th-cam.com/video/osguBFatJ5s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rzq2rmFylu4s-xRH Here is a link to a video that has actual video footage of my ex and his sister stalking me, hunting me down, and making false 911 calls trying to get me arrested. They video tapped themselves doing this, and my attorney got possession of the tape in court. They have been doing things like this to me for decades.
I just watched the vid. "I don't want to give a name" on the 911 call - but they were stupid enough to film their antics and the coaching by the male. Don't forget to enjoy a little schadenfreude as their public exposure gathers steam, Jill. I'd imagine there'll be a long line of people coming forward with stories to tell now the bullies have been dragged into the light. Namaste.
I HAVE A FEMALE COVERT NARC LIVING NEXT TO ME. SHE ACTS "NICE" IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE. BUT SHE YELLS,ACTS DOMINEERING, IGNORES RULES, AND ABUSES MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND COSED DOORS. I AVOID ANY CONTACT WITH HER. SHE IS A PARASITE.
I married a female narcissist. I can't even begin to describe the pain, the suffering, the ruin this person brought upon my children and I. I met her at church. She acted like she was a strong Christian. Biggest mistake of my life. I am so sorry to my children for giving them such a horrible mother
I know your pain I filed on my ex-wife a covert narcissist that is when the true nightmare began she weaponized the law against me to character assassinate me I truly feel like my soul was touched by EVIL
@JeremiahWeber-uw4yf So sorry this happened to you. Take comfort knowing God will judge these wicked women harshly. They will be screaming "lord, lord" in the judgement.
A lot are in the church pretending to be sold out to Jesus ,they come across well groomed ,good looking with good morals, they deem themselves with some special ministry that yet to be revealed to the world. They love thinking they're the most important person in the room,they usually cling to those in leadership.
I am light-headed right now learning all of this information about narcissistic women. I can't believe how the woman that I love turned out. I recognized so many red flags but chose to overlook them because I blamed it all on her traumatic childhood. She completely played on the kindness of my heart. Now that she knows that I know what she is, she has dropped me and is treating me as if I never meant anything to her. I treated this woman's child as if they were my own. I loved them both unconditionally. She slowly created distance between me and her child and told them not to ask for me anymore. I was doing great in life before meeting this woman. She has ruined a piece of me. I thought she really loved me. How can I trust another woman after this?
IT TAKES TIME TO HEAL. EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT NARCISSISM. GO NO CONTACT. ANY NEW WOMEN MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THEM SLOWLY AND DON'T JUMP INTO BED WITH THEM. DON'T LOAN THEM ANY MONEY. PROTECT YOURSELF AND ENFORCE YOUR BOUNDARIES.
That sounds awful mate. So sorry to hear that. I would honestly take a good long while away from romantic interactions to heal and rebuild and arm yourself with knowledge to help prevent something like this happening again in the future. Learning the red flags and obeying then when they appear helps. Many of us, including myself, have a bad habit of observing red flags but then continuing nonetheless. This is usually because we have a self-love deficit - we become dependent on the input from others to let us know that we have value. Learning to self-validate is really key. These are just a few thoughts that come to mind, but there's a lot more to learn. Take it one day at a time. And always trust your gut.
Before dating another woman who already has children from another man, I would listen to someone like Rich Cooper about what he says about the disadvantages to men for dating single moms. You need to protect yourself from getting in a situation like this again.
My ex didn't agree when I finally told her that I was sick and tired of being treated so much more differently than everyone else and being put on the back burner for everyone else. I was told that I was just "jealous" or I was full of crap. No, I know exactly what I saw. I was put on the back burner for everyone and everything else. She treated the neighbors better than she treated me. That crap hurt and she didn't care. She always made time for everyone else and when I wanted to spend time with her there was always an excuse, either she wasn't feeling well or she was too tired. All that I was was a tool. You can call me a fool as well for putting up with it. I wasted over twenty-three years loving someone who didn't love me but I would not change having my children for anything. I just pray that my oldest sees the truth. I miss her so much.
I told my mother, brother and sister I'm done a little over a year ago. I was 63 years old when I said it, let these five year olds show their asses to the world...they can't help themselves.
Always trust that gut. I was told by a therapist upon seeing my daughter and for the first time that she could tell we loved each other. But at a later appointment I asked, “If my daughter loved me wouldn’t I know it?” S I L E N C E My covert daughter does not love me nor has she for at least 16 years. She’s as cold as ice but puts on a good act for the public eye.
Ditched a friend bc i discovered all these horrible traits in her...when we went on a vaca- [ friendly for 11 years] all her devaluing, competativeness came out ..she ruined the trip. I told her to take a hike to her face then .. proceeded to blocked her on all social media. Acurate Explanation here.🎉
Thank you Jill ! I recently, within the last year, learned about covert/overt narcissists. Processing some c-ptsd from growing up these monsters... I'm still shocked these people exist. Shocked and angry... very, very angry that they CHOSE to treat me so poorly. Thank you for educating us!!!
We also need to add that narcissistic women behave as narcissistic men when they are surrounded by people they believe are inferior (Usually children) They can become violent, intimidating, threatening but switch and behave as angels when they are with men.
When my narcissist ex got mad she would call anyone a narcissist and when you mentioned all these people close to you who are narcissistic it made me think of her.
Jill is bang on and my advice is if you realise something is not right keep all texts, photos, voice messages and as much evidence as you can and let them know you have it so that if they think they might try a smear campaign on you the constant thought you have tons of evidence reminds them to keep well away from you.
Gosh Jill, I'm so sorry you and your son went through such severe cruelty. I send care and compassion, and ... understanding. Everything you've experienced sounded like you were describing my bio mother and sister, and my ex husbands mother and sister. Right down to false allegations against me. These people are sick ..and dangerous. We think most people don't know about these women but what Ive learned through the years is that many people see something is really wrong w these women. Thanks for you videos and education. You are an inspiration to my life as I'm still recovering. Hugs.
Another tip I’ve noticed - they’re often weirdly obsessed with dogs (and def not cats) but that’s NOT to say all dog-lovers are narcs. And they’re odd/weird with young children. Like they’re talking to mini adults and have zero ability to get down on their level and really “play” with children.
Haha I have observed the same thing. It's because a dog is more obedient and submissive to their will. Whereas cats are fiercely independent and will not be easily controlled.
