Neil, here's an idea. You can go through a mini-topic like this in a quick synopsis, like you've done here (less the bit at the end about companies not liking...to re-enabling it), then to next-level to explain the finer points and things that would answer questions like Ray Davis and Boreal Sigil are asking, below. It would allow real beginners to get just enough so they don't choke on it, and also novices enough overview to provide a frame of reference to continue, like a preview of sorts. You worry about our attention span, but both - the long and the short of it - are really valued.
I've been using Inventor for about eight years now and I make it a point to disable "adaptive" in EVERYTHING. It may work well in less complex assemblies and/or smaller components, but on large assemblies with complex, interdependent parts, it seems to ruin many things, then waste my time fixing and checking everything. I find good constraints and forethought in a good design to render this "adaptive" nonsense useless. But thanks for the video! Great information!
you should really talk about breaking the adaptivity permanently. I imagine thats pretty much the most important thing about adaptivity to be aware of.
Good explanation of how adaptivity works. Would love to use it more in my work but at a certain point adaptivity causes an incredible performance hit in Inventor. I am still on 2016, 2019 may be better. What is interesting is if I use derive to bring the geometry from one part to another there is no performance hit. Do you know why?
I beleive that derive creates a dumb solid. Although derive links to the other file to keep it updated, it just updates the dumb solid, which has no features. My best guess.
I've got an assembly with a somewhat large amount of parts and pieces. Before creating a new part I verified that I could move all of the various parts/pieces within the assembly as expected. I added a new part to the assembly origin then drew a 3D sketch constrained to a couple of separate parts within the parent assembly, making sure to use work axes and work points. However, when returning to the parent assembly the parts/pieces of the parent assembly are locked and will not move even though prior to producing the new part these pieces did move. Adaptivity is turned on on the new part I can see the symbol. Is the assembly too large to do the computation?
I was wondering what happens to the adaptive part sketch when you remove adaptivity. You would expect the sketch to be under-constrained, but when I tested this, the sketch still indicates it's fully constrained. Is there some behind-the-scene magic going on there?
hi, i am extruding a part to a plane. when i move the plane later, the extruded part does not reach the plane even tho the extrusion is supposed to be adaptive, am i doing something wrong or is there another way to make the extrusion change length to suit the position of the plane
Hey TFI, I am having issues with creating complex adaptive parts. The adaptivity does not "adapt".When I update angles of parts, the adaptive sketch isn't updated. I've been attempting to use adaptivity on retractable awing assemblies to create fabric that adapts to the different angles and lengths the fabric would extent to. Also, All of my assemblies are fully constrained.
what does it mean when the adaptive is greyed out? I've removed ALL dimensions and deleted anything outside the sketch. Still greyed out but the blue and red arrows remain. Is this a glitch with I-2020?
Hallo, is it possible to create adptive assambleys? ( i need framed doors for kitchen cabinets, withaut dimentions, to use adaptivity for whole doors and just use contstrains for fitting it where do i want, And be able to do it on many assambleys..) I,m using autodesk inventor 2010. Thanks...sorry for my English...
Question for you..see the way you created the adaptivity and then turned it of and then back on,for arguments sake if I created a box with a recessed lid and know it fits etc but hadnt used this work flow could I click on the menu and turn it into an adaptive part or would this be classed as bad work practice,seen this used with just sketches in my distant memory,kinda get this mixed with using the sculpt tool to remove cutouts etc within assemblies.Will have to send you a pic of what Im doing probably easier for you to see what Im doing.take care good vid as this can be made to sound complex when just used with sketches for making linkages and stuff,lot to be said for a good tutor=)
Paul Munford Cheers Paul it was half the reason I asked as had things go wonky myself but I do remember way back Autodesk use to do Inventor webinars-they were really good not sure why they stopped but there was something said about using this on several occasions that things could go wrong but in saying that he had used it in a layout sketch for a linkage-kinematics I trhink is the correct term but dont hold me too it..hope alls well bud still keeping up with the blog.
James Lenane Well it depends on how you modelled the lid... if you modelled the lid completely separately to the box then just dropped them two together in an assembly and made them adaptive, it wouldn't be linked in the way you'd want. You'd need to edit the lid and reference the box into the sketches and/or features to build the adaptive links. Paul Munford Agree with Paul too, adaptivity is great for simple assemblies but in large scale designs it can cause more problems that it's worth especially if you have multiple designers working on one job. If adaptivity breaks and it wasn't you who built it in, you're left with a job in finding out how the guy designed it to correct the error which can take an age to do.
CAD Setter Out Can't say I've come across this guy before, the video also ends after 9 minutes without finishing? Personally I can't attend D3D as I'm balls deep in a massive Vault implementation project this month, 8 months prepping for it so I can't really take a day out this month!
Boreal Sigil Yes. You can ssve with another name and edit first sketch. Delete all connectios to the base part and add constraints and dimensions. It'll be great to add relations to Center point.
You are doing the Lord's work. And I'm atheistic! Haha. Thanks very much. I'd pay for a DVD of your lessons if they were searchable and my parents weren't Weegies. Seriously, you do an excellent job. Great teaching
You're amazing! You really made it so simple.
Neil, here's an idea. You can go through a mini-topic like this in a quick synopsis, like you've done here (less the bit at the end about companies not liking...to re-enabling it), then to next-level to explain the finer points and things that would answer questions like Ray Davis and Boreal Sigil are asking, below. It would allow real beginners to get just enough so they don't choke on it, and also novices enough overview to provide a frame of reference to continue, like a preview of sorts. You worry about our attention span, but both - the long and the short of it - are really valued.
