Been talking about doing this with my gear and I'm glad I stumbled across this video. A lot of the commercial set-ups are bulky, get hung up on things (as you discussed), expensive and it's just one more thing that's dangling off your person. As you know, we already bring enough tools and equipment to the party (TICs, lights, small tools, etc.) and a bulky bailout system is just one of those things that could be more cumbersome than anything. This is a great idea because in the event that you actually use this in an emergency, it'll do the same thing as that $300 harness without question, it's integrated and it's cheap. I know what I'll be doing next shift. Thanks!!!
Give Thanks for the video, in my fire department have the harness built into the pants but for those who do not have insurance so it is a good solution. Greetings from Spain!
This loop harness is a standard for rescue used by climbers now for many years since flat webbing became available. Good application until built in harnesses become standard.
I've tried this several times with Janesville bunker pants, due to the way the liner velcros to the fly of the pants, it will not work without compromising the the integrity of the pant. Great idea though, Love the video's. Stay safe Brother!!
Just rigged this into my turnout gear. People are asking about length of webbing due to it being size specific. I'm 6'3" and 225lbs. I used 13.5' of webbing to make sure the loops that attach to caribiner were long enough
Great vid..Been using this method for a few years..I found it was easier to remove the liner and put the harness on then attach back to the shell.. this way the legs weren't constricted..For pennies, everyone should have SOMETHING in place for self rescue...I have this integrated with a Sterling rope system that i store in my pocket at the ready..Great vid again brother!...Be safe..
hi, great idea bros !! realy awsome i will shae this good trick with my partner from Québec state. And i have a question if i put the water knot on the front of me, is gonna be less strong or is the same duty in front than in the back ?
Could you just put the thermal barrier on like a pair of pants, make the harness over that then slide the outer shell on? I'm thinking it might be a little easier.
The leg loop straps should be captured by snaps on each side of the front entry flap of the outer and inner shells of your pants - This is what helps to prevent the leg loops from dropping down. Take a look at this video for how a carabiner can help with this, including how it can assist with attaching and integrating your system: th-cam.com/video/khUYGdmExHA/w-d-xo.html
@@DALEGPEKEL I am having problems with the straps dropping down the back of my left in-between the liner and outer shell causing it to get tight when downing and making it hard to downing
@@shawndoty1522 Without seeing the problem first hand it's hard for me to troubleshoot - It sounds like your harness might to too big. If you can pull out the loops of the A frame infront more than 4 inches on each side you should shorten the harness.
Amazing video just put it into in my gear works amazing and many guys in my department are jealous. If at all posible a video of this harness being used in action ie, bailout video, would really be nice and I was looking for the best way to make this a full system that can be instantly deployed. Thanks again for the great videos you post. Train like you life depends on it, because it does!
I'm currently running a similar set up, but with a swiss seat and I run with the bail out kit reconnected. Any reason why you aren't trying the swiss seat? Have you run into any problems with it? I'm just trying to figure out the most comfortable and reliable set up. Thank you for all your time and effort you put into these vids! Great work.
Thanks for your comments Mike! - As far as the integrated harness I use - It's just what I prefer and it's worked very well so I haven't seen a need to try or experiment with other variations of seat harnesses or swiss seats. I actually use a Cobra Belt integrated into the belt loops of the turnout pants on my career FD and the integrated seat harness in the pants of my gear on my volley FD - Both sets of gear are made by Morning Pride/Honeywell, but they're different styles/models and that's why I have the different belts/harnesses, but the same style VRS.
Impressed by this system and am going to install it into my pants tomorrow morning at beginning of day. One question I have is how much does/would this system interfere with or ride up SCBA once its loaded. (i know, at the moment you have to use it, who really gives a flying fack)
Considering there are also two belt options, couldn’t one just use an appropriately sized loop of webbing secured together with a carabiner through the belt loops? I would imagine if fitted to the same tolerance as the belt it would work fine in a self rescue situation.
where can you buy the honeywell harness at I am going to make one of the webbicng harness for my nack up gear but have to have a real one for my primary set
What harness do u recommend that is commercially made? Do you recommend escape belts? I'm between Yates belt, gut belt, or gemtor harness. Definitely want kevlar. Any recommendations are appreciated
Would it be easier to just leave the carabiner attached to both loops at all times? Or does that interfere with putting your pants on? I am about to be bumped to a downtown company which contains the most highrise buildings in my city. Using your videos I am putting together a bail out kit. How long would you recommend my rescue rope be?
