Why The Chinese Super League Was DOOMED To Fail! | Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มี.ค. 2021
- On this week’s EFD Explained, we examine the rise and fall of the Chinese Super League. Once heralded as a nationwide version of PSG and Man City, it was thought that the CSL could force its way onto the international football scene, with players like Alex Teixeira choosing Jiangsu Suning over Juergen Klopp’s Liverpool, and Gareth Bale almost switching to China back in 2019.
But now Jiangsu - champions in 2020 - have ceased to exist, and owners Suning are looking to sell their other club, Inter Milan, as Covid and government regulation cripple their ability to turn a profit from their football operations. And with a raft of teams across the country on the ropes, it seems like the CSL bubble, which took Drogba, Hulk, Tevez, and Robinho to China, is over for good.
Today we look at the flawed ideas behind the league, the new rules which have changed everything, the effects of Covid, and why there is still reason for optimism about football in China. Let us know what you think in the comments.
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I have to commend this video for acknowledging that it is only from a euro-centric perspective that CSL failed. The shift in focus to youth development could yield greater long term rewards compared to bringing in over the hill players on huge wages
I soooooo AGREE. I honestly hate the thinking that if you don't play in the Prem your not a good player/worthy/up to football standards.
@@yellow9349 could not agree more. As good as the premier league is it annoys me to hear people dismiss any player from outside the league because we don’t know if they can replicate their best form on a cold, rainy night in Stoke
Yeah CSL is doing great financially... no clue where the idea for this video came from.
@@moistpeanut5986 I think they considered it a failure in terms of the business model which seems to be undergoing drastic changes
chinese womens for some reason is supposedly better????? wang shuang plays for fecking psg???? is named lol asian female messi... is there soething wrong with the mens???!!
Lesson : Trust your youngsters and develop them like they do in the Dutch league Eredivisie
Too bad eredivisie can't keep them
Busby-era United
chinese womens are for some reason better???? wang shuang pkays for psg... i just dont get it... chinese womens side are better than tje mens... fan zhi yi and sun jihai were the last great chinese players i know of???
@@ezinneebele-adinnu8175 Eredivisie is not such a big league. But at least Dutch players are renowned for high quality football.
Or just have a cap like in most American sports so every club/team has the same amount of money to spend and the cap only goes up when the league makes more money
Explained is my fav series here in efd. Keep it up!
Glad to hear it mate!
(Doug)
Yup thats the best section they got imo!
Agreed most what they post is ass but I did enjoy this vid
@@calebrhodes7013 😂
Texeira didn’t turn LFC down, the owners didn’t want to pay Shakhtar an extortionate amount after they changed the asking price for him
What are you on about it was a great idea! Who else was gonna pay £60m for Oscar?
psg would pay 100 m
@@justanormalperson5391 They aren’t that dumb lmao
They could have just earnt one from a top acting performance
@@gabrielchalesle3913 tbf psg offered 50m for him when he left for China
if it's THE Oscar that left Chelsea, maybe 50-60mil.
but the current Oscar? maybe 20-25mil.
Consistency is unreal
Indian super league, the Indian premier football League is an example of how you should walk before you can run
Subtle wages, some good foreign players like anelka, coro, del Piero etc and passion of fans from all round the nation making it a spectacle. Getting the support of broadcasters cause the deal was in budget made it a sublime commodity. Would love a video on that😇
But we have already seen clubs like Delhi Dynamos and Pune City either rebrand or shut down 🙄
@@harigovind6316 That has happened everywhere in world in any league you name it!! Look at MSL, how many clubs has discontinued but new business will arrive!! Look at our own IPL, many have sold or rebranded themselves!! It about how you are going together not individually!!
Indian league…. Lol 😪
India is the second most populated country and still sucks at sports
@@luishernandezblondeDel Piero, Roberto Carlos, Diego Forlan, Luis Garcia, Lucio, Robert Pires. All of these have played in the Indian Super League. We're getting better. Neymar is also coming to India to play ACL group stage game against Mumbai City.
