'COLOURED' How classification became culture | Book review | Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2023
- On this episode of The Insights Series with Dr. Carl Hendricks the topic of 'COLOURED' How classification became culture. We are joined by Guest: TESSA DOOMS & LYNSEY EBONY CHUTEL
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Look how beautiful these black women are. And part of their beauty is their confidence in who they are. And the love between them is also inspiring. Love the positive message
They not black we colored stop your nonsense
We proud of who we are...we can never have the moral compass you guys have which is racist and tribal and disgusting...url Wana be us that's why url bleach your skin and where Malaysian hair
Your moer , those women are brown skinned coloureds . Stick your black label were the sun don't shine .
Dumelang Bagaecho! I am loving this conversation. Finally we are addressing the elephant in the room 😎👑 #NowWeAreTalking ❤❤❤
Dumela Mogaetsho 👌🌱🇿🇦💪🏿
WOW! I'm so glad this appeared on my feed. This was a great investment of my time. An absolutely brilliant show. Thank you Dr Carl for addressing this - every mixed race & person of colour must watch!!!
Very interesting conversation. Really enjoyed the two ladies perspectives.
i like the dialogue ❤
I've worked with coloured South Africans in a context where I'm the only black person and there'll be another white person in the mix(South African or from other countries)...and they always leave me with a negative impression of coloured people - how they also suffer to a lesser extend from a "superiority complex" in relation to black people. They always do what Tessa dooms said "we measure ourselves based on our proximity to white people". I know black people also measure themselves the same way, but today's "coloured" is the discussion so hence I'm directing my comment only to coloured people. I never enter in any friendship where I feel people suffer from this complex hence I don't have white, coloured, Indian, Asian, Nguni friends because they are all raised with a sense of superiority towards people of African decent.
Loves this conversation did not realise I missed pastor Carl so much
Very insightful & thought provoking. Thanks Dr. Carl for allowing this conversation.
hi
Lydnsey and Tessa, such important work that you are doing. Sorry to have missed your book launch in Eldo's this weekend. Will you be doing this again?
Great Discussion. Can't wait to get this book!
Love this conversation ! Keep it coming
This is the best interview.
Indeed an investment of my time. Rise and shine. God is always on time
This podcast must go into mainstream ,this info is vital 👏 👏
I need to get this book. Thank you to the eloquent ladies and talented writes.
I don’t know how many people are aware. You can select “coloured” or Indian or African. The coding for the system I.e. gov database is BA, BC, BI… so it’s Black African, Black Coloured, Black Indian… so all the not White classifications are Black first and then further defined.
Some politically correct coloured people have no problem with that.
Others refuse the arrogance of being defined by another people and race .
bought a copy for December reading...... so inspiring.... thanks to both authors
i am in the uk. very coloured. where can i buy this book in the UK
I thoroughly enjoyed this - just ordered the book and looking forward to diving in.
hello, you made my day, the koeksister story got me into trouble here in Birmingham, where I sell vetkoek and koeksisters, some of my customers think koeksisters are dessert and want it ith custard, don't mention the story of the apartheid of koeksisters, daai boere koeksisters v coloured koeksister. I agree. I travel with my culture and my heritage
Where in Birmingham are you @albertsmith? Can you get koeksisters to me in Worcester (UK)😂
Where can I get this book. Really interested
I LOVE THESE TWO WOMEN. I wish they could debate the celebrity wannabe Samantha Jansen and put her in her place. She ridicules coloured people and throws our people under the bus to appease Pan Africanist afrocentric black supremacists and coloured hating black people. Some, if not most of us are mixed with blackness so blackness is very much a part of our family tree. That DOES NOT MEAN that we have to one drop rule ourselves out of existence and deny the fullness of our identity. I am COLOURED AND PROUD to be. Samantha Jansen wants to become a celebrity off of trashing our people. These 2 women give me hope for the future of COLOURED PEOPLE. Their VOICES NEED TO BE ELEVATED.
Awesome and insightful ³ (cubed)
Im from amerikkka and i never knew that all of my family on my mother's side were colored
We must understand stood its others languages speaking that same language of our country we must understand and accept the different cultures and ourselves as South Africans
Amen, we are so bless to be what we are and been seen as God sees us in Jesus sees us in Jesus Name 🙏🙌♥
I'm Cape Coloured by birth . By denying Coloured I would be denying my whole family. I dont look Black at all I can pass for Italian or Greek. My brother and sister look brown and black. My cousins look White ,Brown Black. By saying Im not Coloured means my whole family is split.
I notice its always darker Coloured women denying they are Coloured.
Whiter Coloureds never get a platforn to talk about being Coloured.
And you probably get treated better than darker coloureds too.