Hey Dale, I have 24 foot of rope to put in my gear and I have been debating on how I want to store it in my gear. What's the best way you recommend to keep it in there? I would of course have a carabiner on it also. thanks!
Is not because we cannot use webbing as demonstrated in this video. Yes, by all means we can. Problem will arise when someone fails to escape and his FD will be "crucified" on matters such as: "Who authorized the use of this webbing?" As we all know that no one will be "promoted" if this "home made" harness saves life. I personally made one from vehicle safety belt. Is wider and also strong enough to hold my weight. I don't "advertise" that I have that harness, but I'll use it by all means.
Kevlar Tubular Webbing from Offray Specialty Narrow Fabrics (osnf.com, item# 2278) Less then one U.S. dollar/foot, minimum order 25 yards. Great alternative than paying high-dollar for a harness...especially when your department doesn't have the funds to supply you with one. Thanks DALE
NFPA 1983: Standard on Life Safety Rope and Equipment for Emergency Services definitely doesn't cover this "innovation". NFPA 1500: Standard on Fire Department Occupational Safety and Health Program specifies the use of clothing and equipment, meeting definite mission requirements in fire service areas. Modifying turnout (bunker) gear by all means is a big NO, NO. I think embedded harness is something that industry needs to adopt and phase out any "legacy" options. A sooner is better.
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This is still awesome!!
I did this to my gear today. I hope it stays comfortable, because I really like the idea.
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Been talking about doing this with my gear and I'm glad I stumbled across this video. A lot of the commercial set-ups are bulky, get hung up on things (as you discussed), expensive and it's just one more thing that's dangling off your person. As you know, we already bring enough tools and equipment to the party (TICs, lights, small tools, etc.) and a bulky bailout system is just one of those things that could be more cumbersome than anything. This is a great idea because in the event that you actually use this in an emergency, it'll do the same thing as that $300 harness without question, it's integrated and it's cheap. I know what I'll be doing next shift. Thanks!!!
Give Thanks for the video, in my fire department have the harness built into the pants but for those who do not have insurance so it is a good solution.
Greetings from Spain!
this is awesome, im buying some webbing tomorrow
This loop harness is a standard for rescue used by climbers now for many years since flat webbing became available. Good application until built in harnesses become standard.
Great Video! After watching the video I put one I'm my gear and it works great!
excellent just excellent
I've tried this several times with Janesville bunker pants, due to the way the liner velcros to the fly of the pants, it will not work without compromising the the integrity of the pant. Great idea though, Love the video's. Stay safe Brother!!
Just rigged this into my turnout gear. People are asking about length of webbing due to it being size specific. I'm 6'3" and 225lbs. I used 13.5' of webbing to make sure the loops that attach to caribiner were long enough
good idea. Thank for video!
It's 8MM. And I really don't have anything in mind specifically, I'd like to keep it for multiple uses.
I always come back to this video if I wash my gear and take the webbing out. God help me if this video even gets taken down lol
Thanks for re-posting!
"something is better than nothing"
Thanks for the repost.. Kinda like the new video a little better.. Keep em coming..
Great vid..Been using this method for a few years..I found it was easier to remove the liner and put the harness on then attach back to the shell.. this way the legs weren't constricted..For pennies, everyone should have SOMETHING in place for self rescue...I have this integrated with a Sterling rope system that i store in my pocket at the ready..Great vid again brother!...Be safe..
Ok. Thank you. Great video!
Great info - thanks!
hi, great idea bros !! realy awsome i will shae this good trick with my partner from Québec state. And i have a question if i put the water knot on the front of me, is gonna be less strong or is the same duty in front than in the back ?
really good idea
Awesome, thanks for the idea !
good
Could you just put the thermal barrier on like a pair of pants, make the harness over that then slide the outer shell on? I'm thinking it might be a little easier.
How do you keep the leg straps from following down in bunker gear
The leg loop straps should be captured by snaps on each side of the front entry flap of the outer and inner shells of your pants - This is what helps to prevent the leg loops from dropping down. Take a look at this video for how a carabiner can help with this, including how it can assist with attaching and integrating your system: th-cam.com/video/khUYGdmExHA/w-d-xo.html
@@DALEGPEKEL I am having problems with the straps dropping down the back of my left in-between the liner and outer shell causing it to get tight when downing and making it hard to downing
@@shawndoty1522 Without seeing the problem first hand it's hard for me to troubleshoot - It sounds like your harness might to too big. If you can pull out the loops of the A frame infront more than 4 inches on each side you should shorten the harness.
