The survivors should never call Sheila a clown because she was no clown she was a murderer 👺 Clowns are characters who make children and adults as well feel Happy clowns inter rooms to have for ppl to have fun they're not the type of characters to cause harm and sadness in ppls lives
I am from the city where she was arrested. Met her countless times!! The restaurant they owned is still open, just under new owners. What's even crazier is it's a small town & there have been multiple murders & missing women in the past 5 years 😢
He probably has a lifetime of guilt over both not catching up, and saying it was a man in the clown suit, which initially ruled her out as a suspect. Sad.
Her son just gave up. There is no way in hell I would have agreed to the plea deal. Even if she got off I’d rather go down fighting. You get the results you put in. Gross injustice.
The fact that Sheila and Michael Warren went off to live their lives like nothing happened makes my blood boil. My heart truly breaks for Joe. At least some justice is served.
i have thought the same because if the husband is really concern to the dead wife, he will help for her justice even he have moved on after years. Concern and love would still be there but they acted fishy like any dog just went off and they lived happily ever after.
They were never free. Watching these episodes I learned that killers on the loose are constantly in fear of being arrested and for this case, you can tell by the fact that she had to change her name and her hair. In addition, the guilty comes to haunt them as well, that's why some decide to turn themselves in or end their life years after the fact. Mental instability is another form of torture.
It's so creepy how different they looked a decade later, I would have never recognized them. They were like two completely different and new people... Moving somewhere where nobody knew them so they could continue their corrupt lives without anyone holding them accountable. Her being an aggressive boss and molesting her workers does make sense. The two fraudsters/killers remained callous throughout their lives.
Maybe "the law" gives them freedom, but God requires justice for the blood that was shed. Making a deal to escape justice, is abhorrent to a Holy God. I would not want to be in her shoes on her appointed day.
Justice wasn't served. Sheila and Michael Warren get to live comfortably at the expense of Marlene 's death and Joe's misery. What is wrong with the court system!?
Even if she did the evidence was weak, if I was a juror there is no way I would have convict her, because look at the evidence it was trash. At the end of the day it's all about the evidence, yes it seems like she did it. We could argue that for sure but the evidence don't agree
It is what you can prove. There was not enough evidence to convince dumb *ss jurors that she was guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT! It isn't what you know, but what you can prove. It is sickening, as well as infuriating, but that's how our justice system is set up.
She is guilty. He is guilty. And that poor woman & her son received no justice. Plus, 2 murderers get to live and do so as free people. It’s despicable.
They should’ve bugged the Warrens house because it would be interesting to see what’s said between the couple when she gets out… like how he was lucky to get away with it etc🤔
I think the biggest injustice was from the prosecution. Yeah it did seem the defense attorney was shady but he made reasonable points on the hair and the evidence wasn’t properly stored and was contaminated
That evil couple not only killed Marlene, but Joe as well. Had his mother not been murdered, he would most likely remain a happy and normal (handsome) man that he used to be. It is heart-breaking to see a fine young man destroyed in this way.
Maybe, maybe not. At the very least, like most defense attorneys, I think he just wants to get paid and have his firm in the spotlight. Their clients are NEVER guilty....
yeah narcissist is too repetitive of a word/character/behaviour in every crime I watched. it's too annoying sometimes if it doesn't fit that word with someone.
Although…I have seen many delusional people go after what they want and most of the time they get it! That’s why many of them achieve financial success in this lifetime.
Pleads guilty and gets a few years behind bars WHILE those who were actually INNOCENT spent their entire lives behind bars for a crime they didn’t commit. Freakin unreal!
If someone makes a plea deal, they shouldn't be allowed to turn around and say that they just said they were guilty because of a deal. The deal should be revoked.
@@jimwertheryes it is. I was 23 when I lost my mother and it caused a downward spiral in my life. Without your mother the one who has your back life is extremely tough. Those who haven't experienced it can't even imagine the toll it takes on you. I feel so bad for Joe to even witness that first hand.
@@sandrabentley8111Pienuts, compared to what they stole from her, the victim and Left the son with scares and lifetime trauma 😢 😢, very sad. I feel terribly sorry for Joe. It breaks my heart.
what i really dont understand, why not just leaving the wife than killing because of the existing affair? for what? if the husband doesnt love the wife anymore then leave. Geez!
@@BFdEutschLaNdunfortunately people let anger and greed get the best of them. I watched my brother go through an awful divorce. 3 kids involved from a previous marriage that weren’t his, and he truly wanted to destroy their lives because he hated his wife so much. He just wouldn’t walk away. He eventually ended up in jail for domestic violence. We tried everything to get them to split up amicably but he wouldn’t leave. And she wouldn’t leave. Despite them both having the financial means to leave each other. They just wouldn’t. They didn’t want to split assets and give each other anything. They let it get so bad that my husband had to get the cops involved. It was awful all the way around. My brother has been out of jail for years now. They’re divorced and haven’t spoken in years. But the hate in his voice when he speaks about her is palpable. Vengeance and anger will drive some people to commit unspeakable acts against their wives or husbands. Sometimes their emotions won’t let them walk away.
gosh! the fact that those two got married and lived a life to the fullest, no guilt! wow!! sad for Joe, glad he is is sober and got his life back on track! RIP Marlene!
this is such a sad story i feel bad for the gentleman who lost his mother and years later you still can see the sadness in his face when he talks about it. it must of been so traumatic to see that and not be able to do anything. imagine being 21 and lose your mother to such a horrific crime, my sympaty goes to Joe and memory of his mother. may he find peace in this case at last.
@@christheghostwriterThank you, Christine, for correcting horrendous English grammar.....l am an English teacher and have to cringe many times whilst reading comments. Is English grammar still taught in schools in America???
@@Faristol7 the one that bugs me the most, and is spreading like a cancer, is the phrase "based off of." It's like nails on a chalkboard. Things are based ON other things. That's why movies inspired by real life don't begin with "based off of a true story." Whenever I hear someone say "based off of," my estimation of their intellect drops precipitously
@@christheghostwriter I was just studying words like that and the prepositions that follow with one of my pupils - 'on' appeared in the sentence, and there were four options to put in the gap in front of it. 'Based' was the correct option....😉 My student got it right, and she's Spanish..😂
Oh come on. There were only two people that wanted her out of the way. The husband so he could get all the money and have his hunny and the nasty Shelia who wanted the husband and lifestyle. It wasnt random.
