Face The Nation | Spotlight on the Statement of Intent as GNU talks continue
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- The constitution of the seventh administration has encountered delays as the signatories of the Statement of Intent struggle to find each other.
These consultations are guided by the State of Intent (SOI), which IS BINDING the 10 political parties who signed it.
Since his inauguration, all the Executive power has rested with President Cyril Ramaphosa. ANC NEC Member Ronald Lamola says the recent demands cabinet positions by the DA are outrageous
And MK party is now officially in parliament under the leadership of Dr John Hlophe. MK Party MP Andile Mngxitama says they will never work with the ANC of Ramaphosa.
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They rushed to announce the results of the elections but can't announce the cabinet. What are the markets and the Rand saying now
When did the rand talk?
my question exactly, we were told that the markets prefer a DA, ANC coalition or GNU. ziyakhala manje, baphi
You sound smart, let me zoom my camera 🤔
Read! There is administration law taking place here.
@@AndrewMcFarlane_1 When did you become stupid?
We need more journalists like Clement. He asks hard questions.
I have said it many times that this GNU is not going to work until this power mongers drops their ego
ja ja lesley lebepe i am sure you people have been saying a lot of things for a long time these past 30 years.
Some of these ANC guys still think they have a majority.
Lamola and Ramaphosa's protectors think they are in government and want to bulldoze everyone… wake up lamola ANC is not in government, get a tin your head!!!
Precisely.
Clement, you are the Best and continue being the Best in the Game
Unlik xoli mgambi😂😂😂😂😂😂
After listening to this guy I can say that ANC is a problem in this country they must just loose power completely
Dont point fingers
Big problem bro
Are you suggesting they must give DA that amount of expactations maybe?
@@OnkeGwanyaabsolutely as that is what the agreement they have signed states
the ANC is going down south Africa is going up
The DA got half the number of the ANC's votes, yet is expected to be happy with only a third of the ANC cabinet seat share. All this despite the ANC having already secured the national presidency and parliamentary speakership with the DA's help. The ANC must be the greediest, ultimate backstabber.
Clement always do his homework very well 👌
I feel sorry for them. They haven't moved past the stage of delusion😂😂
The ANC would not have the presidency or the national assembly speaker without the DA. The ANC is acting arrogantly. This is the partnership they chose, so they must accept it.
This man is the best TV presenter/journalist we have
Suddenly everyone has changed the tune about Zuma buh few years ago we were singing Zuma must go together. Politics 🙄🙄
Andile knows his politics I am very impressed and proud of your dear.
Andile is definitely ready for parliament ✊🏿✊🏿
ANC is delusional
If you were not supporting MK party, I would agree with you. But agreeing with an MK party supporter on anything political, makes one's assertions unreasonable. It's akin to a drunkard person who speaks to themselves while drunk that they should stop drinking; and then when they are sober and craving for alcohol, asks themselves why should they listen to a drunkard who speak to themselves.
MK supporters are delusional, are not in a position to point that out about other political parties.
And DA
Great question manyathele
ANC representative it's look like they forget they're are working with other parties.
The DA proposals are completely reasonable.
GNU... Gangsters of Notorious Unity
Doesn't look like the ANC likes this democracy idea, they clearly were not prepared for this.
The central point that got these people together was the supremacy of the constitution. The DA wishes to subvert the constitution and it won't happen.
They must let go of everything but to live, a hot pot it's hard
Voters were saying ANC must be oppositions for next 5yrs and they are trying to be smart 2029 they must get 10% votes maybe they will understand
Who did they voters vote into power???
Well done ...you sorted Andile
DA must leave them then vote of no confidence will follow soon
The EFF and MKP are comfortable with Mashatile taking over the Presidency, whereas the Democratic Alliance is not.
@@AdvocateMkunqwanaThe ANC can go to the EFF or MK. But what will happen to the ANC if the economy sinks? Who will voters hold responsible?
@@Nick-po8sfwhy would the economy sink?
@@Nick-po8sf I really find it interesting that you have deemed two political organizations (EFF and MKP) that have never been in governance as being incapable of growing the economy, I'm curious to Know what has informed your conclusion/opinion
South africa can prosper without da. Look at the Barkinofaso., Mali, their minerals is enough same as South Africa.
