Conversely, I think better advice for average Air RB gameplay in the f15 is to NOT let yourself get below ~800 kph or you just start shitting energy away like mad. You keep above that and it flies well and maintains energy, below and your next maneuver leaves you basically dead in the air. Only really want to get slow like that when you know your arent getting 3rd partied
the F15 is really one of the planes that would really benefit from just being able to dump fuel.trying to fight with over 30 minutes of fuel is basically hopeless
@@farawayseal I mean... I personally don't do it, I just take full fuel and bombs and destroy a base or 2 and then fly fast and use my fuel after that cuz dogfighting at the initial stages is suicidal, but once I get to 23 minutes and less I tend to start dogfighting
@@farawayseal There's really no reason not to take all the drop tanks you can carry and take as little internal fuel as you can get away with on all jets with high fuel consumption and access to drop tanks. Suddenly got caught at near full fuel? Ditch the drop tanks and you're instantly a UFO. Need endurance? The drop tanks have negligible empty weight/drag so flight performance will be virtually identical between drop tanks + min fuel vs no drop tanks + max fuel.
Its also very helpful that now you can adjust fuel amount, in my MiG-21MF I can grab more fuel and afterburn until Im at altitude above nearly everyone and just lob missiles
The combat weight of fuel is why I started using the "Fighter Mafia" tactic. Min fuel in plane, max drop tanks. Depending on the battle I'm getting into and the time left, I can drop how ever much I need to get though the battle. Every time, I surprise the enemy by instantly tripping my rate after the first turn.
@@sanmiguel4774 Reading comprehension is just spiraling these days, isn't it? No one said anything about which missile is better. I said AAM-3 is my favorite.
The F-15J was my first (and so far only) F-15 and I can safely say I'm hooked. I can't wait for the F-2 to come out so I can have an excuse to fly this beauty and grind her out.
The F bomb was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. It's been my experience with this jet as well, subsonic speeds it can pull crazy AOA and the engines can stand on themselves.
9:40 you can also keep your flaps in the 'down' position, and the plane will pull them up automatically when gaining speed, and put them down automatically when losing it.
Love this aircraft and have done well with it and I'm confident taking on anything short of F-16s and Gripens. Looking forward to the AAM-4s for the F-15J in the future. I have a real life memory of the F-15J. On November 6th last year, I was fortunate to see a few of these perform at Gifu Air Base (I visited the Gifu-Kakamigahara Air and Space Museum) along with F-2s, T-4s and C-2. This was the highlight of that Japan visit and I recommend visiting that museum if you get the chance.
I am still so torn between prioritizing China or Japan for my next "main" nation after Italy. I'm further along with China, but the Type 10 and F-15J make a REALLY strong case for switching. I LOVE modern JSDF equipment.
Your notes on long landing runs can be mitigated with whats called "aerodynamic braking" aka pull the flaps up on touchdown and pull back. You stop usually 20-40% shorter kills the lift and lets the jet "sit down" on the gear
I know, and people can belly-land (you'd be surprised how often I get asked why I don't "just belly it out"....), but when discussing landing I try to stick to the "conventional" landing style.
I actually land this way. Belly landing is meh and in the rare chance I do have to take back off before I stop. I can. Sometimes you get those players that want to get you when you’re landed
Yeah, I knew right away that I was going to have to include that match in the review. Its not often you get to see an F-16 get energy trapped and gunned out.
Loved this video Tim! F15J is definitely my favorite top tier jet and it seems we share the same reasons for loving it! And thanks for the tips on flying it as I certainly need them LOL! Love your content man
Finally! I've been waiting for this for quite a bit lol Would probably grind it with the FCU + talisman. T-2 Early isn't a bad grinder at all but dealing with all aspects while being flareless gets old real fast.
