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- Feel like splitting some water molecules ? This makes it easy. Plus you get to make some Brown's gas and melt things with it. NOTE: mix the chemical as shown in the instructions.
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Always add the electrolyte to water. The reason is that the reaction between NaOH or KOH and water is exothermic and it could boil if you do it the other way round. The same is true of Sulphuric acid. I taught chemistry for more than thirty years.
If you add beer... will it seperate the alcohol from the rest?
That has no chance of happening in my workshop. Beer is only added to my stomach in this region of the world ;)
Codyslab tried that, but noting bad ever happened.
As a high school science student, I was taught "if in doubt as to which you oughta, add the acid to the water" Presumably this applies to alkalis as well
Acid isn't going to cause a thermal reaction either way. This is a totally different scenario. Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu
What applies for alkalis also applies to acids......
If you pour water in concentrated acids, be ready to run...
Roy's right since he wasn't sleeping during that chemistry lesson, slowly pour acid in water...
Hi Pierre, the consensus of viewers is that I'm wrong on this The internet also agrees with you. So I stand corrected. Do as the user diagram shows and add the chemical to the water slowly. Cheers Rob
Hi Roy, it is agreed by all that you are correct. I stand corrected. Cheers Rob
No worries Rob. I just like to see things done safely
Nice, I bought a TIG welder/ plasma cutter off Banggood, now I'm eyeing up one of these units because I was wanting to use an oxyhydrogen torch and buying cylinders of O2 and H2 is cost prohibitive. I intend to use my bags of aluminium powder, water and sodium hydroxide to generate hydrogen and aluminium hydroxide that I would calcinate with the hydrogen generated to reduce it to alumina then use one of these torches with an inlet for the alumina to grow doped corundum on a seed crystal of ruby or sapphire, thankyou heaps for the video it was very informative about the product from a buyer's perspective.
Hi Luke. The product does what it says and performs at the level shown in the video. It does however have an issue when standing over time with electrolyte and bubbler fluids. There is a one way valve in the bubbler which sticks on mine and this can cause bubbler fluid to suck back into the electrolyte container and vica versa. The only way to prevent this happening is to release the electrolyte filler cap after use to eliminate any potential vacuum or pressure. Cheers Rob
CORRECTION: do as the manual says and add the electrolyte to the water slowly.
I like that it has a safety blow off valve, which works very well for flashback. Some H160 units being sold don't have this and substitute a pressure gauge, which seems a bit dangerous.
This torch would be good for freeing small frozen, rusted and Loctited bolts and shafts on models and engines. It probably has a lot of applications for very small metal work, electronics and glass work. It made short work of that tin can.
Cheers Rob
Hi there, came across this video on my suggested feed; I have been building a HHO torch for the past couple of months. As you're saying the most frustrating aspect is how small of a heating area it can actually produce as it is much too focused for glass work, this is because of the chemistry of HHO flames.
Whereas a typical flame from a hydrocarbon is an expanding flame (the atoms combine and force themselves away from each other allowing for a larger heating area) a HHO torch is (typically) a collapsing flame because the atom are effectively being stretched like an elastic band and collapsing into themselves with a lot of force producing water.
The most simple way I have found to do this is to use Potassium Acetate as the electrolyte (made from Potassium Carbonate and Acetic Acid)
Potassium Carbonate allows for almost pure Hydrogen and Oxygen (most likely to flashback, invisible/blue flame), where as Sodium Bicarb has significant CO2 and a little CO being produced which reduced the flashback chance and adds a slight yellow colour to the flame (Making it more visible).
I managed to increase the heating potential and area by using different electrolytes: adding white vinegar (acetic acid 5%) as the electrolysis of acetic acid produces ethane increasing the heating area of the flame and colouring the flame yellow(whilst slightly decreasing the upper temperature of the flame).
Had one like this.
If you put methyl alcohol with boric acid in the bubbler, you get a green flame with flux already in it.
This also spreads the BTU of the flame more evenly.
I saw a video where a guy tries to make a larger diameter HHO flame pattern by making the torch tip slightly concave. What do you think of that idea ? It seemed to have some effect, but I'm not sure what it did to the temperature. Cheers Rob
Was the vinegar the sole electrolyte or was that in addition to the hydroxide ? Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu if I remember correctly, the torch I had was a three-chamber torch the first was the electrolyte chamber, the second was packed with synthetic fiber to prevent the electrolyte from entering the torch, and the third was the flux chamber.