The thing with Chinese products is so consistent.. looks brilliant at the start, but turns into a nightmare in no time😂
This....this is hilarious
Only corona virus going strong
@@achalbilung1740 dank! 😂
depends, chinese products here in eruope are at much better quality then the ones in asian countries such as india or african cuntries. there is a famous saying, you get what you pay for
better than Indian products that don't even exist
Simply too many clubs living beyond their means just to impress Xi Jinping. The average revenue for a CSL club per year is £16 Million for TV, £3+ Million on match day revenue, £1+ Million for sponsorship and shirts = £20 Million. And Alex Teixeira's transfer was £43 Million.
It was never about impressing anybody. They simply wanted to use the clubs to promote their business. And that’s why when the Chinese FA enforced the name change rule, businesses started to rethink their decisions.
@@alex7633 You're certainly right, especially in the case of Guangzhou Evergrande that they used the club to promote their owners business but even they sold a good chuck of it for a profit to Jack Ma and his Alibaba Group and Jack Ma certainly has used the club to get into the good books with Xi Jinping. Sadly the main reason why anyone owns a Chinese club is to gain favor with the highest political official whose a football fan and who will then grant you one of those lucrative government contracts. Dalian Shide learnt that the hard way, with deadly consequences.
How u know
@@samy8897 Its all on the internet and a lot of it is already in English. I personally suggest reading about the owner of Dalian Shide, Xu Ming and his relationship with politician Bo Xilai, they represent everything wrong with Chinese football.
@@kai-yenlau8933 nah Chinese businessmen are cool and I was just interested how u know about the financials cuz I was looking hard to find them few months back when I wanted to compare CSL V ISL
Great video, well structured, researched and presented. Thanks
Great vid !
@hitcseven did a review of this about 2 weeks ago....So I thank you for let me keeping up with what's going on
As with everything China does, long term goals are what they have in mind. Give it time, it will succeed, but definitely not right now. It’s still too young a market. But the foundations have been laid, it’s only a matter of time.
Thats funny.
More than half of the team in the 1st tier are in the verge of bankruptcy, and cant even pay their player monthly wages. It's no longer a young market, it's already an overheated destroyed market.
hah, forget about it. Such words have been said for 20 years and yet our team kept losing. In 2002 China won its position in the world cup for the first time, everyone was excited and believed it's the start of Chinese success in football/soccer. I even remember how happy my dad was. Yet no one had ever imagined that was our peak. lol
I disagree with you somewhat because they did have long term goals but they mess up the long term goals which will take them forever to get back to if they ever do
It would never succeed if the corruption keeps on. Male players are paid the salaries of the ENTIRE Female team. Insane how much money dumped on the football team and this is the result it had produced.
In my opinion, China got it all wrong. They needed to bring younger player who were eager to play football not players that had played at the top level. I've watched several matches in Beijing, Jinan, and Shandong. Don't get me wrong bring these 'stars' make it far more enjoyable to watch, however the level of it's Chinese players has stayed the same bang average at that.
Agree and MLS is like that but the wages for top class players are way lower because of the cap MLS have
Great video, guys! I went to Guangzhou with University in 2019 - saw Evergrande play and spent a morning at R&F's training ground, would recommend going if you ever get the chance before things change.
ISL can be a next global player.
Hope so
the abrupt fall of the Chinese Super League is typical of China as a country. So many ill thought schemes (not just in sport) that are pushed out without any planning or long term thought and end up being a disaster. China never built on its only World Cup appearance back in 2002. The CFA needs to look to the J League to see a long term patient approach to develop the game as Japan is now a major player at the World Cup. The J League is stable, doesn't pay ridiculous wages and is slowly growing its TV rights into foreign markets. The J League is now broadcast live in the UK. The CSL however, doesn't look like we'll be seeing that again on the TV
the problem is fifa never focused on Asian football be it China be it India be it Japan be it any other Asian countries only focus on ufea basically rich getting richer approach
@@indranildutta2961 What does FIFA have to do with it?
TV broadcasters decide for themselves what league they air.
The best football in the world is played in Europe. So if you're not into sports betting, there's no reason to watch worse played football anyway. Let alone pay for it.
I remember here in the USA in 2014, when espn and Fox sports were debating for WEEKS about how the CSL will surpass the MLS and Liga MX in a matter of years. I just laughed. And now, thanks to HITC, and various soccer chennels telling us that the CSL is now broke. I am now laughing harder.
