+disneyinuyamon The problem is not that Vortigern deserved to die. The problem is that Nimue could not afford to do so because she had been drinking from the Grail. If Nimue wanted so much the revenge, she should have asked someone else to crush his heart.
Stephanie Pinto well every new dark one was born after they killed the previous one. except for emma. Nimue became the dark one by staining her soul with darkness while she was host to the power of the holy grail.
+Hilly Munster For me, the skin is like a "sinful" mark, related to murder and hatred. It seems like envy to Zelena and the green skin. The more the Dark One kills, hates and surrenders to the Darkness, the more the "crocodile skin" appears. Emma didn't kill anyone. In fact, she resisted the Darkness when she was proved. The first murders made by Rumple were "common murders", and he became "crocodile" after a lot of those. But Nimue killed the murderer of his family and parents. She did that, and with so much hatred, that she completed her path to the darkness in one step. I wouldn't be amazed if her heart was completely dark, as Rumple was only after 3 centuries. That's how I understand the skin appearing quickly.
+Joao Marinho while I agree with you on what you said I also like to compare it to dark side of force rot which is essentially what happened to The emperor the more dark power he used the more he looked like an ancient prune
I almost pooped on myself when i saw Vortagin's face *Barfs* But i kinda agree with Nimue on this she was kinda right when she said ''He doesnt deserve spairing ''Vortagin killed way to many people and he was about to kill Merlin im glad Nimue crushed his heart.
+Alexis Dawnpie The problem is not that Vortigern deserved to die. The problem is that Nimue could not afford to do so because she had been drinking from the Grail. If Nimue wanted so much the revenge, she should have asked someone else to crush his heart.
This is the only part of the episode that I had a problem with - didn't the apprentice say in the season four finale that the Dark One was created when Merlin tethered the darkness to a person to contain it? This scene suggests that the dark one was created when Nimue killed someone out of revenge and her heart turned dark. That's a pretty major plot loin to mess up!
+Hilly Munster I love to watch OUAT , but honestly it's packed full of those ( retcons, plot holes etc. ) Take Zelena's case for example. They made it perfectly clear in season 4 that she'd be helpless was she to lose her necklace, the one that boosted her powers greatly. Not only that she was not helpless, as she survived being shattered by Rumplestiltskin, but she has full on power back... because, well no one knows.
+Hilly Munster I'm not sure if was a plot hole. For me, it's understandable that the Apprentice didn't have the complete information. He knew Nimue, but Merlin didn't tell him everything about her since the beginning, as we can see when they first met. Besides, the Apprentice was a child that time. Would Merlin tell him everything?He wasn't there and only saw the forge of the dagger, as it's shown after. Besides, Merlin wasn't completely sincere about the Dark One's origin even in Camelot. He insisted that the first Dark One killed the woman he loved. If Emma wasn't there, she'd never know the truth. "Why didn't you tell me?". Other option is that the Apprentice was simply hiding the Merlin's secret. It's clear, by the episodes, that no one knew before that Merlin was an indirect responsible to the rising of the Darkness.
+miloradvlaovic I agree to Derin G. The origin of Zelina's power wasn't the necklace: she was born with it. The necklace, according to Glinda, would concentrate and expand Zelena's power - and without him, she was defenseless. Indeed she was: without necklace, she lost her magical powers. But when Rumple tried to kill her with a magical object (the dagger), the action enabled her magic and her lifeforce, which were in another place, the necklace - and Zelena was sent to a time before she was in Oz, and to a place where she had powers without it. There's another important detail. It was perfectly clear, when David and Snow found Glinda, that Zelena only could be completely defeated by Light Magic... The Dark One's dagger is the last object in all the realms with this quality. So, instead of killing Zelena, it actuallty made her stronger enough to break the boundary between her and her necklace - and travelling to the past.
+Joao Marinho Well that's a lot of speculation which the viewer should not be supposed to make. Assuming it was in fact so. And also , if she did lose the magickal powers which were what gave her this immunity to everything but dark magick ( which in itself is absurd, not even the Dark ones or Merlin had this "quality"; but fine, may it be so ), which was supposed to happen after losing the necklace, what would have protected her from anything really , let alone dark magick. Likewise is absurd the notion that a necklace/pendant, no matter how magickal could somehow strip her magickal powers, but since they did write it that way, they needed to follow the original plot. Hence its simply a matter of poor, incoherent writing, and Zelena's and Merlin' s case, are just a few of the examples. I love the show, and I enjoy watching it, but it'd be biased and even hypocritical of me to say its been making a whole lot of sense, pretty much ever since the season 3rd. Coherency and consistency wise, at least .