My heart goes out to the son, Joe. He has suffered so much, and for so long. I pray he can find a peace now that some justice has been served. I have no doubt that 'Sheila' is the killer. I suspect that her husband was involved in some way as well.
the suspect atty was very clever but not so for me because he was questioning the evidences which were chaos, opened and so on (not reliable anymore as evidence) but even so, why would the dna matched Still to his client? Because if the evidences were not reliable anymore, the dna should have changed. - please correct me of my judgment if i am wrong
Lol if the car was on the lot that she worked then it means nothing. If a person has a viable excuse as to why one single strand of hair is in a get away like working on the lot where the car was being sold. Chain of custody has been broken so anyone and their mother could have put the hair in there we don’t know bc it’s cross contaminated and chain of custody has been broken. I’m all for Justice. Worked for a great defense attorney for many,many years. I LOVE when Justice is served but I also LOVE the burden of proof the state has which is beyond a reasonable doubt. This means no reasonable person would have any doubt (not one ppl rly misunderstand this) that the suspect committed said crime. Lots of ppl base their opinions on true crime off emotion. You cannot do that. You have to be fair and impartial and let the evidence tell you the story. They have hair and some synthetic fibers. Those fibers from an orange wig would likely match any orange clown wig due to the fact that they are mass produced. There’s too many holes in this case. Yes it sounds good and likely that she would have done it being his mistress but if the evidence doesn’t show that without a single doubt then their shouldn’t be a guilty verdict. Yet there usually is. So many have been wrongly accused, convicted and spent their lives in prison for nothing besides the fact that most of these investigators are more concerned with obtaining a guilty verdict rather than convicted an actual killer. Scary how so many get away with it and still walking the streets why innocents are in prison.
This is a heart breaking case. No justice was done here. I’m glad Joe is able to make peace with it and move on, but I am furious those people lived so many years in marital bliss with just a hiccup of a few years in prison. I hope they are forced to live as hermits for the rest of their lives, shunned by whatever community they decide to settle in.
her eyes are scary dark.....husband never charged, mew wife gets less than ten years. they got away with with killing a mother in front of her child. very sad
She was/is probably one of those perfectly molded "ride or die" women who do anything for her guy. This is just like recent episode with the mother getting shot after dropping her son at the day care. Except she survived. Poor Marlene😔
They didn't care about anyone. They were cheating people. He probably hid money away before he went to prison. He's a con artist. And they sure didn't care what they did to her son. If you ever got kids and a step-dad put a will or life insurance in their name
I hate these kinds of outcomes. This evil chick & her evil husband killed his ex-wife and now get to chill. Public vilification is not enough of a punishment. There was no justice in this case.
Well if they have any conscience whatsoever they still have to live with the guilt of what they did, that being said absolutely both of them should have spent the rest of their lives in prison!
@@tamitribbiani7907 Most people like that do not have a guilty conscience. They moved on like nothing. I think she thinks about wishing she never got caught and that is it.
Their cold case unit should have taken better care of their evidence. No excuses. That poor lady was assassinated point blank at her front door. She and her loved ones deserve meaningful justice.
At least it wasn't thrown out. That's the way they kept evidence back 30yrs ago. It was tested when it was new. The attorney is just clouding up the case. And by your response it's working
They both should be in prison for the rest of their lives. You’ve got people serving more time for selling weed and this woman violently, brutally, and premeditatedly murdered another woman and “is expected to be home in 16 to 18 months”😐
@damarisobonyo677 If that doesn't happen there's still the one and only supreme Judge, and, from the looks of it, neither of the two perps knows Christ as their divine Attorney.
The whole set up of flowers and balloons ("you're the greatest!") in addition to the victim being shot in the mouth seemed so extremely spiteful that it immediately made me think the perpetrator is female. And so it was. What a frustrating end to the case, however. That waste of human garbage called Sheila should've been locked under the jail forever - her grinning in court was distasteful to the max. Everybody knows what she and her loser husband have been up to, however. I hope they're shunned for life.
I have no doubt that she is 100% guilty and I hate that she didn’t spend the rest of her life in prison. I couldn’t stand her defense attorney. Her poor son.
Joe Ahrens is a real hero here, and this remade version of his story is great. I remember so clearly the words from the first show in 2018, about how the stepfather took all of his mother's assets: "A grieving 21 year old Joe was no match for his used car salesman step father." Injustice weighs on our heart like a heavy physical presence, I know from my own family of origin issues. It's good to see Joe come out the other side and to see some kind of justice for his mother, and him. I have watched the origjnal show many times, because it is so powerful and I can relate. Keeping his story alive is another form of justice because while the killers might have gotten off light, they still have to live with the truth of what they did and that is a weight far greater than any other.
How disgusting it is to see those who defend criminals and murderers knowing that they are guilty without taking the victims and the victims' families into consideration
defence lawyers are an essential part of the justice system, everybody is entitled to legal representation. The minute you say someone accused deserves no rights, things get very dangerous. They also help to make sure that evidence stands up to scrutiny. However, like any group of people, some lawyers are terrible human beings
We need defense attorneys to have a fair system. There are plenty of people who are charged for crimes that did not do them. And those that are guilty are still entitles to defense in a fair and balanced system. you are thinking with emotion and not logic. We cant have emotion involved in making the rules on how we put people behind bars for their life or give them the death penalty. It has to be fact based.
I hear ya, but, there's this one little thing🤔, she had TWO choices and she wasn't sure which one it was, 13:00 on. If she was sure, it would've went different💯
The law says it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt but how often is it actually proven beyond a reasonable dout? I mean i think the jury would have convicted her.
Eye witnesses are not very reliable, but I think there is enough hard evidence here and with all the other clues if you put everything together she 100% did it
That defense attorney has a lot of nerve saying the investigation was poorly handled only for his client to plead guilty. A lot of these defense attorneys strike me as some of the most slimy vile people on this planet.
And to think this defense attorney was paid for by the victim's money! It was her business, she was successful. Her poor son probably didn't receive a penny.
