Are you pleased the 'posh boys' are gone from government? | LBC debate
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- Keir Starmer's first cabinet has been described as 'the most diverse on record for education background', contrasting the last Tory cabinet which was made up mostly of those coming from the public school circle.
Carol Vorderman hears from these callers on how they feel about Labour having the most state school-educated ministers in its cabinet.
1:27 - Caller Jawwad hits out at 'out of touch posh boys' in previous governments, and says 'if you're paying thousands of pounds to fill up your swimming pool, of course you don't care if energy bills rise.'
4:55 - Caller Carl disagrees with Jawwad and says it's more about 'advantage' rather than privilege', and then goes on to say that the 'North-South divide is a myth' in his books.
5:15 - Carol Vorderman and Carl have a back and forth, with Carl insisting that those in the North have 'superior income, cheaper housing, less children in classes, better NHS access, and cost of living is much cheaper'.
9:55 - Caller Lorraine, a former head teacher, tells Carol Vorderman: 'I am absolutely delighted the posh boys are out'.
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Their poshness wasn't a problem to me. It. was their corruption, incompetence, amorality, lies, racism and divisive politics that I am glad to see the back of.
The corruption came from their sense of entitlement due to their 'poshness'
Racism? Are you talking about Jeremy Corbyn and other Liebour MP's here?
@@raymondo6665 Jeremy Corbyn isn't a Labour MP
@@BeakersAreCool he was the leader !!! Voted for by all his posh socialist friends in the party lol
Those ‘attributes’ go hand in hand with ‘poshness’. They are despicable.
Jacob Rees mogg is someone I just can't digest. He was sleeping in parliament with his shoes on the seat. Disrespect old snob!!!
Yeah the eccentric old pipe cleaner.
@@Cazgirl-hq4hi He was in character on election night quoting Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
Mogg was and is the pinnacle of entitlement.
He's as mad as cheese.
Mogg is upset with us serfs, we have ideas above our station
Caller one articulated his points brilliantly.. agreed with him 100% great to see the youth engaged
The youth are and have always been a potential pool of political engagement. Issue is that both intergenerational biases and media cynicism keeps them from shining and that goes double for working class youth. Kids are more politically engaged and informed than I was at their age but for some reason my own generation (millenials) and older all want to keep them as jaded and held down as we were before. Cycles of opression in all forms need to be broken, even the ones like this that don't get highlighted as often.
Yes! he was so on point.
Rejoice, the Tories are gone.
For the time being.
Lol 😂😂😂💪💯
@james...nope...they just come under another name..😊
They have been replaced by the red tories... That are called labour for some reason
This lot will be even worse.
What a joy to listen to the very first caller. He was articulate, eloquent and possessed of an impressive level of understanding, compassion and wisdom for a young man. His parents must be very proud of him!
He was also emotional..I hope his friend who lost his grandad is recovering. My Grandson lost his Granded when he was 9..he couldn't visit him because of covid..the sobs from that little boy on my stairs will stay with me..He (4 years later) despises the Tories..and blames THEM for not being able to say goodbye 😢
My thought exactly!
So eloquent and articulated with so much empathy!
His name was Jawwad, I believe!
A great first call! 😊
Absolutey this, I got pretty emotional just listening to him. As already said, what an articulate, genuine young man, his parents must be incredibly proud of him.
That young male caller was so emotively on point about the drop in the ocean that most people feel they are while having to deal with out of touch Tory ministers.
The other guy Karl talking about the (lack of😆) north south divide was a pillock.
Again… ur assuming that all Tories have lived a privileged life. What are u basing that off of? Your bias
@@greggpedder Yeah I thought so too. Wind your neck in Carl Orpington!
Most of them have
He was very eloquent and articulate i have to say hmmm
Politicians don't become criminals, criminals become politicians
steal a little and they put you in jail ....steal a lot and they make you a king
I think both.
Caller from the South - "Hey people in the North - you have it so great!" The North of England has been left behind for so long - I say that as someone from Scotland who works across the UK. If I was English I could never understand how anyone could believe the Tories - demand change and demand what you deserve which is a better deal than you are currently getting.