Mentioned to the ex mother in law that weaning her female dogs pups in the living room is a bad idea. Fast forward 6 months the female dog started biting the kids…
Also when my ex took off with our son she left our cat without food and water while I was away. She always said that’s your cat.. we also go this cat from her brother when he got a dog bred by his mom and the dog and cat didn’t get along….
My parents have smeared me (led by my mother) to my in-laws and other friend of the family. They have gone to every measure possible to paint themselves as the good Christian victim parents. I’ve gone no contact with them for 2 years now and they still vilify me to others. It’s exhausting😢.
Sorry to hear that. I've been smeared left and right from what I can see. It is infuriating. But it's our challenge to not let this rule us.... To not let it destroy our peace... (Says the guy writing this at 4am)
Miss Jill, thank you for sharing from your real experience. Many of us suffer similarly and are validated by you exposure. This topic is poignant. Stay strong and take care of yourself. You are providing a needful but....dangerous resource. Be strong ms Jill💪👍
Ive been living with one I have two kids with. I am trapped. Always cast aside and given silent treatment when she doesn't get what she wants. You'd be shocked to find out who she works for. She is a master of PR for her own self. I have felt the lowest I have ever felt in my life. If you knew her in the workplace or outside of work you'd think I was the problem. I seem to always be unsettled and anxious. I have adhd, anxiety, and ptsd and she loves nothing more than to stoke my anxieties and then say " look at how unstable he is". They don't realize it's her that's made me feel that way and mine for being an idiot and not seeing this sooner. She puts me down and anyone else in her sphere but loves to mask herself in the eyes of others. It's imperative for her to win every time. In every argument. In every way. But for what? This part confuses me. Why? Why treat someone that way?
Be Careful Be careful who you let in your life, and certainly, the one you take as a wife. For many come in who are not what they seem, and despite their bright smiles, there’s always a scheme. A scheme that will cut you, that is more than a ploy, done for their pleasure, done for their joy. Joy from the pain, they see on your face, as you’re praying for mercy, but they show not a trace. One moment they love you, and the next one they hate, and your purest of motives, they seek to berate. Not Peter’s denial, he screamed with clinched fist, hurt Jesus the most, that was Judas’s kiss. For its those we love deeply, and let down our guard, whose hearts are not flesh, but like stones they are hard. And that one there beside you, sleeping in bed, her heart may be beating, but her soul remains dead.
Extremely accurate!! I am fighting in court for custody of my son. My last two exes, one of which is my son's mother, are both colluding to take away my parental rights and possibly even send me to prison. Luckily I have evidence of their true character and stated intentions. I hope the judges side with me, for my son's sake. Btw, my two exes have the same birthday... they are Scorpios. I never paid attention to astrology before and was warned by another Scorpio to stay away from Scorpios lol Anyway, we shall see. 😅
My mother is a Scorpio, so is her brother, her father too, as was my paternal grandmother. I wouldn't take the astrology too seriously tbh.... I don't think it's very accurate.
Miss Jill, my name is Tony. A 40 year old man, who raised my baby girl from the day she was born. She’s now 11 1/2. We are both born empaths. I succumbed to her mothers evil wrath for nearly 20 years years, but finally stood up. From the millisecond, I did, she flipped the script, moved the goal post, and made me out to be the bad guy. A disgusting smear campaign and Whitchhunt. I’ve been contending with her evil, monster mother in court now for three years straight. As you already know, I’d rather die than stop fighting for my daughter. Your videos have brought me unparalleled support in my Darkest Hour. You knocked it out of the park with this one like never before. Every single word you speak is freakishly dead on accurate. To the DNA and the bone marrow of it all. They are such predictable creatures. Me, and my daughter, (who is presently kidnapped from me) Love, honor, treasure, relish, and benefit from you, and your son’s story in ways that go far beyond anything you could imagine. I can scroll 1 trillion words, and speak to you for 100 years over the telephone. You are our ultimate source of inspiration. My baby’s voice is currently being buried, confined, manipulated, twisted, and hidden from the world at the hands of her abusive mother. Not forever!! She will soon turn around and see a ghost in the eyes of all her abuser’s eyes. And she will come running back to her daddy. The elevator doesn’t go any higher. I finally recognize and realize every single conceivable component of their despicable reality and abuse. You’ve made our lives so much better, and empowered me to no end. We love you, Miss Jill.
You are very right lady. I echo your recommendation - everyone should be educated to detect these behaviour and run away. I got my narcisistic adoptive father, which is a high functioning type so he remained covert a long time until we realized what was the issue. And then a business partner that deceived me for only a few months but caused a lot of pain in my group. After that I learnt a lot and now I can spot narcisistic traits a mile away. Never again one of these evil people will be able to mess with my circle, my business or my plans.
Thank you for this video. I greatly appreciate you putting this out there. What you have described in this video fits my former malignant narc to a T. Looking back on it, I can't help but think that the only word I can use to describe this person is evil. In fact, she has a look that looked downright evil when taking pleasure in her diabolical actions. When I first I saw the look, I was perturbed by it but - to my detriment - I ignored it as an obvious red flag as I was enamoured. I fell hard for the well-executed love bombing and future faking. Never again.
This is so right! My daughter is isolating her 6 year old daughter in this very way! It started with my husband and I, the grandparents. And now she cant see her cousins (my grandsons) because they live next door to us. It breaks my heart to think of my precious granddaughter wondering what has happened to the family she used to have...grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins. Wondering why no one comes to her birthday party, to Christmas. These people are the WORST!!
