@@NinjaWormy That’s because if they made he too overpowered then the show would be boring. It’s what they do in the comics too. Realistically the Flash could be anyone but he doesn’t.
Still wild to me she heard Thawne and wasn't instantly shut up. She really got mad about a daughter from the future, that if time travel was accurate wouldn't even exist
Yes she would because the future is always predetermined and theirs always multiple outcomes and possibilities so therefore eveey future is possible and therefore accessible through the means of speed force time travel
I thought she didn't end up existing. Like from a yt short I saw the Nora that they ended up with wasn't really a 1 to 1 kinda in the same way all the wells were different though maybe not to that extreme.
@Smokey Sparta wouldn't say predetermined future changes all the time in DC and marvel comics, movies and shows but she likely would exist somehow them knowing she will exist doesn't effect anything except maybe her experiences
Worse take, can't believe so many agree. leaving Nora in the future alone is what led to Nora having no one but Thawne, which led her desperate and willing to use the Negative speed force, being more easily manipulated by thawne. (there's also the fact Barry gets some sort of help from Thawne or a version of Thawne atleast once every 2 seasons. the Thawne in question was incarcerated for years, not to say that's reason to believe he's harmless, but to say that's reason for anyone to consider the possibilities and not jump-the-gun on such a decision. ) Ik CW has terrible logic and writing 80% of the time, but c'mon, don't be an echo chamber of horrible takes.
That’s around the time I stopped watching the show when the “we are the flash” bs started happening. Like no, Barry is the flash. He’s the one wearing the suit not you
for the longest time, i thought i was the only one who was bothered by that line. like i know the show wanted iris to have a stronger role in the story, but taking credit for your husband's work is not the way to go ma'am
For real, its like, what the fuck did you do? Maybe Cisco and Caitlyn can say that. Hell, even your dad could say that. They've all helped Barry in his times of need. They've been there for him every step of the way, gave him info he desperately needed, and yelled encouragement for him to run. You? You tore him down, emotionally manipulated him, and constantly made him feel like the badguy for making rash decisions when he's being emotionally tortured by a man he knows little to nothing about. You don't get that right!
Literally stopped watching the show after that season, was so fucking bored of watching a mid ass character get a whole side story that is also fucking mid
There's a youtuber who literally reacted to all of Iris's worst moments, and tried to sympathize with her. He straight up couldn't, he literally says"I hope you realize, that if he didn't go into the speed force you would've died."
Exact same energy, I swear to god. This shit pisses me off. With all of the problems that this show has in the later seasons, Iris is one of the worst.
@@thenexus7343 He was gonna fight Sasuke regardless, also at the end of the series , she was about to betray the entire Shinobi world for a guy who had no feelings for her. The only reason Sasuke even ended up with her was because he got gaslit by Kakashi LMAO
@@lucklesslackeyOk, for one, she did that to try and kill Sasuke. Remember the poison kunai? Secondly, You clearly haven't read the stories from the light novels. It wasn't just instant for Sasuke, it was a gradual thing. I have to call this out because I know no one else will and hopefully someone with more knowledge and understanding of the events after the manga can come in and correct me.
@@JanizMakudomaru bro, I doubt that 90% of anime and manga fans knew that there was a light novel version, and even more would not try reading it when they do find out.
Nah the moment the that pissed me off the most is when joe got pissed off at Barry and iris for wanting thawn to die like bro this is the same guy that killed his mother and had his dad sent to prison for her, the same reason why your former colleague who was your daughter's fiance to shoot himself to save you a lot, the same man who manipulated and is a reason why your future granddaughter was erased from time and after you let him live surprise fucking surprise he gets his powers back becomes stronger and damn near destroyed the city and even after all of that you still let him live. Jesus fucking christ I lose brain just thinking about it.
That scene pisses me off to an ungodly amount. Like did Joe miss the part where thawn pushed him in front of a train then dress up as the flash to terrorise the city. I was literally like "no fuck that guy let him die"
I was just thinking about that , but fam lets not forget to mention the amount of therapy team flash (let alone the entire city, police included)needs coz of the fact he started the whole meta human problem in the first place , then there was that time he teamed up with nazis to steal supergirls heart ( a close friend to them)
Honestly the no killing rule quickly loses any and all value when you have a guy like that. And having a character take a position of "how dare you even consider it" is 100x worse like bro even if your morals don't let you kill but let a killer who can destroy the universe multiple times over go, why are you angry at valid grudges. Flash writters just all over the place
@@SomeOne-ok1bx can’t forget the OG, Lana Lang from Smallville, for . . . what felt like her every second of screen time, but I’m probably misremembering.