I was locked up in Abingdon VA when Shelia was brought in after they caught her. She would not say anything about why she was there, gave a fake last name, till we found it out later that night when it was on the local news. After that all she would say is that she did not do it and that she really didn't even know "that woman". She had absolutely no remorse because she totally had convinced herself she wasn't guilty. She had this total indifference to the whole thing other than she was still obsessed with Michael. She talked nonstop about him being a "saint". She was delusional because she really thought Florida was going to let it go and she wouldn't be extradited. She's cold hearted imo.
Joe if you are reading these messages, I'm so sorry for your loss of your mum. I can't imagine the pain you have carried the last 33 years. I will be praying for you, I am glad you have fond memories of your mum, those are something they can never take away from you. I pray you continue to find peace and comfort in your life. God bless you 🙏💙🙏
Why wasn’t the woman who sold the clown costume talked about more? That seems pretty solid! Also did she return the costume??? And her comment big brown eyes gave me chills it’s so obvious!
The son describing what it felt to see his mother being brutally, fatally attacked a part of me ached for him 😔 My mother passed from natural causes and it felt like a piece of me died too, so I can only imagine what he felt witnessing what he saw
Only her husband and his lover which later we found out that they got married really fast! If they have arms, if they ever get into a quarrel, maybe they will appear in the news...
Correct . i understand when they do that during an active case but here he denied that she is guilty even after she pleaded guilty. Could have just kept his mouth shut
Poor Joe…. You can tell he loved his mom so much… i hope he finds peace one day even though I know the pain will never go away… Sheila and her x should of rotten in prison …12 years that’s a joke…. They give more to people that get caught with drugs..the fact that her lawyer said she goes to Tennessee and will live her life” boiled my blood. Marlene and her son don’t get to live their lives the way they deserved… RIP Marlene
My heart goes out to Joe, a young man needs his parents and to have one taken so brutally and selfishly is beyond painful. He saw it happen, I can’t imagine. I wish him many years of health and peace. 🙏
So, in one segment, the defense attorney says there's no way she would be convicted based on their botched investigations, bad chain of custody with the evidence and allegedly not pursuing other potential suspects, yet cops to a plea deal because it would be playing Russian roulette? Sounds to me like he wasn't all that convinced of his client's innocence
Everytime I see these old parents grieving the loss of their child, my heart struggles 💔 for them. This world is full of pain. She killed her. When she asked if they are gonna arrest her husband too, to me it was a clear indication she was ready to talk if they pressed her harder!
So the staff heard rumors, she murdered Marlene and wore a clown custome, where did they get the information from? That sentence isn't fair, she should've got life in prison!
Sometimes prosecuters should take their chances.They should've prosecuted her back at the beginning.Motive,testimony of the clothing and the flower place,the fiber in the car that belongs to the dealership were a lot more than evidence in other cases where suspects were convicted on similar cases.The strongest issue for juries is always the motive.
@maanmohammad8459 For a case in that era there was enough evidence - however circumstancial some of it might have been - to try the case. They failed miserably but so did the investigators.
Justice WAS NOT served!! That's terrible her son and family did not really get closure.. Sheila, "No, I didn't do it, ya I did do it, to no I didn't do it!?" Really? I hope Sheila and that useless husband rot in hell for what they did!!
Justice can't be served in a LEGAL SYSTEM. You hear LEGAL and you think its the same as JUSTICE. It is not. The Legal system isnt about Truth or JUSTICE. Its a BUSINESS. Many people are employed in a LEGAL SYSTEM. Prisons are A HUGE BUSINESS.
Yes, there is a point to being a caring person, because of the young children that can be taught to be caring--there's still hope for a better world. Nasty people always get a comeuppance. These two murderers are getting old and will probably end up receiving the "care" of a Nurse Ratched.
Such a letdown!!! She deserves life!!! Ridiculous!!!! Defense attorneys do not have to raise their hand and swear to tell the truth!! Always remember that!!! How can you go plead guilty and take responsibility? Supposedly for your crime, but then still proclaim your innocence? How does that work? That's not remorse, which she supposed to show for her crime.... #Pathetic #Ridiculous #NoJusticeHere #GetItTogetherProsecutors
He needs to bring a civil suit - for pain and suffering - citing his life changes - and recoup what was stolen from his mom. Not to get it- but to take it away from the people who PROFITED from murdering his mom!
Remember guys, don't be too all-American, don't be the life of the party, don't light up a room and keep your shirt on your back. Follow this advice and you'll live longer.☑
why dont they check the shoes or boots of the clown, for sure, the height changes when it uses thicker mascot shoes. I mean not accurate anymore with the height of the suspect
my heart goes out to the son.... props to him for crawlingmhimself out of the hole or substance abuse and live his life. i cant fathom how the husband cound immediately marry shiela after he got out
Astounding to marry a murderer, knowing full well they are so cold-blooded. I imagine you'd feel you could never "cross" them, never say no, never disagree with them . . .
In a lot of these cases the ones murdered always tell someone “if something happens to me, so and so did it” logic tells me to get away from so and so as soon as possible 🤷🏾♂️
I live in Kingsport, Tn. Where the restaurant still operates, The Purple Cow. I recall one day in 1999, my husband and I were riding our motorcycles. We'd pulled over at that parking lot to rest a minute and stretch our legs. A couple were sitting quietly by their bike. We spoke to them about riding. The skinny and frail looking dark haired woman sort of coward by the man's left side. We were standing at his right side. We talked about riding as he said that she has a bike also, yet preferred to ride with him. He introduced them as Michael and Debbie...we laughed because that is our first name also. He said that they run The Purple Cow.. The woman didn't speak or be social. I felt like we were intruding. I wasn't comfortable by her strange quietness. She was definantly paranoid about something or extremely shy. He said that they work all week and that Sunday is their only day off.. They left afterwards, and I told my husband that that was strange conversation. We watched them get on the bike and leave toward the Virginia line. (Virginia is only 2 miles from this area.) We hadn't thought anymore about this until we heard about the crime. I freaked out when they said that the woman named Sheila was going by Debbie. We knew we had just met the 2 people that murdered his wife in a clown suit. It seems that her dissociative personality was paranoia after the fact. Now I will never forget how talkative the man was, while the woman, pretty much curled up next to him and didn't speak. 😮
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Tq for the music😊.