When she asked the second caller if he had spent time in the north and he said he'd been to Edinburgh I nearly spit my drink out. He's as out of touch as the Tories mentioned by the first caller. How can you think that Edinburgh represents the north when we are talking about the wealth divide? I'm a southerner and I'm embarrassed.
@@Haree78 Hey, he clearly stopped at an estate agents in Middlesbrough on his way up there so he knows everything about how it is to live up North now.
@@lastlast2078 Aye, clearly the child poverty rate is 31% where he is and the wages are the lowest in the country. Disposable income means nothing when your pay in lower to start with. He probably has functional public transport and Arriva aren't cutting his bus services left and right while having some of the worse rail lines in the country off the main lines.
And he pivoted so quickly from ‘people from the North have so much money that they can send their kids to Majorca’ to ‘well, the South makes all the GDP’ that I almost have to respect his chutzpah.
While I don't agree with how he's trying to put the point across.... and a lot of the South is more affluent than most of the rest of the country, there are some areas that are amongst the most deprived in the country and get pooh-poohed simply because of geography.
The new Govt has a lot to do to redress the past 14 years and build a trust and belief in Govt that has particularly been malignantly dismantled and destroyed at the breakneck speed of the last few years since the clown got his greedy grubby mitts on the keys to no10, this malignant behaviour unfortunately didn't follow him out of the door.
After 2019 they thought labour would never defeat them. That sense of absolute power corrupted them . They could now grift with impunity..
They were corrupt when they came in. Conservative politics idolizes self-seeking.
I think Owen Patterson was the straw that broke the camel's back.
They were already corrupt. They just thought they were accountable then.
They were already corrupt their air of entitlement came to the fore and they took their masks off
@@Monklane79 Bamford did it for me
To quote George Carlin: "They want people smart enough to work the machines, but not smart enough to ask why".
The Tories knew exactly what they were doing with education reform. It wasn't because they were 'out of touch', they need minimum wage, zero hour peasants in the field. It was 100% by design.
People in the north get a lower wage than people in South for doing the same job
The caller saying that this is because the south creates more wealth without realising that that is due to a historical legacy of power and money being invested almost exclusively in London and the surrounding counties.
Prices are lower up north
@craig Have you asked yourself why?
Wages are lower up north@@HonkletonDonkleton
@@chatham43 because it's a lower cost of living, unless you're going to tell me something different
I didn't look on them as "posh boys" to me they were a bunch of spivs
Posh spivs, though
@@jlr108 and a few try hards
They were a bunch of Spaffers.
With posh accents.
This first caller was so touching and so right. I wish him all possible success in life, and I am sure he will help others if he can.
Northerners have more disposable income than southerners? This is NOT TRUE. Costs might be lower, but so are salaries. In the North south "competition" mentioned by the 2nd caller, the north is losing. Unfair especially as it was the north that produced the wealth derived from industrialisation, but they are still suffering due to higher air pollution.
Edinburgh is wealthy. It is not Northern England, it is Scotland.
Carl I suspect felt he was an intrepid explorer visiting his in laws in Edinburgh.
I wonder if they came here from “ the poor, hard done to South” for the benefits provided by the Scottish Government?😊
Young smart bloke
Second caller is clueless. Sunak openly admitted he was funneling money away from deprived areas to rich areas like Tunbridge Wells. After 14 years of Tories making the North poorer, on day 3 of a Labour government that might reverse that, we should suddenly "forget this silly North/South divide?" LOL eff off mate, your side lost.
I’m in the SW, so not biased, he was a typical tory, cherry picking info to suit his own views.
Yeah he openly admitted it and nearly 7 million people still voted Tory.
The incredible thing is how betrayed and wounded Sunak looked outside no.10 with those bloodshot eyes, his wife over his left shoulder wearing a look-at-me complicated designer striped dress; each unmoored having fully expected to be returned. The back of their sorry arrses was the best view I've seen in a very long time.
The Tories hate everyone except for mega rich people in the South of England
Thatcher started the rot by closing down the automotive industry, steel works and mining up north.
None of them towns has ever recovered.
I think a better title would be arrogant, entitled , greedy party.