@@prastarkeepers 7 seasons of her, didn't hate it, but it's basically overused Clark at least never folded whenever they disagreed whether wrong or right, they was room for actual development in their relationship most of the time Iris and Felicity hust don't give af and think they're always right
@@prastarkeepersI hated her so much by the end because of that. It’s like she never brought a single moment of long running happiness to Clark just tragedy one after the other💀
This apathy to Barry’s reasoning/desire, even after having it thrown at her face, is proof that the Iris who lied to her daughter and hid her powers from her isn’t the result of her sanity slipping after losing Barry in the Bad Future, she’s always existed in some form
The scene in Game of Thrones where Jamie says ‘I never much cared for them, innocent or otherwise’ that sentence completely destroyed his whole character arc
My moment would have to be amber saying she knew mark was invincible all along and being mad at him for not telling her. Like why did you start the breakup fight about him ditching you at the college if you knew he didn't ditch you, and how entitled are you to think he has to tell you his secret when you have been dating for maybe a few months at most.
Almost as bad as in Arrow when Felicity broke up with Oliver after finding out about his kidnapped son, AFTER Oliver had to send the kid and his mother away somewhere to keep them safe, and you could clearly see how distraught he was at the time after doing so. She got pissed at him because he "left her out of the decision." Like, WHAT THE FUDGE, LADY! I understand it's pretty shocking news, but there's a time and a place for this!
It seems like the CW loves to give the ladies more power than they deserve. Like damn they really got superheroes out here listening to people with .5 percent brain cells in their skulls
This is what made me give up on arrow lmao, it just became the Princess Felicity show where she is just an awful character who gets away with everything and can do whatever she wants with no consequences.
That whole season gave me permanent eye roll. Heard season eight was better but Joe's while emotional outburst with tears in his eyes about saving Thawn gave me flashbacks.
My “worst tv moment” is this quote from Riverdale - Archie: If we weren't here, we'd be in high school joining clubs, trying out for sports. Ghoulie: Not me. I dropped out in the fourth grade to run drugs to support my Nana. Archie: That means you haven't known the triumphs and defeats, the epic highs and lows of high school football.
Reminds me of the scene from invincible where amber gets mad at Mark for not trusting her with his SECRET IDENTITY and then gets mad at him for running away at the college when she said she already knew he was invincible for a couple of weeks at that point meaning she knew he didn't run away and that he was the one fighting the cyborg at the college on top of that she even considered cheating on Mark during the time that she knew he was invincible, and the cherry on top of this shit cake is when both his friends side with amber and say that Mark was in the wrong, still can't believe he got back together with her Edit: 69 replies nice👌, also thank you the likes I appreciate it to the fullest 😊
Don't even get me started on that bitch like do you really expect someone you've dated for about 4 months to tell their secret identity like shit he's ready risking it just by being close to you
Now THAT scene is far worse than this or anything in recent years. We officially hated that bih with a passion, and it was justified. Can't wait for season 2.💪🏿
I had to watch this twice cause YOU’RE CORRECT!!! IRIS PISSED ME OFF WITH THAT BS STATEMENT LIKE SHE WOULDN’T DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF SHE WAS IN HIS SHOES! SHE HAS HER FATHER AND DECIDED NOT TO GET TO KNOW HER MOTHER YET HAS THE NEERRRRRRRVE TO SAY SOME SHIT LIKE THAT
My moment was in Arrow when Everyone tried to make Laurel the bad guy after Oliver and her sister cheated on her again as soon as the sister came back into the picture. Oliver did this shit already before the island incident. Laurel had moved on and was with someone, engaged! What did Oliver do? Play with her emotions, get between her and her new guy, then sleep with her. This probably made her think they had a chance again. He didn’t even seem all that torn up or sad when she died. Laurel deserved better.
Joe better be a contender for number 2 after her because he's looking crazy wanting to save Thawne. The same man whose life goal is to make Barry, his son, suffer.