The survivors should never call Sheila a clown because she was no clown she was a murderer 👺 Clowns are characters who make children and adults as well feel Happy clowns inter rooms to have for ppl to have fun they're not the type of characters to cause harm and sadness in ppls lives
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An episode on Summer Wells ❤
Can you PLEASE tell me where you got the drawing of the clown @ 0:24
They killed her, took all her assets and left her son a mess. Evil.
And took all his mom's money and lived a life of ease & privilege but left Joe nothing but despair. Disgusting
I hope Joe sues them for wrongful death.
I am from the city where she was arrested. Met her countless times!! The restaurant they owned is still open, just under new owners.
What's even crazier is it's a small town & there have been multiple murders & missing women in the past 5 years 😢
Does her husband still live there? @@PeachShortcake_
@@PeachShortcake_ Hey, it's your story.
I feel so sad for her son. He chased the car with a broken foot😢
This is for her son: you’re an amazing son
Agree. God bless Joe.
Well said. Glad maybe he got a little closure.
He probably has a lifetime of guilt over both not catching up, and saying it was a man in the clown suit, which initially ruled her out as a suspect. Sad.
Her son just gave up. There is no way in hell I would have agreed to the plea deal. Even if she got off I’d rather go down fighting. You get the results you put in. Gross injustice.
Definitely! Poor guy 😢
"Well, are you going to arrest him too?"
Says it all.
Joe and Marlene's mom are so sweet. She broke my heart when she said "I don't hate clowns, I just hate one."
The fact that Sheila and Michael Warren went off to live their lives like nothing happened makes my blood boil. My heart truly breaks for Joe. At least some justice is served.
i have thought the same because if the husband is really concern to the dead wife, he will help for her justice even he have moved on after years. Concern and love would still be there but they acted fishy like any dog just went off and they lived happily ever after.
They were never free. Watching these episodes I learned that killers on the loose are constantly in fear of being arrested and for this case, you can tell by the fact that she had to change her name and her hair. In addition, the guilty comes to haunt them as well, that's why some decide to turn themselves in or end their life years after the fact. Mental instability is another form of torture.
It's so creepy how different they looked a decade later, I would have never recognized them. They were like two completely different and new people... Moving somewhere where nobody knew them so they could continue their corrupt lives without anyone holding them accountable. Her being an aggressive boss and molesting her workers does make sense. The two fraudsters/killers remained callous throughout their lives.
Yup, thinking the same while watching this.
Maybe "the law" gives them freedom, but God requires justice for the blood that was shed. Making a deal to escape justice, is abhorrent to a Holy God. I would not want to be in her shoes on her appointed day.
Justice wasn't served. Sheila and Michael Warren get to live comfortably at the expense of Marlene 's death and Joe's misery. What is wrong with the court system!?
Im so mad. Not fair at all
It is very unfair but as they said they just couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Sheila killed her so they took what they could.
Even if she did the evidence was weak, if I was a juror there is no way I would have convict her, because look at the evidence it was trash. At the end of the day it's all about the evidence, yes it seems like she did it. We could argue that for sure but the evidence don't agree
It is what you can prove. There was not enough evidence to convince dumb *ss jurors that she was guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT! It isn't what you know, but what you can prove. It is sickening, as well as infuriating, but that's how our justice system is set up.
They’ll meet their Maker.
Shiela didn’t have to buy a costume to be a clown!
Best comment! 💯
she's a murderer, not a clown.
makes you wonder what would have happened if the store owner said, nope, I'm closed, go away.
She is guilty. He is guilty. And that poor woman & her son received no justice. Plus, 2 murderers get to live and do so as free people. It’s despicable.
Wheels of natural justice move slowly, but move they do!
Exactly! Who tipped off the convicted murderer mistress of the victim's love for clowns? Gee I wonder who that could have been?
They should’ve bugged the Warrens house because it would be interesting to see what’s said between the couple when she gets out… like how he was lucky to get away with it etc🤔
I’m sorry to Joe…he is the one who suffered the most💔
I hope he finds the peace we all deserve
So sorry for Joe too.. what unbelievable pain he’s been through.. I can only imagine.🙏🏻😞
@@allipat401
His trauma is written all over his face. I sincerely just want to give him a tight, comforting hug right now. 😔
@allipat401 I feel terribly sorry for Joe. These two killed his mum, lived large with her assets, leaving the poor guy in misery 😢
And so with his grandma.
The fact that she was murders by someone in a clown outfit goes to show it was someone that knew her closely
She was _murdered..._
Exactly my thought. This is the biggest clue that it was someone who knew her at a personal level and therefore places two people in the spotlight!
Yep. I wouldn’t open my door to one, can’t stand the things.
I swear I was saying the same thing, like when will they acknowledge the obvious
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She is guilty and got the deal of a lifetime. So sad for Marlene and her son.
And also the late grandmother/mother. Too many disgusting injustices in this case.
I think the biggest injustice was from the prosecution. Yeah it did seem the defense attorney was shady but he made reasonable points on the hair and the evidence wasn’t properly stored and was contaminated
The ex-husband is guilty too. He organised it all.
@@Tuturial464
The prosecution did nothing wrong
So glad no one here thinks she is innocent!!
That evil couple not only killed Marlene, but Joe as well. Had his mother not been murdered, he would most likely remain a happy and normal (handsome) man that he used to be. It is heart-breaking to see a fine young man destroyed in this way.
My heart breaks for Joe. I broke out in tears when he thanked his mom for showing him how to love and be peaceful. 😭
Her lawyer was a straight up narcissist. Grandiose and delusional.
There are defense attorneys who do a good job in providing balance to the legal system. This pile of garbage wasn’t one of those attorneys.
Maybe, maybe not.
At the very least, like most defense attorneys, I think he just wants to get paid and have his firm in the spotlight.
Their clients are NEVER guilty....
Yeah and who the hell is he to say that the police and investigators did such a poor job? They did what they could do for 1990…
yeah narcissist is too repetitive of a word/character/behaviour in every crime I watched. it's too annoying sometimes if it doesn't fit that word with someone.
