I Accepted 20 Uber Rides Without Declining: My Full Earnings Revealed | Driver Diary with Sergio
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I drive in Atlanta. This just proves what I already know. We are getting screwed. For 11 hours, a driver must be at 270-300 dollars. Since Upfront pricing the average driver is losing roughly $40 to 75 a day. So now we have to drive 100 miles or more extra to get that money back. I suspect the algorithm has been intentionally designed in such a way that a driver gets paid less so that he will drive more, do long pick up drive, tons of dead head miles, etc…
Well I was at 235 how are your numbers? Atlanta is very tough
It has been designed that way. Yes.
It certainly didn’t design itself in any case, a person had to create it.
@@sergioSMTMC1 I have been driving in Atlanta since 2016. Upfront pricing made driving in Atlanta tough. It’s busy all the time but the pay is low. I can go out and drive non stop the entire 12 hours. The problem is within 12 hours you will circle interstate 285 many times, drive up and down 75/ 85 many times. For the money you made driving less than 300 miles a few years ago, now you must drive 450 miles in 12hours to make the same or less. What’s tough in Atlanta is doing Uber full time. Drivers conditions have deteriorated since Upfront pricing. You still can make money but you will suffer physically and mentally daily because of low pay and atrocious driving conditions. Just not sustainable.
@@frankelse745 agree, sorry to hear that
I agree with you about algorithms. I also think if you take almost all rides, the app/algorithms reward you with hire paying jobs, which all seem to balance out financially at end of day either way! I think the algorithm sets how much we make per hour. And I feel like they test things in markets without telling you what they are testing. It’s a very shoddy way of doing business with the drivers. If it’s slow and you don’t take small jobs, Uber will add money to them - Sergio has mentioned this.
Too much risk for too little, one accident even if it’s not your fault, isn’t worth this low pay
Agree
Even if it means being able to start your own company and make money from them driving your cars?
I'm glad to see someone understands risk. In order to compare apples to apples, one needs to use risk adjusted numbers. In a couple months, minimum wage for flipping burgers in CA will be $20 risk free plus you get 2x overtime, paid vacation days, paid holidays, paid sick days... if you get injured at work, you will get disability payments... you have legal rights (for example, you can sue your employer for unsafe working conditions)
@@sergioSMTMC1Your calculations are off. In CA, if you work more than 8 hours, you get 2x overtime. If you work more than 5 hours without launch, you get 2x overtime. Also, in addition to risk, you need to adjust for a paid break time every four hours.
Thanks for the honesty, if people think this is good, I feel GREAT about my major Uber stock position.
You grossed 95cent a mile , the government gives you 67cent , so you’re making .28 cents a mile ( not sure about the $5 per hour cost to operate vehicle? ) sure you can use depreciation method.
Again thanks , from the PT disabled driver who doesn’t have other options for jobs, however I’ll continue to make tons of money on this stock…..
Data does not lie. Chicago is horrible with $15-18 hour most days (unless cold etc) and add the fact safety is MAJOR issue. I was robbed at gunpoint (did not get car) and 5 drivers have been killed in Chicago since November (3 drivers and 2 UE) and 4 shots/wounded What value is money if you are not alive to enjoy it.
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Great experiment. But here's a philosophical question: If you turn on the app, take every ride, and do exactly what Uber wants you to do, aren't you essentially an employee? Just one with no benefits, protections, or UI.
Technicality but I am not forced to do it that way
All I get here in San Francisco are "Trip Radar" trips. Once in a great while, I'll get an old school ping. The trip radar is total BS game of Whack-A-Mole. Desperate drivers are grabbing these without even looking pickup/destination. It's bad here. Been doing this since 2014. Was grandfathered in at 80 percent of the cut. Now, I'm getting 50. WTF happened?
Time to look for something else?
So 180 miles, $234.62. 7 hours 13 minutes active, 10 hours 58 minutes online, net taxable income of $114.02 after $120.60 IRS standard mileage deduction rate for 180 miles, estimated $11.40 still owed in income tax when you file.
According to Uncle Sam you earned $10.40 an hour for this weekend! What a fun adventure!!! Oh and that is with tips and the quest bonus for completion included.
That's not exactly how it works but that's the reason Rideshare drivers don't pay taxes
Generally they are not, no.
@jeffreyculbert- as usual, haters will only tell half the story. 1-Mileage is only one deduction. 2- If you rely on what the IRS says is income that is probably a bigger problem for you.
I have over 30,000 trips in 8 years. The ONLY year I ever showed a profit was 2021 when seemingly all of the hellish blue states lifted their covid lockdowns seemingly the same day (presidential election year, what a coincidence) and Florida was blasted with all of the hypocrites who couldn't wait to come here for vacation. For 3 months I was making $25 for each 3 mile ride due to driver shortages and high demand. I just couldn't find enough deductions for the IRS. That doesn't mean I didn't make money the other 7 years, I just didn't pay taxes!!!! The mileage and maintenance deduction from the IRS is an average, so if you drive a hybrid you benefit your tax position mightily where as if you drive an escalade ICE you take it on the chin.