I think what saves Joe is that otherwise he is a very sweet character. It sucks that they made him act like that but I still love Joe just cause you can tell his actor cares and he is a very sweet man in the show
There was a similar moment in Arrow like this with Felicity and Oliver where Oliver decided not to let her decide what he should do what his kid with his ex .it was because correct me if I'm wrong but he and every one in the city died his own son died and Barry had to go back in time and fix it it was most likely told to him by Barry that everyone died so understandably Oliver thought because he was close to his son he caused his son to die so he decided with his ex that it went for the safety of his son he would send them elsewhere and Felicity she wasn't even married to this guy and she wanted parental rights to the kid that wasn't even hers and because of that she broke up with him right immediately after getting her legs back and somehow Oliver's in the wrong for what!!! it's his kid not yours!!! You're not married you're someone dating him was bit iffy on that part they were dating but they weren't dating this is the type of stuff in the CW that made me hate the later seasons and Felicity became my most hated character in all of it but now I have a close second apparently Iris was horrible and I never knew because I ended at season 3 finale cuz it had a good ending
It gets worse when u realize before Barry even time traveled Oliver only had a couple hours to process the fact that he had a son yet felicity got mad for him not immediately telling her Then you have the other parts where Oliver decides to keep his son a secret because his sons mother didn’t want anyone to know or she wouldn’t let Oliver meet him and she’s mad he didn’t tell her like that’s not your kid nor your secret to know Oliver just wants to know his kid Then the last part I think they were married at that point but either way Oliver had decided to let William and his mother go away because it’s too dangerous being around him which is true and she gets mad cause she wasn’t included like you said that wasn’t her son neither was it her decision to make or be involved with so she had no reason to be mad
Pell's "sacrifice" in One Piece. legitimately the worst writing decision Oda made in the entirety of One Piece. if Pell had stayed dead the entire Alabasta arc would have held sooo much more weight. the fact that Pell miraculously survived a bomb meant to level an entire country instantly made the concept of death in One Piece meaningless, and made a lot of people write it off completely. it sucks!
Most of the adventure time episode fire and ice. It was necessary in the long run but it was hard to watch Finn making stupid decisions over a wet dream There’s a scene in Miraculous where the main character sniffs, confesses her love to and attempts to kiss what she thinks is a statue of her crush, who was just pretending to be one to prank her. I want to forget that
Not to mention Jake insisting Finn try to and finish the dream. It's possible Finn would've still done what he did, but I like to think if Jake hadn't made the owl out to be a big deal, things might've been fine
Wait what happened in fire and ice again? Also yeah I love miraculous as a concept but the execution by the creator is not good, she's very much a stalker and if adrien knew that he would probably freak the fuck out, as anyone reasonable would
@@lordlyka68 from what I remember, the episode starts off with Finn and Flame Princess having a good time when the Ice King shows up and picks a fight, FP kicks his ass which sparks a dream later featuring a creature called The Cosmic Owl, and when Finn relays this to Jake, Jake tells him he needs to complete the dream, saying that any dream the Cosmic Owl appears in must be important. In order to make the dream happen again, Finn starts to instigate fights with the Ice King and FP, to a really horrible degree, and even seems to enjoy the dreams he has, which is why people equate it to a wet dream. In the end, Finn's manipulations are caught onto and outed and FP leaves him, which is what the dream was predicting the whole time. It felt so horribly out of character for Finn when I watched it years back and broke down a relationship I enjoyed and was pretty invested in, so I'm with everyone else when I say "fuck this episode"
I felt the same way in another show where pretty much two characters were working with the bad guy to kill the main character. At the last second one of the two actually warned him but the fact that they went behind his back in the first place made him banish the two but every other supporting character gave him s**t for making a very justified choice.
Iris my god I remember this episode and I was like how did she forget that thawne who's sole purpose in life is to make Barry life a living hell and our daughter my own flesh and blood was working for him how am to trust her and I also blame future iris cause she never told Nora about thawne its when she and Barry went back in time and Barry told her that thawne killed her grandma and has been a menace to him all his life and she forgot that Barry had to going into the speed force to you know make sure world wasn't destroyed its not like she doesn't know she married to a superhero who job is to you know sacrifice there life should that be only option she knew what she signed up for when she said yes
You know a show is horribly written when a superheroes love interest knows full well they're a superhero and still blows up at them over a pretty small matters compared to world ending threats. *Cough* Invincible animated series *Cough* Fuck Animated Amber *Cough*
@@JoshtheOverlander God in the actually comic she was cool about it when he told her that he was a superhero but tv Amber reaction is worst thing i have ever seen i can see in the near future she going be probably the most hated character on that show
I like that Wanda was a bad guy in that show who had to go through a character arc and sacrifice the thing she wanted most (I still think her best moment by far is in Infinity War, where she's holding back Thanos while having an emotional breakdown while having to kill Vision, the look she gives when that fails and she dissolves away and accepts her fate gives me chills). But she was a bad guy who terrifyingly imprisoned and enslaved hundreds of people. The show let her off the hook way way way too easy for that. And that line from that chick was so so so stupid. If a male character did that, you better bet Disney would be potraying him in a different more monstrous light.