@keith Would you want it any other way?
The Nasty Party.
@@chatham43 unlike you, we arent a bunch of simps.
That North/South caller is just a lost cause. He's right that the costs of products are cheaper BUT negates that wages are also lower. Those that work in London often get paid more than those that work out of London. Education levels are poorer....just so many arguments you could make against him!
In London, public transport works and is cheap. Rest of the country it doesn't and isn't.
Everything is cheaper up north ..the biggest thing being house prices and rent so that means the cost of living ..
London isnt England just as Edinburgh isn't Scotland!
He had a very incomplete picture, even in his own head. He admitted that employment was better in the South, but maintains disposable income is better in the North. You need to have a job to have income, disposable or otherwise.
Carl from the South is a complete brain donor
The first caller talking about how people who haven't been through the same problems as average people, let's apply that thinking to Nigel Farage. The privately educated toff who followed in his father's footsteps to become a trader. If you haven't seen it before, go look at images of Dulwich College. I'm amazed by it every time I drive by; the buildings are fantastic. How is it that he is seen as a "man of the people"?
Plenty of state schools have amazing buildings too.
@@backgammonbacon With the ceiling falling on children's heads.
Starminator about to give you lefties a nice wake up call lol
@@backgammonbacon
They don’t have coutts bank accounts though.
@@backgammonbaconNot many...unless they were built by one of the proud municipal authorities destroyed by Thatcher.
That first caller was fantastic
😂 The British public took 14 years to realise what the tories are all about, talk about being as sharp as marbles and slower than molasses, 14 years😂
People can't help being posh, however being as determinedly infuriating as Rees-Mogg, Johnson etc is deliberate. Average punters who see that and still vote for them are brain-dead.
I`ve never met any Brits who talk like Rees-Mogg, Johnson or Sunak. But i`ve only been to the North of England like Newcastle. I`ve also worked with a couple of brits and none of them talked like the King.. Where do they find those people?
the 2nd caller clearly forgot his meds.. lol
Nah a tory voter, or refuk.
@@kerryfry1857😂😂😅
@doubledigital But you didn't forget yours thank goodness!
Second caller is talking misinformed twaddle.
There is a big north south divide having lived in both for decades in each.
Now I’m retired back in the north I’m finding it hard to get medical treatment access to food shops and transport links.
House prices have nothing to do with it. Most of us cannot afford to buy a house.
@@chatham43It seems you forgot yours! 😂😂😂
I hope the tories never ever get in again
I wish that they had all dissolved,we still have over 100 left I
N parliament .
I honestly couldn't care less what the social background of a politician is. What I care about is their empathy with ordinary people of all kinds. I care whether or not they're honest, honourable, decent and competent. The Tories, whether old Etonian, of an immigrant background or supposedly working class have proven themselves to be none of the above.
Tony Benn.
@@StephenFentimanHe wasn't a Tory. Oh and he sent his children to state schools.
@@MsPeabody1231 That was entirely my point. He was about as upper class as you could get, yet his morals led him to become a Labour MP.
We kicked them out of Wales! Yeah! Please continue the Stop The Tories campaign at the Welsh Assembly election in 2026.
Yes we did amazingly well of getting the Tories out of Wales also not allowing reform in here. we are liberal and an open caring society. out with their far right nonsense!!
@@ecohipster7724 They would have gone sooner but could only do 20 Mph LOL
@@Comfortzone99 yeap 😆
Nice one Wales❤
😂@@Comfortzone99
The wages in the North are much lower
Apparently, the staff at No:10 chipped in to get Rishi SKY TV as a leaving present.
😂
Does the second caller realise he contradicted his point halfway through his call.
Right!? He says he wants the divide between north and south to stop and then proceeds to fuel the divide...
Though, I'm not sure if that's the contradiction you meant, but either way it's true. 😅
Ì just made the mistake of listening to this in the bath!The second caller made me shout so much that my kids thought I was in trouble!! I live in Bradford. I'm from the Isle of Man. The 2nd caller is delusional!!
totally agree... I was screaming you've never been to North ... and I was right
'The South East is where our wealth generation is'. And why is that? The bulk of our wealth & GDP used to be generated in the north & Midlands. But, one by one, the industries were killed off, or just allowed to die. And who did that?