That's a very cool idea. I was surprised a how quick it built up the gases
That would be a very clean flame for fine work
Thanks for the video Rob
Cheers, These torches are great. I put two of them together to double the output.
I've been using blunt tip needles for very fine welding and brazing. You should get a flash-back arrestor. I've melted rocks for fun.
Have fun with your HHO tourch.
Cheers
Hi Kelly the non OEM torch I now use has a flash back arrestor built in. You definitely need one with water in the bubbler, but the metho/acetone mix I use has never flashed back. It also is non oxidising. Cheers Rob
Oxygen, hydrogen , and Chinese manufacture, are a combination I don’t want to even think about!
Hydroxy Chow Mein. No naked flames near the toilet bowl when it passes through you
Super interesting, something I had never heard of. Love that it doesn't need bottles of gas which has put me off oxy-acetylene or oxy-propane because of the cost of the cylinders although every now & then I could really do with some localised intense heat, particularly for bending & twisting steel rod. Will be super interested to see how it performs with a bigger torch. Thanks for enlightening me!
I've had one of these for a couple of years - and very good it is too (although i bought a better torch). Used for silver and brass work..... extremely good value.
I have a better torch with multiple tip sizes on the way. Cheers Rob
Can you tell me do you think it would work for me to do silver and copper jewellery making with - solder rings together? thanks, Mandy
I have one of these downstairs, in a box that I have opened just to read instructions, luckily they are also in English. So I am watching a few videos to know what to expect and you are very good a describing what to me seems to be a big failure, but you do it in a positive way, lol. I want to braze with it, create some lamp mounts, tripods, fix some bike exhausts and I have understood that I might have to get a different torch to even hope it can be half useful, and get a different bubbler or this might blow up into my face instead of helping me braze a few things with brass., lol.
It's only capable of very small work, but is useful. It is safe to use, but can blow back with only water in the bubbler. So use a metho and acetone mix in it. Also make sure to release pressure in the electrolite tank after use or it may syphon between it and the bubbler (due to a sticky valve) as things cool down. Overall I like it and use it for soldering and releasing Loctited bolts/nuts that a large torch couldn't hope to do. For the type of work you intend, I suggest look into Oxy/LPG. Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu thanks for the extra tips
As you mentioned, the tip has to be made carefully. What keeps the flame from going back into the torch is the velocity of the gas coming out. The Hydrogen Oxygen mix burns at a certain speed and will burn at a certain velocity. If the velocity of the gas through the nozzle is less than the speed of the flame-front then the torch will flash back.
This is very wrong. The rate at which oxyhydrogen burns is supersonic. Youd be hard pressed producing a high enough flow rate to overcome the flashback speed. It's actually prevented by the thermo conductivity of the torch nozzle and the use of a mesh material within the torch handle
Check to see if the metal case has voltage on it. The English instruction manual cautions against using it with wet hands. The arc welder you purchased from banggood also has a hot case. We purchased one and measured it. When we opened it we discovered that they don’t insulate the power transistors.
he already checked for the line to case bond and it showed the case earthed.
Thanks for this, I'm considering one for silver soldering and this has helped me decide. It's such a clever idea for small metal work.
Works well, is very hot, BUT is only suitable for small mass work as the BTHUs are low. Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu I've bought one, set it up today. I love it, the precise focussed heat is perfect for jewellery making. So far I've flame-cut some thin gauge copper sheet, and brazed small .8mm copper wire rings together to make a filigree pattern. I'd considered a Smith's Little Torch, but this is cheaper, and safer in operation. I really appreciate your video, thank you!
Good move. Just be sure to depressurise the system , including loosening the electrolyte filler cap, after use. The bubbler has a one way valve in it that can stick and cause it to syphon the electrolyte into the bubbler and vica versa. Just be warned that this can happen !!! Other than that it's a great unit. I'm using 75% denatured alcohol (methylated spirits) with 25% acetone and a teaspoon of Borax per litre of volume) in the bubbler. This was a receipe given to me by a retired jeweller. No flashback. Enjoy. Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu Useful tips, thank you!
Really interesting contraption. Thanks for sharing.
Impressive flame temp Rob... could be most useful for small scale jobs. Jewelry making comes to mind for one thing.