Hopefully you learned something from this. The bottom line is that this is a non skilled job and the pay is commensurate with the skills needed. Yes Uber and Lyft suck, they are predatory, and exploitive. That won't change. The choice is your, turn your app on or do something else.
Sergio I totally agree with this gentleman's analysis. Your $5 per hour expense calculation is way too low.
Depends on if one itemizes deductions or uses the IRS standard rate. Generally people will do whichever one allows them to claim the most in deductions, as is recommended by the government.
Greed! This is the definition of greed. They’ll slave everyone to death with these cost of living.
Every Single Day, It's a crapshoot. One minute, I'm burning through gas on a multi-stop nightmare that pays me seven bucks for half an hour. (true story just the other day) That's right, folks, seven whole dollars - barely enough to cover the wear and tear on my tires, let alone my sanity. That translates to a whopping $14 an hour, before expenses!
Talk about a slap in the face. And don't get me started on this "average your day" nonsense. That's like justifying a leaky roof by pointing out there are sunny days too. One minute it's a measly $14, the next it might bump up to $30 - but then it plummets back down to barely making minimum wage after I pay for gas, maintenance, insurance, everything!
This isn't a game of averages, it's a fight for survival. And frankly, we're losing. We're the ones putting in the miles, the sweat, the wear and tear on our cars and our souls, while these companies rake in obscene profits on the backs of our exploited labor.
This reality isn't black and white, it's screaming red. And it's time we stopped whispering and started shouting. We deserve fair pay, not scraps. We deserve respect, not exploitation. We deserve more than just scraping by, barely reaching minimum wage after pouring our hearts and souls into this job.
This isn't a feel-good story, it's a call to action. We need to unite, speak out, and demand change. We need to make sure every single person knows the ugly truth behind the shiny app on their phone. We need to make sure they hear the roar of the drivers, the ones who keep this whole engine running, the ones who are getting left in the dust while the executives sip champagne in their ivory towers.
Enough is enough. We're not averaging our way to dignity, we're fighting for it. And we won't stop until we win.
We are independent contractors! Not supposed to be an averaged out miss classified independent contracter that's exploited to the fullest extent.
Then there is the real question... knowing everything that you know, why are you letting these companies climb onto your back?
Sure, they make obscene profits, so why are you helping them if that is an issue for you? Are you financially stuck? Do you have no other outs? What is your issue that seems to force you to drive for a business you dislike?
I just stay parked when the pay offered is low. I don't get upset; those aren't my customers. What I absolutely don't do is drive them anyways, earn money for Uber while breaking even myself and get mad about it... If the pay is not right, they are not my customer and not my problem.
Simple as.
No reason to get upset. That person who is not my customer wants a ride on the cheap... not my problem. That's an Uber problem and I'm not Uber. They can figure it out without me. Customer in my area wants a ride they are willing to pay correctly for? That's my customer.
I don't have any issue with Uber earning money; no issue with Uber's customers wanting service on the cheap. Those aren't my customers. And I don't owe such that I must drive them. Why do you feel that you have to?
@@ericwolfe8119 I'm stuck now compared to a year and a half ago doing what it takes to climb out of the hole of exploitation
@@teslamike1990
Ah, I thought maybe so.
Being exploited sucks. Been there a while myself. But it only stays as exploitation when one has to AND they know it. Then they can exploit.
When one does not have to... these companies have nothing. They can't make me do anything; they can only ask. And if the price is right, I'm willing to make myself and the company some money.
For money, everyone will exploit me if they can. It's not about changing them; it's all about just not letting them exploit ME. If they can exploit a thousand other people and NOT me... so be it.
@@ericwolfe8119 Honestly in my market things have gotten pretty bad. Like Sergio said, You can receive ride after ride after ride but if they're only trying to pay you $20 an hour with the rides they're giving you no matter how much you decline eventually you're going to have to cave to make some cash flow. Else if you don't You're not going to have any money and that's how they get people doing it in the moment. Otherwise you have to see if you could get out of this all together. Right now I'm in the middle of both. Trying to get out of it without going upside down with my immediate bills.
I’m not surprised. It is really sad. Shows both Uber’s and Lyft’s disrespect for the worker that is what actually making profit. I’m not your customer but a partner. How do you cut my earnings but yet you make record breaking profits after posting losses for years.
Agree
Drivers continue to allow it.
@BM-if9zn you think you have control? That's nonsense, good luck reaching to 4 million drivers
@@sergioSMTMC1 precisely the point. We all have to do what is best for us individually.
@@BM-if9zn 💯💯
I start out telling myself I am going to accept every trip, usually only make it 3 in a row.
LOL, it is tough
Change that to, "I'm going to accept every trip ***that makes sense***."
Two points: 1. The inclusion of Comfort rides is going to increase your $ per online and active hour. Those CEO claims of $32 per active hour are X, no? 2. Will be interested to know what riders paid for those 20 rides.
Very interesting research. Thank you for doing and sharing.
32 per active is not clarified, typical uber
I have comfort, in the DC MDVA area there are many Comfort, doesn't make a difference...note I just do partime 24 hours per week avg 20-22 dollars before gas costs
Well I guess Sergio proved wages are down 30 %. His bad day is a good day in some markets I call rotten cherries picking market.