A tip for flying F15 and F16. Use minimum fuel with 3 drop tanks, if required u can drop de side tanks or all 3 of them and make your plane lighter for dog fight, the remaining fuel being enough for a dog fight and getting back to refuel
Man, Seeing my favorite aircraft getting reviewed by you is so cool.. I really want to get but I don't know how to handle: I have some money left for 5k GEs and i could get the F-4EJ with a Talisman or the F-5E-FCU.. Like, They are both at the same BR.. I can't decide.
7:15 about top tier Air RB is why my German and American tech tree's have stagnated for months, SIM battles are so much slower and enjoyable when you look for targets and engage enemies
with the new update the radar seems to have gotten a change and it can now enter "PD RAM" once it locks onto something, seems to just be TWS, radar missiles cant slave to it, IR can. not idea what it actually is, but it can do that now
What you've said about player count is spot on top tier planes are unplayable due to this issue. Most of the I find myself fight aganist 3-4 people while my teammates are either dead or too far away too do anything. I hope in the next update we get more reduced player count for the matches otherwise it'd be shit show with all active homing missiles being lobbed around..
35min+1 drop tank is the usual set up for me since i always superglue my throttle to max and drop the tank depending on the map or if i went to space yes depending on the weather if it super cloudy/storm and there's no f14s on the enemy team i'd just drop me extra fuel(fuel dropping slower if you go above 7000m i guess even in wep) and go for 25-30 degrees climb until i see the curvature of the earth, jk it usually around 10000m
Weird that NATO planes are limited to 80s tech while RU planes get armaments that they didnt have in serviceable quantities until the last two decades, guess the USSR collapse didnt happen in the WT timeline
God the landing run in this thing is pain. Literally just better to land without the gear cuz it takes waaay too long to stop xD I've had fun with the AAM-3's.... you can get some pretty ridiculous head on locks with them especially on hotter maps vs hot planes... You kinda saw such a thing against that F-16 at 9:10 with the lock at about 6KM. I've had one lock on Sinai against an F-15 at 9KM. Guy had no idea. Combine that with the fact it doesn't care about random flaring.... yep. It's likely to be improved in the future to as things get more advanced and they can more accurately depict what it can do without completely breaking the game. Wouldn't surprise me if the AAM-4 is put in with the next update toned down like the 3 is, but improved over time as the Active's get more advanced as well.
its sad that i already uninstalled the game simply cuz the air battles at high BR is a pain even though im already at the F16 AJ and is probably about a 100k XP away from the jet. maybe ill replay it once they do something with it. i love the plane and its paint schemes for both the F16 and the F15 but man the grind is painful
Bro what? My sparrows work just fine, but then again I really don't touch none of my other tech tree stuff just China at this point as it's got everything I want. But still I've never had trouble with my sparrows when I use them. But again idk how much you play, I don't play too much air anymore.
How do I manage wing rip? I just unlocked it just recently and have died several times to slight low G turns at sub-mach. Also what amount of fuel do you recommend bringing?
Try pulling that same kill at 12.7 games in the F-16C, an F-16 ADF doing BVR while fighting tornados and 2nd gen phantoms in a downtier is nothing that particularly amazing or skillful. Spoiler: you'll clearly get rinsed every time you try to.
No, drop tanks are though, just take as little fuel as you can get away with for dogfighting and drop tanks. Now you have UFO performance on button press. Drop tanks in WT have so little drag it won't make much difference if you take just internal or min internal + drop tanks, it's all about the weight
Hey Tim f4ej jdam guy. Is there any way to get the 40th anniversary 305th skin in war thunder for Xbox GE please. Also when are you making a discord so I can play with you
Tim, my God. You’re going to hell, you swore. Was funny as all hell though and definitely drove the point home, I always tell F-15s not to dogfight above about 580mph. They never listen though, dumbass wallet warriors….