Hi Chris, I've asked for the optional up market torch BG have for this with various/larger jet sizes. The main use for this unit is jewelry, but I can see other options if the flame size can be increased. It made short work of that tin can bottom - damn hot flame. Sort of satisfying to see it burn through steel. Cheers Rob
Thanks for showing this Rob, I never knew such a tool existed! Fascinating stuff 👍👍 Cheers, Alan.
Hi Alan, I thought you would be pretty interested. I only stumbled across this by accident while looking for something else (oxygen concentrator) on BG.
I have a better torch with built in flash back arrestor on the way for the next review. Even though the bubbler stops any major explosion occuring, I will be happier with an in line pre unit arrestor as well ( You can actually make them easily). Plus the additional torch tip sizes will make the unit more useful.
Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu Hi Rob, looking forward to the follow up video then 🙂👍 Cheers, Alan.
Get the Smith little torch, it is rated for hydrogen or LP or acetylene. Tips from a #1 with synthetic sapphire orifice up to small rose buds and other wide pattern flames can be bought, the cheaper knock off units work ok but the adjustment controls suck... Very abrupt and not at all smooth or linear in control. Also the gtt yellow jacket is extremely stable
Love your real time, slow pace videos and the topics that you cover. Thank you mate. bty, what is your name please ? Anthony.
Glad you enjoy it! Cheers Rob
Mine came with like four tips?
I used to use one of those machines that took MEK and on occasion, especially if the power went off, there would be an almighty bang, like a shotgun going off. It used to scare the bejeezus out of me! You would have expected the machine to be blown apart but you just switched it back on and it would work normally. I'm deffo going to get one of these!
Hi Alan, no such antics with this one. It will however flashback on shutdown if you use water in the bubbler, dead set certainty, but with the acetone and metho mix it has never happened. Cheers Rob
hi , very cool , do you think there is a way to hook it up in a car ?
Bet you could but it wud run hot hot hot🔥 probably end up welding engine, fuel system wud need modification
Was thinking the same... You tried it?
Does it have stainless steel electrolyzer plates? Does the electrolyzer make much iron sludge in the reservoir?
I don't know what the plates are made of. I suspect it would be SS the same as the cylinder. I don't see why the manufacturer would use plain steel as there is no point/gain in doing that. I flushed the cylinder out once as there was some discoloration occuring. Cheers Rob
Do you refill this by adding plain distilled water or do you refill with the same electrolyte mixture...
I leave the electrolyte mix/liquid in the tank all the time. When it gets very discoloured I change it with a new mix of the correct ratio. I always release the filler cap after use to avoid any syphon/pressure differential effect between the main tank and the bubbler (which can contaminate either). This occurs because the valve in the bubbler gets sticky and dosen't work as it should.
2:54 Actually it's a Chinese plug.... which happens to be identical to Australian plugs except the cord comes out at the top of the plug for some unknown reason.
John O those Chinese plugs are a buggar you need to flip the switch on before plugging into the socket
Interesting little unit Rob .. ENJOYED !!
Hi Shawn, I was actually browsing Banggood for an oxygen accumulator (similar to yours) when I saw this. They do have an oxygen accumulator as well.
So as I don't have an oxy/lpg set at the moment, I thought what the hell, lets check this gadget out and see what it can do. I thought it was pretty interesting.
Some people even sniff this gas as it's supposed to have magical health benefits (LOL).
Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu yea , I bet it just blows there mind..LOL..
Wear hearing protection when using the torch. Hydrogen can be loud.
Can you turn the torch tip around in relation to the torch valve handle? I've used a b-tank for years and prefer having quick finger control of the valve.
A tiny rosebud tip would be nice.
The torch tip can be rotated in relation to the torch body.
I wouldn't really want to put acitone in my flame arrester I recon youd get a nice flamethrower out the blowoff valve
It's a worry.
@@Xynudu Seems it worked thou
as a jeweler i used a similar unit, it burns hot and clean, the flame is very hot. there is definitely a learning curve with that, though.
Hi David, Did you wear any sort of eye filter/UV protection with it ? Also did tip/jet nose profile have any effect on flame pattern (eg concave versus the regular flat end) ?
Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu i only used uv protection with platinum, so if you're welding steel, steel rules would apply. for brass, silver, gold i only used safety glasses, or my opti-visor. i only used the flat ended tips so i couldn't tell you if concave would make a difference. i do know that if the unit works properly you will enjoy it and find lots of use for it. iw ill repeat that there is a learning curve, particularly if you're used to oxy- fuel torches. post some updates when you can. i looked at the price of that machine and i was astounded!!! they were VERY expensive when i first started using them. enjoy. dave.
Thanks for the info Dave.
@@Xynudu you're welcome.
I have used a version of this tool for some 25 years and the thing that I have to mention is that you do not adjust the flame with the control knob. You always use a different size tip. On the Johnson Matthey machine you used cut down luer lock needles to get the different flame sizes. Methanol was my modifier solvent of choice for temperature. Clean the machine on a regular basis, depending upon use. Enjoy.
If you don’t mind me asking.... What did you use the machine primarily for?
@@SWhite-hp5xq Firstly for sealing very small pyrex capillaries 5mm high by 2.5mm outside diameter. the bottom 3mm was held at liquid nitrogen temperature. Later for making specialised thermocouple sets by welding. In between general silver soldering and welding. A very versatile tool to be honest. Oh and the glass blowers borrowed it now and again to make gold contacts and pass throughs. The biggest things I've done were silver solder the buffer bodies to the back plates for a 5"G steam loco, in steel. no problem using the largest jet.
The point of the flame is the hottest point
Not necessarily. It depends upon the type of fuel and the torch burner used. Eg a standard LPG torch burns hottest at the tip, but a Bullfinch LPG torch is hottest well back from the tip.
Using Oxy /hydrogen as shown in the video is generally hottest well back from the flame tip. You can see this as the jet/tip moves in closer to the metal - eg. melting the tin can clearly shows this. Cheers Rob
Most of the brazing I do is of items that are too thick for the kind of heat this thing produces. I can see it being quite handy for jewellery makers though. The cheapest way I can run an effective torch for my requirements is to use a propane/oxy mix. Most bottles for industrial gases require a yearly rent here in the UK, plus the charge. So if I can cut the cost in 1/2 by replacing acetylene with propane, it's all good :)
Great video Rob, received mine today and as you say great little machine. Unfortunately it came without the bottle of electrolite so hoping you could please let me know what I nead to buy and maybe best place to buy it. Thanks again for all your help. Regards Merv
Hi Merv, you will need to get some calcium hydroxide. Google for that in your state. It's about $20 for 500 grams, which will last you for ages. You can also use sodium hydroxide (caustic soda), but that is not as effective and will cause buildup and sludge in the unit, so avoid that. You can buy calcium hydroxide off of Ebay. Cheers Rob
i put %100 acetone in bubbler , trying to weld steel but somehow found its way into machine so i had to flush it out , any luck welding steel with anything other than acetylene? back to 1/3 acetone 2/3 alchole
I only use it to heat metal. I've never tried to weld steel with it, but I have managed to bronze braze very small steel with it. Regarding the bubbler liquid getting into the HHO generator and visaversa, this can happen if the valve in the bubbler gets gummy/sticks. It only happens when the unit cools down after use. I ALWAYS release the pressur of the HHO tank slowly with the filler cap (it's very low pressure) after use to prevent this happening. Make sure to have no naked flame if you do this.
I would fit a in line-flashback between the torch and the booster/bubbler . those chinese units don't have any in the torch handles.
Agreed. You can easily make one using stainless steel wool. Very low tech. Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu how would steel wool actually stop a flash back when the feed gases are already premixed from the machine? Short of a bubbler or other sort of gaped arrestor browns gas doesn't very well stop when it flashed back into the torch body or hose
Hi Josh, from what I've read, the heat transfer/loss into the steel wool (or granules) lowers the flame temperature to a point where it goes out, even though it has it's own oxygen supply. Sounds logical to me. Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu fair enough, I just couldn't wrap my head around how it would work but with that bit of logic, I can see how it might be possible for that to arrest the flashback. Thanks for the response
It's possible to weld inox steel with this?
What format of welding are you talking about ?
That is very interesting. I didn't know something like this even existed. If it could do bronze brazing, that would be a perfect shop torch because there wouldn't be any gas to buy.