Although…I have seen many delusional people go after what they want and most of the time they get it! That’s why many of them achieve financial success in this lifetime.
Pleads guilty and gets a few years behind bars WHILE those who were actually INNOCENT spent their entire lives behind bars for a crime they didn’t commit. Freakin unreal!
Freakn unrealistic...I get you..I agree...No flipping justice...Where is the rest in peace???
Backwards, I agree!!
I understand why though the evidence was too weak, if I was a juror they is no way I would have convict her
There was plausibility and there was incompetence from the prosecution
Welcome to America 😒
If someone makes a plea deal, they shouldn't be allowed to turn around and say that they just said they were guilty because of a deal. The deal should be revoked.
Yes! I agree, and was thinking the same thing. Because now she has committed perjury. Can't have it both ways!
I was thinking the same! how can the defence make such a comment?
I'm glad Joe got out of his addiction spiral. Can't imagine experiencing something so traumatic at such a young age
Have you met him? Stop
21 isn't _that_ young
@@jimwertheryes it is. I was 23 when I lost my mother and it caused a downward spiral in my life. Without your mother the one who has your back life is extremely tough. Those who haven't experienced it can't even imagine the toll it takes on you. I feel so bad for Joe to even witness that first hand.
@jimwerther753 it's very young to lose your mother.
@jimwerther Imagine watching your mom murdered right in front of you. You might be messed up too regardless of age.
Defense attorney so sure she’s innocent but takes the deal. Brilliant.
Yeah he's a piece of work.
And paid for with the victim's money
@@sandrabentley8111Pienuts, compared to what they stole from her, the victim and
Left the son with scares and lifetime trauma 😢 😢, very sad. I feel terribly sorry for Joe.
It breaks my heart.
I call them LIE-AWYERS
Dela Ward reminds me of a turkey....
Who else is completely addicted to this show?? As soon as my wife hears the violin intro song used on most episodes she knows what time it is lol
Me lol
I’ve just started watching 48 hours, and I’m hooked.
Why wasn't th husband ever charged? He was the whole reason she died!! Infidelity 😡
what i really dont understand, why not just leaving the wife than killing because of the existing affair? for what?
if the husband doesnt love the wife anymore then leave. Geez!
@@BFdEutschLaNdunfortunately people let anger and greed get the best of them. I watched my brother go through an awful divorce. 3 kids involved from a previous marriage that weren’t his, and he truly wanted to destroy their lives because he hated his wife so much.
He just wouldn’t walk away. He eventually ended up in jail for domestic violence. We tried everything to get them to split up amicably but he wouldn’t leave. And she wouldn’t leave. Despite them both having the financial means to leave each other. They just wouldn’t. They didn’t want to split assets and give each other anything. They let it get so bad that my husband had to get the cops involved. It was awful all the way around.
My brother has been out of jail for years now. They’re divorced and haven’t spoken in years. But the hate in his voice when he speaks about her is palpable. Vengeance and anger will drive some people to commit unspeakable acts against their wives or husbands. Sometimes their emotions won’t let them walk away.
12 years?? What a slap in the face, disgusting.
She 100% did it. She rat herself out while getting arrested.
And the husband was involved too, they planned it together
Good point.
@@ggurks For sure but there is no way to prove it after all this years.
@@ggurksof course
Heartbreaking! I hope people never let both of the murderers have any peace.
gosh! the fact that those two got married and lived a life to the fullest, no guilt! wow!! sad for Joe, glad he is is sober and got his life back on track! RIP Marlene!
48 Hours is always done so professionally. Thank you for respecting the victims. ❤
This case demonstrates, once again, that our legal system is too soft on crime.
You think the US is soft. Look at European sentences.
That's an understatement
@@DannyBoy777777or South America. Even worse.
Yep. It's like they want to keep seeing these crimes just for the sake of going through the ritual of court proceedings, nothing more.
So awful.
If they didn't do it this way, she may have got NOTHING. They needed better Evidence too secure the sentence.
this is such a sad story i feel bad for the gentleman who lost his mother and years later you still can see the sadness in his face when he talks about it. it must of been so traumatic to see that and not be able to do anything. imagine being 21 and lose your mother to such a horrific crime, my sympaty goes to Joe and memory of his mother. may he find peace in this case at last.
Must HAVE been.
There's no such thing as "Must of been."
Hope that helps.
@@christheghostwriterwow.
@@christheghostwriterThank you, Christine, for correcting horrendous English grammar.....l am an English teacher and have to cringe many times whilst reading comments. Is English grammar still taught in schools in America???
@@Faristol7 the one that bugs me the most, and is spreading like a cancer, is the phrase "based off of." It's like nails on a chalkboard. Things are based ON other things. That's why movies inspired by real life don't begin with "based off of a true story." Whenever I hear someone say "based off of," my estimation of their intellect drops precipitously
@@christheghostwriter I was just studying words like that and the prepositions that follow with one of my pupils - 'on' appeared in the sentence, and there were four options to put in the gap in front of it. 'Based' was the correct option....😉 My student got it right, and she's Spanish..😂
Oh come on. There were only two people that wanted her out of the way. The husband so he could get all the money and have his hunny and the nasty Shelia who wanted the husband and lifestyle. It wasnt random.
No shyt
Every single thing about this is disturbing. EVERY. SINGLE. THING. Wishing Joe peace and love and forgiveness for what those two did. Disgusting.
My heart goes out to the son, Joe. He has suffered so much, and for so long. I pray he can find a peace now that some justice has been served. I have no doubt that 'Sheila' is the killer. I suspect that her husband was involved in some way as well.