This was, I think, the 4th time I dropped an F bomb in one of my WT reviews. When I *really* want to drive home a particular point, I make it memorable ;-)
That got a hell of a laugh out of me, "you just gotta slow the fuck down". Love it when people whine about X plane not turn fighting as well as Y plane when they made their first turn at mach jesus 😂
I see a lot of people shit on this plane for no reason, I always tell them: Give it a chance, learn the plane then thank me later. They say it's slow, it turns and rolls like crap, which is totally false, they expect the F-15 perform like a freaking F-16 or something. The stock grind isn't as bad as it looks, yes it rolls poorly without booster upgrade but once you unlock it, the plane feels completely different.
So the problem is the meta, not the plane. What an elegant way to tell that a solid turnfighter ends up underperforming in a missile-based meta. Having only 4 IR missiles and no HMD compared to the Gripen and the Su-27 objectively led this first wave of F-15s to a tactical disadvantage. The Gripen rinses the F-15 at almost any relevant feature, the Su-27 can out BVR the F-15 quite easily through supression, and the Mirage 4000 with the revamped Magic 2s now is even more menacing than the F-15 in ARB. That was a decent summary of why the plane stayed at 12.3 and even the M4K got moved up, and slowing "the FUCK down" to do some turnfights its only going to get you killed unless you've waited enough to scavenge through the endgame while being absurdely useless to the team you're in for the longest part of the match.
Wrong the f-15 sucks wing rips all the god dam time it only good as a fast bomber and it has aim-9m. It was awful to fly in game and the radar missile sucks and no HMD. The J-8F is a million times better and it is at 11.7 skip the f-15 or just use it to bomb bases f-14 and f-16 are much much better to fly and have fun. Air RB not ground or sim or arcade I don't know if its better in those modes. Also the gun fucking sucks even with gun CCIP hitting ground targets is difficult and hitting planes is just spray and pray because it handles worse then a B-17.
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"Slow the FUCK down" is the best advice for war thunder top tier players, so simple yet so hard to understand.
Conversely, I think better advice for average Air RB gameplay in the f15 is to NOT let yourself get below ~800 kph or you just start shitting energy away like mad. You keep above that and it flies well and maintains energy, below and your next maneuver leaves you basically dead in the air. Only really want to get slow like that when you know your arent getting 3rd partied
6:20 This japanese paint scheme is gorgeous!
I usually just rock the default skins, but that was one of the few I bought off the marketplace. It's so clean.
It is a bit expensive unfortunetely
305th Squadron, 40th Anniversary, I picked it when it was at 10 bucks or so, nowadays and with a fast check it's at 3 bucks.
the F15 is really one of the planes that would really benefit from just being able to dump fuel.trying to fight with over 30 minutes of fuel is basically hopeless
Best thing you can do rn is get low fuel in the plane it self and get 2 or 3 fuel tanks and drop when you need to dogfight
@@CrustaceanAllergyEnjoyer I was gonna comment the exact same thing, drop tanks are a requirement on any f-15 imo
@@farawayseal I mean... I personally don't do it, I just take full fuel and bombs and destroy a base or 2 and then fly fast and use my fuel after that cuz dogfighting at the initial stages is suicidal, but once I get to 23 minutes and less I tend to start dogfighting
@@farawayseal There's really no reason not to take all the drop tanks you can carry and take as little internal fuel as you can get away with on all jets with high fuel consumption and access to drop tanks. Suddenly got caught at near full fuel? Ditch the drop tanks and you're instantly a UFO. Need endurance? The drop tanks have negligible empty weight/drag so flight performance will be virtually identical between drop tanks + min fuel vs no drop tanks + max fuel.
Its also very helpful that now you can adjust fuel amount, in my MiG-21MF I can grab more fuel and afterburn until Im at altitude above nearly everyone and just lob missiles
Tim I think you need to hear this. Your content is appreciated the quality is just amazing keep putting in that effort keep up that grind
The combat weight of fuel is why I started using the "Fighter Mafia" tactic. Min fuel in plane, max drop tanks. Depending on the battle I'm getting into and the time left, I can drop how ever much I need to get though the battle. Every time, I surprise the enemy by instantly tripping my rate after the first turn.
