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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- #aceattorney #aceattorneyinvestigations #milesedgeworth #translation
I worked on the fan translation of this game, so I thought it might be fun to react to the official localization, while telling some of the many, MANY stories I have from the fan translation days. Also, Investigations 2 is an INCREDIBLE game, easily one of my favourite Ace Attorney games, and it's going to be a joy to re-experience.
Ye Olde Early Forum Translation (VERY BAD): forums.serenes...
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Fan translation credits I promised:
Translation: BigKlingy, Choky, N-Forza, Tanaka Houji, Runebearer, Jin, Mracy, Dowolf, Bad Player, Mirii-chan and kimchi314.
Localization: mmcgeehin, AustinM11, Sorenwind, Gerkuman, Waffleman, Rollingball, RaymanFan, Redjiggly, Lisainverse, FinalClipX, Wolfefrog, Fatalfeline, Arglefumph, Irradiance, Themackers, Jorpho, SacredSugar, Accord, HawkofNavarre, Paladia, SuperAj3, Jamdy, KneehighPark, j00m, GyakutenGodot, Rahky, Junebug493, Xalusc.
Text Insertion: etherealblade, RPGamer, Rollingball, mujie, black imperator, pockyrin, gameleon, Xalusc, bluebomber1815, Ginko, missyquints, Shiro09, Wellington2k, Vi3trice, ducksFANjason, AustinM11, Blueorb, ChaosArgate, yuudachi, TheOmega-Fire100, Aleister, jacunni.
Voice editing/ Voice Insertion: HanOnimous, Vi3trice
Voice Actors: Crayed Ninja, Wuigi, SonicShadow, Byronic Hero, Draginite, ProZD, Wellington2k.
WAIT PROZD WAS A VA FOR THIS FAN TRANSLATION
Damn thats a neat coincidence
I know one of the Translation team, who joined later, was a TH-camr who did his own subtitled fan-translation, with his own set of fan names.
I mostly remember working with Tanaka Houji (me and him did Case 1) and N-Forza.
Props to whoever did the coding for getting 3 lines of English text per text box. That stumped and stalled us for a while, I remember.
Also, thought it'd be fun to keep my "score":
Di-Jun Wang = Di-Jun Huang.
Tabbie Lloyd > Nicole Swift.
Bronco Knight < Horace Knightley.
Bastian Rook > Ethan Rooke.
Current standings - Official 2, Fan Translation 1 .
Also in fan translation team:
Hacking/format discovery: Hackotedelaplaque, jjjewel, Henke37 and Auryn.
Tools: Hackotedelaplaque (Sprite and Text Studio), Henke37 (GKTool) and Whivel (AceFontII).
Graphics Editing / Graphics Insertion: Mrichston, Secretmonster, Jinnai, Hamster, Percei, Shiro09, Purple Handprint and Auryn
Testing / Debugging: Mrichston, Hackotedelaplaque, Choky, Rollingball, Henke37, Plaster Wright, Xalusc, Shiro9, Accord, FinalClipX, HanOnimous and Auryn.
I did part of text inserting too and compiled every public release. I was kinda leader of text inserting team too. And without ppl who did hacking and made tools, there wouldn´t have been any fan translation, because we had so many technical problems to solve.
@@mrichston Hi, I think I remember your username. The technical side was vital to this, like you say, and MAJOR props for compiling every public release! Sorry if I'm less familiar with this part of the team, I can only tell one side of the story but you're welcome to share your stories too!
Miles Edgeworth, superpower: Being able to think very hard.
Super power two: Walking
Re: the vagueness about gender thing: Our Ice-cream salesman has been bitten by this before, so he has learned this lesson the hard way.
@@henke37 That's... very true.
As a MASSIVE AAI2 fan, and someone who's been learning Japanese for almost a year now, this has been an absolutely fascinating watch. Loved hearing all your insights into working on the amazing fan translation, and I can't wait to see your reactions so some of the later parts
Next part is going to be interesting because it introduces... 3 of the game's major characters (including a certain egotistical idiot who was a nightmare to translate but also really fun, can't wait to see the official take on him) along with the one character who's name was almost entirely mine.
Oh shit, will you look at that. Crazy that I had cited your comments throughout my NCS Investigations 2 video only to see that you're playing the localisation to see the changes yourself. This will certainly prove an interesting watch!
Wasn't aware people still referenced those old comments, but thanks for shouting them out!
Legitimately, they enhanced the playthrough and were fascinating to read, so that's why I made the decision to include some of them within the video where relevant to the moment happening. Sort of a "best viewing experience", you could call it.
It's so interesting and refreshing hear more sub-context when it comes to some name puns that make more sense in Japanese like Edgeworth's name meaning sword katana and that's why he is named EDGEworth like the end of a sword or why the President has a King name reference pun while later on you have a chess motive, I never knew these small sub-context informations, thanks! 😁
I noticed in Case 2 they actually referenced the fan translation. There’s a line a certain someone says “I think it was some kid called 'DeWinner'?”