@@Royal420Way Even though her kids were fake and not real? You’re ok with prioritizing fake children over the lives of real people? She also didn’t just imprison real people, she imprisoned real children in their rooms as well.
Did she REALLY?? Bro, no, you do not get to make that claim if you have no goddamn superpowers!! You know what does earn that right? When Clair, Toby, and the others in Tales of Arcadia remind Jim that they're the Troll*hunters*. Because 1. Clair and Toby have cool magic weapons and have learned how to use them and have contributed significantly to the group's efforts and 2. Jim himself was the one who initially decided to share the title because he knew he wouldn't have survived his mantle alone
@@JoshtheOverlander she really fucking did say that shit. That was the exact moment I dropped the show 😂 She was like you're not the flash alone......we are the flash. I was sitting there alright bitch next time a threat shows up you can March your ass out there and see how far you get. Soon as she said that if I was Barry I would have been GONE
At this point I won’t be surprised if she was secretly a villain this whole entire time, cause these writers are seriously doing everything to set her up as that.
Yeaah That bugged the hell out of me. Thawne has killed SO many people. And its not like they're killing him. They are just letting Him die for his own damn mistake. And. Remember when Wells 2 Walked in and he IMMEDIATELY tried to smoke his ass?
I'm beginning to notice a pattern in recent super hero flicks where the romantic partner of the hero is on a pestle and if the hero doesn't always put them first- even before countless lives- they're the bad guy. Meanwhile when the villain kills thousands for a singular person it's bad, unless they're romantically interested in the person then its suddenly okay.
@@hoodiek6802 It's pretty simple really, get Mark with some random unimportant character, make her a bitch, who makes his life miserable, set up a much better love interest on the way and after sometime when they finally get together they will be a perfect couple and everyone will be happy and satisfied with it
@@AryanSingh-yy9mw If that was their intention. I hope they make it clear in the next season. I mean, based on the comics they don't really stay together. But I really couldn't fathom Mark's best friend siding with Amber either.
the comics are better than the show. fuck the show. It imo doesn't need a show or movie. The comics tell one big story with a complete and definitive beginning, middle, and end.
Another worst moment in the arrowverse was when J’Jonn said that Supergirl wasn’t ready and Alex decided to respond with. “Why because she a girl.” Almost made me wanted to quit but I wanted to see Superman.
Nah that actually made me mad. Like hey bring cat called, seen as less in your job because your a women, and the other things she stated suck, but like it’s BRUCE we’re talking about. Getting cat called and whatever else she said is not on the same level as even a fourth of what Bruce wen through
She-Hulk: "I can control my anger INFINITELY MORE than you! My life is on the line when I'm catcalled!" Bruce Banner who witnessed his father murder his mother, took lethal doses of radiation to save someone, has been chased by the US Military and treated like government property, has fought monsters, fought a universal threat, and can't be intimate with any lover without changing into the other guy: 🙃
@@TriTomMaximum his dad was also abusive to him and his mother for several years before she was murdered which is what caused him to develop the “other guy” in the first placw
I 100% agree with that like it was such a terrible argument with flash having the right side infact I have to ask if iris were in his shoes would she have done the same
I've been rewatching the Flash with my fiance and her brother and since pretty much the second episode of season 1, we've had so many moments where we yell shut up Iris and stuff like that. We even have night where we take shots every time she says, does, or act stupid. Love the show hate how they write iris some times
Halloween Ends. when Laurie is leaving the store smiling, some random woman starts berating her for the condition one of Michaels victims are in. There is literally no reason for this conflict.
They just couldn’t let him be the flash on his own. It had to be a team. I bet if iris were the one with powers there would be no “we are flash”. I’m sick of this woke sh!t
Video 22 of my fight request. Thank you for your time ClassicMan D. One of these has to make it, one day! Who would win in a fight and why?: Marco Diaz (Svtfoe) vs. Ezio Auditorie (ACII and Brotherhood exclude Revelations and the movie).
Comic book media has a big issue with writers thinking there isn’t enough conflict in the story atm, then deciding to write people WAY out of character to spark petty conflict.