They do make larger commercial sized units, but of course that would be a lot more expensive. Cheers Rob
When brazing tip size means everything
15:24 I'm not sure blowing flammable gas under a electronics box that's pulling 15amps is such a great idea.
Did you see any explosion when I lit a match ? Of course not.
@@Xynudu
I was only expressing concern for your safety.
But geez what a stupid thing to say.
I can just imagine you playing Russian Roulette..
"I've pulled the trigger 5 times so it must be perfectly safe" (pulls trigger a 6th time....and...BANG!)
To clarify the issue - the gas flow from the torch is so low and is diluted so much by the atmosphere that any chance of an explosion is extremely unlikely. Same situation as using oxy/ acet where you also vent the torch before lighting to prevent flashback. All clear now ?
I have one of these the output pressure is too high it keep blowing my solder off my soldering pad like a leaf blower. Do you know of a fix for this? second question, I have heard of people using denatured alcohol and borax in the front bottle which changes the color of the flame so it can be seen. Do you know anything about this?
Turn down the hand torch gas flow for a smaller flame and reduce output pressure. I ise denatured alcohol, acetone and Borax in the bubbler. Works best and won't blow back.
@@Xynudu I had it where it barely lit and it still acts like a leaf blower with the solder chips on the pad.
I don't use it for that type of work, so I can't help you on this.
@@Xynudu I am a jeweler, and you did help me, with the denat alcohol, acetone, borax in the bottle tip, it also got me to look closer at the machine somehow I over filled it. I will fix that today.
Always add your acids to the water. The water cools the acid and reaction is minimal and any splash is water. The other way around is as dangerous as you can get. The thermal reaction is extreme as the initial reaction is not cooled as the volume of water is small and unable to keep up with the thermal runaway.
Do not used acid..!! Because of the byproduct reaction chain gives us _"an unwanted"_ gas. i.e. Cl2 or SO-3. These gases are _"toxic"_ for your _"lung"._
how much approximately does it cost to run per hr?
I can't give an exact figure as it uses such a small amount of electrolyte and electricity. Extremely cheap to run.
You cost me a fortune Rob. I end up buying ask these bloody Banggood toys. !
It's a worry ;)
@xynudu Sir, how much is the welding machine price?
Does it melt copper?
Only small diameter wire. You can't melt and cast with it.
Interesting machine, wondering what long term maintenance involves, how durable would it be...???
Apparently the tank needs a clean/flush out after long term use. I'm not sure what that involves. Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu Guess we'll find out, like you shown this produces a clean tiny hot flame for micro works. A while ago I got myself a 10 liters per minute oxygen concentrator, this does great even with quite bigger torches, cost is way higher than this cute little unit, though...
Hi Pierre, I was actually looking at oxygen concentrators when I spotted this on BG. They do have a 5 lpm concentrator that looks interesting, but is in the $400 AU dollar range..
I have been considering buying an oxy/lpg brazing kit for a long time as it is now reasonably cost effective given you don't have to rent the cylinders any more in Oz. The Bullfinch LPG torch is great but sometimes I want to do larger jobs and it struggles or is too much for it.
I will probably eventually buy a set and then investigate using a concentrator.
Very interesting subject. Brazing is a mostly neglected skill these days. Bit sad.
Always learning ;)
Cheers Rob
@@pierresgarage2687 long time no see how r u & O2 concentrator video perhaps?
Where i can get this type of pressure switch any model no or any link to buy this pressure switch please reply
Search Ebay and Amazon for H160.
Note on bubbler. Yes it prevents a flash back from going back to a larger open volume, but it also removes electrolyte mist from the gas stream. You don't want potassium or sodium mist on metals such as aluminum.
Using a hydrocarbon in the bubbler does lower the flame temperature, but it also consumes more oxygen creating a reducing flame. Reducing flame means low oxygen content. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizing_and_reducing_flames
It doesn't have an Australian plug on it. That's a Chinese plug, has the long earth tine. So the Australian compliant plug has plastic skin for half the Active/Neutral tines, was brought in after people burnt down their homes more then 10 years ago. That dodgy plug converter is also illegal in Oz. also looks like the machine casing was bent out of the box. You sprucing?
Hello! I was wondering if you would recommend KOH or NaOH as an electrolyte? I'm not too sure the differences, but I thought I heard somewhere that KOH is cleaner than NaOH.