Telling the truth, I didn't like when they brought Zelena back. I love the character and I'm happy she's around - but not by returning in that way. My first thought was: "How can the dagger kill Peter Pan, but not Zelena?" However, despite that, the information that Zelena could be defeated only by Light Magic was given before. I don't think it means Zelena couldn't lose a battle to another Dark Magic's owner, as the Dark One itself. But using Dark Magic, that person was unable to "end" her, maybe due the necklace itself (that, if we recall, was originally Light Magic as well as the other necklaces from the witches of Oz, meaning West/Innocence). About this "immunity" of Zelena being something that even the Dark Ones don't have it, I sincerely don't think is odd. In season 3, it's assumed all the time that Peter Pan is someone that "all of them" must fear. Those words came from Rumple's mouth itself and he clearly feared Pan, even being the Dark One with the most time of existence, and Pan was really able to defeat him. Easily. Rumple won due strategy and intelligence, not power. So, Dark Ones are very powerful, but they can't do anything or best everyone. Now, there are holes in the plot, yes. But I see others... For example: if Zelena was weak against Light Magic, in theory, Fairies could defeat her as well. And what happened to Regina's Light Magic, which she gained in the end of season 3?
Hook didn't either. Also both emma and killian didn't change immediately because they didn't kill someoneto become the dark one. They both had darkness put in them.
noob saibot i agree. Gaining crocodile skin means succumbing to the darkness and the primary way to do so is to kill another person which is the usual way of becoming the dark one. Emma and Hook did not do that but had the darkness put in them. They did become the dark one but they need an evil deed to trigger that crocodile skin.
The normal way of being the Dark One is to kill, starting with the previous Dark One. The crocodile skin is like the green skin for Zelenna: a mark. The first, a mark of succumbing to darkness. The second, a mark of succumbing to envy. Emma and Hook didn't kill anyone: they became the Dark Ones in an unusual way. And, the most interesting thing is that Emma completed the transformation not by killing someone, but by SAVING someone's life (Hook's life). Pity that the show didn't explore that any further, but I guess it's the reason why Emma could resist the other Dark Ones' influence for so long, and Hook did not: once he was corrupted, Nimue and the previous Dark Ones were able to recruit him very easily.
bayan kurabiye She can be killed by the Dark One's dagger, just like all the other freaking Dark Ones that came after her. Like Merlin said, even immortality has it's limits.
+bayan kurabiye she's dead because if she wasn't then there would be no other Dark One, someone had to kill her with the dagger and became the second Dark One
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Despite what happened to Nimue, Vortigan truly deserved this. He was the real monster
But wasent vortigan The first awkward because you only need no magic back in the day because of the grail nobody taught him magic how does he know
+disneyinuyamon The problem is not that Vortigern deserved to die. The problem is that Nimue could not afford to do so because she had been drinking from the Grail. If Nimue wanted so much the revenge, she should have asked someone else to crush his heart.
+lpallad1 i though vortigan wassthe first dark one
Dint he have magic
@@theofficialVEVOformu Vortigan wasn’t the first dark one, it was Nimue. It is pretty clear
@@Luis29292 yeah I found out eventually
Does anyone else thinks the writers should've added Morgana Le Fay in some part of the whole Merlin's story?
David Guarderas Yeah she should’ve been the first Dark One since she was and evil sorceress
David Guarderas yes
Honestly, I believe they made Nimue the first dark one, so we wouldn’t expect that plot twist
I've seen some merlin films/read retellings where Nimue was evil and not good, so while I was disappointed, it didn't shock me
Merlin dumbass
every Dark One has succumbed to the darkness because they were hellbent on revenge, except for Emma Swan
+Anna Fowdy (Lady Lisa) and every dark one became one by killing except emma
+Lygar X we don't know that yet
Stephanie Pinto well every new dark one was born after they killed the previous one. except for emma. Nimue became the dark one by staining her soul with darkness while she was host to the power of the holy grail.
+Anna Fowdy (Lady Lisa) And Rumple. He became the dark one to save Baelfire
Sanjali04 exactly only one has succumbed to revenge that we know of.
