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Exactly, especially because of the rockered setup. I found them vey useful to look it my own skating in the videos too and see where I’m putting my weight.

@@NekoZika awesome you can now t- and powerstop together. Much better for controlling the final stop location. If you want to do a powerslide, it’s easier to start from going backwards, so the forward to backwards transitioning is important. But if you are fine with your other braking and stoping methods that don’t involve rolling backwards, it’s not really needed, I guess. I also just like to learn it anyway, as I had always been very impressed by seeing others ice skating backwards when I was a child, and it seemed so impossible that it intrigued me. So it became kind of a goal in itself for me. And my backwards skills are useful sometimes to save myself from falling when unexpected things happen, such as another skater crashing in to me…

@@InlinePilot appreciate, thank for advice. Maybe if next time i wanna explore more skating skill, i would learn this thing😁

That's such an intersting point you made there. It seems like most inline skaters think the other way around: they want to progress in order to ditch the heel brake. While maybe it's that they're just not ready to safely use a heel brake yet, because first needing to be more comfortable with crossovers and one-foot-rolling. That's why I'm now working on a video about getting more comfortable with crossvers and the heel brake. Thank you for your input 👍

@markh2800 Hi Mark, the CL20 together with the Decode90 frame seems like a good deal. Buying the Decode90 frame separately is almost the price of the CL20 including the frame. But if you really have no use for the Decode90 frame and you have to buy another one now, it doesn't matter how great of a deal it is, of course. I like the 4x90 rockered on the decode90 frame to practice technique and for flat-ground/wizard skating at a clean area. Then the ground clearance is no issue. I'm guessing the 3x125 wouldn't fit on the non-trinity version of the frame. But if they do, there's no other 3x125 rockered frame that comes close to it in compactness/agility. I'm not a fan of 3x110 (as my 42 foot size is large enough to be comfortable with 3x125), and I wouldn't use the 4x90 setup on the decode90 for street or recreation, due to the twigs/stones issue. Hope that helps your consideration.

@@InlinePilot Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences, that's really helpful.🙏 It's such a shame, because the CL20 skates look and fit great (i'm an EU45 and 201cm tall), but the issues with them mean it's better for me to change them for different skates while I still can. Glad you're really happy with the frames and are getting what you want from them though! Keep up with the good videos and enjoy your skating adventure!

@@InlinePilot Hi again! May I ask a bit more information about how the twigs/ stones caused you problems on the 4x90 set up with these frames? I compared the ground clearance between the decode 90 frames and another brand of skates I was looking at, and there is 1cm less ground clearance on the Decode 4x90 set up (3cm versus 4cm). But the 4x80 skates I started on had even less ground clearance (2cm) and i've seen videos of other 4x90 frame set ups that are also low ground clearance, but are still recommended for general use/ street skating. So, I'm curious if there's something specific/ unique to these frames that caused you the problems with getting objects stuck in them? Is it the distance between the wheels as well as the 3cm frames ground clearance or something else? Have you skated with different 4x90 frames that you found better than these frames?

@@markh2800 Good question. Maybe it's not much worse than other 4x90 frames. I have maybe only skated the decode frame 5 to 10 times on cycling paths when I still used the 4x90 setup. Of those couple of times, I had maybe 2 or 3 times something getting stuck in my wheels. One time it almost caused me to fall at quite a decent speed. I could barely keep myself up on the other foot. Luckily there was no oncoming traffic at that particular moment, otherwise I would have crashed into someone. After that, I started using the Decode frame with the 3x125 wheels. With that, I have had many pebbles getting launched sideways, and I have had twigs being pulled in between the wheels, but it has never caused my wheels to jam like it did with the 4x90. Same with the 4x110 racing-frame I'm using at the moment. After maybe 500 to 1000 km of skating, never had any scary situation caused by debris between the wheels. I never skated any other frame with 4x90 than the Decode90, so I can't say if it is much different. But in a video on youtube of someone explaining their experience with the decode 110 frame, he also said that the 4x110mm wheels had the problem of catching debris. So I connected the dots there, thiking that it's because the decode frame extends so far below the upper (4x) row of axles, while the 3x large-wheel setup uses the lower row of holes, so the frame doesn't extend far below the axles. There are also 4x90 frames that go down only at the axles, and have more ground clearance between the wheels. I would expect those to have much less issues with debris getting stuck. Though I don't have the experience to confirm.