I only use Calcium Hydroxide (CaOH) as it works well and stays reasonably clean. It's what the manufacturer supplies. Sodium Hydroxide will go a dark colour same as Potassium Hydroxide. None of these chemicals are very expensive. The conductivity factor is similar and depends mainly upon the % used.
@@Xynudu Wow that is great to know! How would you clean this, if you were using KOH or NaOH?
Rinse it out with clean water.
I am very impressed with this unit Rob do you know anything about the warranty period is it 3 months like some Chinese manufactured goods or is it 12 months any help would be greatly appreciated
I have no idea of the warranty period.
@@Xynudu i will get in touch with banggood Rob its not really worth it if it only lasts a few months i have a few projects to be doing so i need something that's going to be reliable
If you use 850 grams of water and 150 grams of electrolyte your ration will be off.
150 grams/850 grams = 17.6%
If you keep to the 1000 grams of water with the 150 grams of electrolyte it will be at 15%
150 grams/1000 grams = 15%
That is most likely why the tank holds 1.6 liters it takes into account the addition of the electrolyte.
Not the end of the world, just slightly wasteful if you can get 150 ml more solution per unit of electrolyte.
Good point.
HI, really interesting video - and lots of great comments from people. Do you think this would be good for soldering jewellery made of silver and copper? Or would it not be a fluffy enough flame to heat enough area for long enough?
It should be OK. It's made for jewellery and similar units are widely used in the industry. The flame length and size can be adjusted. It is NOT a fluffy flame pattern, so it's pin point heating. You will have to keep the flame moving. For workshop brazing a softer flame is better. I can't comment on what you require for jewellery as that's not something I do. Cheers Rob
my amperage does not rise from 0, why should it?
It definitely should, provided you have added an electrolyte to the distilled water. It won't rise or make gas without the correct electrolyte.
hi there Xunudu.Enjoyed the video and believe that the HHO160 is just what I need for my jewelry work.So no sooner finished with the video than I went looking on the Bangood site.
All I could find was medical grade Oxygen generators.As it is less than a year since you posted the video it comes as a surprise that a highly praised bit of kit was discontinued.Or is the Bangood site just rubbish??
Banggood sold out and have apparently decided not to re-stock. Maybe sales weren't high enough or the price became too high. The site continually changes items it has for sale. Cheers Rob
The heat is for huge cause amper in cell...that need a heat exchanger like radiador stainless circulation off the water and a fan....like in garage carbon cleaning machines for cars.
Perfect for brazing small brass and copper. Cheap as sin to keep around since it's just water to fuel it
Great video thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Can this be used as a carbon clean to exit exhaust
Good question Shaun. I have never tried burning out carbon build up, but I expect it would, on small jobs. The flame temperature is extremely high (oxy/acet levels). So it may do the job on small two stroke ports and such. Carbon acts as an insulator and it remains to be seen how effective it would be, given the size of the flame. Cheers Rob
Thanks for showing me the H160 as I hadn't come across this before. Q. How could this be scaled up? What if you simply had two or more units delivering a larger single nozzle?
Hi Anthony, I'm sure you could scale it up quite easily. The gas generator is very simple. All you would need to do is multiply the pairs of electrodes (cathode/anode) and the power supply amperage. A single unit is 300 watt.
You could also use multiple units in parallel with a single universal gas outlet. Cheers Rob
Were did you purchase this at?
Banggood
Can you try to flamebraze aluminium with it? That would be a killer app for model builders.
Try Harbor Freight Alumiweld.
could it be used for welding 0.8 mm car body sheet metal?
No.
Gday Rob, well I’ve never heard of these machines before, very interesting, very clean sharp flame, I think your right, get rid of the poverty pack torch and get the flash model and it would make the world of difference, if you get the new torch it would be interesting to see how you go heating up steel to bend, I know it won’t be thick stuff but I’m thinking if your making small brackets it could be a really good thing, thanks for the awesome video, Matty
Hi Matty, I've put in a request for the super duper torch, so we will see what happens.
Drilling out the jet didn't end well as I think I went too big (0.95 mm) using the smallest jet drill I have. The jet shape could also be wrong. It will be interesting to see what flame Bthu's I can get out of it. Fun toy anyway and potentially useful for freeing up small bolts etc.
Cheers Rob
I would have loved to see if it could silver solder say 1/4 copper pipe or 1/2 inch.
