Freespin is not entirely irrelevant, but most people seriously overestimate how important bearing quality is. As long as it's not trashed, you are fine. Something I've realised lately is, a lot of people especially here on youtube focus too much on the technical side of inline skating. It's like photography, you can take a shitty camera and take amazing photos, or an amazing camera but it's not really the camera that should be the focus, but the subject of your pictures. In the same way, inline skating is about exploring the outdoors, doing cool tricks, learning techniques, getting fit, meeting new people, not about inline skates themselves if that makes sense. You will get a lot more enjoyment out of it this way imo.
Hahaha, I'm also a new inline skater, bought my first inlines on the Powerslide Next White 3x125 and have since had 2 broken wrists (distal radius) left, then right, (one without surgery, one requiring titanium plates and rods to be operated into my arm, then removed 1 year later) and a broken thumb. I'm also very tall, 203cm with a us 13 boot, and those stock small 255mm 125 trs were deadly as a beginner. HalleluYAH! All thanks and praise to our Heavenly Father I'm even alive after going down a slight hill on that original frame. Very interested in these Icon frames, even the new 100 decode frame. Thanks for your video brother. Hope you have safe skating.
Wow so sorry to hear you had to go through all that suffering, and glad you have survived and are persevering in skating despite it all! I think maybe I'd better include some more warnings in my videos about skating safely. Thanks for letting me know about the new Decode 100 frame. That indeed looks like a nice stable option, with the 4x100 or the 5 wheel setup. I started to really love the short 253mm base of 3x125mm on the Decode 90 for doing tricks indoors. But I haven't started skating much outdoors with it yet. To be safe on the streets, I still want to improve my braking skills and building leg strength for staying lower for longer. Hope you're going to be safer in the future. I'm working on some videos about learning the powerslide braking technique, so maybe that might be helpful to others too.
@@InlinePilot Yeah, I learned heaps through it all though, HalleluYAH! Got lots of time off of my new skates to try research into frames, height to frame wheel base ratios etc. It's really important to have good geometry in skating, as I founded out, having my boot size be far larger than the wheel base of the frame made it like trying to balance on a ruling barrel haha....be very deadly. I'm sure the ability might be fun one day but for now I'll use the marathon 3x125 frames likely for fitness, or trail skating, and maybe look at getting these new icon decode Pro 110 or 100 for some even longer wheelbase frames, with 3, 4, and 5 wheel setups. I especially like the rocker abilities, both banana and V rocker, pluss flat. Plus a h block aggressive option. Love this idea, so amazing.
Hey @inlinepilot! I really appreciate your videos about the Decode 90 frames, especially as there's so little info and reviews about them online.🙏 I recently bought Iqon CL20s that come with these frames, because i wanted a primarily 4x90mm set up that can also accommodate bigger wheels, and these seemed great and were recommended by a friend. Although, the CL20s come set up with 3x110mm wheels, despite the frame supposedly being primarily for a 4x90 set up.😳 And it turns out that the friend that recommended them hasn't used them with the decode frame, as he switched it out for a different one he'd already bought.🤦♂️ You talk about how much you love the frames because of their versatility, but in one of the above comments you said they're not great with the 4x90 set up, because of the lower ground clearance of the frames and the ease that stones and twigs get stuck in the wheels/ frames, so you're mainly using them only for the bigger wheeled set up. Would you not recommend these for a 4x90 set up, as suggested in your other comment? I'm seriously considering returning the skates because of the apparent 2 key issues with them: 1) the restrictive proprietary bearings issue (even Iqon don't have the standard gold bearings listen on their website, other than being sold with the frame or as the expensive ceramic version) and 2) the issue you highlighted with the 4x90 set up. It doesn't sound at all good if twigs and stones get easily stuck when used for their primary wheel set up.😳
@markh2800 Hi Mark, the CL20 together with the Decode90 frame seems like a good deal. Buying the Decode90 frame separately is almost the price of the CL20 including the frame. But if you really have no use for the Decode90 frame and you have to buy another one now, it doesn't matter how great of a deal it is, of course. I like the 4x90 rockered on the decode90 frame to practice technique and for flat-ground/wizard skating at a clean area. Then the ground clearance is no issue. I'm guessing the 3x125 wouldn't fit on the non-trinity version of the frame. But if they do, there's no other 3x125 rockered frame that comes close to it in compactness/agility. I'm not a fan of 3x110 (as my 42 foot size is large enough to be comfortable with 3x125), and I wouldn't use the 4x90 setup on the decode90 for street or recreation, due to the twigs/stones issue. Hope that helps your consideration.