Thank you, apparently it's obvious my engineering background leeks into everything I do 😁 Enjoy trying out the exercise!

I don't really see it as a crutch or training wheel holding you back. Ofc if you want to do slalom it's not really possible, but when you're going very fast in traffic i have to say you'd have to be at stoppard's level with your slides to be able to slow down faster and safer than using both a t stop and a heel brake simultaneously. Personally, depending on how busy the streets are when I go out and how lazy I feel ( i feel like i have to concentrate much more when i just have slides as a stopping method) i either go for my 80 s with no heel brake or with my 90 s with a heel brake

@sergeya Somehow the foot angle doesn’t seem to matter much for me. By itself it wasn’t enough to stabilize.

For me, angle not cause anything. The main part in T stop is how much you can relieve weight on back foot/drag stop. more less, more easy. Bcoz of that, one leg roll really help

Hi Niels, awesome you started skating recently in your 40s. Hope you keep enjoying the learning process. It's very rewarding to see you can learn skills and get better at them. But getting to a level at which to skate confidently takes time, counted more in years than in weeks... Especially to get comfortable with the city environment. But if you keep it up, you can reach most of the goals you set for yourself, if not all.

Yeah this light falls short of illuminating the road. It's good enough to find your way in the dark, but not enough to spot cracks, bumps and potholes in the road in time to avoid them. Something with a reflector to focus the beam (like a torch) is also going to help a lot to see what's coming ahead.

@@InlinePilot yeah, I saw a flashlight with a rectangular beam (designed for cyclists I guess), should be the perfect option

Thank you! The flat and slightly dusty surface of the parking garage is ideal to practice braking, and slalom, and no one around to bump into ☺

Great to hear, happy braking! 😄

Hope it helps, let us know how it went!

@@InlinePilot went roller blading this morning, and here to confirm it works! I was practicing on the sidewalk (London has smooth stone that are in squares) and every now and then I would catch an edge, but when I tried it on the tarmac it worked well! Thanks for the video.

@@kapowshi thanks for reporting back and awesome to hear that it worked!

Yes you can start from either separate brake and add the other. I find it easier to start with the heel brake, just because the deceleration lightens up the back foot. But the other way around definitely works as well, as you can also see Natan's method to learn the Magic Slide that I linked in the video description.

Same here ! I used alternatively T-stop and heel brake, never thought to use both at the same time 🤔 I also used external methods to stop like a mate on a bike with real effective brakes 😂 But it's not very convenient, you always need to motivate someone to go with you 🤣 @InlinePilot Don't you have any balance problems on steep downhill? I mean... With T-stop and heel brake, the foot not stopping is keeping your body weight, so your balance 🤔 If you go with two unbalanced foot with both methods combined in steep curved slope, how do you manage your balance and your trajectory? Anyway, i'll try this, it's interesting 🤔 I really want to feel how it goes 😂 But wait... one thing catches my attention: I think my braking foot is the same with T-stop and heel break 😅 So I'll need to chose which foot will use which brake method 😱 I'll keep all my protection pads trying this 🤣

@@kyw78 I saw you already read my answer about steering and braking in the other thread 😉. It's not easy to learn and I fell down as well, as you could see. So definitely have all the protection you can get 😁. As any other new skill on skates, it requires hundreds of repetitions before feeling more confident with it. But, as I discovered with the T-Stop, active positioning of that dragging foot is possible using the weight distribution between the front and back of the dragging skate. And I guess that people doing the Magic Slide must also be using some similar way to adjust their back foot and prevent turning around during the slide, otherwise it wouldn't be very safe to do at high speed.