Agree
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Rideshare Driver seems to be a driver negotiator ambassador at large and even talk to CEOs. So why not negotiate with the CEOs when you get to talk with them ?
To get back out pay, I guess we are looking for about 45/hr active pay; to put it in Uber language which is good.
Obviously active pay dropped from $45 to $32, we are just asking for the pay to be restored. Other workers got pay increases; but, drivers got a pay cut.
As negotiator, some simple asks, $2 min tip or rider states why no tip. Good info for both driver & Uber.
Another item, $5 given per ten trips completed for driver increased insurance costs. Deductibles are high for Rideshare insurance, plus regular insurance is higher.
Both together equals one cherry ride of $25, no miles.
Also why not ask CEOs to meet and talk regularly to negotiate for drivers ?
I’ve watched my fares go down and pings also. I’ve been doing this for 8 years and still maintain a 5 rating. The numbers are no longer there for us. Going to get a real job this year. See ya Uber.
great, best of luck
Thanks for taking one for the team.
Thanks, it was an experiment
Having come to a stop light in Beverly Hills by a Comfort Uber (I could see his app from the window), while I was getting nothing as Uber X, he was declining left and right all these popups. You're right. I think Comfort is getting more pings because the prices are about the same as X. In the meantime, as X, I sit and wait or get tons of $3 crap in a row.
Seems like it
Same ...They are killing us with this bs ...
I do the $3 rides when I know people are going to bars and parties. They tend to tip $3-$5.
Love your channel Sergio. The only problem I have with your analysis is that we should never average earnings with Active hours but ONLY with Online hours. If I am waiting online for a ride to come through then that should be part of the equation because I am actively WORKING. You wouldnt only pay the Taco Bell worker only for the time that he is actually taking an order or making a taco. As long as the app is on, it should be factored into the final average hourly pay. Period. Its like punching the time clock at work: If you are online (and seriously waiting for a ride request) that means you are working - ride or no ride.
Thank you for the support, I never say one should, I actually do door to door hours as my metric
Gee thanks now I'm thinking about tacos!
No surge = driver saturation.
But I like Sergio’s thought on turning off while you have a rider in car. If we all do that, it will bring back the surging. It’s a brilliant thought. And it stops your rates from plumetting… not that we really care anymore!
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@gongerjobaretro945
If there isn’t a butt in your back seat or a very profitable trip to accept the moment you turn your app on and go online then your apps should be off. Always. All the time. Your app should ONLY ever be turned on when you have a profitable trip offer to accept.
Come one,simple math. There are just not enough rides for every driver to make money. Here in Palm Springs California ,there are hundreds and hundreds of drivers from San Diego county,Los Angeles county,imperial county, Orange county, I even met some from San Francisco. This counties are big. We are oversaturated and just not enough crumbs for every ant to eat,sadly some will starve.
Agree
That's enough to stand on the corner and ask for $ in LA
Ok, do you still drive?
Weekend rate isn't going to match weekdays. You definitely were luckier than the avg. I'm in LA and know what it's like.
Thanks, I can imagine weekdays would be worse
@@sergioSMTMC1 I actually really like you Sergio. Sometimes I direct my anger and frustration towards you because Uber makes me so upset at how they treat us. It's not only that they don't respect us but it feel like they actively TRY TO HURT US and pay us less. Anyways I appreciate you and thank you for your work. The only hope is if we can organize a strike or tell everyone to stop accepting anything less than $6. How can we make that happen?
thank you, nothing personal, it is tough out there, but I do not work for Uber, I would fix their mess, we all have choices and we all driver for different reasons
This company is no longer feasible,,,where you need to take a trip to is ubers office and tell them""I quit"!!!!!!!
You can always delete the app
A more accurate way to calculate gas is by starting with a full tank of gas, driving and then filling your gas back up. Using estimates will skew the real data.
No estimates here, odometer doesn't lie, email me sergio@therideshareguy.com
Truth.
I would love to see this same experiment done with Lyft. I'm betting it would be so much less.
coming up
I avg more with Lyft per ride than I do Uber
@@phuqizm1547sometimes I do too
When I follow the algo, revenue is decent but I drive a ton of miles, burn up a tank of gas or more, and always end up driving most of the day in some pretty sketchy areas. If I take most of my trips in my preferred driving areas, I may get a little less revenue, but I use 1/3 to 1/4 the gas. In the end, I do a bit of both depending how busy it is, but for me, following the algo isn't worth putting the miles on the car at the end if the day.
Agreed, I got lucky this weekend
That’s sad 😞 top workers getting taken advantage like this 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It is what it is at the moment, the toughest I have seen in 8 years
$27 in tips from 17 people is barely $1.60 for each passenger.
Sergio, maybe I am missing something but I thought the $32 per active hour counts for a minimum on UberX? I don't have Comfort or any of that. I only have UberX and UberX shared available to me. So anyone running just those 2, won't even get close to $32 per active hour. So the numbers Uber is giving is still a farce!