Ofcourse, it's pretty clear Sheila did not come up with the 🤡costume idea randomly
the suspect atty was very clever but not so for me because he was questioning the evidences which were chaos, opened and so on (not reliable anymore as evidence) but even so, why would the dna matched Still to his client? Because if the evidences were not reliable anymore, the dna should have changed. - please correct me of my judgment if i am wrong
Lol if the car was on the lot that she worked then it means nothing. If a person has a viable excuse as to why one single strand of hair is in a get away like working on the lot where the car was being sold. Chain of custody has been broken so anyone and their mother could have put the hair in there we don’t know bc it’s cross contaminated and chain of custody has been broken. I’m all for Justice. Worked for a great defense attorney for many,many years. I LOVE when Justice is served but I also LOVE the burden of proof the state has which is beyond a reasonable doubt. This means no reasonable person would have any doubt (not one ppl rly misunderstand this) that the suspect committed said crime. Lots of ppl base their opinions on true crime off emotion. You cannot do that. You have to be fair and impartial and let the evidence tell you the story. They have hair and some synthetic fibers. Those fibers from an orange wig would likely match any orange clown wig due to the fact that they are mass produced. There’s too many holes in this case. Yes it sounds good and likely that she would have done it being his mistress but if the evidence doesn’t show that without a single doubt then their shouldn’t be a guilty verdict. Yet there usually is. So many have been wrongly accused, convicted and spent their lives in prison for nothing besides the fact that most of these investigators are more concerned with obtaining a guilty verdict rather than convicted an actual killer. Scary how so many get away with it and still walking the streets why innocents are in prison.
I wish Joe could’ve sued him or her for wrongful death. After all they went on to enjoy the fruits of Joe’s mother labor.
@@Mikael20245it’s plausible after she gets out of prison, she can be sued
This is a heart breaking case. No justice was done here. I’m glad Joe is able to make peace with it and move on, but I am furious those people lived so many years in marital bliss with just a hiccup of a few years in prison. I hope they are forced to live as hermits for the rest of their lives, shunned by whatever community they decide to settle in.
her eyes are scary dark.....husband never charged, mew wife gets less than ten years. they got away with with killing a mother in front of her child. very sad
She was/is probably one of those perfectly molded "ride or die" women who do anything for her guy.
This is just like recent episode with the mother getting shot after dropping her son at the day care.
Except she survived.
Poor Marlene😔
Well said
They didn't care about anyone. They were cheating people. He probably hid money away before he went to prison. He's a con artist. And they sure didn't care what they did to her son. If you ever got kids and a step-dad put a will or life insurance in their name
I hate these kinds of outcomes. This evil chick & her evil husband killed his ex-wife and now get to chill. Public vilification is not enough of a punishment. There was no justice in this case.
Well if they have any conscience whatsoever they still have to live with the guilt of what they did, that being said absolutely both of them should have spent the rest of their lives in prison!
@@tamitribbiani7907 Most people like that do not have a guilty conscience. They moved on like nothing. I think she thinks about wishing she never got caught and that is it.
Marlene was his wife at the time, not ex wife. Sheila was his evil mistress that murdered his wife.
@@kalasmith9472 Correct. My typo.
Their cold case unit should have taken better care of their evidence. No excuses. That poor lady was assassinated point blank at her front door. She and her loved ones deserve meaningful justice.
True...i want to hate on the lawyer...but he was just holding them accountable
When they face GOD they'll have no defense attorney to speak on their behalf....
@@trustinJesus_only-_ Exactly!!! They'd better look to that.....
At least it wasn't thrown out. That's the way they kept evidence back 30yrs ago. It was tested when it was new. The attorney is just clouding up the case. And by your response it's working
I wish I could give Joe a big hug. This ruined his life more than anyone else’s. So sad. Justice was not done in this case at all
They both should be in prison for the rest of their lives. You’ve got people serving more time for selling weed and this woman violently, brutally, and premeditatedly murdered another woman and “is expected to be home in 16 to 18 months”😐
Exactly what I was thinking!
Do you have proof?that’s usually how the world works
@@Tuturial464 that’s not how that works, like at all. you shouldn’t have people serving the same amount or more time than murderers for selling weed.
Someone is out there waiting for her with a gun 😂
@damarisobonyo677
If that doesn't happen there's still the one and only supreme Judge, and, from the looks of it, neither of the two perps knows Christ as their divine Attorney.
Joe has aged prematurely...I feel so sorry for him!!!! May Marlene RIP!!!! Her murderers WILL receive their just dues!!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Yeah, her son deserves a good life.
I saw that too. He looks like he is in the late 60s yet he is only in his mid fifties
I was so confused about how he seemed so old but was talking about an event from the 90s. It’s amazing what stress can do to someone
Alcohol
@Cathomis
Drugs.
The whole set up of flowers and balloons ("you're the greatest!") in addition to the victim being shot in the mouth seemed so extremely spiteful that it immediately made me think the perpetrator is female. And so it was. What a frustrating end to the case, however. That waste of human garbage called Sheila should've been locked under the jail forever - her grinning in court was distasteful to the max. Everybody knows what she and her loser husband have been up to, however. I hope they're shunned for life.
She reminds me so much of Stephanie Lazarus
I totally agree but don’t think psychopaths care about being shunned at all
I have no doubt that she is 100% guilty and I hate that she didn’t spend the rest of her life in prison. I couldn’t stand her defense attorney. Her poor son.
Joe Ahrens is a real hero here, and this remade version of his story is great. I remember so clearly the words from the first show in 2018, about how the stepfather took all of his mother's assets: "A grieving 21 year old Joe was no match for his used car salesman step father." Injustice weighs on our heart like a heavy physical presence, I know from my own family of origin issues. It's good to see Joe come out the other side and to see some kind of justice for his mother, and him. I have watched the origjnal show many times, because it is so powerful and I can relate.
Keeping his story alive is another form of justice because while the killers might have gotten off light, they still have to live with the truth of what they did and that is a weight far greater than any other.
So very true!
Well said
Marlene couldnt ask for a better son and she'd have known that in life too. RIP Marlene
How disgusting it is to see those who defend criminals and murderers knowing that they are guilty without taking the victims and the victims' families into consideration
I don't know how they sleep at night. Sickening
like her lawyer
defence lawyers are an essential part of the justice system, everybody is entitled to legal representation. The minute you say someone accused deserves no rights, things get very dangerous. They also help to make sure that evidence stands up to scrutiny.
However, like any group of people, some lawyers are terrible human beings
We need defense attorneys to have a fair system. There are plenty of people who are charged for crimes that did not do them. And those that are guilty are still entitles to defense in a fair and balanced system.
you are thinking with emotion and not logic. We cant have emotion involved in making the rules on how we put people behind bars for their life or give them the death penalty. It has to be fact based.