Excellent. I’ve had many narcissistic people in my life. Both men and women but my older daughter is a psychopathic malignant narcissist and it she has broken me to the core. At 43 she is worse than ever. Severely abusing me now that I’m elderly and very ill. She is evil and vile and sadistic. She is covert and fools almost everyone including police, judges, psychiatrists, etc. she abuses her 4 young children and one point that really hit me is when you said they are at every school function to show what a great mother she is. When I couldn’t take anymore and told her she’s a terrible mother the first thing she said was, “I’m at EVERY school function”. That’s what is important to her. Meanwhile she abuses every child in a different way. She’s cruel, a pathological liar and dangerous. My situation is horrific but hoping I can get away soon. Thank you. I’m saving this podcast.
that's true, it was so alarming to eventually see that they actually love watching the hell and destruction they cause. This is so against humankind, so abnormal
Every time I find a new one of these, they get better. I swear. 😄🙏💯2:36 I love these, and I always try to relate. I like how you told us about what you went through, because hiding those secrets is how they keep us stuck, I know you know that because you are the coach here no doubt. I did wanna say, what you said you went through we went through just about the same thing. It was especially disturbing when we had gone to such lengths proving time n again, we were sane/rational, and trustworthy. For a while, it seemed like it was working, but only until the narcissist (X HUSBAND) got to close family. One person in particular, just like you were saying, a sister or sister n law to a toxic x. Ya, her. So we empathize with your struggle. One of the most panicking feelings is to be harassed by someone you’ve already identified as a threat and harm. They play the system, jump through hurdles, and lie lie lie. While you and I have to be accountable in real time, as you know, there are no rules to a narcissist. Our guy hurt our pockets, reputation, smeared, brought false allegations AFTER BEING CAUGHT red handed getting crazy with a kid. Old news now, but still, see how his actions stink, but the victims have to do all the answering. Can’t wait to give a listen. 😎🙏💯
I am sorry to hear your harsh story and glad you and your son are together. I believe you as my ex fabricated false criminal accusations against me and is alienating my children. The good news is my lawyer got a restraint warrant against her and the court has documented her as abusive, aggressive and the source of intra-family violence.
I think the ending of your video explains things for me: you say you should wait until you know someone better before making a judgement about them. I have always assumed the best in people and been very open with people from the very beginning, only closing off if the person proves undesirable. By then of course, they've latched on and if rejected or grey-walled, their mask slips. I realise now, these people are always on the lookout for suckers, often outside trawling the streets. Most people will not give them much time. Me, on the other hand, will think I've made a friend. Oh dear! Time to get real and be more discerning.
Thank you for sharing your experience with narcissism. I'm so sorry for the abuse you and your son endured. I am an adult Scapegoat in a narcissistic family. I have no contact with my immediate family. My choice.
Great Video!!!! You just gave a great retrospective review of my father's family... Eight girls and two boys, and those girls largely fit your description to a "tee".. I called a couple of them "snakes" as a young teenager . My father could not see through them and got a lot of advice from them on raising me...Yeoow!!!!
Sweet Poly purbreb....I'm sorry but this is a character from a vintage cartoon character from Underdog. Ms Jill...you have once again shown yourself to be truly genuine in your presentation. Thank you ms Wise for your genuine character. 👍
Our stories sound similar I don't know if I will ever fully recovered from all the psychological abuse I have been submitted to from the many narcissistic individuals that use to be in my life!
Hi Jill, thanks for opening up to us..For me I can truly say I am the only person alive that knows what my ex did and the way she acted behind closed doors..if you get my drift...so yes, I understand..Thanks 🕊️☮️
Jill first of all I am very happy you are being vindicated now by all the truth coming out about them...next I know this was a very personal insight into what you have survived thank God you and your son are healing...I had to walk away from my entire family and move to another country and continent to save my life from these monsters..my mother destroyed everything and even her last will and testament after her death was manipulated years before to cause so much damage to myself and my narc siblings...I believe now they have no soul and may have a beating heart but it is black thru and thru and used by the enermy to destroy beautiful ones...I wish you and your son only the very best and please stay safe from their pure evil...which is s term I wouldn't use for years.. but now it is the only description that is correct..much love and blessings from a fellow warrior in recovery..massive hug❤
My wife was raised by a male narcissist, she learned well. For four years she told me she hated her narcissist father, then when our child was born, she turned into him. She's run away with our child and called me abusive to alienate me from him. The state and family court side with her, despite no evidence. She's been homeless and now lives in a motel with our son. The sheriff's and judges treat me as a criminal. I just want a healthy, loving and nurturing home environment for our son. He's been to the ER several times since she's left, but the state still sides with her. I am lost as to what to do. I wasted $10k on lawyers and got no where. I guess the courts, law enforcement and lawyers Are all narcissist as well. I just wanted love and truth for our son.
What my elder brother and sociopathic narcissist sister did to my parents is unfathomable. Especially what my sister did to my mother at the end of my moms life.. my sister made my mother suffer her being the #1 on the list for my mother's health care and executor of the will in which she stole everything my parents owned. Just horrible
My ex has many of these traits, the most of which is playing the victim to get their entitled wishes from others. When she left suddenly with our then eight year old daughter about six years ago, she made up a totally false story that she had to leave because I was having some type of affair, so to get pity from family and others. Turns out it was her who was having an affair with an ex boyfriend. She totally tried to play up the poor victim story in the courts while she severely alienated our daughter. Let's not forget that when narcissist are not getting their way, they decompensated into persecutory victim delusions,, i.e. they believe their own lies, further eliciting more pity from others, often also pulling in the children into their scheme to take care of their "victimized" parent. They are not capable of owning their behavior and its fallout. Beware of the love bombers and the victim story tellers. Thanks for your presentation.
I have experienced all that you are talking about. I am a😊 believer in Christ Jesus and my faith in God and the trust that I have in Him, has proved that His Justice is a given for these people. I have witnessed this with my oen eyes over the years. I stand in the Truth of God and know He will tske care of them eventually. I reserve God's right to take care of me, and He will but more thsn that He "Will" take care of thr justice. Nk contact, no engagement, no explaining, Gray Rock works well. All I have is time. I watch, wait and pray. God hears His people and He responds in His time. Reality is...they build the wrath of God against thrmselves everyday. Jystice will come!!! Thanks Jill, blessings to you and your son!!❤
My bestie has just discovered this in a female she's known for 30 years, because she made a nice comment in front of others, she's now gone insane on social media and she's making threats, she doesn't really know my friend to be doing this to her lol. It's ridiculous.
You are talking about my sister (now deceased) turned my son against me. Her son is now poisoning him. He tret me horribly at their lies and propaganda.
When I first met the narc. According to her... Every other person she knew was badmouthed and slated to me by her. She was literally the victim of everybody around in some way. As time went on I slowly started to realise that it was herself that she was describing. Unfortunately I only started to realise after she became pregnant. I wasnt from her area so I had nobody to speak to plus all the people she had crapped on behind my back are all her friends. They are all now her flying monkeys. I also realised that she was bad mouthing/slating and lying about me just as much as everyone else from the beginning. It is so hard to think about all the things she has done. There are so many. It has been around 10 years of no contact. But she will re connect with me just to re- write history involving all her flying monkeys names as if they are her witnesses. When I explain the true occurences I get called a lier. When I show evidence Im suddenly pathetic, a narcissist and im trying to cause trouble and stuck in the past. She tells me the most disgusting stories about myself as if she is actually telling the truth. But tells me to delete my evidence because if her flying monkeys find out the truth it will ofcourse be my fault that they will all go after her. Never ending cycle.