Well at least it has pushed the focus on the league to be more youthcentric like the MLS and hopefully that'll help the CSL
That because MLS has a CAP and CLS did not
The real competition is to see which country will win the world cup sooner.
Please make a video in HERO INDIAN SUPER LEAGUE🙏
It’s a waste of time. ISL is a terrible league.
Can you make video in INDIAN SUPER LEAGUE (ISL)
It'll fail if IMG doesn't share revenue with the teams.
@@satyam_malakar it has not this much revenue like Ipl this time
trash
Curry league
Hopefully India can improve
Never knew India play football. Do they ?
@@Doraemonnm indian super leauge .
Diego forlan world cup golden boot winner .
Azhmou gyan Ghana semi final player.
Barthalowmew ogbeche played for world cup and PSG's
Dimitar Berbatov and wes brown manchester united player
Steven Mendoza french first division player
David games english goalkeeper
Played for indian super leauge
_"Superpower by 20XX"_
Please can you do one on dementia in football
I can explain dementia in the elderly.
Tifo football have done a great one about this topic
That would be quality talk about the dementia of Chelsea fans they can’t remember anything before 2004 😂
Dementia in football what haha
I'm a huge fan,let's fully work on audio entirely
i dont think luxembourg will come near any top 5 league ever but improvment is really made with some investors already helping clubs like jeunesse esch or hesper, also the rise of our national team an dudelanges journey in the europa league, i really think that we can from amatute football to pro football in the next years trough the first divison
Let's not kid ourselves, this was never going to work.
Case in point: while all that exorbitant money was being thrown around, the average attendance was 4656 - slightly less than that of Walsall in League Two, England's fourth-tier league.
Could the south Korean k league be considered world class what of the Japanese J league, investment youth is a great idea but if the league is substandard so will be it's players if investment in youth alone is good enough to amend a broken system the north Korean league would be considered world class and the national team would have won the world cup so please let's be realistic as it is the Chinese super league is substandard and if what is going on continues it's growth Will stop as is
The sad thing is the CSL has great potential. I am sure they will learn from this and go for substance instead of style.. I don't blame them seeing how many other countries tried this approach...but too much money too soon skews things and is clearly unsustainable long term.
Hopefully they have something like a wage cap, stop getting hailmary signings and focus more on developing talents and sending them abroad to competitive leagues. It will benefit the Chinese NT in the long term which will benefit the profile of the sport and lastly this will create a feedback loop to boost the league. Slow and steady wins the race.
The problem is when Xi Jinping's regime started to crack down, the league is nearly broken. The Evergrande football academy for example is being deserted.
The investment in academies and football pitches will definitely pay off in the long term. With such a high population, there should be some exciting stars in the making.
That substantial investment aimed towards youth development has to pay off right? especially given how enormous their economy's wealth and populace is.
Both the US and China, if they handled youth as well as say, Belgium, Germany, Iceland, 3 countries that over the last 2 decades decided to revamp their youth system, will have better results than any of those teams simply because of population, yes.
@@Londronable The US prioritises athleticism over technique, until that changes they won't produce world class players through MLS alone.
@@Veaseify More like size.
Messi would not have been scouted by Americans, I guaranty you that.
@@Veaseify soccer is also a second tier sport in America, the best American athletes play American sports so the population alone is a terrible metric to compare US soccer success to other countries.
@@penskepc2374
You say the best American athletes play in other sports.
The issue with soccer is, soccer is not only about athleticism especially in the men,s game. You need technique and skill
They pumped too much money into it. They couldn't keep paying. They were focused on buying players and that's it. They should do like Man City, they didn't just compete for the top players, but the future top players. They should invest in the academy. Hire good coaches, good directors are more important than players. Train young Chinese players, focus of Chinese speaking populations, so mostly in Asia. Asia has a lot of football fans, but are far from their favourite clubs in La liga and BPL. If China had a world-class league, closer to Asian countries, that's a market. And they could even hire English/Spanish/french speaking commentators, to make it more attractive for foreign fans. Then play earlier/later in the day, so European viewers can watch the Chinese league in the evening (I haven't looked into the time zone thing, but playing at times where European viewers are awake and watching football, would be smarter than playing 2 am euro time.