Clement is one of the best interviewers in SA now, unbiased and very professional. I like how he challenged his guests about RET policies, especially Zuma moving to the left as alleged by these opportunistic communists.
Seconded
Clement u are my number one u need a seat there in cabinet
Is this Lamola guy serious?😭😭😭😭He thinks the ANC is still the majority party
We need journalists like Clement who are strong and well-informed, rather than those who are the darlings of politicians and celebrities.
I love this woman, Phophi.
Me too! Very capable
The arrogance koLamola is out of this world, I mean these clowns seem to not accept that they have lost have majority which means they cannot do as they like in forming the government.
He is very clear he understands everything
Clement is a tough guy, he's the best 😂😅❤
Clement is on fire this season journalist of the moment ...keep it blazing 🔥
Fire now? Where was he all this time, why was he quiet about phalaphala
The ANC are not the leading power !
Anc got president and speaker position. Then they must give DA what it wants. They're agreed that they will not impeached the corrupt Ramaphosa
The EFF and MK must join the GNU I want to see something 😂
😂😂😂🤩🤩 wena u don't want peace neh
😂😂😂😂 oh no disaster
😂😂😂😂
For some reason, I am starting to look forward to your shows
Interesting time for our country
Interesting 😂😂😂😂
ANC must remember they are not a majority party. They must accept the fact that they are working with other parties. Unfortunately, they are going to be exposed in their corrupt activities. They are not going to be able to redeploy people they way they like.
They are doing all this to hide corruption they know DA will clean the office if there is smell they will ensure that rubbish is thrown outside
They remain biggest party almost twice as big as the DA. Helen Zille and the DA brain trust must realise they are very much junior partners in this arrangement. ANC has most of the cards.
They are working for DA since from CODESA
The central point that got these people together was the supremacy of the constitution. The DA wishes to subvert the constitution and it won't happen.
Manyathela, what a display or great journalism!
You got 40% and expect to carry on as before.
They must level up asap, they're being delusional lol...
It can’t be business as usual but at the same time, it will be silly to expect a party with 21.8% to get a 50/50 split… they are not equal. In any event the tally of all the votes the left leaning votes carried the day meaning ANC has more wiggle room than DA.
It means ANC is not entitle all the cabinet positions with that 40%...if ANC get 16 position, then DA is entitled 8 position mathematically.. SINCE ANC took presidency, other party with the next highest contributions must be given Vice Presidency .
@@khaltsharivist365now those %doesn't apply its GNU now and DA ifuna okungokwayo bayaslibaziza kodwa ANC.
Clement is not listening and I'm not even ANC, this is so straight forward
We want competent leaders who can do the job. We don't pay them for drama.
Aow Clement as for that's if you coming back....😂ziyakhala straight
DA want to create jobs, the ANC are happy with 40% unemployment!
Clement is happy to pay lots of tax to keep 40% non working people from starving as long as there's a minimum wage!
The DA want the youth to get employment opportunities the ANC want people to be on social grants!
Why can't the DA create jobs in Western cape?
Which jobs from where?
DA don't want South Africa but they hire foreigners for cheap labor stop lying 🤥
@@sfisobuthelezi3054 technology is taking over bra no more physical labour
Create Jobs for who? who said Black people cant create Jobs?
Lamola doesnt understand that this arrangement is subject to both the Constitution and Statement of Intent of the GNU, which requires compromises from the President. The dynamics of this GNU mean parties can make policy and representative demands which must be managed by accomodating them approriateltly. Its just a mess
Mngxitama about to be booted out of MK for saying Pres Zuma moved left at the end of his presidency....
We all know that Mr Mbeki was an African renaissance man, and Mr Zuma a RET man... there's no confusion there....
@@senzomemela1311 You are missing the point. He says Zuma was not a leftist until towards the end of his term. Meaning, Zuma only became an RET man when he was being asked to resign. Only then he started to talk left politics. In his own words.
ANC's obsession to govern with the DA will see to their end.
This whole thing could have been resolved with ANC forming a coalition with the EFF and the MK party. ANC has lost the appetite to govern this country, hence the obsession with the DA. supervise them.
Clement finished Andile here🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
Why people keep saving president while there's phala phala offence
Phala phala offence to who that lost which of their money?