Yeah I'd heard about that. Please don't spoil anything in the localization for me, though.
@@BigKlingy also Eustace called himself "the best" in the final commercial video, and these words were colored.
@@JustIceGalaxy I guess his fan name was so iconic they had to reference it.
@@BigKlingyIf I had to guess, the only thing they knew about the fan translation were some of the more famous names from it.
Wang’s sucking in air to appear muscular (when he is actually fat) reminds me of All Might’s muscular form is just him “flexing” when he is in actuality skeletally skinny (at least in the present day).
10:21 his original name references the fretsaw to mirror the 剣 (sword) character used in edgeworth's name. it was chosen because it was duller than a sword
Ah yeah, I kinda remember that now. Still interesting that it's so long the characters have to abbreviate it, I know that when we were translating the profiles, in Japanese it says something like "Most people call him Detective Itonoko", the part about the nickname being completely absent in English.
TH-cam just so recommended this to me like they knew I would love this! I played the fan translation so seeing someone who worked on it see his reaction to the official translation is AMAZING! ❤
@@Official_RetroMania Glad you enjoyed! This stream was really fun and I plan on doing more.
@@BigKlingy No problem ☺️
4:04:16 It was stated in the chat (though you didn't appear to notice it), but it was shown in an interview that Knight's Japanese VA was Tatsuro Iwamoto, character designer for the original trilogy and the Investigations duology, as well as Edgeworth's Japanese VA! (He was even brought onboard the AAI Collection to design all the new mini-sprites!)
4:33:54 While both those reasons are correct, another reason the game couldn't have been localized at the time (as revealed by Eshiro) was that as soon as Investigations 2 completed production, the entire development team was dissolved and relocated to other Capcom projects at the time, meaning they were unable to be involved in the localization process to begin with (and as I learned from Hsu's various localization blogs, the involvement of the development team is actually very important in the localization process).
4:04:16 I noticed the name but didn't know that was what he did! Now I have more reasons to admire him than just Knight's really cool Japanese Objection.
4:33:54 Good to know, and that makes a lot of sense. Sucks if the dev team got dissolved though. Wonder if that was due to low sales or other reasons. And yeah, it's pretty clear that the dev team is involved a lot in localizations, even in the reverse: Janet Hsu apparently wrote a lot of the English text in the Japanese Great Ace Attorney releases)
Oh wow! Still haven't watched the vid but I just want to say, thank you so much for your work on the fan translation! It's truly an excellent translation and it meant so much to me that I could play it and fall in love with these characters years ago, before this localisation came out (when most of us doubted it ever would). I'll be watching this video bit by bit, I'm curious about all the insider translation lore!
Being part of this fan translation is what I consider the greatest achievement of my life so far. I love this game and I love that people outside Japan got to experience it for about a decade before the official release. The whole team was really friendly and great to work with, too.
Honestly ever sense the collection got announced and I learned about the different names I've been morbidly curious about what you all would've named other Ace Attorney characters. Like imagine a reality where neither Investigations game got localized and we got something like...I don't know, Alice Cloud for Kay Faraday.
Like I said here, at one point Dahlia Hawthorne was being called "Delores Willow". It's interesting to see how different people interpret the Japanese names.
No fucking shot the fan translation started on Serene's. How do things in my life keep coming back to fucking serene's
@@uninspiredname2974 Clarification: the fan translation itself started on the old Court Records forums. (Which meant we had to stay there when they moved to the new one, all our threads were there so had to be preserved).
Serenes was just where I myself started, and I found the Court Records thread after I finished my first pass of Case 1.
As a big fan of the fan translation, your insight is great to hear. The differences between the versions fascinates me.
I had the same reaction to the “selfie” part. And there’s the explanation as to why you didn’t localize it.
Oof, Knight’s sound clip… I prefer the fan translation sound bytes so far.
Can't wait to meet Useless Whiner.
I was hoping I'd get there this stream, but thought it was best to end at Case 1 since that was already 5 hours.
I have a LOT of stories about him. A LOOOOOOT.
@@BigKlingy that's completely understandable
Do what you do and stay happy and healthy my dude
I wonder if Nichole was meant to just sound like Nickel so her name would be “quick nickel”
4:14:20 A mate with two knights and a king alone is kind of possible, however it is impossible to force and basically needs the cooperation of the opponent to be achieved. However, a stale mate is possible to force, which can be converted into a mate if the opponent still has a pawn to prevent the stale mate.
I'm wondering how that would even happen, maybe an opponent who's already lost decides to make a cool-looking, obscure Checkmate rather than resign.
I wonder if everyone else who was involved in making the fan translation game has played the localized version.