I disagree with you because they did compete for the top players which they are still doing and if a top academy player or players comes around like Phil Foden then it just an added bonus
@@JAG214 that's exactly what I said? They should do like man city, compete for top players, and future top players.
City has bought top players. But they've also invested into their academy, so they can produce future top players like foden.
At no point did you or I disagree with eachother.
@@jonahthrane812 I am disagreeing with you because of what they did
@@JAG214 you make no sense.
7:43: Answer to the very last question in this video - *European Super League*
Marquoan Fellini. Doesn't he play for ShengDun &&&$$$
I KNEW IT!!!!! I just knew these players were getting HUGE salaries more than they would ever get in Europe.
Yeah of course, why should players like Oscar and Hulk move to china at that point in their career 😅
@@sonjaki I'd love to know how much the highest paying Euro and-American is getting in relation to what they would get if the were in their leagues.
They offer citizenship to foreign players so they can perform on Worldcup lol. With literal billions of people, I really dont get why theres no Chinese superstar
Football was never the national sport so back then no one dreamed of becoming a football star
The Chinese every 4 years usually dominate the Olympics along with USA but they compete in far less events then likes of United States of America and Great Britain.
Otter than badminton and table tennis 🏓 I don’t know what proper actual sports China competes at.
@@timjim875
China,s medals at the Olympics are a lot more varied than the USA in that they win more medals from a more diverse set of sports. China just won a gold medal in sailing. A developing country is not supposed to win medals in such a sport.
A huge chunk of USA meals are from swimming which has a bunch load of medals.
Once China gets good in swimming they will top the medals table by a lot
Because of the Name! Now we know every "SuperLeague" fails!!!! 🤣
hello - article correction sun ing or sun eng. not connected. Means new win. elle
I think one of the biggest obstacles will be language.
Why? Do they chat while they play?
Chinese don't have any problem playing basketball despite different language.
Please make a video on the Indian Super League
Wonder if this kind of reasoning is behind the possible combined leagues that are becoming the big talk around the world.
Hitc sevens already did this
and?
@@lollol9772 hitc>fd
So what
They didn't do it like this 😉
(Dougie)
@@nabster9253 Find that guy really annoying.
Music to my ears. Forget the CSL.
Liga MX > MLShit
is it not pronounced hedge-e-moan-e @1.20
So basically chinese leagues are now most likely to be durable as Chinese toys ...🤣🤣👊
They’ve spent a lot of money on youth development, which means that Chinese football does have a seemingly bright long-term future.
@@Ren_1090 Farmers league of china
I did an exchange 2 years ago in Cape Town and I actually think the South African league is pretty good. Better than most leagues in Europe.
Most league in Europe sure ??
You are truly mad!
Lmao
LOOOOL South africa isn't even considered among the best in Africa, what the hell you on about ? Don't embarrass yourself.
@S_Face the league, not the national team.
Indian Super league next
In the present time this seems like a bad idea but seeing how they are still heavily focused on youth development it’s only a matter of time before china have a solid foundation to go forward for an international football team
AGREED.
Football is a culture, not just a money making business
Is pat ok?
Please do another video about rangers!!!
Do you mean *the rangers*
@@bobngo5311 the isnt needed but for clarification yes 👍
Background music
Indian super league (isl)
garbage
@@gamingparadise3390 Like ur father
@@Joseph-oo9ns ok boomer
In any given industry, the longer time it takes to see results, the less likely the Chinese are able to suceed.
Tell that to Amazon
I think you are describing perfectly 🇺🇸 businesses
@@kazuotan1895 Sure, then maybe China should start ban US businesses from using Chinese technology...lol
@@andyusfca what for?
They deserve it. Players go there for high wages and not football says it all
It’s same players coming at Europe from South America
@@MrLochay no Europe has better football structure and infra compared South America plus more fame while playing in Europe
Helps them build their personal brand and fan base apart from getting top notch developmental opportunity as a player
@@sidjain999 nope. Southamerica countries also has nations leagues, domestic cups, champions league Copa Libertadores. crazy fans there, check their football atmosphere. if South American were wealthier, the european players would be playing in south america at the moment.