I fucking hate I know the reference 😂😂 I hate even more that their dumbasses may in fact have a good strategy even if it’s in a game
Thats a totally legit tactic, and something I'm actually planning to discuss in an upcoming video.
God I love the Aggressor skin on the F-15J, its the best skin in the game
5:33 Achievement unlocked: Preach! Being blunt and telling it how it is lol
AAM-3s are my favorite IR missile in the game, and it's not close. Can't wait to see them on platforms like the F-2.
R73 better
@@sanmiguel4774 Reading comprehension is just spiraling these days, isn't it? No one said anything about which missile is better. I said AAM-3 is my favorite.
@@retromecha Saying its not close and preferring the AAM-3 without a reason just makes you look like a bad Weeb though. R-73 is all round better.
@bootlegpete7984 This is a TH-cam comment section. I'm not going to wax poetic to please internet strangers.
I have an opinion, you'll get over it.
@@retromecha Of course you're the ''its my opinion'' safety bubble, like my own comment type... 🤣
Easily my favorite top tier jet. I just wish I had a Starscream user camo for this variant of it.
Woah Tim swearing at like 5:32 ?!?! Quite funny lmao
gotta love papa Tim's reviews
The F-15J was my first (and so far only) F-15 and I can safely say I'm hooked. I can't wait for the F-2 to come out so I can have an excuse to fly this beauty and grind her out.
The F bomb was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. It's been my experience with this jet as well, subsonic speeds it can pull crazy AOA and the engines can stand on themselves.
2:30 this dogfight is an excellent representation on how the F-15's insane thrust can put you toe-to-toe with some of the more "agile" fighters
9:40 you can also keep your flaps in the 'down' position, and the plane will pull them up automatically when gaining speed, and put them down automatically when losing it.
Love this aircraft and have done well with it and I'm confident taking on anything short of F-16s and Gripens. Looking forward to the AAM-4s for the F-15J in the future.
I have a real life memory of the F-15J. On November 6th last year, I was fortunate to see a few of these perform at Gifu Air Base (I visited the Gifu-Kakamigahara Air and Space Museum) along with F-2s, T-4s and C-2. This was the highlight of that Japan visit and I recommend visiting that museum if you get the chance.
I am still so torn between prioritizing China or Japan for my next "main" nation after Italy. I'm further along with China, but the Type 10 and F-15J make a REALLY strong case for switching. I LOVE modern JSDF equipment.
Your notes on long landing runs can be mitigated with whats called "aerodynamic braking" aka pull the flaps up on touchdown and pull back. You stop usually 20-40% shorter kills the lift and lets the jet "sit down" on the gear
I know, and people can belly-land (you'd be surprised how often I get asked why I don't "just belly it out"....), but when discussing landing I try to stick to the "conventional" landing style.
I actually land this way. Belly landing is meh and in the rare chance I do have to take back off before I stop. I can. Sometimes you get those players that want to get you when you’re landed
Great gameplay to start the video with Tim! Those were fun engagements to watch.
Yeah, I knew right away that I was going to have to include that match in the review. Its not often you get to see an F-16 get energy trapped and gunned out.
16 vs 16 really is a disaster for upper tier Air RB.
Ikr? Can't do crap without getting third parties by someone who flew to the side till mid game
Loved this video Tim! F15J is definitely my favorite top tier jet and it seems we share the same reasons for loving it! And thanks for the tips on flying it as I certainly need them LOL! Love your content man
Can't wait to see some more advanced F-15s, great vid.
Hey Tim your videos are great. One of the only review youtubers I watch.
Hell yeah! Been waiting for the F-15J video!
Finally! I've been waiting for this for quite a bit lol
Would probably grind it with the FCU + talisman. T-2 Early isn't a bad grinder at all but dealing with all aspects while being flareless gets old real fast.