I'm sure several probably have.
9:41 miles means knight (thank you homestuck)
That's funny given another character in this case.
@@BigKlingyI also wonder if edgeworth liking steel samurai is more of a direct joke in Japanese of samurai man liking samurai show rather than just being gap moe
I do wonder if Tabby calling Edgeworth her “chief” was a retroactive localization considering
AAI2 AND DD SPOILERS BELOW
Edgeworth eventually becoming Chief Prosecutor. This may especially be the case considering that this game is about Edgeworth relearning to love his job.
It's... possible? I think it more implies some kind of hierarchy at their journalist office though. (Though it's also implied Tabbie isn't officially one yet, she just hopes to be?)
Thhe case 4 used the most complicated words. Ever why isnt it simple as the fan translation
That's the case I was involved with the least, but I'm still looked forward to seeing the official version.
This has nothing to do with your commentary, but I personally find Kay really frustrating. Not because of her character, she’s a likable enough character, and it’s shown that she can take the situation seriously when she needs to. I just find her frustrating because of how much she broadcasts her title.
The Investigations series builds up the Yatagarasu and their role a lot, and it was one of the more interesting aspects of the first game. It’s fine that Kay takes pride in it, but the fact that she insists on blurting it out in front of members of law enforcement makes the alias completely worthless. If she ever goes forward with it, then her identity and appearance would be known to literally everyone.
I was going to say "she doesn't really take the Yatagarasu thing that seriously", but they I realized she does it in memory of her dad, so that's not really true.
- Thank you for not reading all the dialogue out loud.
- I dont think you need to pussy foot around things so much. You don't need to use algospeak, and you cant stop culture wars around different translations. So spare us the long winded pussy footing!!
- I think this concept would be better executed if you just let yourself discuss spoilers more.
- However, I think your insights are very interesting throughout.
- As a fan, I pretty much agree with your opinions on the new translation here.
- Your fan translation was a product to be very proud of, however. I enjoyed it for years beforehand, and thank you for your hard work.
- Your emulator crashed your PC while doing the fan translation? Bloody hell mate.
My stance on spoilers is the Ace Attorney games try very hard not to spoil other AA games (besides the GAA duology, which are more like two parts of one big game) so I try to respect that. If you mean spoiling things later in this game, I want to save talking about that stuff until when I get there.
As for "algospeak", I know I generally don't get demonitized for saying those words, but I know of people who have been.
@@BigKlingy
I do meant intra-game spoilers. I know some things you set aside until it was time, but I remember some instances where you stopped yourself because taking about it in the now would be a spoiler? TBF I can't give time stamps its a five hour video im not scrubbing it again. I'm sure you get it. Its something I remember from watching.
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This is going to be a game with advertiser unfriendly topics, as you'd know better than I. You'd be lucky if you weren't demonitized for showing an entire M-rated game in the first place, and while you should get that dough where you can, you also might have to just cop a demonisation. I cringed so hard at 'unalive chess', don't wanna hear that in the context of this game or series ever again.
Did you feel any stutter playing Investigations 1 on Switch, Klingy? I've seen someone complaining about that.
I haven't tried the Investigations 1 part of this collection yet. So far I2's been fine. As I said here, I mainly got the Switch version because it was the only one to get a physical release (with that incredible boxart), and I don't mind having Visual Novels on a less powerful console. (I feel playing them on a high-end PC is overkill)
@@BigKlingy Sure. Just, keep an eye on it, OK?
there is only 1 instance of picking the wrong logic option leads to unique diolauge, but thats on case 5. will you be showing that off when you get there? im very curious what they wrote for that exchange.
4:39:21
Do you at some point examine the sign near Payne, near the lake?
I don't think I did. There's one optional examine that I really wanted to react to but missed (the one where, in our version, we made a subtle Phoenix reference via Zheng Fa's emblem, where in Japanese it was a play on "houou" [phoenix, as-in the bird] having the kanji for "king").
3:37:10, isn‘t the point of robbers chess to first have all your pieces taken.
Oh right, he'd lure MY Rook to HIS side and force it to take all his pieces.
Any advice or tips for those wanting to learn Japanese?
Either take it as an elective at school/university/college, or find a course online. Watch a lot of Japanese media without the dub, with subtitles. I'd recommend getting a Kanji Dictionary at some point. If you have a favourite Japanese game or anime, use it for grammar/vocabulary practice (I did a project on some Japanese Fire Emblem support conversations back in university).
That's probably a good starting point.
@@BigKlingy Thank you so much. I enjoyed your team's work on the original Investigations 2.
This is such an insightful video...! I'm so glad youtube recommended this to me, as a bilingual I always find it fascinating to hear all about the nuances of different languages. Thank you for being a part of the fan translation and letting us all experience this masterpiece of a game 😊 🤎