@balazstudos3858 Thank you for your detailed observations. Finding things to improve is one of the advantages of making video recordings of your own skating. You're right about too much flex in my boots. I have an extremely low front foot and a narrow heel, so these hard boots are not ideal for me for skating on such a high setup. Due to doing a lot of edge practice I'm okay skating on the 3x125 for now, but once I have saved up some money I'll definitely be looking for a good freestyle slalom boot that fits me better. Then I'll put my 4x110 frame on these boots for much more relaxing skate trips. I have done +30 km skates with the 3x125, just because it gives me the biggest smile on my face of all the different setups I have tried, even with the extra focus and energy that it requires. In the link below you can see that I am comfortable in my one-footed slaloms on this setup. My favorite exercises to train my (outside) edge control are power-pulls and cross-rolls, which are figure-skating exercises. th-cam.com/video/ctZB4PF9Sug/w-d-xo.html Since I've already got Trinity frames now, I'm kind of stuck with Powerslide and Iqon. So I'd probably have to choose between the Tau, the HC evo or the TR10. Having a front foot strap or laces that can be tightened in the front will be crucial to get my low front foot locked in. Any recommendations very welcome 😊

Here in the Netherlands the problem is even worse than with hills. We have a lot of canals, so we also have a lot of old steep bridges with bricks, uneven pavement or wooden planks with gaps between them. And bridges usually have a crossroads right at the bottom.

Necessary, but not sufficient. I’ve been able to do one-footed slaloms left and right until at a standstill, for more than a year, and pretty fast, too. But I still couldn’t hold the t-stop on one side for very long. So there’s definitely more to it than just skating on one foot, and my legs apparently were not smart enough to figure it out by themselves.

I am planning to eventually do that at the final stop instead of the lunge turn, to keep it a small as possible. But as Bill shows and says, at high speed it just turns into a parallel slide, which is not always possible where I skate.

@@InlinePilot he usually does a drag stop, sometimes, on both feet to lower the speed before the cinematic power stop action.

@@fknid yes it's similar, I'm just adding the heel brake to the drag stop to slow down quicker than just using the drag stop.

Haha, yeah doesn't sound like much of an improvement if you put it like that 😆 The first difference is that if the braking is spread over both feet, you can keep the front heel wheel rolling while applying the heel brake. And a dragging back foot still has more directional control than a foot that doesn't even really touch the ground anymore. Though, to be honest, I can't really say yet how well it will do round a bend, because on flat ground the braking distance is too short to test that. I'd have to try it out on a steep downhill. Secondly, having more braking power allows a quick speed reduction before going into a corner. It's easy to quickly switch between having the dragging foot or having only the heel brake, so less need to overload the heel brake, allowing to keep the front foot rolling on the heel all the time.

​@@InlinePilotoh sorry, you answered my question here, didn't see. Thanks 😂🙏

Thanks! I kind of gave up on using the powerslide on the street for now. Especially after I tried it once on some really old asphalt with the stones sticking out. One short slide and I already had a big flat spot on my 125mm wheel 😬. Like sliding on a cheese grater. But I was also wondering how I'd ever go down those small arched wooden bicycle bridges with wooden planks with gaps between them. Curious to try them out once I have this magic heel brake fully dialed in.

@@InlinePilot about 2 weeks ago I was skating backwards with some roller-mate, he did a powerslide fully perpendicular (90 degrees between foot) and eat the ground as soon as found a tile edge, I did a soul-like powerslide diagonally breaking and all good, so I think that's the approach to irregularities try to slide the foot in a way that stops while moving over.

@@vie-on-whitte Interesting, hope your buddy was alright after that. So seems like a powerslide could work on regular tile/brick patterns, by adjusting the sliding-skate angle, making sure that it's sufficiently different from the direction of the ground pattern.

Awesome! 😄

For me it was too loose indeed, but my front foot is really low, and the hard boot cannot be tightened at the front. I like the extra toe space, but you want the part between the ankle buckle and the toes to be tightly locked in the boot. I solved it by tying fixed laces in the part in front of the ankle buckle while having the ankle buckle tightened without my foot in the boot. I can now push my foot into the skate without ever loosening those laces and it really squeezes my mid-foot in place.

@TT-rg6yc Indeed, for me it's not really pain but my feet go totally numb after about 50 meters. It's much worse with 3 wheels than 4, and I also find it worse with rockered wheels than with a flat setup. They say that the inflatable-wheels have a lot more rolling resistance on the street, so instead I have tried out a lightweight 13.2 inch 4x110mm frame. It's much more bearable than 3x125mm wheels. And also less tiring due to the stability of the long frame. Should be even better with a longer downhill frame. Powerslide has a 125-110-110-125 downhill frame. That must be the best for bricks. But I'm afraid such a long heavy setup might take away a bit of the fun due to reduced agility.