We need them yes but he's still a bottom feeder, no scruples whatsoever just an awful human
Wow Marlene was beautiful and obviously an amazing woman and mother, no freedom for her murderers.
Did we all forget that they're was an eye witness who sold her the clown mask....smh...what a shame...hearts out to her son,and they're family 🙏
Exactly!!!!!!
I hear ya, but, there's this one little thing🤔, she had TWO choices and she wasn't sure which one it was, 13:00 on. If she was sure, it would've went different💯
The law says it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt but how often is it actually proven beyond a reasonable dout? I mean i think the jury would have convicted her.
Eye witnesses are not very reliable, but I think there is enough hard evidence here and with all the other clues if you put everything together she 100% did it
Follow up and rule out the other person.
That defense attorney has a lot of nerve saying the investigation was poorly handled only for his client to plead guilty. A lot of these defense attorneys strike me as some of the most slimy vile people on this planet.
Agree. That's why they are called " Liars for hire". My " pro Bono" divorce lawyer sent me a bill for $1500.00! I didn't pay it.
And to think this defense attorney was paid for by the victim's money! It was her business, she was successful. Her poor son probably didn't receive a penny.
@@franciskane540 your "pro bono" lawyer asked for money? hahah why ! and for what?
Well they do have to😊 defend murderers
I was locked up in Abingdon VA when Shelia was brought in after they caught her. She would not say anything about why she was there, gave a fake last name, till we found it out later that night when it was on the local news. After that all she would say is that she did not do it and that she really didn't even know "that woman". She had absolutely no remorse because she totally had convinced herself she wasn't guilty. She had this total indifference to the whole thing other than she was still obsessed with Michael. She talked nonstop about him being a "saint". She was delusional because she really thought Florida was going to let it go and she wouldn't be extradited. She's cold hearted imo.
Very interesting comment.
I hope you're doing better now, Amy. I'm sending you strength, courage, and hugs from Tulsa 💪⚔️🫂☮️😘
I hope you guys were able to buy clown noses in the commissary and taunt her 😂
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They sell clown noses in commissary? Who knew? 🤣
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Joe if you are reading these messages, I'm so sorry for your loss of your mum. I can't imagine the pain you have carried the last 33 years.
I will be praying for you, I am glad you have fond memories of your mum, those are something they can never take away from you.
I pray you continue to find peace and comfort in your life. God bless you 🙏💙🙏
Well said
Why wasn’t the woman who sold the clown costume talked about more? That seems pretty solid! Also did she return the costume??? And her comment big brown eyes gave me chills it’s so obvious!
I am with you.
To me that was the more convincing evidence
The son describing what it felt to see his mother being brutally, fatally attacked a part of me ached for him 😔
My mother passed from natural causes and it felt like a piece of me died too, so I can only imagine what he felt witnessing what he saw
Her lawyer needs to be put away too,unbelievable. It’s so obvious she did it.
Well we all have a right to a defense. Honestly it would be smarter not to speak 😊
There is a special place for people like Sheila and her husband.
Well said
I heard it’s hot as hell in there
Her son. Bro, I’m crying. I can’t.
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There’s NO WAY I would plead guilty to a crime I didn’t commit !!! She knows she killed this woman!! 🤬
Of course she did it, there was really nobody else with a motive besides her and Marlen's husband!
You wouldn't take 18 months if you were facing life? Uh huh. Sure.
That attorney trying to explain it away is a joke. Most innocent people would be put on the stand, I'll convince them I'm innocent
@@sulynn72 That's a very optimistic, naive view of the justice system.
Question: who else could have done this? 🤷♀️ my goodness!!! Shameful!
Exactly. There were only two people who wanted her out of the picture, the husband and Shelia.
Only her husband and his lover which later we found out that they got married really fast! If they have arms, if they ever get into a quarrel, maybe they will appear in the news...
A defense attorney must not sleep well at night. Working to defend murderers....shame.
Sometimes they are actually innocent. So they are needed
Good morning 48 Hours family!
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Morning. ☕🫖
Some defense attorneys make me sick how they defend suspects no matter what
Same here,I can’t stand it,the justice system is stupid
Correct . i understand when they do that during an active case but here he denied that she is guilty even after she pleaded guilty. Could have just kept his mouth shut
That is literally the job of a defense attorney. What do you expect them to do?
Poor Joe…. You can tell he loved his mom so much… i hope he finds peace one day even though I know the pain will never go away… Sheila and her x should of rotten in prison …12 years that’s a joke…. They give more to people that get caught with drugs..the fact that her lawyer said she goes to Tennessee and will live her life” boiled my blood. Marlene and her son don’t get to live their lives the way they deserved… RIP Marlene
Well said
My heart goes out to Joe, a young man needs his parents and to have one taken so brutally and selfishly is beyond painful. He saw it happen, I can’t imagine. I wish him many years of health and peace. 🙏
I have been waiting for this episode. Thanks for the upload🇿🇦
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So, in one segment, the defense attorney says there's no way she would be convicted based on their botched investigations, bad chain of custody with the evidence and allegedly not pursuing other potential suspects, yet cops to a plea deal because it would be playing Russian roulette? Sounds to me like he wasn't all that convinced of his client's innocence
Yep. Let people talk long enough and they usually tell on themselves.
Someone here doesn't understand what Russian Roulette is, apparently.
@39:38 I just got chills!!! All I can think about is “the big brown eyes” the son described. Such dark soulless eyes. Wow.
Well said
Everytime I see these old parents grieving the loss of their child, my heart struggles 💔 for them. This world is full of pain. She killed her. When she asked if they are gonna arrest her husband too, to me it was a clear indication she was ready to talk if they pressed her harder!
I cant roll my eyes enough at her defense attorney.
12 years?!? The devil is a liar
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He sure is. And these two killers will be shocked when they spend eternity with him, their father, the father of lies.
It's insulting listening to the defense lawyer.
Thank you 48hours for putting this full episode on
So the staff heard rumors, she murdered Marlene and wore a clown custome, where did they get the information from? That sentence isn't fair, she should've got life in prison!