@@InlinePilot Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences, that's really helpful.🙏 It's such a shame, because the CL20 skates look and fit great (i'm an EU45 and 201cm tall), but the issues with them mean it's better for me to change them for different skates while I still can. Glad you're really happy with the frames and are getting what you want from them though! Keep up with the good videos and enjoy your skating adventure!
@@InlinePilot Hi again! May I ask a bit more information about how the twigs/ stones caused you problems on the 4x90 set up with these frames? I compared the ground clearance between the decode 90 frames and another brand of skates I was looking at, and there is 1cm less ground clearance on the Decode 4x90 set up (3cm versus 4cm). But the 4x80 skates I started on had even less ground clearance (2cm) and i've seen videos of other 4x90 frame set ups that are also low ground clearance, but are still recommended for general use/ street skating. So, I'm curious if there's something specific/ unique to these frames that caused you the problems with getting objects stuck in them? Is it the distance between the wheels as well as the 3cm frames ground clearance or something else? Have you skated with different 4x90 frames that you found better than these frames?
@@markh2800 Good question. Maybe it's not much worse than other 4x90 frames. I have maybe only skated the decode frame 5 to 10 times on cycling paths when I still used the 4x90 setup. Of those couple of times, I had maybe 2 or 3 times something getting stuck in my wheels. One time it almost caused me to fall at quite a decent speed. I could barely keep myself up on the other foot. Luckily there was no oncoming traffic at that particular moment, otherwise I would have crashed into someone. After that, I started using the Decode frame with the 3x125 wheels. With that, I have had many pebbles getting launched sideways, and I have had twigs being pulled in between the wheels, but it has never caused my wheels to jam like it did with the 4x90. Same with the 4x110 racing-frame I'm using at the moment. After maybe 500 to 1000 km of skating, never had any scary situation caused by debris between the wheels. I never skated any other frame with 4x90 than the Decode90, so I can't say if it is much different. But in a video on youtube of someone explaining their experience with the decode 110 frame, he also said that the 4x110mm wheels had the problem of catching debris. So I connected the dots there, thiking that it's because the decode frame extends so far below the upper (4x) row of axles, while the 3x large-wheel setup uses the lower row of holes, so the frame doesn't extend far below the axles. There are also 4x90 frames that go down only at the axles, and have more ground clearance between the wheels. I would expect those to have much less issues with debris getting stuck. Though I don't have the experience to confirm.
I own the silver version and decided to paint it with black plasti-dip. It comes in a spray can and the color can be peeled off whenever I desire to remove it, with no impact on the frame's finish.
Do you not have a Dremel tool with the tiny sanding drum accessory? Simply grind a very slight rounded relief where the larger wheels were rubbing against the boot or the frame. Quick and easy and keeps you lower overall. I did this in the past to fit larger wheels onto my K2's and no problems. Might get back into skating, so thinking PS boot with a nice 4x100 or 4x110 frame. I'm OLDER, but 6'-4" and 240 so need a proportionally longer frame. Nobody really talks about frame length as compared to skater height.. Just for cruising mostly, 15 or 20 miles on a sunny day.
Indeed, carving out some boot plastic could be a better solution for those who want to get the lowest possible ride. In my case I need to have the stride control spacers anyway. The new decode 4x100 frame seems a nice option to get some longer wheel base for taller people. But lots of other choices for rockered/non-rockered 4x100 too, nowadays.
I have an EU40 Next boot. I get the feeling this 'hack' won't fit, but it's nice to SEE it so that I may try. I have two friends who have 4110 frames. I rode that version of the 125 but I found, despite of the rocker, it was not agile since it had a longer wheelbase. This should be interesting.
Do let me know when you tried the 125mm with the size 40. The pitch control spacer set is around 6 euros. And maybe you can borrow some 125 wheels first, and see how much you'd actually need to lift the front.