@@MrLochay no they wouldn’t. Because of football’s history it will always have its center in Europe. Also there is way more fame and money in Europe. Name one legendary player who is known for their success in other continents rather than Europe
@@george-xz9hw Pele
Time for big clubs to go bargain hunting
This is sad. I kinda want to see China prosper in the sport tbh. The more competition the better!
This was always obvious to me that this was going to happen. For a nation known for intelligent people, those running Chinese football are kinda stupid. What they should have done was buy decent, but not world class players from around the world, from leagues like the English Championship, Belgian Pro League, Eredivisie etc. Then slowly but surely buy better more expensive players after laying the foundations for it. Instead they bought a select few world class players and paid them insane wages, and, well... look how that turned out, it's like an 18 year old kid that wins the lottery and blows the fortune in a year buying 7 mansions and 12 Ferraris and a house full of Armani suits and his own private island. A smarter 18 year old who won the lottery would invest that money further and create more... Oh well.
Please make a video on Indian Super league (ISL)
Who cares ?
@@Matterpalingreview If there can be video on China than why not on India .. Asian fans keep the feel alive by watching matches late night
@@Matterpalingreview it will bring million of views, it will break this channels record..you don't know about Indians.
DC ka logo.. Felt so good. Miss that team. And gayatri reddy too 🌚
Well the isl is just like the mls look at the players who have played there like anelka and del piero
At least China is trying hard to make a mark in world football, India is still in the clutches of the saggy old colonial era game of cricket. This has led to gross underachievement in every other sports and athletics in the country; a country of a billion people struggles to secure double digit numbers in medal tallies in the Olympics and is at the bottom end of football rankings in the world.
In many poor countries, sports is a way to escape poverty. In India only rich people play sports. And the only sport they play is cricket. India's underperformance at the Olympics is really astonishing.
Chinese government threw way too much money at the league / foreign players too quickly, was never going to be sustainable financially. Will be interesting to see if the league further restricts the signing of foreign players, given the significant growth in participation from children and the primary aim being to improve the national team. I’m sure we will see increased success at youth level by China in the next 5-10 years culminating in a first World Cup since 2002 sometime in the 2030s.
Make video on isl (indian super league) also plz
Is shit
@@arale1447 so are you too
It's shite where chairman's spouse literally owns a club cricket will forever remain the pinnacle of sport in india get on with it!
In india 7,8 team play in super league not even regular league
@@AgroKopite do u even know our success in hockey???
Damn csl his now oscar a fali wonderkid👏
hello , this article about the soccer sport in asia has always been ranked japan korea then china. china is known for scholars and world traveler students. the doom word is from european need for to stop wearing a brand. the brand for them was puma for the nice shoes. american high schools never misses the team calls but i vote for the old fathers of japan to win soccer. elle for no hands
What the hell are you talking about?
if they where looking to bring talent form abroad they should have looked for young Undiscovered talent not older famous talent. if they had a good youth program they could brought foreigners in to it
It's all bout covid, very hard to raise funds when u don't hv spectators wile European football more settled
China: We are super rich and can pay you anything you want. Come to China.
World: Wow! You are paying that for Oscar?!?!?
China: 🤑
Covid: Hi!!!!
Chinese companies: 😔
China: I can't pay you anymore, bye
Haven’t even watched but I know it’ll be an amazing video
Yes big man!
(Doug)
Hope Oscar comes back to European football!
He will
Money is temporary, class is priceless.
another ep of China ruins everything
Not bad kid
Please make A Video On Indian Super league and Indian Football 😭😭😭😭
Make a video on Indian super league too
trash
1:45 that’s Hong Kong Premier League, which is totally different thing
All the players at CSl the national
Team are all so
old
Football is a game of sport not a politic, you can’t just buy everything, it doesn’t work like that.
I personally feel that ISL(Indian Super League) can be one of the top leagues in the future. The quality of Football is improving day by day, many Foreign players who never really got a chance to play for their national sides, finally got a chance after playing in the ISL. It has also gained a lot of popularity among Indians (considering the fact that India is a "Cricket-dominated" country). Recently (I mean, like 1 year ago) CFG bought a club in the ISL(Mumbai City FC).