I’m rewatching The Flash in preparation of the final season. I’m just about to get this part, like an episode or two away so this is a huge coincidence.
As a person that is petty and has an overprotective mother I laughed so hard because I understood exactly what she was saying. translation: "Oh so now that OUR daughter finally loves ME you send her ass back to the future? Your greedy ass has been soakin up all the adoration and praise she gave you but once it’s my turn all of a sudden Nora's the bad guy and she has to leave. Couldn't you wait till after she told me she loved me? You know what, BARTHOLOMEW, you are so selfish." lmao 🤣 🤣
Its frustrates me when writers be coming up with whatever to create tension between 2 characters, often love interest, then they have to comw up with illogical excuses why they mad.
The Flash was a good TV show. It really was. But it really went downhill after Barry's daughter Nora was introduced. Like. The show just became a pep talk. I remember Oliver Queen telling, "I don't think you can go more than 9 hours without some sappy motivational speech" Like. That's what it was. A crapfest of motivational speech to get Barry to run fast. And boom. The next season, there was someone faster. And we'd have to listen to the sappy speeches again.
Yeah that was probably when people began to really hate Iris. She took shots at Barry that she knew would hurt him. I know Iris was trying to improve her relationship with Nora to make up for their toxic relationship in the future, and Barry was cutting that short, But there was no need for that.
"It was me Barry. I made u fall in love with Iris so that she can ruin your life while I'm not here"
- Thong probably
Thawne watching Barry go through various relationships before finally settling on the worse one for him
@@xaiverbres7335 Patty was the one for him
It’s Thawne with an E
"Thong" 💀
She gaslighted so fast not even the Flash could dodge that one
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That's not that high of a bar. He fails to dodge basic attacks that literally every other flash cam dodge
@@NinjaWormy That’s because if they made he too overpowered then the show would be boring. It’s what they do in the comics too. Realistically the Flash could be anyone but he doesn’t.
@@willhickman6650 nah, they make him fail to dodge attacks that aren't even light speed, he should at least be able to dodge those
@@NinjaWormy Most attacks aren’t even light speed. If he dodges 99% of all attacks then there would be no danger in fighting
Bro both of them knew that Thawne hated Barry too much to let Nora lives after he was done Barry was right.
@Hans shut up
Second reply?
Waffles or pancakes?
Ngl I hated iris so much fr she would always say some dumb insensitive ass shit that would make me wanna smack tf out of her
With oj or apple juice?
Thawne: I don't need to torment you anymore Barry... You married Iris
At that point, Thawne only has to make sure Itis stays petty
I'm pretty sure that thawne probably would have manipulated the timeline so Iris did marry Barry
Still wild to me she heard Thawne and wasn't instantly shut up. She really got mad about a daughter from the future, that if time travel was accurate wouldn't even exist
Yes she would because the future is always predetermined and theirs always multiple outcomes and possibilities so therefore eveey future is possible and therefore accessible through the means of speed force time travel
I thought she didn't end up existing. Like from a yt short I saw the Nora that they ended up with wasn't really a 1 to 1 kinda in the same way all the wells were different though maybe not to that extreme.
@@YeviCoulson
She still exist, but that version of her was erased.
@Smokey Sparta wouldn't say predetermined future changes all the time in DC and marvel comics, movies and shows but she likely would exist somehow them knowing she will exist doesn't effect anything except maybe her experiences
Worse take, can't believe so many agree. leaving Nora in the future alone is what led to Nora having no one but Thawne, which led her desperate and willing to use the Negative speed force, being more easily manipulated by thawne. (there's also the fact Barry gets some sort of help from Thawne or a version of Thawne atleast once every 2 seasons. the Thawne in question was incarcerated for years, not to say that's reason to believe he's harmless, but to say that's reason for anyone to consider the possibilities and not jump-the-gun on such a decision. )
Ik CW has terrible logic and writing 80% of the time, but c'mon, don't be an echo chamber of horrible takes.
She literally said that Thawne genuinely cared for Nora... like what mental gymnastics did she have to accomplish to even begin making that claim?
Does thawne care about anyone
@@nathanbrown7906nope
@@nathanbrown7906 maybe.. himself? His pettiness to Barry, dunno the man seems to care deeply about that.