Cool channel, I started quad skating back in May and picked up in-line and ice skating in Sept. My first in-line skate was the TR10 and I have no regrets. I have these frames and love them! I also have the decode 110 frames. How well do you like the Next boot? I’m thinking about getting the Next Outback 150 and your opinions seem spot on. My advise, take it of leave it…skate your frames with the instructions they come with…lol wait a minute you’re now saying it didn’t work. Good, my concern would be sacrificing the awesome technology in the frame by going against the recommended usage. Again, cool channel
Thanks @Darrick717, seems like we started skating at the same time! I just recently learned about the TR10 and put it at the top of my wish list. The Next is great for me now, but I had to do a lot of modifications to it, and still I need to wear the myfit neoprene socks to prevent sore spots. Luckily it's exactly the right size for me. I have a very low front foot, so on the front there's like half an inch of space above my foot, and the Next hard boot has zero flex in the front to tighten it there. So my front foot doesn't have much to grab and most of the support comes from the ankle buckle and the cuff. I have been struggling a lot with the laces underneath the buckles, which were very hard to tighten and untighten, while not doing much for support. So recently I replaced the laces with only a short piece between the ankle buckle and the front, which I never have to untie. I like the wiggle room I have for my toes in the front, but for that I had to stretch the neoprene front of the liners by keeping shoe tensioners inside. I removed the insole inside the liner and instead placed a superfeet insole in the boot, underneath the liner. I also replaced the cuff with a Razors cuff, because the power slide cuff was difficult to tighten. Now I'm quite happy with the Next, and I think it's comfortable enough for long distance skating. Except that my socks always get drenched in sweat. But I guess that's sort of the same with all skates. Or maybe a skate with a thinner liner and more breathing surfaces such as the TR10 might be less sweaty. Now that I'm getting more into slalom, I am considering to upgrade to the TR10, to get that front-foot support that I'm missing now. Since you already have the TR10 and you like it, why not just get the outback 150 frame and put it underneath your TR10s?
That's the sad thing about 90 frames on raised heel mounting, so tall that 125 fit 🥺 ...still my fave though, because it's good for all, urban, distance, wizard 🤩 Only reason I don't buy the decode, I got already 4 😅 rockered 90 frames...
Thanks for the detailed info on your experience with these frames. May I ask what size are your boots? For reference and also, the 125's on those frames may just work for your boots but not with other sizes/models.
Yes indeed it may not fit on all trinity boots, and perhaps not even on all sizes for the Next boot. My boot is size 42/43. I mentioned it in the video, but I'm sorry the video got a bit long, and I find it difficult to talk very clear. I hope other people who have tried it with other boots will add their experiences here in the comments. Note that even on my boot I needed the spacers to clear the front wheel. Definitely the most compact 3x125mm setup possible for my boots.
I think the bearing spin test is useless for the reasons provided. I would only use it to test the installation of spacers and axels. Many bearings may also arrive with grease but we often replace it with oil. I have noticed a remarkable difference in the....how do I say? Persistence of roll, when a bearing has grease. When I use oil, it feels like the wheels are more prone to slowing vs grease, which maintains it's momentum.
Interesting, that's like the opposite from what you'd expect. I'm curious to try one day maybe skating with thin speed-skating oil in the bearings on one foot and grease on the other. And also to compare the Wicked ABEC9 with the decode in the same way (using my powerslide frame with the Decode bearings turned inside out). I'm a bit skeptical about whether it would make any noticeable difference. I tend to think that bearing-cage noise and rust susceptibility are more important factors in anything else than competitive speed-skating.
Interesting, you don’t like the longer wheelbase? Or you would prefer other frames for having a longer wheelbase? After this experience I’m also wondering if there’s any point in rockering a long wheel base, as the rocker seems to reduce comfort on rough roads, which is the whole point for me to maybe want a long wheel base. Might as well get a long flat frame for that purpose then…
do you really need special bearings? can you just use washers? or what I would do - i would just get 6mm metal pipe and cut the washers of any size by myself, but I am a dude who tinkers with stuff. so can you use washers?