I've been using Inventor for about eight years now and I make it a point to disable "adaptive" in EVERYTHING. It may work well in less complex assemblies and/or smaller components, but on large assemblies with complex, interdependent parts, it seems to ruin many things, then waste my time fixing and checking everything. I find good constraints and forethought in a good design to render this "adaptive" nonsense useless. But thanks for the video! Great information!
I been using inventor for 2 years and im learning it hard way.
Thanks for the simple explanation.
you should really talk about breaking the adaptivity permanently. I imagine thats pretty much the most important thing about adaptivity to be aware of.
Enjoy with your explanation!
but sometimes adaptive will make a mess...
Good explanation of how adaptivity works. Would love to use it more in my work but at a certain point adaptivity causes an incredible performance hit in Inventor. I am still on 2016, 2019 may be better.
What is interesting is if I use derive to bring the geometry from one part to another there is no performance hit.
Do you know why?
I beleive that derive creates a dumb solid. Although derive links to the other file to keep it updated, it just updates the dumb solid, which has no features. My best guess.
I've got an assembly with a somewhat large amount of parts and pieces. Before creating a new part I verified that I could move all of the various parts/pieces within the assembly as expected. I added a new part to the assembly origin then drew a 3D sketch constrained to a couple of separate parts within the parent assembly, making sure to use work axes and work points. However, when returning to the parent assembly the parts/pieces of the parent assembly are locked and will not move even though prior to producing the new part these pieces did move. Adaptivity is turned on on the new part I can see the symbol. Is the assembly too large to do the computation?
I was wondering what happens to the adaptive part sketch when you remove adaptivity. You would expect the sketch to be under-constrained, but when I tested this, the sketch still indicates it's fully constrained. Is there some behind-the-scene magic going on there?
Good i was always a bit confused over adaptivity.
Thank you for your time and cool tips :)
hi, i am extruding a part to a plane. when i move the plane later, the extruded part does not reach the plane even tho the extrusion is supposed to be adaptive, am i doing something wrong or is there another way to make the extrusion change length to suit the position of the plane
Hey TFI, I am having issues with creating complex adaptive parts. The adaptivity does not "adapt".When I update angles of parts, the adaptive sketch isn't updated. I've been attempting to use adaptivity on retractable awing assemblies to create fabric that adapts to the different angles and lengths the fabric would extent to. Also, All of my assemblies are fully constrained.
what does it mean when the adaptive is greyed out? I've removed ALL dimensions and deleted anything outside the sketch. Still greyed out but the blue and red arrows remain. Is this a glitch with I-2020?
Hallo, is it possible to create adptive assambleys? ( i need framed doors for kitchen cabinets, withaut dimentions, to use adaptivity for whole doors and just use contstrains for fitting it where do i want, And be able to do it on many assambleys..) I,m using autodesk inventor 2010. Thanks...sorry for my English...
great , now i understand . tks.
Question for you..see the way you created the adaptivity and then turned it of and then back on,for arguments sake if I created a box with a recessed lid and know it fits etc but hadnt used this work flow could I click on the menu and turn it into an adaptive part or would this be classed as bad work practice,seen this used with just sketches in my distant memory,kinda get this mixed with using the sculpt tool to remove cutouts etc within assemblies.Will have to send you a pic of what Im doing probably easier for you to see what Im doing.take care good vid as this can be made to sound complex when just used with sketches for making linkages and stuff,lot to be said for a good tutor=)
Paul Munford Cheers Paul it was half the reason I asked as had things go wonky myself but I do remember way back Autodesk use to do Inventor webinars-they were really good not sure why they stopped but there was something said about using this on several occasions that things could go wrong but in saying that he had used it in a layout sketch for a linkage-kinematics I trhink is the correct term but dont hold me too it..hope alls well bud still keeping up with the blog.
James Lenane Well it depends on how you modelled the lid... if you modelled the lid completely separately to the box then just dropped them two together in an assembly and made them adaptive, it wouldn't be linked in the way you'd want. You'd need to edit the lid and reference the box into the sketches and/or features to build the adaptive links.
Paul Munford Agree with Paul too, adaptivity is great for simple assemblies but in large scale designs it can cause more problems that it's worth especially if you have multiple designers working on one job. If adaptivity breaks and it wasn't you who built it in, you're left with a job in finding out how the guy designed it to correct the error which can take an age to do.
CloudCAD Ltd James Lenane P.S. Are you guys going to D3D Live?
whats the date as would love to
CAD Setter Out Can't say I've come across this guy before, the video also ends after 9 minutes without finishing? Personally I can't attend D3D as I'm balls deep in a massive Vault implementation project this month, 8 months prepping for it so I can't really take a day out this month!
Hi!
I have a question :D
Can you save the "new part" (the part wich is adapted) as a individual file without adaptivity?
Boreal Sigil Yes. You can ssve with another name and edit first sketch. Delete all connectios to the base part and add constraints and dimensions. It'll be great to add relations to Center point.
Thank you so much Mistress!
Thumb up for "daft units" heh heh!
You are doing the Lord's work. And I'm atheistic! Haha. Thanks very much. I'd pay for a DVD of your lessons if they were searchable and my parents weren't Weegies. Seriously, you do an excellent job. Great teaching