It might do 1/4" but I think that would be it.
xynudu ok thanks for feedback
Interesting, but not usable for metal. The flame oxidizes everything at this mixing ratio.
Depends on the type of metal.
You shouldn't weld iron or steel because of the hydrogen embrittlement problem.
视频做得很棒，great job
多謝。. 方便小焊接和钎焊. 干杯罗伯
Are these used to clean carbon on engines too?
No.
Do you have 50hz or 60hz power in AU? Does it say what frequency it works with? We have 60hz in US, but I know Europe is 50hz. Some devices I've seen these days will work with either.
It's 240 volt 50 hz in Oz. There is no mention anywhere of the voltage frequency (on box, machine, handbook, etc). It just says 200 - 240 volt AC. I would expect it to run at either frequency, but that's not a definite given. Cheers Rob
Cheers Rob, great review , and a bqrgain price , I bet
you will have great fun using it , The price is amazing , have been using similar units for years and they cost over a grand .
Great for small fine work, and very intense , so enjoy experimenting . Knowing you , you will find a few new tricks and ways around
Its limitations. For the larger heat robbing surface , it will struggle. Propane / oxygen with a multi hole nozzle tip is still your best man,
Cheers Rob , envy you with that bargain unit
Hi Colum, it's amazing how it burns through a steel can in an instant, but brass and copper with much higher heat conductivity/loss fair much better.
I've spent all morning playing around with it to see what it can do. Should be good for fiddly soldering where an iron can't be used - eg sweating small objects/pipes together. So it has some model work capability. Extra tip sizes will be a plus. Cheers Rob
To generate the equivalent oxygen-hydrogen flame of a one-centimetre tall cigarette lighter flame - required me 350 Watt of energy input to the electrolytic cell.
The entire gas-generator setup is extremely inefficient; but it can be essential if you don't have access to an industrial source of oxygen and acetylene. Maybe this generator can be of help to a jeweller who need a cutting flame for very small pieces of precious metals. For such miniature jobs, hydrogen is superior to acetylene.
Interesting gadget but I don't know what I would do with one.
Cook a sausage very slowly ;)
Bro, when I soldered my van {plumbing} I had to borrow my fathers oxy due to that when I got to a network the Bernz-o-matic didn’t have the heat !
Kolin Evans Use the yellow bottles of MAP gas, not the blue if you need more heat.
What if h2O2 (3% hydrogen peroxide) added to the system?
It's a chinese power plug - 180 degrees different from australian (ie the earth pin is at the top)
G’day Rob, thanks for reviewing and sharing. At present I don’t see a need for it but hey it might be good for jewellery work.
I see you have caused a stir in the comments, well done and I do agree with 1, hydrogen oxygen and Chinese and at such a low price point, what could go wrong:-) Stay safe and have fun, see you maybe 💣 in your next video.
Cheers
Peter
He He. What could possibly go wrong Peter :) So far so good and it handles serious flash back no problem.
Some other versions of the H160 I've seen have a pressure gauge where the blow off valve is, looks pretty but goodness knows what happens when it flashes back - probably blows the bubbler bowl off. LOL
Cheers Rob
Rob you always add acid to water as this makes maximum dilution (a weak solution ) and the more acid you add the higher the specific gravity
Hi Tim, the consensus of viewers is that I'm wrong on this The internet also agrees with you. So I stand corrected. Do as the user diagram shows and add the chemical to the water slowly. Cheers Rob
See the machine inside...and measure all...
Informative
Ok as long as you do small projects not very big ...
Im sorry but you are dangerously wrong here. You do not want to add water to hydroxide crystals. Doing so will heat the little bit of water on the crystals potentially causing it to boil sputter and spew alkaline hydroxide water drops everywhere. Instead, slowly add hydroxide crystals to a container of water. The water's relatively large thermal mass will absorb the heat generated and slow the rise in temperature to a rate that you can control and prevent boiling and sputtering of caustic fluids.
Hi Keith, the consensus of viewers is that I'm wrong on this The internet also agrees with you. So I stand corrected. Do as the user diagram shows and add the chemical to the water slowly. Cheers Rob
i want to get one now.
Would it be useful for butt welding 4mm Aluminum plate?
No. The heat loss would be too great. Even though flame temperature is very high, the number of Bthu is very low. I tried it on aluminium and it didn't even melt it. Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu Ok cheers.