@@DALEGPEKEL ok thanks I will try to shorten it
ive been thinking of doin this for a few yrs now, but wasn't quite sure how to go about it tho.. great vid.. thanks.. Bufffalo NY.
Awesome. I'm definitely going to try that with my gear. Thanks, Dale!
Amazing video just put it into in my gear works amazing and many guys in my department are jealous. If at all posible a video of this harness being used in action ie, bailout video, would really be nice and I was looking for the best way to make this a full system that can be instantly deployed. Thanks again for the great videos you post. Train like you life depends on it, because it does!
Thank you Dale, this is what I was looking for!
I'm currently running a similar set up, but with a swiss seat and I run with the bail out kit reconnected. Any reason why you aren't trying the swiss seat? Have you run into any problems with it? I'm just trying to figure out the most comfortable and reliable set up. Thank you for all your time and effort you put into these vids! Great work.
Thanks for your comments Mike! - As far as the integrated harness I use - It's just what I prefer and it's worked very well so I haven't seen a need to try or experiment with other variations of seat harnesses or swiss seats. I actually use a Cobra Belt integrated into the belt loops of the turnout pants on my career FD and the integrated seat harness in the pants of my gear on my volley FD - Both sets of gear are made by Morning Pride/Honeywell, but they're different styles/models and that's why I have the different belts/harnesses, but the same style VRS.
Thank you I was going to work on a system like this and you have already done it!!!! Amazing 😁
Impressed by this system and am going to install it into my pants tomorrow morning at beginning of day. One question I have is how much does/would this system interfere with or ride up SCBA once its loaded. (i know, at the moment you have to use it, who really gives a flying fack)
Great vid Brother. Gonna share with the guys after they see mine.
Thanks for the feedback!
Considering there are also two belt options, couldn’t one just use an appropriately sized loop of webbing secured together with a carabiner through the belt loops? I would imagine if fitted to the same tolerance as the belt it would work fine in a self rescue situation.
I'm amazed at how much I'm learning from these videos! Thank you for sharing all this good information!
Nice ideia! Thanks for this video! Congratulations from Sao Paulo Firefighter´s - Brazil
where can you buy the honeywell harness at I am going to make one of the webbicng harness for my nack up gear but have to have a real one for my primary set
This is very helpful!
What harness do u recommend that is commercially made? Do you recommend escape belts? I'm between Yates belt, gut belt, or gemtor harness. Definitely want kevlar. Any recommendations are appreciated
Would it be easier to just leave the carabiner attached to both loops at all times? Or does that interfere with putting your pants on? I am about to be bumped to a downtown company which contains the most highrise buildings in my city. Using your videos I am putting together a bail out kit. How long would you recommend my rescue rope be?
Can you make it out of rope or 2" webbing
A tip of the helmet to you sir! Great video!
Hey Dale, I have 24 foot of rope to put in my gear and I have been debating on how I want to store it in my gear. What's the best way you recommend to keep it in there? I would of course have a carabiner on it also. thanks!
Any updates to this video?
Dale does the harness pull any of your snaps loose when it pulls tight?
How long should you tape to make this harness?
how much feet of webbing did you use?
I found a video where he answers this very question.
It's up ^^^here^^^
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hey, how long have you had those suspenders? i can not find them anywhere (with the rings) mine are shot...let me know
Exelent dale!!!! Regards from valdivia chili
Is not because we cannot use webbing as demonstrated in this video. Yes, by all means we can. Problem will arise when someone fails to escape and his FD will be "crucified" on matters such as: "Who authorized the use of this webbing?" As we all know that no one will be "promoted" if this "home made" harness saves life. I personally made one from vehicle safety belt. Is wider and also strong enough to hold my weight. I don't "advertise" that I have that harness, but I'll use it by all means.
Kevlar Tubular Webbing from Offray Specialty Narrow Fabrics (osnf.com, item# 2278) Less then one U.S. dollar/foot, minimum order 25 yards. Great alternative than paying high-dollar for a harness...especially when your department doesn't have the funds to supply you with one. Thanks DALE
NFPA 1983: Standard on Life Safety Rope and Equipment for Emergency Services definitely doesn't cover this "innovation". NFPA 1500: Standard on Fire Department Occupational Safety and Health Program specifies the use of clothing and equipment, meeting definite mission requirements in fire service areas. Modifying turnout (bunker) gear by all means is a big NO, NO. I think embedded harness is something that industry needs to adopt and phase out any "legacy" options. A sooner is better.