I miss Nimue
She is way underrated. She could've played a major role when Rumple was trying to get rid of the darkness in Season 7.
how her hair changed sudenly
+Bill Cipher that annoyed me as well!! Rumple and Emma both changed gradually!!
+Hilly Munster For me, the skin is like a "sinful" mark, related to murder and hatred. It seems like envy to Zelena and the green skin.
The more the Dark One kills, hates and surrenders to the Darkness, the more the "crocodile skin" appears.
Emma didn't kill anyone. In fact, she resisted the Darkness when she was proved.
The first murders made by Rumple were "common murders", and he became "crocodile" after a lot of those.
But Nimue killed the murderer of his family and parents.
She did that, and with so much hatred, that she completed her path to the darkness in one step. I wouldn't be amazed if her heart was completely dark, as Rumple was only after 3 centuries.
That's how I understand the skin appearing quickly.
Joao Marinho oh mu gosh that's really interesting take on that!! I never noticed that before thank you :)
+Joao Marinho while I agree with you on what you said I also like to compare it to dark side of force rot which is essentially what happened to The emperor the more dark power he used the more he looked like an ancient prune
The same thing happens to Emma remember ones you embrace the darkness everything changes.
Caroline Ford is a real stunner. Its easy to see how Merlin would loose his marbles over her.
I'm crying, every single time I see Elliot Knight crying, I cry with him
I still have no idea what breaking the sword in half affects besides loosing the power to destroy dark and light magic.
I almost pooped on myself when i saw Vortagin's face *Barfs* But i kinda agree with Nimue on this she was kinda right when she said ''He doesnt deserve spairing ''Vortagin killed way to many people and he was about to kill Merlin im glad Nimue crushed his heart.
+Alexis Dawnpie I think he meant killing him would make you exactly the same as him. Now she is. If she spared him they could have locked him up.
+Alexis Dawnpie The problem is not that Vortigern deserved to die. The problem is that Nimue could not afford to do so because she had been drinking from the Grail. If Nimue wanted so much the revenge, she should have asked someone else to crush his heart.
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This is the only part of the episode that I had a problem with - didn't the apprentice say in the season four finale that the Dark One was created when Merlin tethered the darkness to a person to contain it? This scene suggests that the dark one was created when Nimue killed someone out of revenge and her heart turned dark. That's a pretty major plot loin to mess up!
+Hilly Munster I love to watch OUAT , but honestly it's packed full of those ( retcons, plot holes etc. )
Take Zelena's case for example. They made it perfectly clear in season 4 that she'd be helpless was she to lose her necklace, the one that boosted her powers greatly. Not only that she was not helpless, as she survived being shattered by Rumplestiltskin, but she has full on power back... because, well no one knows.
+Hilly Munster I'm not sure if was a plot hole. For me, it's understandable that the Apprentice didn't have the complete information.
He knew Nimue, but Merlin didn't tell him everything about her since the beginning, as we can see when they first met.
Besides, the Apprentice was a child that time. Would Merlin tell him everything?He wasn't there and only saw the forge of the dagger, as it's shown after.
Besides, Merlin wasn't completely sincere about the Dark One's origin even in Camelot. He insisted that the first Dark One killed the woman he loved.
If Emma wasn't there, she'd never know the truth. "Why didn't you tell me?".
Other option is that the Apprentice was simply hiding the Merlin's secret. It's clear, by the episodes, that no one knew before that Merlin was an indirect responsible to the rising of the Darkness.
+miloradvlaovic I agree to Derin G.
The origin of Zelina's power wasn't the necklace: she was born with it.
The necklace, according to Glinda, would concentrate and expand Zelena's power - and without him, she was defenseless.
Indeed she was: without necklace, she lost her magical powers.
But when Rumple tried to kill her with a magical object (the dagger), the action enabled her magic and her lifeforce, which were in another place, the necklace - and Zelena was sent to a time before she was in Oz, and to a place where she had powers without it.
There's another important detail.
It was perfectly clear, when David and Snow found Glinda, that Zelena only could be completely defeated by Light Magic...
The Dark One's dagger is the last object in all the realms with this quality.
So, instead of killing Zelena, it actuallty made her stronger enough to break the boundary between her and her necklace - and travelling to the past.
+Joao Marinho Well that's a lot of speculation which the viewer should not be supposed to make. Assuming it was in fact so.