It's all in the video, there's no minimum like that, 32 per active hour is their national average
Yup, and Sergio even said that 75% of his rides were Comfort, so what does that tell you? How much would he have made if they were all UberX rides? Yikes 😬
@@RVFCalvoprobably $21-26 based on active hours with Uberx alone
@sergioSMTMC1 i wasnt critizing your video. I think you did a fantastic job and I appreciate what you do for the community. I was just remarking that i thought the $32 per active hour that Uber says is a Nation wide figure would count if you only ran UberX only. Ubers numbers are whacked! Here in Nashville i have an app that calculates the hourly pay for each trip and i rarely see one that is over 20/hr. Most fall in the $18/hr range.
@Steelin2011 didn't take it that way, everyone is super frustrated, that's Uber's number, no clarity, they just throw it out there without a breakdown, obviously some will do more some will do less, it's very tough right now
He has been broken by the system! Told everybody to take a stand and he folded
😂😂Got to love the trolls, bye
NO Uber X driver in their right mind will accept 20 rides in a row. Not on this planet.
A lot of people do, I'll introduce you to a million of them
So Surge your active hours are about 2/3 of your online time approx. So every hour you work 20 minutes is non active. Maybe 40 active.
That's called UR utilization rate
I only drive lyft, and this weekend I drove, Friday overnight, saturday overnight, and sunday (today) 3 hours. Also in LA . Went to simi, sunland, glendale, sfv, inglewood, etc. I get 45 mph+ (2018 prius) and your numbers are like mine.
I basically accept every single ride. Since August, I’ve been making 19-20$ per hour average.
Yep, thanks for the comment
What do you actually make? It cost a driver $5.00-$8.00/ hr to operate a vehicle.
@@shape5685i have a hybrid car that is paid off I didn’t drive for years (WFH) so yes, my costs are not typical. I have a day job and lyft is just extra. I am monetizing the low miles in the car.
Dfw area this past sat…worked 11 hours online at least. Didn’t even break $180 between both apps
It's very tough right now
Thank you for your thorough analysis. I drive in the LA Market also, and I have noticed that at night time it is more dead out there. It has gotten to the point where I am now driving right after work at 5:00 p.m. when it's a little more busy and just taking as many rides and wherever they go until about 8:00 or 8:30 p.m. I usually drive until I've made about 60 bucks and then call it a day.
They're definitely are no more big bonuses. Ever since Lyft went IPO they seem to be less caring about the drivers and more caring about company profits. I started in 2018 and I'm now at 4000 rides. I think a lot of drivers are probably looking into getting a better job so they don't have to drive Lyft anymore .
That is my goal for 2024. It's just not paying what it used to, and thank you for highlighting the risks we face just being on the road. We are literally dodging death the longer we are on the road, and I wish the Rideshare companies would notice and reward us for that properly.
I think if we made $2 a mile, it might be more fair. Does that sound like a decent rate to you?
This is why I'm staying at my full-time job. Because I know the amount im making is decent money and it doesnt change hourly. The only time I do Uber, Lyft and other gig apps is when im not working overtime at my job. If im working overtime at my job, I'm already making alot more then what uber is offering. So, I think these apps are only good for part-time work. Im advently trying to get away from the gig apps this year.
Yeah I have to run 4 apps at once and do at-least 2-3 orders at a time just to make it 'worth it' anymore.. I used to make $1,600 or more a week just doing instacart, now you're lucky to make maybe $600-700wk working 10hr days, 7 days a week.. which is totaly not worth it anymore, especially aft expenses
You are a smart man. I’m an older educated woman. BK, DD & Micky Ds won’t even hire me. Sometimes they don’t want educated professionals that want to simplify their brains. So some of us are stuck with having to do this, especially if we have some physical challenges that aren’t conducive to normal work environment. Lots of age discrimination out there too!
It's a side hustle these days
100% agree with you Sergio. A good way to make a few bucks on the side.
@@charleslee8794 💯
Great video. Thanks for taking another one for the team
Thanks, I appreciate it
This is the reason I multi app. Delivery really helps me get my $1 per mile up.
Well, that wasn't the experiment
I did the exact same thing on Lyft Saturday night in Providence. I did 21 trips and made 135 bucks.
How many hours
11 or 12 but that shouldn’t really be relevant, you do 20 or more trips you should be walking away with a hell of a lot more money than 130.
“So this morning I got up early, ugh, early enough, 8:30ish”……😂 love it!
For sunday?
Powerful stuff here my friend. As the chairman and CEO, welcome to the AFU. We do not charge dues or hate anyone here. The most surprising thing here was that these numbers seem to match what we see here in Florida, but we have far less regulation, insurance requirements, permitting needed, no state or local income taxes, less traffic, and gas is still only $2.79 a gallon. It may surprise you but on Uber my AR is 75% and I am still an ant. I would have declined your trip to death valley. You can still be selective as an ant. I judge the ride on a single thing, $$$/mile. The rest falls into place. Now please work your magic and get Uber to come around and copy the Lyft "stay in area" filter. I would much rather drive for the big tree but Lyft's area filter is a GAME CHANGER!!!!!