I am so thankful these greedy, selfish women are being exposed for what they really are. I hope that our generation can put a stop to some of this nonsense. I don't believe they are really getting it in church. They need to listen instead of dump their lies when they go. But it won't do any good because to me, they know what they do and they can never hide another innocent persons pain.
Hi, my name is Colin, which I call myself simple This podcast you’ve just posted or made That’s what I am going through for years, but it was with my neighbor that lived above me. I am stuck and I don’t know what to do. I’m crying out or else.
My Sociopathic soon to be ex wife learned mirroring by buying 3 books: Living with a husband with Asperger’s Syndrome. I do not have AS lol. There are sections in the book regarding mirroring.
My coworker can be president of this sick society. Supervisor even warned to “protect yourself” in general terms when dealing with some people ---I knew, at that time, he knew the monster on his team. Disaster for HR I’m sure
Female narcissists are something different. My evil aunt destroyed my family of origin. She's elderly now, but still pays someone to track me on social media.
On my birthday I got attacked by my sis then next day called shady and full in attack for having her friend come over drop off some craft I paid for , it's so bad that's almost weekly abuse.
No, there’s a genetic predisposition to the disorder, a genetic link, that is triggered in childhood by trauma or entitlements, or some combination of both. So it’s both nature and nurture.
@@theenlightenedtarget Rebecca Zung claims brain damage from childhood abuse, neglect, or over indulgence. Dealing with what you dealt with. Family court is so stupid!
Good one Jill, I have one question, is my wife a narcissist, I am working for the past 32 years and I have not been allowed to take a penny for myself, this is just the tip of the iceberg, do you think I am right
I don’t know, that’s not nearly enough information to make a judgment one way or the other. However, if she controls all the money and forbids you to spend any or have access to the finances, I would consider that a form of financial abuse.
Narcissistic mothers can alienate their spouses from children and other relatives just by playing victim and smearing the other person. It is continuous whining and complaining about the other person that goes on for years. The real victim here is actually the one who's being complained about. Unfortunately most people do not see through it and become fellow abusers by taking the narcissists side.
… as a German Biologist - Impulse Control With intense Endurance and Inner Strength Training I repel the Predators with my Firewall and No trespassing Weakness attracts all sorts of Predators and Cannibals
I have saved every message every public post not recent ones though. Would you be willing to look through them? Because I honestly believe that this sounds EXACTLY like a former friend to a T. She is still playing the victim to this day
My narc wife tries to look as a devote religious studing the bible. She never do anything of bible lessons. It is a manipulation behaiovur to improve her image
My ex left me for one of these women. I believe she is about to destroy him financially. I’ve discovered she opened a CC in his name, maxed it out and hasn’t made payments for 6+ months. He seems to be unaware of it so far…. Karma will hit him soon
A Magic Pen… I wish there were magic in the ink of my pen, magic to help me, start over again. But not just start over, but also release, those who disturbed and disrupted my peace. Those who will take, and seldom will give, who only for self, they desire to live. Those of the lie, who seek to take all, who run from the truth, while embracing the fall. Those with a bark that comes with a bite, who’s evil they hide, masquerading as light. Those who are twisted, far beyond the repair, who act at times loving, but really don’t care. Don’t care if you’re cut, or how much you bleed, who desert you the instant, you’re in the most need. Oh, give me a pen that can also erase, they’re cunning shy smile, and malevolent face.
They are evil and it is a life force for them, they try to get people so low ass they constaintely are they are emphty shells a endless void a blackhole that destroys everything in their reach
You're speaking of my cult leader sister and her cult followers, two other sisters, and a "mother" (if you can call her that.) I won't go into it but will say....my son died of cancer. During that 3 years of hell, not one of them spoke one word to me. Demon Seeds.
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Here is a link to a video that has actual video footage of my ex and his sister stalking me, hunting me down, and making false 911 calls trying to get me arrested. They video tapped themselves doing this, and my attorney got possession of the tape in court. They have been doing things like this to me for decades.
Love to you, Jill ❤️🩹
I just watched the vid. "I don't want to give a name" on the 911 call - but they were stupid enough to film their antics and the coaching by the male. Don't forget to enjoy a little schadenfreude as their public exposure gathers steam, Jill. I'd imagine there'll be a long line of people coming forward with stories to tell now the bullies have been dragged into the light. Namaste.
@@wayneelliott1180 They couldn't help themselves... Demons!
Hugs to you and your son Jill
blimey - not the brightest bulbs in the box are they? Glad they've been rumbled. Blessings Jill.
Our society has been coming down hard on male narcissists for decades now, but the female ones have been flourishing.
I HAVE A FEMALE COVERT NARC LIVING NEXT TO ME. SHE ACTS "NICE" IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE. BUT SHE YELLS,ACTS DOMINEERING, IGNORES RULES, AND ABUSES MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND COSED DOORS. I AVOID ANY CONTACT WITH HER. SHE IS A PARASITE.
This World is Full of Narcissist Male & Female be safe 🌍
@@hannibalweber35492nd that
You missed the point . Adhd ?
And they are the worst ones too…..
My mother 💯💯💯 - hiding behind religion while she has zero spirituality, empathy, love, or morality.
💯 mine as well
I married a female narcissist. I can't even begin to describe the pain, the suffering, the ruin this person brought upon my children and I. I met her at church. She acted like she was a strong Christian. Biggest mistake of my life. I am so sorry to my children for giving them such a horrible mother
My one had 2 bibles….often told me we were ‘unevenly yoked’ ie that I was inferior to her… while she lied and cheated away …
Exactly
I know your pain I filed on my ex-wife a covert narcissist that is when the true nightmare began she weaponized the law against me to character assassinate me I truly feel like my soul was touched by EVIL
@JeremiahWeber-uw4yf So sorry this happened to you. Take comfort knowing God will judge these wicked women harshly. They will be screaming "lord, lord" in the judgement.
A lot are in the church pretending to be sold out to Jesus ,they come across well groomed ,good looking with good morals, they deem themselves with some special ministry that yet to be revealed to the world. They love thinking they're the most important person in the room,they usually cling to those in leadership.