@@nathanbrown7906 he doesn't he's a petty sociopath who doesn't see people only tools and Obstacles in his path
@@TVOverlord_F_Alastor he kinda care for flash in a weird twisted way
She gave "I don't care that you broke your arm" energy with that last line
Isnt it elbow
@@Spacecowboyy69 you're right it is 😅
My memory slipped
@@FloWoodEnT123 starting a new Mandela effect out here lol, no worries bro
@@Spacecowboyy69 😂😂😂
I just imagine that part 1 Jojo YTP everytime☠️
“Was going into the speedforce and leaving me right to?!” Yes, would you rather let it consume the world? 🤣
Not to mention, the fact bro came out there mentally broken.
The “we are the flash” broke a gear somewhere in me. I reached a wtf I didn’t know I had.🤦🏾♂️
That’s around the time I stopped watching the show when the “we are the flash” bs started happening. Like no, Barry is the flash. He’s the one wearing the suit not you
for the longest time, i thought i was the only one who was bothered by that line. like i know the show wanted iris to have a stronger role in the story, but taking credit for your husband's work is not the way to go ma'am
This definitely bothered me too
I’m thinking about making a video or short on it actually that’s how triggered I was 🙃
Nice now mention another moment
At this point savitar was doing us a favor
fucking real dude
Damnit why did HR have to sacrifice himself for her.
@@glitchhoffe1293Bc the writers suck
@@TOMSLUVR well we knew that after all Iris exists in the show.
@@glitchhoffe1293 Every CW character>>>>>>>>>>>Iris
Literally any time Iris says “we’re the flash.” Like stop the cap
I'm the Flash, you on the other hand, are the Dishwasher.
@@masterfulswing1069 emotional damage
I swear that gets me so mad as well, I really miss the old seasons of the flash
For real, its like, what the fuck did you do? Maybe Cisco and Caitlyn can say that. Hell, even your dad could say that. They've all helped Barry in his times of need. They've been there for him every step of the way, gave him info he desperately needed, and yelled encouragement for him to run. You? You tore him down, emotionally manipulated him, and constantly made him feel like the badguy for making rash decisions when he's being emotionally tortured by a man he knows little to nothing about. You don't get that right!
@@scottiecurrie7927 Real talk tho, Iris' dad is the num 1 character in flash cw
She was on some chi chi logic “the world can wait!!”
Bro CHI CHI IS BETTER THAN THIS.
Nah bro, Chi Chi reasoning was way more understandable than Iris
I swear s7 iris Is even more of a fucking pain and season where she was in glass world
Literally stopped watching the show after that season, was so fucking bored of watching a mid ass character get a whole side story that is also fucking mid
@@hunterrellik1856 dw she gets saved the first episode of season 7
But ye shes a pain all versions of her were pains
The writers really butchered her character so SO BAAAADD
@@hoodiek6802 nah women just got annoying “some” especially acting out these type of scenes it’s annoying
The character of Iris in this show was one of those where you have to remember that the character and the actress are not one in the same.
There's a youtuber who literally reacted to all of Iris's worst moments, and tried to sympathize with her. He straight up couldn't, he literally says"I hope you realize, that if he didn't go into the speed force you would've died."
I would like the link to that Video please
Link pls
@@FM-hw8yv it’s KoshoReacts
Link to video m.th-cam.com/video/h6l4uCcmMy8/w-d-xo.html
@@FM-hw8yv m.th-cam.com/video/h6l4uCcmMy8/w-d-xo.html
My wife hates Iris. Whenever she says something borderline head scratch worthy I can count on a solid, *"Shut up IRIS."* , from my wife. 😂
W wife
"It was never me Barry, it was Iris!"
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When your wife is a bigger OP than the dude who jerked you off at super speed to make it look like you nutted at just a woman’s touch 😭
Exact same energy, I swear to god. This shit pisses me off. With all of the problems that this show has in the later seasons, Iris is one of the worst.
When Sakura lied to Naruto about loving him. HOLY FUCK did that send me. And the entire anime fandom lol
She Lied to protect Naruto. He even says he knows thats why she did it. And people are still mad at her.
@@thenexus7343 He was gonna fight Sasuke regardless, also at the end of the series , she was about to betray the entire Shinobi world for a guy who had no feelings for her. The only reason Sasuke even ended up with her was because he got gaslit by Kakashi LMAO
@@lucklesslackeyOk, for one, she did that to try and kill Sasuke. Remember the poison kunai? Secondly, You clearly haven't read the stories from the light novels. It wasn't just instant for Sasuke, it was a gradual thing. I have to call this out because I know no one else will and hopefully someone with more knowledge and understanding of the events after the manga can come in and correct me.
@@JanizMakudomaru bro, I doubt that 90% of anime and manga fans knew that there was a light novel version, and even more would not try reading it when they do find out.