Thanks!

Thank you 🙂

I have two heel brakes to be able to change sides and have a spare brake in case one of them fails. I tried once to use both heel brakes at the same time. It felt very scary, because I had to put both feet beyond my center. I think it must be possible to rely on the friction to keep you from falling. I know quad skaters can learn to do it backwards on their toe stops and it seems to be the best braking method for them. This magic heel brake feels much safer to me. But maybe I'll give the double heel brake another go later.

@@InlinePilot HAHA im tempted to put the brake back on my ancient salomons. I made it off a 2 meter high quarter pipe for the first time last week on my powerslides next but I still dont dare go down a long bridge. I might try bridges with the heel brake or magic heel brake :) i tried carving on a part of the bridge but i still gain way too much speed. so heel brakes it is untill i can moderate my speed or feel safe with high speed.

@@kingpinda2 definitely interesting how it can feel alright to throw yourself off of a one story high halfpipe, yet terrifying to roll down a regular bridge . I know the feeling. I always assumed the heel brake would limit my freedom of movement, yet I eventually ended up feeling liberated by it .

@Neosublimation interesting, so your T-Stop is actually a perfect T and not an L? Or only at the end? Does that mean your wheels are not turning during the drag? Don’t you get flat spots then? Makes sense that draggjng closer by will be less likely to throw you off balance. When I do a backwards drag my feet are much closer and don’t really have this sideways pull I had with the forwards TStop. Unless I deliberately drag on my heel to turn into the inverted mohawk.

@@InlinePilot I have observed this more closely in the past week. At higher speeds it is indeed an L. But when coming closer to a stop I find the T better. I actually don't know whether the weels are spinning. Probably during the L and less during the T. And yeah, practicing slides (not only T/L brake, but also soul slide) has worn off my wheels a lot.

@@Neosublimation thanks for reporting your findings back here! Makes sense. Of course wheel wear is expected. Flat spots are the worst, so probably you don’t get them because you have an L-drag at higher speed then.

Thanks a lot for your detailed description of how you T-brake. Sounds good to me, especially if it works well for you to effectively brake. I can't judge whether there's anything that can be improved about that. Maybe some more experienced skaters are able to provide some useful comments or acknowledgement. I only have a bit more than 2 years of experience in inline skating, so my main focus on this channel is sharing what is helping me as a beginner/intermediate skater that I haven't seen much, or at all, in the instructions of others. I'm curious, though, what moves are you wanting to improve on?

@@InlinePilot Thanks for your answer 😊🙏 Well, I still can skate backward 😅 I'm pretty sure it's in my head because I can easily turn around without falling. I can jump, up and down stairs or sidewalks one foot by one or with a jump... But when I try to go backward, I think I'm just scared to fall and it blocks me 😅 I also have a leg shorter than the other, so my balance is not equal on both feet, I'm like stuck in comfortable positions I always use but it's really hard to switch my main leg. I know everyone has a better side, but I feel really locked on my right side. For example, if I try to stand on my left foot, I just lost balance in few seconds, but with my right one I can stay indefinitely, taking speed or losing it when I want/need. I also got injured, not rollerblading but motorcycle accident, twice. I'm now affraid for my knees and neck, I know one more bad fall could have dramatic consequences but I can't stop rollerblading, I just love it so much 😂 So I return to basics, trying to understand theory to fight fear and regain confidence in myself and my capacities to have good reactions in perilous situations 😅 Videos like yours are very interesting because you explain how it works for you and it allows to compare with my habits and see what is different. I think we all adjust our balance in our personal way. That's why I shared my way in return, maybe it can help someone else 😉🙏