Triangulation and putting people against each other is another ..
I am light-headed right now learning all of this information about narcissistic women. I can't believe how the woman that I love turned out. I recognized so many red flags but chose to overlook them because I blamed it all on her traumatic childhood. She completely played on the kindness of my heart. Now that she knows that I know what she is, she has dropped me and is treating me as if I never meant anything to her. I treated this woman's child as if they were my own. I loved them both unconditionally. She slowly created distance between me and her child and told them not to ask for me anymore. I was doing great in life before meeting this woman. She has ruined a piece of me. I thought she really loved me. How can I trust another woman after this?
IT TAKES TIME TO HEAL. EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT NARCISSISM. GO NO CONTACT. ANY NEW WOMEN MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THEM SLOWLY AND DON'T JUMP INTO BED WITH THEM. DON'T LOAN THEM ANY MONEY. PROTECT YOURSELF AND ENFORCE YOUR BOUNDARIES.
That sounds awful mate. So sorry to hear that. I would honestly take a good long while away from romantic interactions to heal and rebuild and arm yourself with knowledge to help prevent something like this happening again in the future. Learning the red flags and obeying then when they appear helps. Many of us, including myself, have a bad habit of observing red flags but then continuing nonetheless. This is usually because we have a self-love deficit - we become dependent on the input from others to let us know that we have value. Learning to self-validate is really key. These are just a few thoughts that come to mind, but there's a lot more to learn. Take it one day at a time. And always trust your gut.
Before dating another woman who already has children from another man, I would listen to someone like Rich Cooper about what he says about the disadvantages to men for dating single moms. You need to protect yourself from getting in a situation like this again.
They always give you the childhood trauma sob story…now you knw
Wow, yes Karma will eventually catch up with these Narcs... Once the makeup fades... Society sees who they are. It's inevitable. Thank you Jill 🙏🏼
TRUTH
My ex didn't agree when I finally told her that I was sick and tired of being treated so much more differently than everyone else and being put on the back burner for everyone else. I was told that I was just "jealous" or I was full of crap. No, I know exactly what I saw. I was put on the back burner for everyone and everything else. She treated the neighbors better than she treated me. That crap hurt and she didn't care. She always made time for everyone else and when I wanted to spend time with her there was always an excuse, either she wasn't feeling well or she was too tired. All that I was was a tool. You can call me a fool as well for putting up with it. I wasted over twenty-three years loving someone who didn't love me but I would not change having my children for anything. I just pray that my oldest sees the truth. I miss her so much.
I told my mother, brother and sister I'm done a little over a year ago. I was 63 years old when I said it, let these five year olds show their asses to the world...they can't help themselves.
Always trust that gut. I was told by a therapist upon seeing my daughter and for the first time that she could tell we loved each other. But at a later appointment I asked, “If my daughter loved me wouldn’t I know it?”
S I L E N C E
My covert daughter does not love me nor has she for at least 16 years. She’s as cold as ice but puts on a good act for the public eye.
Ditched a friend bc i discovered all these horrible traits in her...when we went on a vaca- [ friendly for 11 years] all her devaluing, competativeness came out ..she ruined the trip. I told her to take a hike to her face then .. proceeded to blocked her on all social media. Acurate Explanation here.🎉
Good for you!!!❤
Atta girl!
💯
Thank you Jill !
I recently, within the last year, learned about covert/overt narcissists.
Processing some c-ptsd from growing up these monsters...
I'm still shocked these people exist.
Shocked and angry... very, very angry that they CHOSE to treat me so poorly.
Thank you for educating us!!!
We also need to add that narcissistic women behave as narcissistic men when they are surrounded by people they believe are inferior (Usually children) They can become violent, intimidating, threatening but switch and behave as angels when they are with men.
omg yessss !!! I’ve been raised around them and to be honest your 100% on point
When my narcissist ex got mad she would call anyone a narcissist and when you mentioned all these people close to you who are narcissistic it made me think of her.
Jill is bang on and my advice is if you realise something is not right keep all texts, photos, voice messages and as much evidence as you can and let them know you have it so that if they think they might try a smear campaign on you the constant thought you have tons of evidence reminds them to keep well away from you.
Gosh Jill,
I'm so sorry you and your son went through such severe cruelty.
I send care and compassion, and ... understanding.
Everything you've experienced sounded like you were describing my bio mother and sister, and my ex husbands mother and sister.
Right down to false allegations against me.
These people are sick ..and dangerous.
We think most people don't know about these women but what Ive learned through the years is that many people see something is really wrong w these women.
Thanks for you videos and education.
You are an inspiration to my life as I'm still recovering.
Hugs.
Thank you so much. 🙏
Emotional incest is typical, as also sexualizing friendships as a way of mental control, masked as intimacy
You just described my ex wife with 100% accuracy. Thank you for your work 💖
Another tip I’ve noticed - they’re often weirdly obsessed with dogs (and def not cats) but that’s NOT to say all dog-lovers are narcs. And they’re odd/weird with young children. Like they’re talking to mini adults and have zero ability to get down on their level and really “play” with children.
Haha I have observed the same thing. It's because a dog is more obedient and submissive to their will. Whereas cats are fiercely independent and will not be easily controlled.
Mentioned to the ex mother in law that weaning her female dogs pups in the living room is a bad idea. Fast forward 6 months the female dog started biting the kids…
Also when my ex took off with our son she left our cat without food and water while I was away. She always said that’s your cat.. we also go this cat from her brother when he got a dog bred by his mom and the dog and cat didn’t get along….
I almost got sucked in by one,thank God i saw through it before I went all in.
It's easy to fall for their charm, who doesn't want to be praised etc.... when it rings too good to be true, take it seriously.
Yeah me too.. I followed the sweet song of the siren but managed to snap out of it.
My parents have smeared me (led by my mother) to my in-laws and other friend of the family. They have gone to every measure possible to paint themselves as the good Christian victim parents. I’ve gone no contact with them for 2 years now and they still vilify me to others. It’s exhausting😢.
Very very very exhausting.