A tip for flying F15 and F16. Use minimum fuel with 3 drop tanks, if required u can drop de side tanks or all 3 of them and make your plane lighter for dog fight, the remaining fuel being enough for a dog fight and getting back to refuel
Eating good today 😌💯
Literally! Because this is now my breakfast entertainment haha
Man, Seeing my favorite aircraft getting reviewed by you is so cool..
I really want to get but I don't know how to handle: I have some money left for 5k GEs and i could get the F-4EJ with a Talisman or the F-5E-FCU.. Like, They are both at the same BR.. I can't decide.
Also, I have the F-1 so i could also unlock the AJ
7:15 about top tier Air RB is why my German and American tech tree's have stagnated for months, SIM battles are so much slower and enjoyable when you look for targets and engage enemies
with the new update the radar seems to have gotten a change and it can now enter "PD RAM" once it locks onto something, seems to just be TWS, radar missiles cant slave to it, IR can. not idea what it actually is, but it can do that now
This is the best thing I ever saw.
Another day another Tim's video let's goooo
What you've said about player count is spot on top tier planes are unplayable due to this issue. Most of the I find myself fight aganist 3-4 people while my teammates are either dead or too far away too do anything. I hope in the next update we get more reduced player count for the matches otherwise it'd be shit show with all active homing missiles being lobbed around..
I prefer the f16, and can't wait for the f2, but I'll probably give this one another try now.
35min+1 drop tank is the usual set up for me since i always superglue my throttle to max and drop the tank depending on the map or if i went to space
yes depending on the weather if it super cloudy/storm and there's no f14s on the enemy team i'd just drop me extra fuel(fuel dropping slower if you go above 7000m i guess even in wep) and go for 25-30 degrees climb until i see the curvature of the earth, jk it usually around 10000m
Im pretty damn sure everybody has said this but top tier is just pain
Fuck knows why they havent lowered the player count yet
Hi Tim, great video. I was wondering if you could do the Canberra bombers.
Slowly but surely getting to this thing, F-1 grind sucks tho for the 16 lol
Weird that NATO planes are limited to 80s tech while RU planes get armaments that they didnt have in serviceable quantities until the last two decades, guess the USSR collapse didnt happen in the WT timeline
Surprise! The F-15 is a radius(one circle) fighter! Though it can also rate a few jets also.
God the landing run in this thing is pain. Literally just better to land without the gear cuz it takes waaay too long to stop xD
I've had fun with the AAM-3's.... you can get some pretty ridiculous head on locks with them especially on hotter maps vs hot planes... You kinda saw such a thing against that F-16 at 9:10 with the lock at about 6KM. I've had one lock on Sinai against an F-15 at 9KM. Guy had no idea. Combine that with the fact it doesn't care about random flaring.... yep. It's likely to be improved in the future to as things get more advanced and they can more accurately depict what it can do without completely breaking the game. Wouldn't surprise me if the AAM-4 is put in with the next update toned down like the 3 is, but improved over time as the Active's get more advanced as well.
I swear the Japan grind is a massive pain but those paint jobs are hard to resist...
I'm using the F-5 to research the painful Rank 6 and 7 planes without having to fly them.
@@Halinspark Thai F5 is so fun to play, I play it with the gunpod and win every head-on
AAM-3 is smokeless now? I couldve sworn that they werent, as a sim player this makes me want it even more lol
I do like this jet but Im sticking with the f-16aj so I can continue to abuse premium 11.3 players in the almost always downtier that 12.0 gets
its sad that i already uninstalled the game simply cuz the air battles at high BR is a pain even though im already at the F16 AJ and is probably about a 100k XP away from the jet. maybe ill replay it once they do something with it. i love the plane and its paint schemes for both the F16 and the F15 but man the grind is painful
If only the Sparrows were reliable and didn't aim for Jupiter 50% of the time
Bro what? My sparrows work just fine, but then again I really don't touch none of my other tech tree stuff just China at this point as it's got everything I want. But still I've never had trouble with my sparrows when I use them. But again idk how much you play, I don't play too much air anymore.