HHO/Browns gas burns at a temperature of 130⁰C yet it can vaporiser Tungsten.
Your flame temperature is totally wrong. The amount of heat energy released is independent of the mode of combustion, but the temperature of the flame varies. The maximum temperature is about 2,800 °C (5,100 °F). The H160 unit can easily achieve this.
xynudu Ive seen it demonstrated. Its kind of a known fact among researchers who do experiments with this technology.
xynudu Its not the heat that vaporises the tungsten. Its the electrons. The electron clusters. The EVOs.
It burns at over 2000 C. I don't know where you got 130 C from. LOL
xynudu Have you measured it yourself or are you just getting the temperature from a book?
Inquiring minds want to know:
Can you fill balloons, and will they float?
Yes and yes. They also go boom when lit ;)
good vid ,shame you didn't open it up.
Did wonder about brazing cycle frames with this, but no it's not up to the job it's more for finer work. Saved me buying the wrong thing.
Hi Lez, yes you will need something much more powerful for cycle frames - oxy/LPG should do it well. Cheers Rob
nice , already made
cool , great
NOT AN AUSTRALIAN PLUG! Australian & Chinese plugs appear to be the same, but Active & Neutral are reversed.
Perfect
Please don't use the term "Brown's Gas", Rob. It's a torch running off a stoichiometric mix of oxygen and hydrogen generated by electrolysis of water, nothing more. The amount of pseudo-science bullshittery attached to "Brown's Gas" is amazing.
The little pop-off valve on the bubbler worries me, too, knowing the speed flames propagate in a stoichiometric HHO mix. When bubblers flash back, they usually simply blow the top off; at worst, if the valve doesn't relieve pressure fast enough, you have a small bomb there. Better than the usual DIY glass jar fragmentation grenade, though.
Soooo... Brown's gas is *not* water electrolysis into a hydrogen and oxygen stoichiometric mix?
Chinese plug , earth at the top over there. check the active . i had a PCB reflow with the active and neutral swapped.
you must life next door to banged up..how do you manage to get undamaged goods delivered?
..Never again for me after 3 fails..thanks for the machine tips though
Australia Post doesn't get up to the antics I've seen in videos from other countries (USA) where they treat parcels like basket balls. LOL. And you wonder why they get dented ? Cheers Rob
@@Xynudu i beg to differ mate..im in gladstone qld..3 machines purchased with insurance paid and all 3 arrived damaged with no avenue of replacement unless i covered freight to china..not a happy tig or plasms camper i can tell you..
OK now I'm with you. I can rarely tell where viewers are from in comments. I assumed it was the USA drop kick delivery service at work ;)
That's bad luck or maybe your delivery guy is a bit rough. I get a lot of parcels from BG (obviously) and nothing has ever arrived with damage. The box may be a bit beat up at times, but the items are always intact.
I was expecting this unit to possibly arrive damaged as I have seen another video where it arrived dented, and it is a large easily damaged item, but as shown in the video, I was genuinely surprised it made it here OK.
Luck of the draw.
Cheers Rob
Ha Ha. There you go. Dents included from the factory at no extra charge. Bargain ;)
uses a vacuum pump, low power consumption produces a lot of hho
I want one , I want one ... awsoeme tool.
Fill a ballon Fill a ballon Fill a ballon!
Makes for a nice explosion when you light it ;) Of course I would never do anything like that.
Perfect for jewelry & chains
Cool ..or hot toy Rob. I don't need one but I want one😁
It brings out the destructive element in us. What could be better than burning holes in metal tin can bottoms just because you can ? Cheers Rob
Texas start up
can't weld with it, can cut out a hole in a coke can.
this is too difficult and technical >>>.Not suitable to normal person >>>> From where to buy all these tools ? And: what is the Real benefit of all of this????????????????????
This unit is just made for jewelry working. Just not enough heat for brazing the two metal rods show low temperature. The brazing rod just was a limp drop onto the top part of the steel rods. How about you get a unit that can really do the job. Not a tezzing unit. Just saying fella.
As I said in the video, I have a powerful brazing torch (Bullfinch) already and do a lot of brazing. Pay attention fella.
@@Xynudu I am sorry fella, as they say MY BAD comes to mind. Please spare me from the gallows.