"We measure ourselves based on our proximity to white people" - Tessa Dooms
Mixing races will always result in confusion . It creates a people without identity and they are left to choose where they belong and that is not fair . It is not just about South African "Colourds" Tiger Woods is one example , when he was asked what race he belonged to he came up with a funny word. This affects kids more than the parents .
When it comes to Khoi people its another debate .
In a world whose views are shaped by white supremacists but in a world that would view the society in African ways,mixing race leaves no confusion at all
The problem is when other races want to define and label us . White govt called us non -white , and black govt calls us black . To hell with that , we are proudly brown skinned coloured people of mixed lineage ,, we are not black .
@@Scar_762 So coloured people are people with brown skin color?
@@myvlog5112 are white people , people with white skin ? Are all blacks people with black skin ? 🤔🤨😳
ALL THESE OLD POLETIC PARTIES MUST GO ANC DA ALL OFF THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FOR SOUTH AFRICANS AND SOUTH AFRICA VOTE FOR YOUNGERS PARTIES NCC PA
Linzi ,I like the subject.im a member of the coloured groupe.if you only knew my story you would be shocked..my mom was black and my dad was white 😢😢boer.my father's family have never acknowledged me .I see them everyday on face book and I wonder do they even ever think of this coloured cousin .I know eventually an uncle ,my father's brother told mey dad passed away in 1976.my aunt who worked for greenacres used to give my mom money for me .she lived in Vaus Road. near musgrave.they pretend as though I don't exist.ive come to turms with this .they don't need or want me I don't need them iether.its not always so greate to be in mixed race groupe..by the way the one thingy father did for me is he gave😂me his surname.
Im 67 yrs old but there are still times when I wonder how bad is it really ,to make these family members despise us the way they do.i hope that someday all this race thing would be a thing of the past and less hurtfull.my mom was beautiful but later married a Zulu man who was a wonderful father to me.i grew up among the coloured people and find that they are the main ones who should understand the feeling of not being wanted on both sides of the fence.To every Vorster ,I hope one day you'll be clued up about people
🎉what about Durban ?
@@sylviavezasie2852Coloured People from Durban Are So Silent when It Comes to This Coloured Topic and I Dont no Why. .
Why Is This Confusing.Tessa Dooms says Her Father is a Motswana. Motswana is an African.But When She Ticks the Box Between a Coloured and African.She Ticks Coloured. What and Who Is Supposed to Be Classified African
Leave the coloureds please
In 2024, 30 years after apartheid, there should not be racial classification in South Africa. Everyone should be called South African!!! Then, it would not be necessary to ask the question about the children of Brian Habana and Siya Kolisi. Racial classification suits the current ANC government because of Black Economic Empowerment. Classifying people as coloured is not a benefit to those South Africans from the BEE perspective.
Well said cd abrahams 6455.
Dear Dr Carl Hendricks. I appreciate the discussion you engage with the two ladies who wrote the book "Coloured". The root of the problem is as your guest identified, "Giving power to "white" people". Firstly we need to research the racist term "white". We also need to stop raping our own Grade one or pre-school education, by not recognizing what we have been taught as a colour scheme. It is confusing to our young children who have been taught that white is the colour of snow or your teeth and now to accept that those people of Caucasian descent with a pinkish, reddish or yellowish skin Pigmentations have "white" skin. It is a lie and is deceitful. Why are we continuingly reinforcing lies and deceit, by those racist supremacists, who called themselves "white" during the slave era of the 17th Century, purely in order to elevate themselves above the black and brown skin people of the countries they invaded and colonised. They called themselves that the term "white" so that they can be regarded as masters over the other people. Before the colonial invasion and slavery period they were predominantly called, Anglo-Saxons or by their ethnic identity of their country of origin, ie. Germans; Belgian, French; Irish; Dutch; Poles, etc. Even White is not a race or a culture, it is the name of a colour, describing something that is white like snow or your teeth, etc. So stop continuing with a misnomer and giving power to racist supremacists. It is also umbilical to call people "white". The only reference to a white skin tone in the Bible is to refer to those who suffered from leprosy. Surely, those who want to be referred to as "white" do not all suffer from leprosy. Similarly Black and Brown or "Coloured" is not a race. That is all racist terms, coined by the racist apartheid regime, in order to further their racism and their racist apartheid laws. If we continue with placing people into boxes, as the apartheid regime racist intended, we are merely keeping the racist apartheid regime system alive, and we could just as well have lived still under apartheid. The ANC after 1994 conveniently decided to keep the racist apartheid regime race classification intact, as it will suit their own racist BBBEE and AA, cadre deployment laws. The term "coloured" was repealed by FW De Klerk in 1990. We must lobby to have all forms of race classification name calling be scrapped and that all people in South Africa be classified only as South African citizens, irrespective of reference to skin tones. If people want to identify as a race or ethnic group, they can do so, by identifying as a South African of Khoi-Khoi; SAN; Xhosa; Zulu; Venda; German; Dutch; English; Irish, etc. heritage or descent. The derogatory term "coloured" must be outwardly rejected. If people must, like the children of mixed race couples, than they can refer to themselves as a South African of mixed race or ethnicity. Let us stop feeding the racist dogs.
