As I own these cables and have compared them to so many things, I don't believe there are a better set of speaker cables than these. It's nice to see how they actually measure.
Nice measurement setup. I missed in the video the scales so now and then. Please make sure that every measurement you present both the vertical and horizontal axis with their scale and units are clearly visible. Impedance measurement doesn't matter if the frequency axis with the units isn't visible
Very interesting and impressive results. Thanks very much much as usual. Myself and obviously tens of thousands of other people very much appreciate your efforts. You’d think measuring cables would be extremely boring, but maybe it’s not because of the 2 camps with extreme beliefs regarding cables, I think that also makes it interesting. I personally have absolutely heard differences in cables (good or bad), and people can say whatever they want, but I know what I heard. Telling me otherwise is almost gaslighting. While, it’s usually very subtle, to say someone can’t hear a difference is like saying, “hey, you think you have a mosquito buzzing around your ear, but I don’t believe it’s there. You’re hallucinating a mosquito buzzing around. I don’t believe that you can hear it, so it doesn’t exist”:
@@TheAlphaAudio100% Absolutely! I find it fascinating. I’ve done somewhat similar tests with capacitors and resistors, but nowhere near as deeply as you’ve gone with your cable research. Keep up the fantastic work. It really is appreciated. Thank you
Being able to measure a difference doesn't imply being able to hear a difference (at all). We humans can measure ultrasonic sound, radiation and so on without being able to directly hear/feel/sense anything (until you "crank up the power" and destroy the cells/body of course), meaning: We have very powerful test and measurement equipment, in most areas superior to human sensory organs, which are very limited e. g. in frequency range as demonstrated before. As long as we haven't established that you can distinguish between two setups in a scientifically sound manner no meaningful statement can be made - neither that you *can't* hear the difference, nor that you *can*. And for such a discussion it doesn't matter that you are firmly convinced that you can hear a difference. Having said that, nobody reasonable would say that there aren't two different cables between which you can hear a difference. Take a) a poor cable with a DC resistance of 1 Ohm and b) a better (or shorter) one with a DC resistance of 0.1 Ohm, connected to a 4 ohm nominal impedance speaker. At DC, the speaker sees a) 80% of the voltage at the amp, b) 97.6%. Or in other words a) 64% of the power and b) 95%. It is likely that you can here a difference between 64% and 95% of the power. Depending on the spectrum of the music one would reasonably expect that different parts of the audible frequency spectrum have a different amplitude ("voltage") and therefore are attenuated differently, possibly coloring the music. (And although audio is basically DC, it's obviously not DC if you look really closely, so there will be rather minor changes in the frequenecy response too - as can also be seen in this video.) What "deniers" would then argue is that you will be able to hear differences when the difference of electrical parameters are large enough. What is large enough? Well... As always you will have diminishing returns, leading most people with a strong understanding of the physics behind all this to conclude that paying 22k for speaker cables is not recommendable. Many will agree that these cables look cool though, I think ;)
I would love to know how ATLAS and Morrow Audio cables test because they are definitely audible. Where it may matter most is in the particular audio system that it is used...I think the word is synergy. Cheers!
The cable costs $22,000. These cable tests make me think that it would be a good idea to use two "small" monoamplifiers that were very close to the speakers so that the speaker cables hardly alter the sound which is what Leo (Orchard) proposes: Orchard Audio - Starkrimson Mono Ultra Premium LPS - Limited Edition
@@TheAlphaAudio Is it better to use say longer interconnects between pre and power than a long speaker cable? Example i use 1m interconnects between pre and power and 3m biwire speaker cables.
You actually proved the opposite point that the one you are trying to make, I think. You can measure phase shift at nanosecond level, that’s remarkable.
@ I mentioned this on Hans bezkhuizen his channel as well, actually trough his channel I came to yours. Allow me to explain, our brain neurons operate on millisecond scales, so significant adaptations would be required to process nano or picosecond-level data (Hans referred to this) . If our brain could pickup signals at nano or picosecond level, it would be overwhelmed by an enormous amount of information. Our cognitive systems are not evolved to process information at such a rapid rate, so most of it will be filtered out. If in theory this would even be possible, the perception of time would feel dramatically different. As a neuroscientist I found it intriguing that both Hans and yourself focus so much on the technical side (networking and Information technology) while probably also could find an expanation of what you hear by studdiing neuroscience and human psychology in processing auditory information. Does it make sense?
I am demoing an XLR cable from QSA , lower model , and am blown away how it saturate the color of sound , super impressed with the timber and details , not sure how i will return it , wish the price was little bit lower
I am comparing three very good cables here. Check our other series about cables. Sometimes differences are more than 1dB. I bet you can here that as a mastering engineer. Also: frequency response is just one aspect. Phase, timing, noise are other aspects that play a role.
Great work , love the cable series , it show how cables do matter
As I own these cables and have compared them to so many things, I don't believe there are a better set of speaker cables than these. It's nice to see how they actually measure.
@@rfoliente1 lucky you!
So many cables, so many opinions. The reality is that nobody tests them all. If you find what suits you(r taste) enjoy😊
@@nirodha35 true
I really like geeking out to content like this.
Well done !
@@writemeanovel welcome!
Thank you for your hard work Jaap.
Great stuff. Keep it coming. Would love to see measurements for the Silversmith audio Fidelium speaker cables.
Nice measurement setup. I missed in the video the scales so now and then. Please make sure that every measurement you present both the vertical and horizontal axis with their scale and units are clearly visible. Impedance measurement doesn't matter if the frequency axis with the units isn't visible
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Facts over fiction, I love your channel.