@@thenexus7343I can't believe you're defending this smh
Nah the moment the that pissed me off the most is when joe got pissed off at Barry and iris for wanting thawn to die like bro this is the same guy that killed his mother and had his dad sent to prison for her, the same reason why your former colleague who was your daughter's fiance to shoot himself to save you a lot, the same man who manipulated and is a reason why your future granddaughter was erased from time and after you let him live surprise fucking surprise he gets his powers back becomes stronger and damn near destroyed the city and even after all of that you still let him live. Jesus fucking christ I lose brain just thinking about it.
That scene pisses me off to an ungodly amount. Like did Joe miss the part where thawn pushed him in front of a train then dress up as the flash to terrorise the city. I was literally like "no fuck that guy let him die"
I was just thinking about that , but fam lets not forget to mention the amount of therapy team flash (let alone the entire city, police included)needs coz of the fact he started the whole meta human problem in the first place , then there was that time he teamed up with nazis to steal supergirls heart ( a close friend to them)
The only reason I can think of not to kill him is that it might not stop him.
the writers needs to get a backhand for that.
Honestly the no killing rule quickly loses any and all value when you have a guy like that. And having a character take a position of "how dare you even consider it" is 100x worse like bro even if your morals don't let you kill but let a killer who can destroy the universe multiple times over go, why are you angry at valid grudges. Flash writters just all over the place
I loved the acting here to be honest. They both did great, but the writers were clearly on some of that good stuff when they wrote it😭
Ah, yes, the good ol’ CW Love Interest Syndrome. After all, if your love interest isn’t basically a minor antagonist, are you two even really in love?
I know right, they did that with Felicity in the Arrow S4.
@@SomeOne-ok1bx can’t forget the OG, Lana Lang from Smallville, for . . . what felt like her every second of screen time, but I’m probably misremembering.
@@prastarkeepers 7 seasons of her, didn't hate it, but it's basically overused
Clark at least never folded whenever they disagreed whether wrong or right, they was room for actual development in their relationship most of the time
Iris and Felicity hust don't give af and think they're always right
@@prastarkeepersI hated her so much by the end because of that. It’s like she never brought a single moment of long running happiness to Clark just tragedy one after the other💀
This apathy to Barry’s reasoning/desire, even after having it thrown at her face, is proof that the Iris who lied to her daughter and hid her powers from her isn’t the result of her sanity slipping after losing Barry in the Bad Future, she’s always existed in some form
Pre wife iris was so tuff. She went down she started to think stuff life “ we are flash”.
That was the episode is where I gave up on the series.
@@justinmcdonald2072 exact moment I dropped the series myself. Like where this we stuff you talking about?
It got so much worse.
Well Barry is the paragon of love and he def needs her but she is annoying as shit unfortunately🥲
Like bitch, I don’t see you running at the speed of light like Barry does. There is no We
The scene in Game of Thrones where Jamie says ‘I never much cared for them, innocent or otherwise’ that sentence completely destroyed his whole character arc
My moment would have to be amber saying she knew mark was invincible all along and being mad at him for not telling her. Like why did you start the breakup fight about him ditching you at the college if you knew he didn't ditch you, and how entitled are you to think he has to tell you his secret when you have been dating for maybe a few months at most.
Oh yes, another dogshit partner who does nothing but emotionally manipulate someone trying to do the right thing
They'd been together for a little over 3 months at the time.
@@GhettoJohnWick still not long enough to tell someone your secret
@@SilverSight92 that was to protect her nonetheless she could easily get killed
@@SilverSight92 exactly right.
Lmao bro , Iris getting secretly trapped in the mirror-verse for like half a year without Barry noticing, sent me😂 I had to stop watching ...
Almost as bad as in Arrow when Felicity broke up with Oliver after finding out about his kidnapped son, AFTER Oliver had to send the kid and his mother away somewhere to keep them safe, and you could clearly see how distraught he was at the time after doing so. She got pissed at him because he "left her out of the decision." Like, WHAT THE FUDGE, LADY! I understand it's pretty shocking news, but there's a time and a place for this!
But it's not even her son tho like bitch I've got not time for fairness my son life is in danger
It seems like the CW loves to give the ladies more power than they deserve. Like damn they really got superheroes out here listening to people with .5 percent brain cells in their skulls
@@darknesswave100 thats being generous
I said the same thing. Like he literally just found out he has a kid. Damn near a decade later.