@@kyw78 Thanks for sharing that. I was having limitations with my left leg for a while. I just couldn't get any thrust out of the underpush. It took me a long time to figure out that it was that I was simply not bending my left knee as much as my right, so there was no spring in my left leg to unwind and make that push. I also had returning pain in my left knee after intensive skating. So the solution for me was to build muscle strength by training off-skate doing sustained deep leg lunges, while making sure to keep the knee joint perfectly straight. Maybe that might help you too. I actually have a video about how I learned backwards skating, but it was not titled like that. Now that you shared this I realised my mistake and adapted the title and thumbnail to show that it's mostly about backwards skating. My main point is that learning backwards skating is like learning to skate all over again. And the first thing I needed to learn (just like I did for forwards skating) is to balance rolling on one foot, and do that for both feet. After I could do that, I was able to roll in the scissors position backwards, do parallel turns and start learning crossovers. Here is the link to the video: th-cam.com/video/IP80uYCGzRg/w-d-xo.html

@@InlinePilot Thanks ! I watched your video and I totally agree with the notion of new skill. Even the fact of looking on your back when you go backwards, maybe it's one of the things that blocked my mind... 🤔 I wear glasses and I guess you're looking with the side part of your eyes... The part glasses doesn't cover ? Maybe it restricted me to feel I know what is behind me and feel safe to go backwards. I guess I have to find my own balance with my both body and eyes capacities/restrictions. Your exercises are interesting, I'll try it. But I have one question, because maybe I'm wrong from the beginning with this : you always begin forward before going backwards? You never start backwards from the very beginning of your move? I wanted to learn to push and stop backwards before taking any speed, but maybe I'm wrong and I should work on transitions with a minimal speed instead of trying to start backwards... 🤔 I think I will try to switch from forward to backwards with one foot, it could help, and work on my transitions could help me to feel more comfortable backwards... 🤔 Another question, when you make the reversed T-stop, when your perpendicular foot is in front of you, how do you do not blocking your wheels on scratches from the ground? Just getting lower? I just need to bend my rolling knee more? Anyway, thank you so much for your answers, I really enjoy talking theory, even if I'm not fluent and it's quite hard to speak technical stuff in English 😂 Another new skill in progress 😁👍

@@kyw78You're doing pretty good with your English, it's not so bad at all. I'm not native English either, by the way, I'm Dutch. Thanks for taking the effort to have this discussion and practice our English together! It's definitely helpful in the beginning to be able to look sideways out of your eyes when going backwards. But if you get more comfortable with it, you will be able open your hips, turn your whole upper body and also turn your head sideways, to look backwards more straight. So I think this problem with the glasses should improve, eventually. I'm still not fully there either, btw. Interesting you noticed me starting forwards all the time. I haven't really thought about that. I think it's partly to practice my transitions, but mainly because when going backwards I don't really like pushing off on an inside edge and then lifting up my foot. When going backwards, I mostly use underpushes or criss-cross motions without taking any foot off the ground, which works better when already having some speed. I sometimes start off on an underpush-turn straight into backwards, but I'm not good at accelerating backwards from low speeds yet. That's something I'd like to learn, and also develop some strong calf-muscles to do that. For the backwards T-Stop, I'm not sure if I understood your question correctly, but I think you're asking about how I don't get my dragging wheels catching on irregularities in the road. When I do a backwards T-Stop I first put practically all my weight on the rolling foot. And, like you said, drop down, and then start the drag with the other foot. I keep both knees close together as well, practically touching. From that X-like stance, without much weight on the dragging foot, it doesn't really matter much what surface it is dragged on. But it was difficult for me to do this on my left leg as the rolling leg, because my right leg is my dominant leg. So putting all my weight on the left leg was counter-intuitive in the beginning. And going low on that left leg was more difficult too, because it was a bit weaker, just like it was with the under push.