Sorry to hear that. I've been smeared left and right from what I can see. It is infuriating. But it's our challenge to not let this rule us.... To not let it destroy our peace... (Says the guy writing this at 4am)
Miss Jill, thank you for sharing from your real experience. Many of us suffer similarly and are validated by you exposure. This topic is poignant. Stay strong and take care of yourself. You are providing a needful but....dangerous resource. Be strong ms Jill💪👍
Ive been living with one I have two kids with. I am trapped. Always cast aside and given silent treatment when she doesn't get what she wants. You'd be shocked to find out who she works for. She is a master of PR for her own self. I have felt the lowest I have ever felt in my life. If you knew her in the workplace or outside of work you'd think I was the problem. I seem to always be unsettled and anxious. I have adhd, anxiety, and ptsd and she loves nothing more than to stoke my anxieties and then say " look at how unstable he is". They don't realize it's her that's made me feel that way and mine for being an idiot and not seeing this sooner. She puts me down and anyone else in her sphere but loves to mask herself in the eyes of others. It's imperative for her to win every time. In every argument. In every way. But for what? This part confuses me. Why? Why treat someone that way?
Perfectly and wonderfully said. These entities are beyond words.
If u went through it it makes u a way better teacher - that's intense story
You have just told my story!! It's as if you were a fly on my wall. Thank you so much for this video. Sending you my love and many prayers ❤️🙏
Thank you! 🙏
You reap what you sow, more than you sow, later than you sow.
True Indeed
Be Careful
Be careful who you
let in your life,
and certainly, the one
you take as a wife.
For many come in
who are not what they seem,
and despite their bright smiles,
there’s always a scheme.
A scheme that will cut you,
that is more than a ploy,
done for their pleasure,
done for their joy.
Joy from the pain,
they see on your face,
as you’re praying for mercy,
but they show not a trace.
One moment they love you,
and the next one they hate,
and your purest of motives,
they seek to berate.
Not Peter’s denial,
he screamed with clinched fist,
hurt Jesus the most,
that was Judas’s kiss.
For its those we love deeply,
and let down our guard,
whose hearts are not flesh,
but like stones they are hard.
And that one there beside you,
sleeping in bed,
her heart may be beating,
but her soul remains dead.
This was brilliant! Who was the author, so I can quote their name if I ever share it? Thanks
Extremely accurate!! I am fighting in court for custody of my son. My last two exes, one of which is my son's mother, are both colluding to take away my parental rights and possibly even send me to prison. Luckily I have evidence of their true character and stated intentions. I hope the judges side with me, for my son's sake. Btw, my two exes have the same birthday... they are Scorpios. I never paid attention to astrology before and was warned by another Scorpio to stay away from Scorpios lol Anyway, we shall see. 😅
My mother is a Scorpio, so is her brother, her father too, as was my paternal grandmother. I wouldn't take the astrology too seriously tbh.... I don't think it's very accurate.
We share very similar stories. Thank you for your honesty.
They love it when "a plan comes together".
Miss Jill, my name is Tony. A 40 year old man, who raised my baby girl from the day she was born. She’s now 11 1/2. We are both born empaths. I succumbed to her mothers evil wrath for nearly 20 years years, but finally stood up. From the millisecond, I did, she flipped the script, moved the goal post, and made me out to be the bad guy. A disgusting smear campaign and Whitchhunt. I’ve been contending with her evil, monster mother in court now for three years straight. As you already know, I’d rather die than stop fighting for my daughter. Your videos have brought me unparalleled support in my Darkest Hour. You knocked it out of the park with this one like never before. Every single word you speak is freakishly dead on accurate. To the DNA and the bone marrow of it all. They are such predictable creatures. Me, and my daughter, (who is presently kidnapped from me) Love, honor, treasure, relish, and benefit from you, and your son’s story in ways that go far beyond anything you could imagine. I can scroll 1 trillion words, and speak to you for 100 years over the telephone. You are our ultimate source of inspiration. My baby’s voice is currently being buried, confined, manipulated, twisted, and hidden from the world at the hands of her abusive mother. Not forever!! She will soon turn around and see a ghost in the eyes of all her abuser’s eyes. And she will come running back to her daddy. The elevator doesn’t go any higher. I finally recognize and realize every single conceivable component of their despicable reality and abuse. You’ve made our lives so much better, and empowered me to no end. We love you, Miss Jill.
Thank you!! 🙏
Thank you Jill. For doing GOD'S work from a Humane/Human perspective.
You are very right lady. I echo your recommendation - everyone should be educated to detect these behaviour and run away. I got my narcisistic adoptive father, which is a high functioning type so he remained covert a long time until we realized what was the issue. And then a business partner that deceived me for only a few months but caused a lot of pain in my group. After that I learnt a lot and now I can spot narcisistic traits a mile away. Never again one of these evil people will be able to mess with my circle, my business or my plans.
Glad you and your son are safe. Love your work Jill.
Thank you so much!
Thank you for this video. I greatly appreciate you putting this out there.
What you have described in this video fits my former malignant narc to a T. Looking back on it, I can't help but think that the only word I can use to describe this person is evil. In fact, she has a look that looked downright evil when taking pleasure in her diabolical actions. When I first I saw the look, I was perturbed by it but - to my detriment - I ignored it as an obvious red flag as I was enamoured. I fell hard for the well-executed love bombing and future faking.
Never again.
Thank you for sharing your past exspirences with NPD. Just beginning to understand this mental illness and how it affects others.
This is so right! My daughter is isolating her 6 year old daughter in this very way! It started with my husband and I, the grandparents. And now she cant see her cousins (my grandsons) because they live next door to us. It breaks my heart to think of my precious granddaughter wondering what has happened to the family she used to have...grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins. Wondering why no one comes to her birthday party, to Christmas. These people are the WORST!!
Excellent. I’ve had many narcissistic people in my life. Both men and women but my older daughter is a psychopathic malignant narcissist and it she has broken me to the core. At 43 she is worse than ever. Severely abusing me now that I’m elderly and very ill. She is evil and vile and sadistic. She is covert and fools almost everyone including police, judges, psychiatrists, etc. she abuses her 4 young children and one point that really hit me is when you said they are at every school function to show what a great mother she is. When I couldn’t take anymore and told her she’s a terrible mother the first thing she said was, “I’m at EVERY school function”. That’s what is important to her. Meanwhile she abuses every child in a different way. She’s cruel, a pathological liar and dangerous. My situation is horrific but hoping I can get away soon. Thank you. I’m saving this podcast.
that's true, it was so alarming to eventually see that they actually love watching the hell and destruction they cause. This is so against humankind, so abnormal
Thank you !! This really helps many many. Appreciate you.