Yes I completely agree. Football in India will develop
Indian Super League 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 India cant even beat UAE, Oman, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Qatar, yes so improving
You guys are out of your mind! India, or the Indian _"Super League",_ will never play a role in international football.
Why are you guys always overestimating yourselves so much? _"Superpower by 20XX"_ my a**!
India is the dirtiest country in the world. Every city is full of waste, slums, poverty and people defecating in public. And the Ganges, your _"holy river"..._ I don't even have words for it.
You guys should stop dreaming about playing a major role in every field on the international stage and start to lift the hundreds of million people in your country out of bitter poverty first.
_(and remember take the poo in the loo)_
Lots of indians watch football but within the nation there's not really any Market for it. I myself prefer football over cricket or basketball.
@@luishernandezblondeWe have beaten Kuwait and Lebanon recently. We have World Cup 2026 qualifier game against the current Asian Cup Champions Qatar and we believe that we can beat them too. Indian Football is growing way faster than you think it is.
We have a sensible system here in the U.S. for football??? I didn't know that. From where I'm standing it looks like we're just as shit as ever.
Indian super league ISL
Like NBA in basketball.
Reminds me of the old NASL in the US. Really glad MLS has morphed into an academy-driven 'selling' league.
NASL was a semi professional league, while CSL is already professional. Comparison like this is wrong.
Iam hoping for a a humiliation of the MLS
Improving refeering standards but brings on Clattenburg?? Lol
The BeNeliga 🇧🇪 🇳🇱 could break into the top 5 leagues
Nah, too low a population and as has been mentioned in this video, not a really global language for the most part.
They're probably not overtaking Portugal or Russia so 8th(where bboooth Belgium and the Netherlands have been over the last few years) is imo the best they can hope for in the next 10 years after the creation of the BeNeLiga.
Youre dumb
The ISL will be the next 'talked about league'.
They invested big money but the quality of football is not the same as Europe. I never think of watching Chinese league football.
Because They Think Football simply for money making business not by fandom aspect ,
They Forget to built a Succesful Football club requires a youth talent scouting and an effective youth football training program not simply relied by overspend budget flex , sure
You need flexing a massive budget to built a successful football club to funding a qualitative training facilities for the athletes , but if there is no good football Youth talent development program , it will be harder to accessing a genuine professional football world
SPFL is gonna be too 5 cos of rangers
Saudi arabia league?
New content: European Super League
China considers football as a weapon to demonstrate its power. Hence losing is unacceptable. But Chinese tycoons have made football vision a short sighted achievement. The 2022 WCQ saw this arrive well.
Ngl, South East Asian league like Vietnam, Thailand and Malaysia are getting better than China
I think the MLS definitely has the potential to grow into a global super house - but only after the 2026 World Cup
MLS is like the Chinese league. Old players go there to retire
@@Adamhuge7 For now, give it like 5 more years. I think it could be a legit league like Liga MX or The Championship.
Theoretically, the US could dominate football in every aspect with their population numbers and wealth. But they won’t cos the culture and interest isn’t there.
Lol 😂😂
@@007Fusiion Perhaps, but football is the largest growing sport there. It has a lot of potential and what's required is for the MLS to make sure it doesn't fall into any pitfalls that hurts the game, like I would argue has happened with the commercialization of other sports in America.
Pato 🙌🙌
Not A-league. Coruption started at youth level and not much opportunity for young players to go A-league. Not yet . Maybe Vietnam or t7hailand . They are serious for youth development.
But Australia has just learnt to be more sustainable, whereas Thailand has wasted the opportunity while Vietnam is a black hole.
Plz explain indian super league
All the players that went there were laughing themselves silly.
A-League to flop next football(soccer) not big enough in aus and no top 5 league talent coming out of the league
A-League players are themselves coming to India to play , so it’s already happening
Nah, it is looking more stable than CSL. It has realised professionalism must go the way.
@@sidjain999 India cant even produce world class players, your league is at shamble. Learn to love football or you will end up the second China.
Rn i rather watch the csl than the esl
The CSL is just a dodgier MLS
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