Thanks for your detailed perspective! I'm sure that strength and pose have a lot to contribute to a successful T-Stop, as they do for so many other skating skills as well. In the end, stability comes from feedback. Either passive, like an arrow being pushed back straight by the air, or active, like the steering of a boat. So it's not just about force, but how that force is directed so that deviations are countered by a correcting force. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your description sounds to me like you believe you have found a passive stability in your T-Stop, so that you can remain static and still be stable. On the other hand, I can imagine that dragging only on the toe, or only on the heel, while not having the other wheels on the ground, can also allow for changing the point of contact to the ground, relative to the ankle/leg/hips, to apply an active feedback similar to changing the placement of weight between front and back when all wheels are kept on the ground. To be honest, I can't really explain the physics of why the method I'm showing here actually works. It would make more sense to me that changing the angle of the dragging skate makes a bigger difference than where it has the most friction on the ground. Maybe it's just that it indirectly causes the foot angle to change, even though it feels to me like there's more to it. I don't know. I will keep experimenting and maybe one day my experience and my conscious understanding will meet each other and shake hands 😆

Awesome, very curious how it goes for you. Love how you’re also sharing your beginner’s experiences on your channel. 👏

Your symptom sounds very familiar indeed, hope now you can finally get that foot under control 🙂 Please let me know if it helps or not.

@@InlinePilot I managed to come to a full stop on both sides with your tip!! When I drag with my right foot, I need to focus on my heel. With the left foot I need to focus more on my toe! Thank you so much for uploading these videos! I'm going to try circling the 3 cones next :D

@@jolijn4263 Awesome you progressed in your drag stop now, congrats! 👏👏 Interesting there's a difference between both sides. Maybe something different in your pose, knee bend or the angle of your dragging skate. But at least you have a stable basis to start playing around with it now. I realised later that with skating around those 3 cones, I didn't really follow Tiago's original idea. I definitely have to give that another try and do it at higher speeds to get into those small drifts by using lunge turns instead of parallel turns. Still so much to learn with that for me also 😊. Thank you so much for returning to report on your results! 👍

@@InlinePilot There are some unusual circumstances: I didn't skate for 8 months due to winter and an injury, and this was my second time getting back to it on new skates! So my balance was less than ideal... Which makes it extra impressive that I just solved a problem I had last year so quickly with your tip!! Generally speaking, I pronate on one side only, and one knee bends more easily than the other. Last year I focused on balancing on 1 leg and changing the angle of my foot to try and do a t-stop. Clearly I was focusing on the wrong thing! I saw Tiago's video too! My cones are coming the mail today... Summer is back yayyy! Time to put on my skates and repeat what I learned yesterday!

@@jolijn4263 Wow seems quite clear the trick didn't just work for me then. That's exactly why I thought others should know this too, nice! Although pronation can have different reasons, for me I solved it by shifting my frame to the inside. On the right foot much more than on the left. Once you're close, a shift of 1 millimeter can make a big difference, but I needed to shift it at least 5mm sideways on the heel bolt. Have been planning to make a video about that. Maybe after the next. My main way to tell whether to shift the frame more to the inside, is to feel whether I need to press more to the outside of my foot to get on the edge of my skate (to get to the point where you don't fall to either side). Now that I ride on edge with equal weight on both sides of my feet, everything's so much more stable and easy. Enjoy skating around your new cones! 🤗

That would be dangerous indeed. Hope it will help when you try to drag more on your heel to get your skate back forwards

If u have bad stability and weak legs then yes. Otherwise you should be able to one leg skate with confidence so your Tstop is always useful. You build your balance and needed muscles with practice or focused weight training.

Nothing some Dutch courage can't solve 😁

Super!

Very happy with the floor of the garage, great for practice. Are you having a tri setup for street skating, or you think there’s also an advantage for slalom?

Great, hope it really works for you when you try it out!

True, often the advice is to lighten up the dragging skate. Keeping the back foot in the air would indeed prevent it from drifting sideways 😅, but no matter how light I would touch the ground, it would always drift left or right, eventually.

Hi Tiuth, thanks! So far haven't tried gluing the washers yet, as the Decode bearings still have a couple miles left on them before they will be worn out. I plan to use silicone caulk. That's the stuff that's used to seal off joints in bathrooms and kitchens. I used it to glue the Powerslide stride-control shims onto this frame, to balance out my pronating feet. Worked fine and was removable with a knife. But with pushing wheels in between, there will be a lot more force involved, so still have to see how silicone caulk would hold up to that. Of course you need to tighten the washers with wheels and all before the caulk is completely dry, to squeeze most of it out, as you don't want a thick layer of flexible material in between the bearings and the frame. Will probably be a very messy job to get it all into the frame with the silicone on there as well. But at least the excess silicone will be removable.