Thanks, will try
This is very low, I do Uber. In 3.5 hours I make between 65 to 90 on slow days and when working 4 to 5ish hours I'm making between 120 to 150 sometimes I'm making 190$ in 5.5 hours.. And I'm not wasting much gas. I really got to know this app and how to work the system on my favor. Also I'm making this money without accepting groceries deliveries
Pay attention to the video, you have no particulars in your comments
You may be in the perfect market. Unfortunately, not all markets are like that, then add the saturation to the issue.
@@gingerjobarreto945 That maybe so, but I got to know the system. And time is money on Uber, so groceries shopping take lots of time. I don't just accept everything. I pay attention for mileage and time, mixture of both. At times I just pay attention to the mileage depending on how big the tip is
Sergio you can't make a general assumption just by your experience. Right now uber in general is horrible in l a. Yeah one day you make good money the next day you make no money. It's better to do it over the whole week. Because 1 day like I said, you might get good trips one after but the next day you gonna get no trips and make no money. That's all it is right now in l a.
I didn't, it's all in the video, have patience and watch the thing, this was a Saturday, peak day of the weak, you think Tuesday will be better?
@sergioSMTMC1 I work in LA on the weekend nights and this week was the nail to the caphin. I litellay made No money this weekend.
Yep I think you need to do every test because Mike has a good point .
I have done my own test and the whole thing is rigged and you cannot trick the algo ! I went to working nights when there were less drivers now they pay less at night and you have to drive hella far to the pick up . I also can drive less miles making the same damn thing working Monday - Thur then on the weekend . And for whatever reason I make more going out of my region . The tips are so important and I think they are not giving me the riders who tip anymore because of the car and my AR rating . So I'm doing more tests on my own but I sure liked having you prove my theory . Tell me how the same ride is so different because they see you down so they take it from the rider they know they can is what makes me upset . They are taking from the drivers and the riders . It's like a nightmare and Uber and Lyft are the master ring leaders having all the info of rider and driver and how they ride and drive . And changing my game plan doesn't help much. Now what I do in my car on the side helps but now they want videos and recordings .
True
@roxiebenesch348 this was 20 in a row and that's it, what happens to flexibility amd freedom if you have to work a certain shift all the time? We always say work when and where is demand
This has been our market, at least during slow season, north FL bchs. My numbers for Saturday 12 hrs is about same, and about half for 10 hrs weekdays. So few days a week only neting $30 per day. Thanks Tippers
Which nf bch? Atlantic to jax for me. Numbers have been at best, ok
“Active hours” it still took you 11 physical hours to obtain that rate. So your actual earnings is $15 an hour. Below min wage. You didn’t add vehicle replacement cost. So not $5 an hour. You need to make $10 an hour when your vehicle becomes worthless.
That is false, but you can rub the business you choose, I go with 70/30 rule putting away 30% of what I make for that
Watch the video, hope you know the difference
171.60!? Wow that’s horrible. Uber slaving drivers and paying crap 💩
No surge no ride, less rides more money is how I operate. Fuck being a ride share slave. EFFICIENCY and cherry picking! Be smart people do the math.
Good luck, hope you get surge, in LA on a Saturday there was NONE, then what do you do?
Sergio, a person that disagrees with you is not a troll. Since you met Dara for 10 mins you’re all glary eyed and it’s easy to see the difference in you. We can even hear the new found excitement in your voice. Heaven knows what he promised you and we certainly wish you luck with it. But please don’t insult your loyal followers with it. Much more ethical to start a new channel. To include $5 per hour to run your car including gas, insurance, depreciation AND maintenance bills is COMPLETE TWODLE. Gas per hour costs that. Even at 30 miles per hour, you’re burning about 4-5 bucks. You didn’t show true maintenance and depreciation costs OR your face in this video and we are not at all surprised!
I can't be driving all over the place. Have to be within 20 minutes of my home base at all times
well, the experiment was that
my advice to full time drivers is to buy a knee brace for your drive leg. even if you dont feel it now think of it as preventative maintenance. $20 brace vs $20,000 knee replacement.
I hear ya.. I'll try it. My leg is killing me when I'm doing Uber in my small toyota Corolla for 5-6 hours at night straight.
I get out and stretch every other hour and massage my right driving leg.
🤯 thats why,, oh
Now let's add in all the time in miles that the app does not account for. The gas used while waiting for a ping to come in add zero miles per gallon. The time spent going to the pickup location that is unaccounted for. Does time spent waiting for the customer to come out to the car that is unaccounted for. The miles to the pickup location which is unaccounted for in the app. In the miles in time on your way home. You know the things that would actually make active hours actually being active on the app
All in the video
$29 dlls per active hour on Lyft and $30 on Uber I was picky I did not accept anything less then $1dlls per hour, Uber was giving me time outs Lyft kept sending me trips non stop
active hour is really misleading but good job
Not a good time to do this because this is the slowest time of year.
We'll keep doing it
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Stop hitting yourself.
Stop hitting yourself!