You're very welcome!
You're a fellow female warrior!
You're not alone either. ❤
Every time I find a new one of these, they get better. I swear. 😄🙏💯2:36 I love these, and I always try to relate. I like how you told us about what you went through, because hiding those secrets is how they keep us stuck, I know you know that because you are the coach here no doubt. I did wanna say, what you said you went through we went through just about the same thing. It was especially disturbing when we had gone to such lengths proving time n again, we were sane/rational, and trustworthy. For a while, it seemed like it was working, but only until the narcissist (X HUSBAND) got to close family. One person in particular, just like you were saying, a sister or sister n law to a toxic x. Ya, her. So we empathize with your struggle. One of the most panicking feelings is to be harassed by someone you’ve already identified as a threat and harm. They play the system, jump through hurdles, and lie lie lie. While you and I have to be accountable in real time, as you know, there are no rules to a narcissist. Our guy hurt our pockets, reputation, smeared, brought false allegations AFTER BEING CAUGHT red handed getting crazy with a kid. Old news now, but still, see how his actions stink, but the victims have to do all the answering. Can’t wait to give a listen. 😎🙏💯
I am sorry to hear your harsh story and glad you and your son are together. I believe you as my ex fabricated false criminal accusations against me and is alienating my children. The good news is my lawyer got a restraint warrant against her and the court has documented her as abusive, aggressive and the source of intra-family violence.
I think the ending of your video explains things for me: you say you should wait until you know someone better before making a judgement about them. I have always assumed the best in people and been very open with people from the very beginning, only closing off if the person proves undesirable. By then of course, they've latched on and if rejected or grey-walled, their mask slips. I realise now, these people are always on the lookout for suckers, often outside trawling the streets. Most people will not give them much time. Me, on the other hand, will think I've made a friend. Oh dear! Time to get real and be more discerning.
You are wonderfully Wise, Mrs. Wise! Always enjoying your time and efforts. Thank you!
I'm sorry, I hear you. Thank you for sharing ❤
Thank you for sharing your experience with narcissism. I'm so sorry for the abuse you and your son endured. I am an adult Scapegoat in a narcissistic family. I have no contact with my immediate family. My choice.
You're not alone! ❤
Great Video!!!! You just gave a great retrospective review of my father's family... Eight girls and two boys, and those girls largely fit your description to a "tee".. I called a couple of them "snakes" as a young teenager . My father could not see through them and got a lot of advice from them on raising me...Yeoow!!!!
Sweet Poly purbreb....I'm sorry but this is a character from a vintage cartoon character from Underdog. Ms Jill...you have once again shown yourself to be truly genuine in your presentation. Thank you ms Wise for your genuine character. 👍
Thanks for your information, and have a good Day 🙂👍
Our stories sound similar I don't know if I will ever fully recovered from all the psychological abuse I have been submitted to from the many narcissistic individuals that use to be in my life!
Hi Jill, thanks for opening up to us..For me I can truly say I am the only person alive that knows what my ex did and the way she acted behind closed doors..if you get my drift...so yes, I understand..Thanks 🕊️☮️
Jill first of all I am very happy you are being vindicated now by all the truth coming out about them...next I know this was a very personal insight into what you have survived thank God you and your son are healing...I had to walk away from my entire family and move to another country and continent to save my life from these monsters..my mother destroyed everything and even her last will and testament after her death was manipulated years before to cause so much damage to myself and my narc siblings...I believe now they have no soul and may have a beating heart but it is black thru and thru and used by the enermy to destroy beautiful ones...I wish you and your son only the very best and please stay safe from their pure evil...which is s term I wouldn't use for years.. but now it is the only description that is correct..much love and blessings from a fellow warrior in recovery..massive hug❤
Thanks
Thank you so much!! 🙏
Thanks!
Thank you so much! I appreciate it. Blessings! 🙏
THESE PEOPLE ARE sick only solution is to go no contact wether Family or strangers their heart is Black
My wife was raised by a male narcissist, she learned well. For four years she told me she hated her narcissist father, then when our child was born, she turned into him. She's run away with our child and called me abusive to alienate me from him. The state and family court side with her, despite no evidence. She's been homeless and now lives in a motel with our son. The sheriff's and judges treat me as a criminal. I just want a healthy, loving and nurturing home environment for our son. He's been to the ER several times since she's left, but the state still sides with her. I am lost as to what to do. I wasted $10k on lawyers and got no where. I guess the courts, law enforcement and lawyers Are all narcissist as well. I just wanted love and truth for our son.
Love you, Girl
Thank you
Thank you so much for this❤😢❤. This really helps! Can relate heavily and its horrible. So sorry this happened to you also.😢
What my elder brother and sociopathic narcissist sister did to my parents is unfathomable. Especially what my sister did to my mother at the end of my moms life.. my sister made my mother suffer her being the #1 on the list for my mother's health care and executor of the will in which she stole everything my parents owned. Just horrible
I'm sure that's coming down the pipe for me. My sister is a narc and a big time lawyer too
This is SO spot on!!!
Excellent video, thank you!!!
My ex has many of these traits, the most of which is playing the victim to get their entitled wishes from others. When she left suddenly with our then eight year old daughter about six years ago, she made up a totally false story that she had to leave because I was having some type of affair, so to get pity from family and others. Turns out it was her who was having an affair with an ex boyfriend. She totally tried to play up the poor victim story in the courts while she severely alienated our daughter. Let's not forget that when narcissist are not getting their way, they decompensated into persecutory victim delusions,, i.e. they believe their own lies, further eliciting more pity from others, often also pulling in the children into their scheme to take care of their "victimized" parent. They are not capable of owning their behavior and its fallout. Beware of the love bombers and the victim story tellers. Thanks for your presentation.
Well said
omg!!! extremely accurate!
This is happening to me right now by my Ex Wife ( Narcissistic ). I long for my children back. For now she has Won.
I have experienced all that you are talking about. I am a😊 believer in Christ Jesus and my faith in God and the trust that I have in Him, has proved that His Justice is a given for these people. I have witnessed this with my oen eyes over the years. I stand in the Truth of God and know He will tske care of them eventually.