That impeachment is going to happen soon
@@veronicakarstel9126 don't hold your breath
Which court said that???
Andile was dealt with here 😂😂😂
Disappointing. I know Andile can do so much better, he came ill prepared.
@@edmundsishange3608Actually I think he did well by not denying the truth, but he tried or maybe he did prove that Zuma is a changed man... Zuma is not perfect as MK members portray him but he eventually changed to be better or to do better for his people...
@@mthokozisizulu2879 No one is perfect but Zuma has been consistent with his agenda, he's not a changed man. He has always been about the emancipation of black people from day one to date hence the powers that be have been trying to assassinate him for more than 30 years
@@edmundsishange3608 So are saying that the points between Clement and Mgxitama are not true...
@@mthokozisizulu2879 Clement tried to corner Mngxithama into saying Zuma was not leftist until much later because he did not criticize Orania at one point but praised it instead. I'm saying to you that's an isolated incident, that alone cannot prove Zuma's political ideology, perhaps he was simply being diplomatic, to understand the man you need to look at what he's been consistently fighting for, for decades, that's what gives us a clue of what his politics are about.
Why did the ANC sign the document, if they now start talking Constitution.
EFF and Mk must join the Gnu if they join DA will drop out
If you are doing things in the interest of the country. Why can you not compromise
They have no place to hide, they are hiding corruption.
ANC must share
This guy still thinks that ANC is still a majority, he can't see the reality
Poor him lol
How?
@@sonwabileMawisa-yp2os 40% can easily make ANC official opposition lol, if all other parties unite... Thus ANC must work framework of that binding document...
you can clearly see ANC is problem
Eish! Guptagate never happened??
Be careful next time you will be OUT. Becoz ANC still carry on with cadres with clouds over their heads
Come local elections the ANC needs to be taught a lesson
King,the Eff says they will not work with the DA to remove any leader of the ANC but nothing stop them to remove any leader with the assistance of some Anc members and other progressive parties.
Everything our Sister is talking about what CIC Malema talked about during the EFFs campaign. Everyone wants the EFFs plan the DA will stop all of these Progressive move. Viva EFF Viva. 🙏🏿🤴🏾👸🏾❤️❤️
Lamola is an intelligent politician....Ive always liked his line of thought....in this case even he knows he is explaining the unexplainable...they are in real trouble
Experience in stealing 😢
when did Lamola divorce logic?
This boy is very stupid, nowander why Julius fired him
😂
Anc must learn to share
Clement you now get it…😂
NB : 27/04/1994 For Thirty Years We Africans , Azanians , Blacks , People , Ex-Combatants , Military Veterans , Soldiers , Beneficiaries , Families , Wives , Widows , Children And Orphans Have Been Struggling And Suffering Under Government Of National Unity ( GNU ) ANC Led Government Till Present Till Present.
So Andile is saying Mbeki left ilifa to Zuma and Zuma Zumad ilifa😂😂😂
Let ANC be reminded that it's not business as usual. No longer in control.
It is in control and has built more than 200 seats outside of the DA. It can go on without the DA by the way.
I love this Submarine
I actually want The DA to be in cabinet for the sake of Checks and Balances on ANC... they've been running the Country like their Spaza Shops. We need order, we need laws implemented and upheld, we want change, we want improvements in our economy
I DA iright kuzosetshenzwa lapha ngokuvamile abanye bazovimba amahlazo abo nokonakala .Umehluko nje ukuthi iDA izinto izibeka obala.
Ngakhohlwa I DA never love abantu abamnyama bayasetshenzisa they just like tea bag letiye uma sebeqedile liyalahlwa lelo tea bag letiye😂😂
Already there is problems in paradise
No trouble in paradise
Can't the ANC understand they are not totally in charge
This guy is confused. ANC doesn't call the shot they are not the majority thank you viva da viva❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
How did this guy become a minister of such an important office though. So sad 😢
BUT CLEMENT must learn to give the guy's opportunity to talk because he makes this debate boring by talking while they are talking.
I heard stories that Andile was stuttering and "dealt" with. I did not see any of that. I saw a journalist just interrupting a man speaking.