@@jeffreyculbert2093 🤣🤣
It’s a good experiment just to kinda prove what you say and not what Uber and Lyft want you to say. I’m sure a lot of drivers would love to do this but the rates are so low and miles and be high where it’s hard to just say I’ll take everything to see how I do. To me rideshare lately has been a gamble. Drivers shouldn’t have to feel like that when they go out and work.
A lot of drivers have 100% AR
I’ve heard drivers have a high AR I’m just saying I’ve never seen anyone do this experiment where they took everything, documented it, took out expenses, and mileage to see what their hourly rate is. That’s all. 😊
@RideshareLisa thanks for the comment, Jeff and Donnie are on the channel, they have 100% AR 🤣always appreciate your comments
Very few people do this properly, even less file taxes based on this information as they are supposed to.
Everyone should be doing this as it’s a legal requirement. Tristan’s Money Talk channel has plenty of good examples on how to properly do the accounting book work. It’s actually relatively simple to do and keeping a proper ledger helps maximize earnings and enables a driver to appropriately claim several thousands of dollars in tax deductions.
@@sergioSMTMC1 I wasn’t talking about an AR but you’re welcome.
Well, starting this Spring, fast food workers will earn $20. per hour in LA LA Land.
I'm sure other industries must adjust also, just do rideshare part time only.
Yes, at the moment it's a side hustle at best
I think you are right. Fast food gives you the ability to have fun and work your way up (as opposed to how we thought of it in the 70s & 80s). You don’t have to overwork your brain as you do in the corporate world. Fast food & Amazon warehouse may net someone more $ than gig world! It may be time to leave!
I have done the calculations and realized how much I am making. I just submitted my application to Sheetz.
ok
We are hourly employees guys that’s it Uber does not pay for rides we get paid hourly that’s the algorithm and they pay different per city that’s it. And it’s not enough to sustain a family
In Long Island there's not upfront all drivers see is the pickup distance and time... 20 trips/pickups would get like $100...mostly $5 trips to the train station or pax job about 10 miles away
What flexibility and freedom? You gotta be online 16 hours a day to make a decent amount
I’ve added Lyft and multi app to take up the slack of the slow Uber periods. Btw, we don’t get the active rime stat in our area ( or at least on my phone) 19.89 per online hour for me this past week (plus off app tips)
You can figure that out on your own too
With all due respect, Sergio, this experiment was kind of a waste of time. What we all know is that the take rate has increased dramatically. Seems like the average take rate by Uber right now is around 50% sometimes as high as 70 percent. That’s where the frustration and anger emanates from. There are many companies who thrive and make a profit and don’t have to “drink your milkshake” as well. Take Costco as an example. This corporate greed is reminiscent of the type of oligarchic attitude towards the common worker that cost Marie Antoinette her head.
I added Lyft too, and it’s helping.
Lyft is even more of a joke
Can’t believe how many times I’ve gotten a former driver as passenger and talked the whole time about our experiences driving and then NO TIP. Former drivers who don’t tip are scum bags who probably used to complain about people not tipping them
it's about 14$ an hour. according to my boss whose a CPA
I have the analysis in there
Did I miss 20 trip promo? Weather was aweful in mid Missouri with snow. I only got a couple Uber eats yesterday afternoon and than switched to instacart doing 2-3 orders. Due to weather I could only do Uber eats in car not yet registered for Uberx
They have it set That's all you're going to make . I believe that Uber is not giving me rides because i'm cherry picking but thats ok
Possible
Agreed to both points. I believe all of it is preset in the algorithms.
Seriously, when you're out there for 10 hours to make $200, not including your expenses, that's nit $32 per hour.
According to the company it is, not me
Never auto accept, it favors Uber, it won't benefit you, as this clearly shows
20in a row you lose money
Didn't lose money
It was nice to see you got the $32 / hr on active, Great Video today man
Thanks but with 70% UR, that is down to $22
Looking forward to Crossfire :) Great job Sergio 🚗 Thank you for doing a test. I really hope you do it with Lyft. I will bet you will earn more per active hour.
I will, that's next, I need to recover from this trauma 😂
@@sergioSMTMC1 LMBO! 🚗😂🚗
@sergioSMTMC1 you took one for the team!
I came to the exact conclusion this week. It sucks but it's the only way to make money now at least in LA.
Thanks, I did it the Uber way, next time my way bit without surge amd incentives it's tough to break 25 per Online hour
Agreed. I think the algorithms set the hourly for each of us individually to be an hourly salary.
If you calculate expenses by miles driven your cost for the 20 trips was $123.30. The $0.685 per mile figures in gas insurance and depreciation of your work asset-the car
that is during tax time, for 2024 it is 67 cents a mile, most driver's CPM is far less than that, around 35 cents
As long as the vehicle is already immune to depreciation losses at least. Then that CPM is going to be way less than the IRS standard, which is a big boost come tax time since the government recommends filing the maximum in allowable deductions.
@jeffreyculbert2093 I should hire you for responding to comments, it's a volunteer position 🤣
Please don’t. That would take the fun out of it if it became a job.
The whole reason I enjoy it is because I get a choice in how and when and where to go about it. Start paying me for it and you’ll get zero comments per day, lol.