@@Bigirondoug Thanks.
Very interesting and impressive results. Thanks very much much as usual. Myself and obviously tens of thousands of other people very much appreciate your efforts. You’d think measuring cables would be extremely boring, but maybe it’s not because of the 2 camps with extreme beliefs regarding cables, I think that also makes it interesting.
I personally have absolutely heard differences in cables (good or bad), and people can say whatever they want, but I know what I heard. Telling me otherwise is almost gaslighting. While, it’s usually very subtle, to say someone can’t hear a difference is like saying, “hey, you think you have a mosquito buzzing around your ear, but I don’t believe it’s there. You’re hallucinating a mosquito buzzing around. I don’t believe that you can hear it, so it doesn’t exist”:
@@NickP333 Research on cables is not boring at all! There is a lot to discover.
@@TheAlphaAudio100% Absolutely! I find it fascinating. I’ve done somewhat similar tests with capacitors and resistors, but nowhere near as deeply as you’ve gone with your cable research. Keep up the fantastic work. It really is appreciated. Thank you
Being able to measure a difference doesn't imply being able to hear a difference (at all). We humans can measure ultrasonic sound, radiation and so on without being able to directly hear/feel/sense anything (until you "crank up the power" and destroy the cells/body of course), meaning: We have very powerful test and measurement equipment, in most areas superior to human sensory organs, which are very limited e. g. in frequency range as demonstrated before. As long as we haven't established that you can distinguish between two setups in a scientifically sound manner no meaningful statement can be made - neither that you *can't* hear the difference, nor that you *can*. And for such a discussion it doesn't matter that you are firmly convinced that you can hear a difference.
Having said that, nobody reasonable would say that there aren't two different cables between which you can hear a difference. Take a) a poor cable with a DC resistance of 1 Ohm and b) a better (or shorter) one with a DC resistance of 0.1 Ohm, connected to a 4 ohm nominal impedance speaker. At DC, the speaker sees a) 80% of the voltage at the amp, b) 97.6%. Or in other words a) 64% of the power and b) 95%. It is likely that you can here a difference between 64% and 95% of the power. Depending on the spectrum of the music one would reasonably expect that different parts of the audible frequency spectrum have a different amplitude ("voltage") and therefore are attenuated differently, possibly coloring the music. (And although audio is basically DC, it's obviously not DC if you look really closely, so there will be rather minor changes in the frequenecy response too - as can also be seen in this video.)
What "deniers" would then argue is that you will be able to hear differences when the difference of electrical parameters are large enough. What is large enough? Well...
As always you will have diminishing returns, leading most people with a strong understanding of the physics behind all this to conclude that paying 22k for speaker cables is not recommendable. Many will agree that these cables look cool though, I think ;)
After testing so many cables, how you figured out a recipe for the ultimate speaker cable , power and interconnects? :-)
@@ac81017 low, low, low impedance... For speaker cables and power cables. For interconnects it is more complex.
I would love to know how ATLAS and Morrow Audio cables test because they are definitely audible. Where it may matter most is in the particular audio system that it is used...I think the word is synergy. Cheers!
The cable costs $22,000.
These cable tests make me think that it would be a good idea to use two "small" monoamplifiers that were very close to the speakers so that the speaker cables hardly alter the sound which is what Leo (Orchard) proposes: Orchard Audio - Starkrimson Mono Ultra Premium LPS - Limited Edition
@@matytinman we already said that is a far better idea. Keep the speaker cables as short as possible.
Anas informs that 3.5m is an optimal length for this cable.
@@TheAlphaAudio Is it better to use say longer interconnects between pre and power than a long speaker cable? Example i use 1m interconnects between pre and power and 3m biwire speaker cables.
@@ac81017 absolutely... 100%!!!
@@TheAlphaAudio Good to know :-) Keep up the good work.
good video :)
anyone done some testing on bandwidth limits.
for example my main speakers i high passed at 180hz, would that improve the cable?
You actually proved the opposite point that the one you are trying to make, I think. You can measure phase shift at nanosecond level, that’s remarkable.
@@ElenaKaury not really following...
@ I mentioned this on Hans bezkhuizen his channel as well, actually trough his channel I came to yours. Allow me to explain, our brain neurons operate on millisecond scales, so significant adaptations would be required to process nano or picosecond-level data (Hans referred to this) . If our brain could pickup signals at nano or picosecond level, it would be overwhelmed by an enormous amount of information. Our cognitive systems are not evolved to process information at such a rapid rate, so most of it will be filtered out. If in theory this would even be possible, the perception of time would feel dramatically different. As a neuroscientist I found it intriguing that both Hans and yourself focus so much on the technical side (networking and Information technology) while probably also could find an expanation of what you hear by studdiing neuroscience and human psychology in processing auditory information. Does it make sense?
Ups, $22000 for 2.5m pair. At least price is justified by measurments.
I am demoing an XLR cable from QSA , lower model , and am blown away how it saturate the color of sound , super impressed with the timber and details , not sure how i will return it , wish the price was little bit lower
@@hassabsaeed9993 nice!
You can hear 0.05 db? I’m a mastering engineer and I can’t hear that gain matched at any reasonable Q
I am comparing three very good cables here. Check our other series about cables. Sometimes differences are more than 1dB. I bet you can here that as a mastering engineer. Also: frequency response is just one aspect. Phase, timing, noise are other aspects that play a role.