Keep it up, Clements
This movie not gonna finish now ..we atlist 5 to wach
Limpopo gang will soon have their own political party.
As things stand i think Clement is one of the very few who understand the dos and donts if GNU more than parties representatives themselves.
My understanding of the President's prerogative is, we remove the face, in this case that of Ramaphosa, ANC's President. Then the Constitution covers him/her, whoever is President at the time.
Regardless of if the President did or didn’t reason the majority of the vote. Cabinet positions are under the leadership of the President and should follow the policies of the President. Of course there should be discussion and negotiations, but at the end of the day, the final decision must come from the President.
I like what the guest said, you must separate parliament and cabinet positions.
Exactly wat You saying it does make but this time around Aikhona You need to consult otherwise vote of no confidence is looming.fullstop.
And if the other parties disagree they will walk away.
This GNU/marriage with DA seems very toxic, I'm not ready for the remafications thereof🤔🤔.
Da is that toxic partner😂😂😂
To be fair, since ANC got Presidency with 40% contribution to GNU, DA MUST get vice Presidency with 22% contribution to GNU... Lol
I agree 100%,DA should be vise president or is anc trying to hide something
Mugabe knighted by the queen..Sir Robert Mugabe?? I dont remember that event. Trying to picture Bob kneeling at the feet of the queen while she touches him on the shoulder with a sword. My mind boggles! Andile...you need to check that one.😅
The only fear for the anc is that their cadres are incompetent and don't have the capacity to deliver and they know the DA ministers will out perform them and take all the shine.
there's nothing wrong the ANC is doing, the issue is the constitution doesn't cater for a GNU type of government. The president is not mandated to appointment ministers based on proportionality, which is a bit unfair in light of GNU.
Clement must ask and let Mgxitama respond, it disturbing what he's doing, what the point of asking if you will not give me a chance to answer
The absence of MK logo at the back is very loud
How? Are they part of the GNU.
Stop it you Zumbi
Yes Mr Phalaphala promise the people of SA that they sit down and come the solution with DA and I believe even they come the solution but they will continue fighting each other because ANC goverment is corrupt and DA will be against them
Zuma was right to say Gnu is nonsense
Andile Mgxitama 100% correct as always
100% racist and anarchist
Lol
With what😂😂😂😂?
I had heard stories that he was "dealt" with here by the journalist. I was disappointed to just hear a journalist interrupting a man whilst he speaks !
Andile represented us well !
I have 1 question: is it the DA's prerogative to make those demands?
When did president decided it must be GNU..
When did he drafted the rules of GNU tht is issued now.
Who was helping him creating it.
He is not the president of the ANC he is the president of GNU
The ANC is delusional. While the president has the role of selecting the cabinet, his mandate is limited. His election was not solely based on the votes of his party; therefore, the ANC should accept that his power is politically constrained, not constitutionally absolute. The implementation of his functions is not solely constitutionally driven in practicality.
I need membership card of EFF ,the only party that make sense and I will do my best to work the ground because it fights for the africa 🌍 to be incharge of its Nation and to be led by people who are not colonized in their mind
That's why it won't grow it fights for Nigerians and Zimbabweans. These people don't vote.
Clement are you advocate of DA?
U a talking the past constitution..this is GNU of people..new constitution is important..u crucked the other parties to join your past laws of One Party Majority Rule..its over
It sounds like the next five years will be just talks, engagements and further consolidations. No change in the unemployment, economic, equity redress will be achieved ever. It looks bleak in my opinion
At least he knows how to debate issues, is far better than MBALULA despite being very cautious not to bite the hand that feeds him, something that is worrisome to many if not all Safricans brainy and energetic young people as they are, but when the President did or said something outrageously wrong they choose to keep quiet or defend him, forgetting that out there Safricans are watching, some are even far better than them in wisdom, honesty, integrity, respect, humility, knowledge, education and bravery to stand for what is right and able to call a spade by its rightful name. THE WORLD TODAY is in dire need of MEN AND WOMEN who are true to duty like a needle to the pole, MAN AND WOMEN WHO CANNOT BE BOUGHT OR SOLD ALTHOUGH HEAVEN FALLS.
Clement Manyatela , what a super journalist .Big up!.keep on Teaching the black people .lm very proud of you 😂❤🎉