That guy doesn't have a clue. What resources are in the South East? What oil? What coal? The South East extracts wealth from the rest of the UK
He was obviously thinking of the stock market and the City of London as being wealth creating sectors. They might (and only 'might') create wealth. But for whom? Not for the average citizen. Wealth which goes into the pockets of the ultra wealthy, the billionaires and the hedge funds and the shareholders of what should be publicly owned utilities, to be squirreled away in their offshore tax havens. Besides which, it is well known that the C of L is the biggest money laundering centre in the world.
Carl banging on like the south isn't paid more,....
Second caller is deluded. He has a vision of the North that is pure fiction. A land of milk and honey. Gingerbread houses and lemonade rivers. Edinburgh is his example of the North!
That's not lemonade, it's sewage...
Second caller saw an episode of Benidorm and thought it was a documentary. What a pillock!
Carol thank you again for all your work. I feel full of energy today now the Tories have gone it’s a wonderful feeling.
Absolutely 💪💪💪💯
Make the most..it ain't gonna last.
@@chatham43Tory bot!
@Richard Gallaher the first has alot to answer for..😊
@@chatham43 The first what? Can't even make sense, can you, bot boy?
Respect to the young man, it warms my heart to hear him talk.😊
I feel sorry for Boris. He hadn't the opportunity to go hungry or face hardship. We can surely give him our pity that he strode through Oxford burning fifties in front of tramps kicking them and shouting "buller buller"
Ah mate don't, I've heard of that little "game" before and it makes my blood boil. Bullingdon club bullies the lot of em.
@tommi Hardly his fault. I smell envy.😊
Comical but true.
"He hadn't the opportunity to go hungry or face hardship"
And yet Boris looks like he cuts his own hair. With blunt scissors. In the dark. After drinking heavily for six hours. Something doesn't quite add up here...
Congratulations and thank you very much Carol for standing up and speaking out against tory corruption if only more celebrities had the courage to do the same
@jackdaniels You certainly have been at the Jack Daniels.
@@chatham43or, rather, you have.
Second guy claimed there isn't a north-south divide them said there more financial jobs in the south.
I worked in Newcastle office for a financial company based in london. Wages in Newcastle were massively less than similar roles in southern offices
I have zero issues with "posh" people, but I do have an issue with "entitled" people... there is a difference
If they weren't a bunch of incompetent lying thieves, you could overlook the poshness
Can we have a memorial day for all lives lost during covid or something to honour them
What suggestion. Great idea.
Great idea. Also, how about a national monument of some kind to permanently celebrate our wonderful NHS workers who gave so much through those unprecedented times?
Many were probably lost to Boris Johnson's incompetence.
@@thedivinemrm5832 excellent idea too
A monument to the NHS? In what other country did GPs go on holiday during the biggest pandemic in a century?
What a contrast between the first and second callers. Be vigilant Britain, protect that young fellow from Carl...
Guy says the north-south divide isn't real. Gets asked for an example. Mentions he visited Edinburgh.
Edinburgh is not the North.
He needs to go up to Maryport and look around.
It is extremely expensive regarding housing too. He really needs to spend a week or two in the North East of England.
@@SuzD0n It's called Scaryport for a reason!
You don't see much of the divide when flying from London to Edinburgh especially.
He needs to go visit Dewsbury in West Yorkshire. Look like the apocolypse hit it around 2010.
That third caller made it click, we had privately educated people in charge of how to run a state school of course they had no clue.
Not only 'no clue', but no motivation to properly fund and support state education.
Ritchie Sunak can now spend more time with his working class friends.
He'll just use them for their Sky TV.
@monkeyboy Like you certainly do living in a council estate!😊
That won't take up much of his time then.😅
@@chatham43and where do you live? In you're mother's basement?
You mean so he can spend more time with his money
The first young man was absolutely spot on. Incredibly well put and articulated
I'm tired of hearing "one rule for them and another rule for us", please people it was one rule for them and no rule for us system.