0$ earned for dead time .. i16$ an hour for LA driving.. your crazy…
With Lyft I accept 100% of my trips, and do about $32-$38, with uber I cherry pick because I fall so low Its not even worth it.
per active or per online hour?
I did not really Cherry Peck on Saturday and that’s what I didn’t even break 180 and 11 hours. I sat for many times without rides for probably over 20 minutes so it’s not like rides were coming and that I were denying. Our incentive was $15 for 30 rides. I did hit that Saturday I mean Sunday and I did cherry pick on Sunday and ended up with better numbers. So I think it all just depends on the day and there’s really no science behind it.
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OK I am out in the DFW area right now we have snow on the ground. The surge keeps on changing all over the place and Uber tried to send me for a 7 1/2 mile pick up and a 12 mile drive for $11. I’ll send you the screenshot.
I work uber and its terrible. Even my comfort rides are usually less than $10 unless they are 40 minutes. I have a 22 Hyundai Santafe which is very roomy and always extra clean.
Same car, great
This experiment shows over saturation is a real problem that hurts driver's earnings because you worked 11 hours to achieve only 7 hours active! Driving 11 hours to earn only $235 is horrible because that should have been over a $300 day. We're having to drive mote hours to earn less pay, sure you achived $32 active hours at the cost of being away much longer than in years past. Try this experiment during a weekday and I wont be surprised if you earn half of that because tip rates are much lower with workers and non-existent with those non-emergency medical rides.
Agree
Thx Serio, I'm going to try it also here in Chgo., BUT, there are areas where I won't go so it will be a little different.
I don't blame you, by no means I'm recommending this, it was just an experiment
Good Job!
Doesn't work like that thar in CLE. ..Uber & Lyft starts out great, but I'm driving back to the starting point area w/o a ride back to the area. Back & forth, back & forth. Doesn't really pay well for mls driving back to get the riders. Also, they always send me to dangerous areas, which I'm not willing to do bc either killings, robberies or car jacking happen & it doesn't matter what time of day/night it is.
my area, Uber will try to send you 20-30 mins away. Without fail, you decline 4 of these in a row and then they give you one 4 mins away.
Wow, that not good
@@sergioSMTMC1 I think their algorithm is based on people who have been waiting the longest. There are areas near where I live that are essentially dead zones. You go there and the people are always going somewhere further away into the woods.
@@mw4507 those nature hikes
How come my app doesn’t show active hours like yours? Is that LA only?
All of CA does, you can figure it out on your own if you take screenshots of every ping
So then would you say it would be about $3500 /month (176 online hours) before expenses?
It's self explanatory, all in the video
I’m gonna do this in Boston this week!
Actually, everyone should for once, not more than that😂
Did your experiment include the destination filters at all? I can usually get 3-5 rides with each filter by setting it to an address that I won't reach.
Nope, just take 20 in a row
Great video
Thanks!
What car are you driving that it qualifies for Comfort?
It's on the previous video, a hyundai Santa fe
Santa Fe. Though the introduction to his car was the previous video.
We are all averaging $10 per ride. ALL OF US. THIS IS SOCIALISM! This has been this way for the past 3 to 6 months. Lets call it what it is.
Non active hours doesnt include opportunity cost of doing something else. You were online for almost 12 hours but only made about 230.00 ish minus gas cost. In addition weekdays numbers are even worse.
All in the video, watch it entirely before you make a comment
@@sergioSMTMC1 I can make what you made plowing snow for 2 hours. That's crap pay for a job that you have to bring 20k to 50k equipment to perform and maintain.
@rocketboostjump ok great good luck, what hang out here
@@sergioSMTMC1just make a video and tell the drivers to stop driving entirely and find something else to do. That way it will create driver shortages and Uber will have to increase the pay. I think all these channels try to put Uber in this big spotlight how much you can make every week and encourage them to drive which has a negatice effect on the Ubers pay to drivers.
@@rocketboostjump Good luck with that idea 4 million people more than ever driving. The economy is tough out there.
Great Job! Only I would have used the IRS deduction for my cost since it’s tax deductible and fit all vehicles up to a small box truck. It covers fuel, maintenance and depreciation.
Still I did the very same thing, only 20 rides each day for 5 days in a row to complete my week. Came up $32/active hour total as well. I’m in Nashville, TN.
I’m exhausted as well. I slept for two days. Driving takes a toll when driving that much. I worked Monday, Thursday-Sunday. I took off Tuesday and Wednesday.
I’m completely worn out but I earned $32/active hour. I had about 42 active hours and 78 online hours. Most of the online was sitting on my couch watching Netflix until I received an offer. I took every offer no matter what it was. The other online hours were sitting in parking lots in the Tesla, watching Netflix again. lol.
So it seems, if you work really hard, you avg $32/active hour. But cherry picking, you don’t seem to get enough offers to even cover expenses.
I don’t feel independent because they controlled everything. I couldn’t even choose not to take a ride if I wanted that $32/active hour.
So it’s clear I wasn’t in business for myself, but instead in business for Uber.
Yes, I could have cherry picked and controlled my business, but I wouldn’t profit in the same amount of time. Seems like it would have taken two weeks to cherry pick what I made in a single week.