Yes, you can! I actually tried it recently and it worked, although it makes it a bit more fiddly to mount the wheels. The thickness needed is around 1.3 to 1.4mm, which is exactly the thickness of the washers I found at the hardware store. I used brass washers with an 8.4mm hole. Brass doesn't rust and the brass color looks nice, but stainless steel should be fine too. As long as the outer diameter is smaller than the outer race of the bearing, it will work. The bearing seals/covers do not seem to brush up against the washer. I think those covers are usually a bit recessed to the race edges.
...big wheels are not faster, it's a myth 🤓 more wheels are faster, because more rebound... But less wheels create less friction and so they keep speed longer... On a rockered setup you roll on two wheels only, but when you compress with the push all wheels create speed... I think 4x100 rockered is the most balanced setup of all 🤔 Happy for you the 125 fit, you handle them easy (one foot backward slalom, wow!)
4x100 rockered seems like a nice urban setup indeed. nice for some wizard skating as well as commuting. Although I am starting to become a bit addicted to the 3x125. Like you say, they keep their speed. It’s like floating, very relaxing at low speed, stable at high speed and, with the rocker, also agile for slalom and probably not too bad for wizard skating either.
@@InlinePilot yep, 125 is addictive, nothing easier to cruise around... Biggest downside (won't trouble you much in the Netherlands), on steep uphill you wish for 4 smaller wheels...
Hi BlobBlopkins, yes I'm still using them. Currently mostly with 3x125, because the large wheels glide so well. I wouldn't say it's a heavy frame. But on 4x90 the frame extends lower beyond the axles. If you just want 4x90, then a dedicated 4x90 frame will be a bit lighter and also have better ground clearance, perhaps reducing the chance to get twigs or stones caught between the wheels and frame. This happened to me a couple of times on 4x90 and it scared the s*t out of me.
Freespin is not entirely irrelevant, but most people seriously overestimate how important bearing quality is. As long as it's not trashed, you are fine. Something I've realised lately is, a lot of people especially here on youtube focus too much on the technical side of inline skating. It's like photography, you can take a shitty camera and take amazing photos, or an amazing camera but it's not really the camera that should be the focus, but the subject of your pictures. In the same way, inline skating is about exploring the outdoors, doing cool tricks, learning techniques, getting fit, meeting new people, not about inline skates themselves if that makes sense. You will get a lot more enjoyment out of it this way imo.
Hahaha, I'm also a new inline skater, bought my first inlines on the Powerslide Next White 3x125 and have since had 2 broken wrists (distal radius) left, then right, (one without surgery, one requiring titanium plates and rods to be operated into my arm, then removed 1 year later) and a broken thumb. I'm also very tall, 203cm with a us 13 boot, and those stock small 255mm 125 trs were deadly as a beginner. HalleluYAH! All thanks and praise to our Heavenly Father I'm even alive after going down a slight hill on that original frame.
Very interested in these Icon frames, even the new 100 decode frame. Thanks for your video brother. Hope you have safe skating.
Wow so sorry to hear you had to go through all that suffering, and glad you have survived and are persevering in skating despite it all! I think maybe I'd better include some more warnings in my videos about skating safely.
Thanks for letting me know about the new Decode 100 frame. That indeed looks like a nice stable option, with the 4x100 or the 5 wheel setup.
I started to really love the short 253mm base of 3x125mm on the Decode 90 for doing tricks indoors. But I haven't started skating much outdoors with it yet. To be safe on the streets, I still want to improve my braking skills and building leg strength for staying lower for longer.
Hope you're going to be safer in the future. I'm working on some videos about learning the powerslide braking technique, so maybe that might be helpful to others too.
@@InlinePilot Yeah, I learned heaps through it all though, HalleluYAH! Got lots of time off of my new skates to try research into frames, height to frame wheel base ratios etc. It's really important to have good geometry in skating, as I founded out, having my boot size be far larger than the wheel base of the frame made it like trying to balance on a ruling barrel haha....be very deadly. I'm sure the ability might be fun one day but for now I'll use the marathon 3x125 frames likely for fitness, or trail skating, and maybe look at getting these new icon decode Pro 110 or 100 for some even longer wheelbase frames, with 3, 4, and 5 wheel setups. I especially like the rocker abilities, both banana and V rocker, pluss flat. Plus a h block aggressive option. Love this idea, so amazing.