@@THECobrabitch I played 23 games today and had issues with the sparrow in 17 of those game. It is a broken missile.
Ping issue
I hope Gaijin will remove the F16 AJ, now the F15 J is in game
LETS GOOOOOO
How do I manage wing rip? I just unlocked it just recently and have died several times to slight low G turns at sub-mach. Also what amount of fuel do you recommend bringing?
Ive been consistently doing 47km hits with 7M's on F-16 ADF, but to be fair, I know how to use them and I dont rush close to the ground like an idiot
Try pulling that same kill at 12.7 games in the F-16C, an F-16 ADF doing BVR while fighting tornados and 2nd gen phantoms in a downtier is nothing that particularly amazing or skillful.
Spoiler: you'll clearly get rinsed every time you try to.
Finally someone said it. F15 is insane, people just play it like idiots. Its kinda insane that it is still 12.3 BR. What a joke.
Is fuel dumping implemented in WT?
Sadly, not yet.
No, drop tanks are though, just take as little fuel as you can get away with for dogfighting and drop tanks. Now you have UFO performance on button press. Drop tanks in WT have so little drag it won't make much difference if you take just internal or min internal + drop tanks, it's all about the weight
"SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!"
Shoot when circle turns red simulator
F/A-18 Hornet review when?
Hopefully this summer
Bruh its not even in the game yet.
@@mab2187 a man can dream
nice video 👍🫡
I don't like the radar, got spoiled with the HMD
Hey Tim f4ej jdam guy. Is there any way to get the 40th anniversary 305th skin in war thunder for Xbox GE please. Also when are you making a discord so I can play with you
Tim, my God. You’re going to hell, you swore. Was funny as all hell though and definitely drove the point home, I always tell F-15s not to dogfight above about 580mph. They never listen though, dumbass wallet warriors….
This was, I think, the 4th time I dropped an F bomb in one of my WT reviews. When I *really* want to drive home a particular point, I make it memorable ;-)
That got a hell of a laugh out of me, "you just gotta slow the fuck down". Love it when people whine about X plane not turn fighting as well as Y plane when they made their first turn at mach jesus 😂
I see a lot of people shit on this plane for no reason, I always tell them: Give it a chance, learn the plane then thank me later.
They say it's slow, it turns and rolls like crap, which is totally false, they expect the F-15 perform like a freaking F-16 or something.
The stock grind isn't as bad as it looks, yes it rolls poorly without booster upgrade but once you unlock it, the plane feels completely different.
Not like it’s bar none the best F-15 in the game or anything…
So the problem is the meta, not the plane.
What an elegant way to tell that a solid turnfighter ends up underperforming in a missile-based meta. Having only 4 IR missiles and no HMD compared to the Gripen and the Su-27 objectively led this first wave of F-15s to a tactical disadvantage. The Gripen rinses the F-15 at almost any relevant feature, the Su-27 can out BVR the F-15 quite easily through supression, and the Mirage 4000 with the revamped Magic 2s now is even more menacing than the F-15 in ARB.
That was a decent summary of why the plane stayed at 12.3 and even the M4K got moved up, and slowing "the FUCK down" to do some turnfights its only going to get you killed unless you've waited enough to scavenge through the endgame while being absurdely useless to the team you're in for the longest part of the match.
i am so confused am i the only one whos getting 290 rp per kill on the f15j???
first
Wrong the f-15 sucks wing rips all the god dam time it only good as a fast bomber and it has aim-9m. It was awful to fly in game and the radar missile sucks and no HMD. The J-8F is a million times better and it is at 11.7 skip the f-15 or just use it to bomb bases f-14 and f-16 are much much better to fly and have fun. Air RB not ground or sim or arcade I don't know if its better in those modes.
Also the gun fucking sucks even with gun CCIP hitting ground targets is difficult and hitting planes is just spray and pray because it handles worse then a B-17.
Lol skill issue