Second caller has never thought to ask why there is a general migration of many younger people from northern areas to the south.
This is such nonsense. There's something called empathy fundamental to human nature.
When I was a tiny kid the scandal was the Profumo Affair.
For Johnson those early sixties indiscretions would have been a Badge of Honour.
The Tories were recently gloating about how marvelous our education system is. It's falling to bits, literally, in front of our eyes. Pity only VAT is being imposed on private schools, removal of full charitable status should be the goal. Another way of getting a lot more revenue is to restrict the tax relief on pension contributions to the basic rate of tax.
Edinburgh is VERY MUCH not Stoke, VERY MUCH not Bolton, Blackburn, Rochdale, Preston, the ghetto that is BLACKPOOL…. Edinburgh FFS, prices are little different to Lahhnndahhhn last time I was there… beyond my pocket for sure.
Edinburgh is a huge financial services centre. It’s the most expensive place to live in Scotland. That guy doesn’t realise that the 20 poorest towns in the UK are in the North of England. They have been ignored and left behind, but he has no experience of this.
Yea they guy Carl hasn't got a clue, generally people get paid less in the north, so it's sok him saying the houses are cheaper but people earn less money
@@gordonmackenzie4512 100%…. I love Edinburgh, fecked if I can afford to live there… and I’d choose it over Lahhhndahhhn in a heartbeat.
@@craigdoc6656 I remember in the early seventies talking to a man from Essex who's house had cost him £77,000.00 and I lived oop north and I had paid £7,750.00 for mine in North Lincolnshire. I was earning around £90.00 a week, putting in an average 55 to 60 hours a week, going to work to get enough money to go to work the next week. I couldn't afford to save anything. I thought I had a hard time, but things are much worse now, thanks to the last shower in government.
The man who said that his family couldn’t afford sky TV that was like that French queen who said. “If people can’t afford bread why can’t they buy cake” 😂😂😂😂😂
The first man spoke so well. The rich tories are not of the people, nor for the people. They are taking from the people
Love you Carol for speaking out against the Tories ❤❤
She was one
@@Hayfever33 ...and then she saw sense.
@@mazybee9149 she's so one sided. Everyone will be poorer under labour. People need to wake up. 2-3 years we'll all be paying more tax thanks to scrounging labour.
@@mikecook1537
This lot are more concerned about people being 'posh' 🤦🏻♂️😅
@@apemoon1731 posh & wealth go hand in hand & I'd choose that anyday over being poor.
The head teacher nailed it. The posh boys advocate if you can't pay for education at the point of contact, then why do you deserve an education that is fit for purpose - especially if we (The posh boys) are having to pay for it out of our taxes.
@somebloke So which posh blokes have you been mixing with to reach this considered conclusion?
@@chatham43 Try reading The Sovereign Individual written by Rees Moggs father and James Dale Davidson and then go on to Britannia unchained by Skidmore, Kwarteng and Patel and you'll kind of get a sense of their game.
Irony I hope?
@@chatham43moron
The prime ministers wife wore (a horrible) dress leaving 10 Downing Street with Sunak, which cost 34,000. Says it all
Please call it the LAST Govt!!!
Carol you are a gem thank you for highlighting this hideous governments failings
What is the second caller talking about. He needs to live in the north and see how lucky he is
Sent him to Hull.
Btw my DD has less pupils in her class than in the "North" due to people not being able to afford London private rents.
I agree with the deputy HT. our great state education has been shocking! These days we only teach what we can test!!! There is no wonder or joy at this moment. That will change!!!
The guy going on about the North South divide is delusional at best. He is welcome to come up here and experience the lack of infrastructure, opportunities,poor wages, dire public services and public transport. He wouldn't last 5 minutes.
" Claim [your privilege] but then don't turn around and ignore others."
Remember this.
I bet the second caller makes you proud to be English?
The one who thinks the south east has it bad because houses are more expensive? I don't think he's even from the same planet.
Irony I hope
NOT !
@@Albanach-je1nk It feels worse when you're Scottish and some of your country folk vote Conservative, believe me.
Put all politicians on minimum wage and watch things change very quickly.