@@InlinePilot Think many would likely enjoy those type of videos. I know I would.
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You should have gone for the TR Decode Pro 110 frame as it can fit 3x125 wheels. It can also accommodate x5 wheels for wizard skating.
Thank you for the detailed explanation!
Great review and useful information. I am planning to purchase an inline skates for slalom skating style. Thanks for the information.
Thanks, glad to help in your search for a slalom setup. Slalom is awesome, hope to be able to do that some day too!
Hey @inlinepilot! I really appreciate your videos about the Decode 90 frames, especially as there's so little info and reviews about them online.🙏 I recently bought Iqon CL20s that come with these frames, because i wanted a primarily 4x90mm set up that can also accommodate bigger wheels, and these seemed great and were recommended by a friend. Although, the CL20s come set up with 3x110mm wheels, despite the frame supposedly being primarily for a 4x90 set up.😳 And it turns out that the friend that recommended them hasn't used them with the decode frame, as he switched it out for a different one he'd already bought.🤦♂️
You talk about how much you love the frames because of their versatility, but in one of the above comments you said they're not great with the 4x90 set up, because of the lower ground clearance of the frames and the ease that stones and twigs get stuck in the wheels/ frames, so you're mainly using them only for the bigger wheeled set up. Would you not recommend these for a 4x90 set up, as suggested in your other comment? I'm seriously considering returning the skates because of the apparent 2 key issues with them: 1) the restrictive proprietary bearings issue (even Iqon don't have the standard gold bearings listen on their website, other than being sold with the frame or as the expensive ceramic version) and 2) the issue you highlighted with the 4x90 set up. It doesn't sound at all good if twigs and stones get easily stuck when used for their primary wheel set up.😳
@markh2800 Hi Mark, the CL20 together with the Decode90 frame seems like a good deal. Buying the Decode90 frame separately is almost the price of the CL20 including the frame. But if you really have no use for the Decode90 frame and you have to buy another one now, it doesn't matter how great of a deal it is, of course.
I like the 4x90 rockered on the decode90 frame to practice technique and for flat-ground/wizard skating at a clean area. Then the ground clearance is no issue. I'm guessing the 3x125 wouldn't fit on the non-trinity version of the frame. But if they do, there's no other 3x125 rockered frame that comes close to it in compactness/agility.
I'm not a fan of 3x110 (as my 42 foot size is large enough to be comfortable with 3x125), and I wouldn't use the 4x90 setup on the decode90 for street or recreation, due to the twigs/stones issue. Hope that helps your consideration.
@@InlinePilot Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences, that's really helpful.🙏 It's such a shame, because the CL20 skates look and fit great (i'm an EU45 and 201cm tall), but the issues with them mean it's better for me to change them for different skates while I still can. Glad you're really happy with the frames and are getting what you want from them though! Keep up with the good videos and enjoy your skating adventure!
@@InlinePilot Hi again! May I ask a bit more information about how the twigs/ stones caused you problems on the 4x90 set up with these frames? I compared the ground clearance between the decode 90 frames and another brand of skates I was looking at, and there is 1cm less ground clearance on the Decode 4x90 set up (3cm versus 4cm). But the 4x80 skates I started on had even less ground clearance (2cm) and i've seen videos of other 4x90 frame set ups that are also low ground clearance, but are still recommended for general use/ street skating. So, I'm curious if there's something specific/ unique to these frames that caused you the problems with getting objects stuck in them? Is it the distance between the wheels as well as the 3cm frames ground clearance or something else? Have you skated with different 4x90 frames that you found better than these frames?
@@markh2800 Good question. Maybe it's not much worse than other 4x90 frames. I have maybe only skated the decode frame 5 to 10 times on cycling paths when I still used the 4x90 setup. Of those couple of times, I had maybe 2 or 3 times something getting stuck in my wheels. One time it almost caused me to fall at quite a decent speed. I could barely keep myself up on the other foot. Luckily there was no oncoming traffic at that particular moment, otherwise I would have crashed into someone. After that, I started using the Decode frame with the 3x125 wheels. With that, I have had many pebbles getting launched sideways, and I have had twigs being pulled in between the wheels, but it has never caused my wheels to jam like it did with the 4x90. Same with the 4x110 racing-frame I'm using at the moment. After maybe 500 to 1000 km of skating, never had any scary situation caused by debris between the wheels.