Wow they went on living the best of their lives after killing Marlyn!😢
If Shiela was innocent, she wouldn’t wear a Clown Costume for Halloween at her restaurant, no moral, no respect, she is guilty big time!
El sr van sant es un excelente periodista,no me pierdo sus capítulos,también me gusta 48 hours me gustaría ver más capítulos en la semana,❤😺🐱💙🐱🐱🐱🐱
That defense attorney couldn’t be any creepier
What about Marlene's mom and her "clownaholism?"
Hope Joe find happiness and peace he truly deserved.
Well said
Sometimes prosecuters should take their chances.They should've prosecuted her back at the beginning.Motive,testimony of the clothing and the flower place,the fiber in the car that belongs to the dealership were a lot more than evidence in other cases where suspects were convicted on similar cases.The strongest issue for juries is always the motive.
And then she would have walked. Bad idea.
@maanmohammad8459
For a case in that era there was enough evidence - however circumstancial some of it might have been - to try the case. They failed miserably but so did the investigators.
Defense attorneys can drive me bonkers. Lol. “I happen to know it’s NOT her but we don’t really know who it was.”
And what about the prosecution flippant attitude
So sad for her son and mother.
Justice WAS NOT served!! That's terrible her son and family did not really get closure.. Sheila, "No, I didn't do it, ya I did do it, to no I didn't do it!?" Really? I hope Sheila and that useless husband rot in hell for what they did!!
Justice can't be served in a LEGAL SYSTEM. You hear LEGAL and you think its the same as JUSTICE. It is not.
The Legal system isnt about Truth or JUSTICE. Its a BUSINESS. Many people are employed in a LEGAL SYSTEM. Prisons are A HUGE BUSINESS.
Don’t worry they will. “Be not deceived. God is not mocked. What ever you sow you will also reap.”
I have so much sympathy for Joe. To witness his mother being killed is heart wrenching. Both the Warrens should be in prison with no parole.
Well said
Who else's favorite show is 48 Hours?
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Marlene was a really talented artist. Im so sorry that her family lost her in such an awful way.
Well said
12 years????? They stole that little boy’s life when they killed his mother.
THE FACT THAT WHO EVER KILLED THAT WOMAN WAS DRESSED IN A CLOWN SUIT MEANS IT WAS SOMEONE WHO NEW SHE LOVED CLOWNS…
Well said
Theres no point being a nice, caring person in this World!! .....Only nasty people are looked after
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Yes, there is a point to being a caring person, because of the young children that can be taught to be caring--there's still hope for a better world. Nasty people always get a comeuppance. These two murderers are getting old and will probably end up receiving the "care" of a Nurse Ratched.
You make a really great point. I am so thankful there is a God who cares and rewards good. The rewards will last an eternity
Such a letdown!!! She deserves life!!! Ridiculous!!!! Defense attorneys do not have to raise their hand and swear to tell the truth!! Always remember that!!! How can you go plead guilty and take responsibility? Supposedly for your crime, but then still proclaim your innocence? How does that work? That's not remorse, which she supposed to show for her crime.... #Pathetic #Ridiculous #NoJusticeHere #GetItTogetherProsecutors
They should have asked the defense attorney to speak on why he lied earlier on only for her to take the plea deal.
i always hate these defense lawyers
You are beautiful inside and out JOE. And know that your mother is always with you and protecting you.
He needs to bring a civil suit - for pain and suffering - citing his life changes - and recoup what was stolen from his mom. Not to get it- but to take it away from the people who PROFITED from murdering his mom!
The little son Is so brave for taking action in a split second and making an attempt to save his mother! We need more brave kids like this ❤😢
Well said
Them taking the plea deal so readily over going to trial and potentially being acquitted points to guilt for me.
Remember guys, don't be too all-American, don't be the life of the party, don't light up a room and keep your shirt on your back. Follow this advice and you'll live longer.☑
Maybe that not the point bud
Why do I see this comment every time as soon as 48 hours posts a video
😂😂😂😂 true that. Also no to insurance policies
why dont they check the shoes or boots of the clown, for sure, the height changes when it uses thicker mascot shoes. I mean not accurate anymore with the height of the suspect
This comment always makes me chuckle. In that case, I’m on the right track, safe n sound
What a beautiful, kind son.
Well said
This whole story is beyond sad as many are but what got me the most was the balloons and what could have been perceived so positive.😭
Well said
Only in this country can you shoot somebody in the face in broad daylight and get a few years in prison. Disgusting.
There should be a very serious penalty for people to "plead down" in court and then publicly deny their oath in court. Shameful.
Hear, hear.
my heart goes out to the son.... props to him for crawlingmhimself out of the hole or substance abuse and live his life. i cant fathom how the husband cound immediately marry shiela after he got out
Well said
I really enjoy these episodes.
Astounding to marry a murderer, knowing full well they are so cold-blooded. I imagine you'd feel you could never "cross" them, never say no, never disagree with them . . .
In a lot of these cases the ones murdered always tell someone “if something happens to me, so and so did it” logic tells me to get away from so and so as soon as possible 🤷🏾♂️
I live in Kingsport, Tn. Where the restaurant still operates, The Purple Cow. I recall one day in 1999, my husband and I were riding our motorcycles. We'd pulled over at that parking lot to rest a minute and stretch our legs. A couple were sitting quietly by their bike. We spoke to them about riding. The skinny and frail looking dark haired woman sort of coward by the man's left side. We were standing at his right side. We talked about riding as he said that she has a bike also, yet preferred to ride with him. He introduced them as Michael and Debbie...we laughed because that is our first name also. He said that they run The Purple Cow.. The woman didn't speak or be social. I felt like we were intruding. I wasn't comfortable by her strange quietness. She was definantly paranoid about something or extremely shy. He said that they work all week and that Sunday is their only day off.. They left afterwards, and I told my husband that that was strange conversation. We watched them get on the bike and leave toward the Virginia line. (Virginia is only 2 miles from this area.) We hadn't thought anymore about this until we heard about the crime. I freaked out when they said that the woman named Sheila was going by Debbie. We knew we had just met the 2 people that murdered his wife in a clown suit. It seems that her dissociative personality was paranoia after the fact. Now I will never forget how talkative the man was, while the woman, pretty much curled up next to him and didn't speak. 😮