Great idea. Who do you think it will hurt the most, let me give you a clue it begins with "L".
Col is cheaper in north but wages are much less in the north too! The most deprived areas in the country are in the north!
Like starmer isn't a 'posh boy' 😂😂😂
I hope the young lad enters politics, he is just what labour require. Just a pity Carl had to bring the conversation crashing to the floor, Edinburgh isn't a poor area, houses in Edinburgh are some of the highest in the UK.
Too many callers not quite understanding that it's not about the Tories 'narrow experience'. They did what they did to be deliberately destructive because they are psychopathically self-serving. This should not be understated.
I was suprised that Vorders did the show yesterday. After sterling service on C4's & LBC's Election night specials and then rocking up on YT Politics Social podcast at 5am looking fresh as a daisy and bubbly jubilant. Fantastic
I've been to Liverpool, Manchester and London recently. I live in Plymouth. Compare the city centres and shops to ours, that will tell you where the money is. The big shops/brands are not in plymouth.....the reason being, no one has the money down here, so these brand won't bring business here. The south west is neglected....whete are our airports?
The south west is the land of second homes and b&bs
Lorraine, you are the best of us.
You mean Carole? 😮
Imagine going on LBC saying you don't want a North/South divide then saying the South deserve more money because you claim they create more money.
Nads Zahawi claimed on his expenses for the central heating of his wife’s stables ! While pensioners sat in the cold ! He couldn’t understand the fuss as he thought paying the money back was the only problem ???
Carl has obviously never set foot above the Watford gap.
@dan She did take a wrong turn once..but she eventually got over it.
I would suggest anyone who thinks like Carl should come to my hometown of Kingston upon Hull, which has been neglected for the whole of the last Tory government, from everything from transport to education to infrastructure, it's heartbreaking to see, I can't even shop in my hometown because there are no shops except the very basic ones. It's a great city, full of strong northern, passionate, caring people, but we deserve better, far better, especially the thousands of children who live in abject food poverty and poverty in general and I think Carl should come up for a visit sometime to see the reality of what 14 years of Tory neglect looks like!
Trust me majority of independent schools are affluent!
Oh yeah. We're all loaded with cash up here in the North, go on multiple holidays a year don't you know .. 🙄
Perhaps members of Parliament should, be required to spend their lives in and post at a fairly low income level. Get the self-seekers out of the business. Lifeboat ethics isn't ethics.
PM Starmer "none of these problems will be solved anytime soon" -Priceless
Blaming the previous government isn't an excuse that washes anymore.
2nd caller hasn't got a clue!
thank very one that voted the Tories are gone
They aint Posh, they just had a specific accent. It doesnt mean they are bright. Obviously not!
They go to Eton and Oxford. That makes them posh not clever.
yes Carol - thanks too for keeping us sane and giving us humour and above all hope - you've been nothing short of awesome :-)
Thanks for all your hard work Carol!! 👏👏👏
I too - have to thank you from the bottom of my heart, for standing up for "US" You are a national hero..love'n'light...
@jon..And she's not even being paid for doing this..that's how much she cares!
I hope you will get a call from Sir Kier, sunshine.
What a contrasting difference in intelligence between the first 2 callers 😂
Jawwad should get his own show. Someone get Jawwad his own show.
Ms Vodermann thank you for all your great work
@frank All three hours of it!
@@chatham43 Your bridge is missing its troll...
Sad man.
@whey So it's four hours. My mistake.
The south shall rise again.😮. I really hope something can be done to support our homeless. Lets make that a priority.
That fantasist caller from South England is so, so out of touch with how things are in the North. He’s clearly never bothered to actually speak to any northerners. “How dare northerners go on holiday!”
I say that as a southerner.
They have no interest in improving and supporting the Northerners, snobbery was so evident with the Tories
You cannot teach hunger.
Queen❤🎉
Corrupt snobs. Its time members of Parliament are made accountable for there actions!!!
First caller was excellent.
Second caller should come and live in Hartlepool, Darlington, Stockton, Billingham, Middlesbrough etc to see how wonderful it apparently is up here.
love you Carol
Go off queen