I love how you have explained this whole race matter thank you
Coloured bushie, you can pick them up easily. Even foreigners pick us up quickly. They know there's coloured, and they identify with us as a race. Even chinese people know. The only challenge is that we can not identify as being coloured. Therefore, other races take advantage of it. Each race is proud of their race and bring something to the table. We should be proud of being coloured and bring our contribution to the table as being coloured. We must stop making people feel bad about being their race by stereotyping each other. The oppressed can become the oppressor, and the abused can become the abuser.
You didn't pick up anything did you?😂
When I look at you three on the discussion panel, you look exactly like the native people of my country Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬 and even you come to my country nobody is going to know if you're colored because people have different skin tone and color and different hair texture. And watching the ethnic , racial and political segregation in your country it sad to have this segregation when you can be just south african why identify and confuse yourself. Its sad.
Im beginning to think that racism is the mark of the beast
A very typical middle-class Coloured view of Colouredness,and therefore inevitably a minority view.The good pastor was too nice to remind them that we no longer live in White apartheid South Africa,but Black apartheid South Africa.You can't misrepresent and "choose" which racial group you belong to.Yes ,the black part of Soweto and the Coloured part look exactly the same,yet these ladies are in favour of a black person getting a job ahead of a Coloured person.They are confused ,at best.
Girl stop talking bull.You have to be classified you are Coloured bcoz you are not white not Indian not black ..You just said you ticked the box with Coloured..So what is your problem with being a Coloured..Is it maybe bcoz you don't know which race group you belong to...Looking at you ,you are Coloured ..
Does being coloured mean you are not black?
That Lindsy woman...i want her to go and visit the Ncape...We were not better of during Apartheid Stop talking rubish...We did not even have opportunity to have our own Land, Black Town in Gauteng have tar roads, have libraries, Soccer stadiums, staying in Beautiful houses, have shopping Malls in Black Townships things we canonly dreams of to have in our own Coloured Townships.....Who are those Coloureds doing better than Patric Masepe, c.ramaphosa, ...
I'm a Nāma !Xoo was born Kâi -garib..Kakamas....Who are those Coloureds doing so much better than Black people....? Look at Jacob Zuma he have a compound complex..Look at their King ..Which Coloured doing better than Jacob Zuma...How many labels must I still except...My parents don't know the label Black...
@@romanussaal712nobody cares. Life continues as it has always.😂😂😂😂
@@tshepangmoletsane1866 You are laying...We
not know in your personal capacity....or are you a draad sitter, waiting 4 other to fight your battles....
@@tshepangmoletsane1866 Just stop the rubbish if you have nothing positive to say just stay out. Please mampara... Because in your own personal capacity we will not know how much you care...???
Imagine learning afrikaans as a privilege, then find out that its some bs you cant really use😅
Create your own cultural name, “Coloured” is backwards and was created by raiycist Afrikaners. That is so “1950”..🤦🏽♂️
Camissa is what we should be called
@@lylejay965
What does it mean?
@@kingofhearts1072 Camissa comes from the khoe word “!ik khamisa” which means “sweet water for all” named after the river in Cape Town. native khwe/xam people, slaves and europeans who were poor all lived in the same conditions. The were the WHITE RICH COLONOSIST and the rest(natives, slaves, poor europeans)
The Camissa community embraced seamen from many countries, embraced slaves from Africa, India and Southeast Asia and embraced non-conformist European settlers. He prefers the non-racial heritage term 'Camissa' to that of 'Coloured' in expressing this part of his identity. - GOOGLES DEFINITION
@@lylejay965
To me that sounds A LOT better than “Coloured”. 👏👏👏
In the end It all boils down to knowledge of self...if you choose to identify yourself with an identity that originates from rape, which by the way is a crime, that is entirely your choice. Colonialism did a serious number on those who've decided to identify themselves with it's colonial and imperialists crimes and create a culture out of it, rather than to stand against it. This is indeed very sad..
I keep telling them black people to, I mean the people named you are the colonisers.
Girl stop talking bull.You have to be classified you are Coloured bcoz you are not white not Indian not black ..You just said you ticked the box with Coloured..So what is your problem with being a Coloured..Is it maybe bcoz you don't know which race group you belong to...Looking at you ,you are Coloured ..