I reserve God's right to take care of me, and He will but more thsn that He "Will" take care of thr justice. Nk contact, no engagement, no explaining, Gray Rock works well. All I have is time. I watch, wait and pray. God hears His people and He responds in His time. Reality is...they build the wrath of God against thrmselves everyday. Jystice will come!!! Thanks Jill, blessings to you and your son!!❤
Thank you! 🙏
My bestie has just discovered this in a female she's known for 30 years, because she made a nice comment in front of others, she's now gone insane on social media and she's making threats, she doesn't really know my friend to be doing this to her lol. It's ridiculous.
Thanks Jill. Your situation sounded terrible. My story was very similar. Long story.
You are talking about my sister (now deceased) turned my son against me. Her son is now poisoning him.
He tret me horribly at their lies and propaganda.
You nailed it!!
When I first met the narc. According to her... Every other person she knew was badmouthed and slated to me by her. She was literally the victim of everybody around in some way. As time went on I slowly started to realise that it was herself that she was describing. Unfortunately I only started to realise after she became pregnant. I wasnt from her area so I had nobody to speak to plus all the people she had crapped on behind my back are all her friends. They are all now her flying monkeys. I also realised that she was bad mouthing/slating and lying about me just as much as everyone else from the beginning. It is so hard to think about all the things she has done. There are so many. It has been around 10 years of no contact. But she will re connect with me just to re- write history involving all her flying monkeys names as if they are her witnesses. When I explain the true occurences I get called a lier. When I show evidence Im suddenly pathetic, a narcissist and im trying to cause trouble and stuck in the past. She tells me the most disgusting stories about myself as if she is actually telling the truth. But tells me to delete my evidence because if her flying monkeys find out the truth it will ofcourse be my fault that they will all go after her.
Never ending cycle.
Sounds really familiar. If your kids an adult. Do not ever communicate with her again. I have 10 more years. Good luck!
I am so thankful these greedy, selfish women are being exposed for what they really are. I hope that our generation can put a stop to some of this nonsense. I don't believe they are really getting it in church. They need to listen instead of dump their lies when they go. But it won't do any good because to me, they know what they do and they can never hide another innocent persons pain.
Hi, my name is Colin, which I call myself simple
This podcast you’ve just posted or made
That’s what I am going through for years, but it was with my neighbor that lived above me. I am stuck and I don’t know what to do. I’m crying out or else.
My Sociopathic soon to be ex wife learned mirroring by buying 3 books: Living with a husband with Asperger’s Syndrome. I do not have AS lol. There are sections in the book regarding mirroring.
EXCELLENT!
My coworker can be president of this sick society. Supervisor even warned to “protect yourself” in general terms when dealing with some people ---I knew, at that time, he knew the monster on his team. Disaster for HR I’m sure
It’s like you have met a former friend of mine and know her as well
Female narcissists are something different. My evil aunt destroyed my family of origin. She's elderly now, but still pays someone to track me on social media.
My mother destroyed her own two children to protect what she really is from public view. Nothing matters more to her than what people think.
👍 exactly 💯
On my birthday I got attacked by my sis then next day called shady and full in attack for having her friend come over drop off some craft I paid for , it's so bad that's almost weekly abuse.
💯correct….
Very accurate, so what is your opinion on how they become this way? Brain damage?
No, there’s a genetic predisposition to the disorder, a genetic link, that is triggered in childhood by trauma or entitlements, or some combination of both. So it’s both nature and nurture.
@@theenlightenedtarget Rebecca Zung claims brain damage from childhood abuse, neglect, or over indulgence. Dealing with what you dealt with. Family court is so stupid!
Good one Jill, I have one question, is my wife a narcissist, I am working for the past 32 years and I have not been allowed to take a penny for myself, this is just the tip of the iceberg, do you think I am right
No
I don’t know, that’s not nearly enough information to make a judgment one way or the other. However, if she controls all the money and forbids you to spend any or have access to the finances, I would consider that a form of financial abuse.
My Mother 🙄 and Grandmother
What you just give us a perfect example of a narcissistic love born proceed with caution I want to have to turn her in
Narcissistic mothers can alienate their spouses from children and other relatives just by playing victim and smearing the other person. It is continuous whining and complaining about the other person that goes on for years. The real victim here is actually the one who's being complained about. Unfortunately most people do not see through it and become fellow abusers by taking the narcissists side.
What about the oxytocin though? They are unfortunate themselves.
Sounds like two women I once knew !cut one out of my life and the other one is on her way!!!😂
… as a German Biologist -
Impulse Control
With intense Endurance and Inner Strength Training
I repel the Predators with my Firewall and No trespassing
Weakness attracts all sorts of Predators and Cannibals
My ex would commune every Sunday. Meanwhile...
I have saved every message every public post not recent ones though. Would you be willing to look through them? Because I honestly believe that this sounds EXACTLY like a former friend to a T. She is still playing the victim to this day
My narc wife tries to look as a devote religious studing the bible. She never do anything of bible lessons. It is a manipulation behaiovur to improve her image
My ex left me for one of these women. I believe she is about to destroy him financially. I’ve discovered she opened a CC in his name, maxed it out and hasn’t made payments for 6+ months. He seems to be unaware of it so far…. Karma will hit him soon
📒✍️
A Magic Pen…
I wish there were magic
in the ink of my pen,
magic to help me,
start over again.
But not just start over,
but also release,
those who disturbed
and disrupted my peace.
Those who will take,
and seldom will give,
who only for self,
they desire to live.
Those of the lie,
who seek to take all,
who run from the truth,
while embracing the fall.
Those with a bark
that comes with a bite,
who’s evil they hide,
masquerading as light.
Those who are twisted,
far beyond the repair,
who act at times loving,
but really don’t care.
Don’t care if you’re cut,
or how much you bleed,
who desert you the instant,
you’re in the most need.
Oh, give me a pen
that can also erase,
they’re cunning shy smile,
and malevolent face.
Married to one for 27 years getting ready to retire when I was discarded what are mask fell off
Why do they do it to people?
They are evil and it is a life force for them, they try to get people so low ass they constaintely are they are emphty shells a endless void a blackhole that destroys everything in their reach
#meetmymother
You're speaking of my cult leader sister and her cult followers, two other sisters, and a "mother" (if you can call her that.) I won't go into it but will say....my son died of cancer. During that 3 years of hell, not one of them spoke one word to me. Demon Seeds.
I’m so deeply sorry for your loss, that is heartbreaking, I’m so so sorry.
WENDI ADELSON perfect example.