I never skated any other frame with 4x90 than the Decode90, so I can't say if it is much different. But in a video on youtube of someone explaining their experience with the decode 110 frame, he also said that the 4x110mm wheels had the problem of catching debris. So I connected the dots there, thiking that it's because the decode frame extends so far below the upper (4x) row of axles, while the 3x large-wheel setup uses the lower row of holes, so the frame doesn't extend far below the axles.
There are also 4x90 frames that go down only at the axles, and have more ground clearance between the wheels. I would expect those to have much less issues with debris getting stuck. Though I don't have the experience to confirm.
I own the silver version and decided to paint it with black plasti-dip. It comes in a spray can and the color can be peeled off whenever I desire to remove it, with no impact on the frame's finish.
Interesting idea, thanks for that tip!
Do you not have a Dremel tool with the tiny sanding drum accessory? Simply grind a very slight rounded relief where the larger wheels were rubbing against the boot or the frame. Quick and easy and keeps you lower overall. I did this in the past to fit larger wheels onto my K2's and no problems. Might get back into skating, so thinking PS boot with a nice 4x100 or 4x110 frame. I'm OLDER, but 6'-4" and 240 so need a proportionally longer frame. Nobody really talks about frame length as compared to skater height.. Just for cruising mostly, 15 or 20 miles on a sunny day.
Indeed, carving out some boot plastic could be a better solution for those who want to get the lowest possible ride. In my case I need to have the stride control spacers anyway.
The new decode 4x100 frame seems a nice option to get some longer wheel base for taller people. But lots of other choices for rockered/non-rockered 4x100 too, nowadays.
I have an EU40 Next boot. I get the feeling this 'hack' won't fit, but it's nice to SEE it so that I may try. I have two friends who have 4110 frames. I rode that version of the 125 but I found, despite of the rocker, it was not agile since it had a longer wheelbase. This should be interesting.
Do let me know when you tried the 125mm with the size 40. The pitch control spacer set is around 6 euros. And maybe you can borrow some 125 wheels first, and see how much you'd actually need to lift the front.
Cool channel, I started quad skating back in May and picked up in-line and ice skating in Sept. My first in-line skate was the TR10 and I have no regrets.
I have these frames and love them! I also have the decode 110 frames.
How well do you like the Next boot? I’m thinking about getting the Next Outback 150 and your opinions seem spot on.
My advise, take it of leave it…skate your frames with the instructions they come with…lol wait a minute you’re now saying it didn’t work. Good, my concern would be sacrificing the awesome technology in the frame by going against the recommended usage.
Again, cool channel
Thanks @Darrick717, seems like we started skating at the same time! I just recently learned about the TR10 and put it at the top of my wish list.
The Next is great for me now, but I had to do a lot of modifications to it, and still I need to wear the myfit neoprene socks to prevent sore spots.
Luckily it's exactly the right size for me. I have a very low front foot, so on the front there's like half an inch of space above my foot, and the Next hard boot has zero flex in the front to tighten it there. So my front foot doesn't have much to grab and most of the support comes from the ankle buckle and the cuff. I have been struggling a lot with the laces underneath the buckles, which were very hard to tighten and untighten, while not doing much for support. So recently I replaced the laces with only a short piece between the ankle buckle and the front, which I never have to untie. I like the wiggle room I have for my toes in the front, but for that I had to stretch the neoprene front of the liners by keeping shoe tensioners inside. I removed the insole inside the liner and instead placed a superfeet insole in the boot, underneath the liner. I also replaced the cuff with a Razors cuff, because the power slide cuff was difficult to tighten. Now I'm quite happy with the Next, and I think it's comfortable enough for long distance skating. Except that my socks always get drenched in sweat. But I guess that's sort of the same with all skates. Or maybe a skate with a thinner liner and more breathing surfaces such as the TR10 might be less sweaty. Now that I'm getting more into slalom, I am considering to upgrade to the TR10, to get that front-foot support that I'm missing now.
Since you already have the TR10 and you like it, why not just get the outback 150 frame and put it underneath your TR10s?