And also , if she did lose the magickal powers which were what gave her this immunity to everything but dark magick ( which in itself is absurd, not even the Dark ones or Merlin had this "quality"; but fine, may it be so ), which was supposed to happen after losing the necklace, what would have protected her from anything really , let alone dark magick. Likewise is absurd the notion that a necklace/pendant, no matter how magickal could somehow strip her magickal powers, but since they did write it that way, they needed to follow the original plot.
Hence its simply a matter of poor, incoherent writing, and Zelena's and Merlin' s case, are just a few of the examples.
I love the show, and I enjoy watching it, but it'd be biased and even hypocritical of me to say its been making a whole lot of sense, pretty much ever since the season 3rd. Coherency and consistency wise, at least .
Telling the truth, I didn't like when they brought Zelena back. I love the character and I'm happy she's around - but not by returning in that way.
My first thought was: "How can the dagger kill Peter Pan, but not Zelena?"
However, despite that, the information that Zelena could be defeated only by Light Magic was given before.
I don't think it means Zelena couldn't lose a battle to another Dark Magic's owner, as the Dark One itself.
But using Dark Magic, that person was unable to "end" her, maybe due the necklace itself (that, if we recall, was originally Light Magic as well as the other necklaces from the witches of Oz, meaning West/Innocence).
About this "immunity" of Zelena being something that even the Dark Ones don't have it, I sincerely don't think is odd.
In season 3, it's assumed all the time that Peter Pan is someone that "all of them" must fear.
Those words came from Rumple's mouth itself and he clearly feared Pan, even being the Dark One with the most time of existence, and Pan was really able to defeat him. Easily. Rumple won due strategy and intelligence, not power.
So, Dark Ones are very powerful, but they can't do anything or best everyone.
Now, there are holes in the plot, yes. But I see others... For example: if Zelena was weak against Light Magic, in theory, Fairies could defeat her as well.
And what happened to Regina's Light Magic, which she gained in the end of season 3?
Why do I feel like she never loved Merlin?
I was wondering the same thing
Hannah Gleason I feel like she only loved him to gain power. Because it was so easy for her to turn on him and become the Dark One.
+Gpod Joe I just said I FELT like she didn't love him
@@deathlycynicaltv9729 I can understand how you see that but before he mentioned to the holy Grail to her she loved him and accepted his proposal
@@deathlycynicaltv9729 super late but i feel like she did love him she just wasn't content with only love
Why does every dark one change appearance immediately after becoming the dark one except Emma???
Hook didn't either. Also both emma and killian didn't change immediately because they didn't kill someoneto become the dark one. They both had darkness put in them.
noob saibot i agree. Gaining crocodile skin means succumbing to the darkness and the primary way to do so is to kill another person which is the usual way of becoming the dark one. Emma and Hook did not do that but had the darkness put in them. They did become the dark one but they need an evil deed to trigger that crocodile skin.
The normal way of being the Dark One is to kill, starting with the previous Dark One. The crocodile skin is like the green skin for Zelenna: a mark. The first, a mark of succumbing to darkness. The second, a mark of succumbing to envy. Emma and Hook didn't kill anyone: they became the Dark Ones in an unusual way. And, the most interesting thing is that Emma completed the transformation not by killing someone, but by SAVING someone's life (Hook's life). Pity that the show didn't explore that any further, but I guess it's the reason why Emma could resist the other Dark Ones' influence for so long, and Hook did not: once he was corrupted, Nimue and the previous Dark Ones were able to recruit him very easily.
Does the guy Nimue killed have power??
+Daniel Martinez No, he's ordinary.
ok her skin changed but why did she suddenly lose her earrings and get a whole new hairdo
where is nimue in storybook? dead alive or in emma mind
+bryan lam In Emma's head. She's dead because the next Dark One killed her and became the Dark One.
+Chris Jones But she is immortal, isn't she ? She drunk to cup
bayan kurabiye She can be killed by the Dark One's dagger, just like all the other freaking Dark Ones that came after her. Like Merlin said, even immortality has it's limits.
+bayan kurabiye she's dead because if she wasn't then there would be no other Dark One, someone had to kill her with the dagger and became the second Dark One
the sword is the cup. so she could destroyed and killed by that sword
I hate Emma being dark one so much
they could choose another actor... some one more beauty full ... she is the first dark one ..