Great comment, thank you! but the 67 cent IRS deduction is too high for 90% of cars out there, hence drivers do not pay taxes
False. The $0.67 is not high enough. Drivers pay enough in taxes.
@@BrotherK-ex2co true but I’d rather use that as my expense than a number I’d have to prove to an IRS auditor
Drivers do not pay any taxes because they do not EVER turn a real profit….
What can you do while you wait for a ride? Can you do something that makes money? Any good ideas out there? I thought about making hand made Copper trees while waiting, it's easy fun and extremely rewarding when you get a finished tree
Not really
I only did Sat night last week and it was super slow. No surges to be found, but cherry picking still gave me the "hidden surge". 6.5 hours, 173 miles@31mpg avg...total $204. No promotions, and multi app with Lyft and Uber both running. $31/online hour gross.
great job, what city are you in
@@sergioSMTMC1 A suburb outside of Philly. It's a college town, but the students are still on break, so the town is at 1/2 population right now. The population will double this up coming weekend.
The inconveniences of there bs system that won't show u bad trips causes a prevailing wage and them ripping off riders costed drivers alot of money. Some really rich people are in control. It's all bs we live in this world.
Sergio, If Uber is selling our data, can we opt out being in CA? We signed the TOS but doesn't that violate CA privacy laws?
Good question, don't know the answer, more of a legal matter
Your total cost per day is gotta be way more than just $5. Insurance alone costs me $10/day
Did I say per day? Watch the damn video
Your true cost per hour is in the range of 10-12 minimum. Uber and Lyft are robbing drivers and passengers blind, what you got paid is not even close to the 75% they were to be paying drivers!!
Hi Sergio. I usually drive in Orange county and I have noticed since driving on the weekends since 2017 that right after Christmas it slows down tremendously and folks are slow coming back out even on the weekends. I had a ride from Orange county that took me into LA on Saturday and for 3 hours it was not happening. Monica/Lyft Driver
I agree, seasonality is an issue bit I've never seen it this slow in 8 years
@@sergioSMTMC1 Me either
@sergioSMTMC1 When I first started Uber a year and half ago I was making so much more money..Now the trips are longer and the money is shit ....Bottom line ..Uber is nickel and diming us at our cost!!!
Sad they take advantage of Us drivers like that and considering all the risk we take to make that dime
@sergioSMTMC1 When I first started Uber a year and half ago I was making so much more money..Now the trips are longer and the money is shit ....Bottom line ..Uber is nickel and diming us at our cost!!!
Sad they take advantage of Us drivers like that and considering all the risk we take to make that dime
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It was same in Seattle, Wa. It was so slow after Xmas. On new Year's Eve was slower than last year.
Overall it was slow in November 2023 and in December 2023 compared to last year even I see more drivers than last year.
People were not going out much in November and December compared to last year.
FYI, Seattle market is over saturated with drivers.
I am glad you're this.
Better you than me?
In SF, my numbers are typically $350-$450 for 11 hours of driving. The amount of miles driven is usually 100-125 miles doing between 30-50 rides. My car gets 58mpg.
I think SF is one of the top 5 city for lyft/uber driving.
Pricing is different in SF
You forgot the 180 miles x .67 milage deduction in your calculation. Please explain.
Don't you think Uber in LA is too crowded? Too much supply and too little demand. This is what cuts driver pay the most.
I've been driving almost 10 years, and I never had to drive 12 hours to make $200 , this pay absolutely sucks I don't care what Serigo says 2 to 3 years ago drivers were making more money.
what? are you trolling? when did I say 2-3 years ago drivers did not make more money, come on man
@sergioSMTMC1 what I was trying to say was we "drivers" are not making the same dollar amount as we were 2-3 years ago.
I was able back then to make $300-600 12 to 14 hr. Day now, as I said earlier, it's hard to make $200-250 in the same amount of time.
$32 per hour, as you stated, is super low.
Also, I am not sure if you heard but another Lyft driver was just shot and killed over the weekend, so our risk is getting increasingly higher as drivers for way less pay.
Hey I drive in south Florida and that is about the same thing I got for about the same price without surging about the same
What I want to know is I hear people complain all the time about the pay and the wear and tear and everything on their car but when nobody ever calculates in not that I see is the 65 cents per mile that you get off your taxes for the wear and tear on your car counting the 180 mi that's roughly 117 on top of what you just made if you worked at McDonald's and drove 180 mi in a weekend to work you don't get to deduct that off your taxes
we are not doing rideshare as a tax loophole, there are many other ways of reducing your taxes
I used to accept every trip before I ran across you guys.. I averaged about $20 to $24 an hour with tips .
I ran across you guys after having different car issues and started cherry picking. I averaged about $25to $28 an hour at first.
Lately it seems there's not that many customers or to many drivers but cherry picking has not been lucrative because of ride scarcity.
Don't know if I'm targeted to receive fewer request because of low acceptance rates deliberately or not but I've been thinking of going back to accepting every ride again.
Fantastic, congrats, glad we could help
It's such a mind #@uk