That's the sad thing about 90 frames on raised heel mounting, so tall that 125 fit 🥺 ...still my fave though, because it's good for all, urban, distance, wizard 🤩
Only reason I don't buy the decode, I got already 4 😅 rockered 90 frames...
Thanks for the detailed info on your experience with these frames. May I ask what size are your boots? For reference and also, the 125's on those frames may just work for your boots but not with other sizes/models.
Yes indeed it may not fit on all trinity boots, and perhaps not even on all sizes for the Next boot. My boot is size 42/43. I mentioned it in the video, but I'm sorry the video got a bit long, and I find it difficult to talk very clear. I hope other people who have tried it with other boots will add their experiences here in the comments. Note that even on my boot I needed the spacers to clear the front wheel. Definitely the most compact 3x125mm setup possible for my boots.
VERY DOPE!
I think the bearing spin test is useless for the reasons provided. I would only use it to test the installation of spacers and axels. Many bearings may also arrive with grease but we often replace it with oil. I have noticed a remarkable difference in the....how do I say? Persistence of roll, when a bearing has grease. When I use oil, it feels like the wheels are more prone to slowing vs grease, which maintains it's momentum.
Interesting, that's like the opposite from what you'd expect. I'm curious to try one day maybe skating with thin speed-skating oil in the bearings on one foot and grease on the other. And also to compare the Wicked ABEC9 with the decode in the same way (using my powerslide frame with the Decode bearings turned inside out). I'm a bit skeptical about whether it would make any noticeable difference. I tend to think that bearing-cage noise and rust susceptibility are more important factors in anything else than competitive speed-skating.
nice frame, if it ware me i wouldnt go for 4 tymes 110 as an new frame
Interesting, you don’t like the longer wheelbase? Or you would prefer other frames for having a longer wheelbase? After this experience I’m also wondering if there’s any point in rockering a long wheel base, as the rocker seems to reduce comfort on rough roads, which is the whole point for me to maybe want a long wheel base. Might as well get a long flat frame for that purpose then…
do you really need special bearings? can you just use washers? or what I would do - i would just get 6mm metal pipe and cut the washers of any size by myself, but I am a dude who tinkers with stuff. so can you use washers?
Yes, you can! I actually tried it recently and it worked, although it makes it a bit more fiddly to mount the wheels. The thickness needed is around 1.3 to 1.4mm, which is exactly the thickness of the washers I found at the hardware store. I used brass washers with an 8.4mm hole. Brass doesn't rust and the brass color looks nice, but stainless steel should be fine too. As long as the outer diameter is smaller than the outer race of the bearing, it will work. The bearing seals/covers do not seem to brush up against the washer. I think those covers are usually a bit recessed to the race edges.
...big wheels are not faster, it's a myth 🤓 more wheels are faster, because more rebound... But less wheels create less friction and so they keep speed longer... On a rockered setup you roll on two wheels only, but when you compress with the push all wheels create speed... I think 4x100 rockered is the most balanced setup of all 🤔
Happy for you the 125 fit, you handle them easy (one foot backward slalom, wow!)
4x100 rockered seems like a nice urban setup indeed. nice for some wizard skating as well as commuting. Although I am starting to become a bit addicted to the 3x125. Like you say, they keep their speed. It’s like floating, very relaxing at low speed, stable at high speed and, with the rocker, also agile for slalom and probably not too bad for wizard skating either.
@@InlinePilot yep, 125 is addictive, nothing easier to cruise around... Biggest downside (won't trouble you much in the Netherlands), on steep uphill you wish for 4 smaller wheels...
Hey mate, are you still using them? I've read that this is the heaviest frames on the market, is it comfortable?
Hi BlobBlopkins, yes I'm still using them. Currently mostly with 3x125, because the large wheels glide so well. I wouldn't say it's a heavy frame. But on 4x90 the frame extends lower beyond the axles. If you just want 4x90, then a dedicated 4x90 frame will be a bit lighter and also have better ground clearance, perhaps reducing the chance to get twigs or stones caught between the wheels and frame. This happened to me a couple of times on 4x90 and it scared the s*t out of me.
@@InlinePilot thank you for so detailed description. Really helpful. Then maybe endless 4x90 would be better
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