This is what made me give up on arrow lmao, it just became the Princess Felicity show where she is just an awful character who gets away with everything and can do whatever she wants with no consequences.
That whole season gave me permanent eye roll. Heard season eight was better but Joe's while emotional outburst with tears in his eyes about saving Thawn gave me flashbacks.
That show got real bad real quick after season 1.
Edit: the people have spoken and the consensus is after season 4.
I agree
Season 2 was watchable and sarvitar had a good concept even thought he was poorly executed most of the time , it’s just tatters from there
No after season 4
Seasons 1, 2, & 3 were the best.
Season 4*
My “worst tv moment” is this quote from Riverdale -
Archie: If we weren't here, we'd be in high school joining clubs, trying out for sports.
Ghoulie: Not me. I dropped out in the fourth grade to run drugs to support my Nana.
Archie: That means you haven't known the triumphs and defeats, the epic highs and lows of high school football.
Reminds me of the scene from invincible where amber gets mad at Mark for not trusting her with his SECRET IDENTITY and then gets mad at him for running away at the college when she said she already knew he was invincible for a couple of weeks at that point meaning she knew he didn't run away and that he was the one fighting the cyborg at the college on top of that she even considered cheating on Mark during the time that she knew he was invincible, and the cherry on top of this shit cake is when both his friends side with amber and say that Mark was in the wrong, still can't believe he got back together with her
Edit: 69 replies nice👌, also thank you the likes I appreciate it to the fullest 😊
Don't blame amber, the writers wanted a plot twist but didn't think things through. Naruto does this alot.
Don't even get me started on that bitch like do you really expect someone you've dated for about 4 months to tell their secret identity like shit he's ready risking it just by being close to you
Now THAT scene is far worse than this or anything in recent years. We officially hated that bih with a passion, and it was justified. Can't wait for season 2.💪🏿
He WHAT?! Damn bruh, the cooch cannot be hitting that good.
@@khaledm.1476 atleast Naruto characters are still likable at the end of the day, I'd throw amber in a particle accelerator if I could
Eleven getting mad in season four and trying to use her powers at school and screaming and throwing her arms around in the school courtyard
Bruhhhhh
Fnaf jumpscare ass scene lmao
This is why patty wouldve been the better wife than iris my god
Dude i ship him more with thawne than iris. She the fucking worst!
@@pablosegura4375 thawne and barry had more chemistry ngl💀
I miss Patty she was great wifey material and Barry had way more chemistry than her then he ever did with boring Iris
or even linda. she was the most fun
😂😂😂😂
Bro was this close 🤏🏾 to calling her something bad... "You dumb...." 😂😂😂😂
I had to watch this twice cause YOU’RE CORRECT!!! IRIS PISSED ME OFF WITH THAT BS STATEMENT LIKE SHE WOULDN’T DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF SHE WAS IN HIS SHOES! SHE HAS HER FATHER AND DECIDED NOT TO GET TO KNOW HER MOTHER YET HAS THE NEERRRRRRRVE TO SAY SOME SHIT LIKE THAT
If you think about it, Iris just gaslighting Barry the entire show
Facts. I was yelling at the TV when I got to that part
Barry is the goat and they all act like when he does something they don't like he doesn't have reason he's right.
I agree but then their daughter turned evil then back to good and before that lied so they need to stop messing with time somehow
THANK YOU!!! They are great actors but sometimes the arguments in the show be so stupid.
I never thought I’d hate a love interest more than Lana Lang, but here we are
why does superhero shows have such fire characters but theres always 1-2 of the worst characters in the universe😭
Smallville?
@@ReaperXxKyeah
@@obogologo3200 yeah Iris is waaaay worse
My moment was in Arrow when Everyone tried to make Laurel the bad guy after Oliver and her sister cheated on her again as soon as the sister came back into the picture. Oliver did this shit already before the island incident. Laurel had moved on and was with someone, engaged! What did Oliver do? Play with her emotions, get between her and her new guy, then sleep with her. This probably made her think they had a chance again. He didn’t even seem all that torn up or sad when she died. Laurel deserved better.
Iris starting a fight with Barry*
"Everyone did not like that."
Notice how it’s never the other way around
@@therookie5714Barry has never started the argument. Its always been Iris.
@@thenexus7343 I know
@@thenexus7343That's the point?
She's the very definition of "I will use that venerable moment in an argent later!"...
Joe better be a contender for number 2 after her because he's looking crazy wanting to save Thawne. The same man whose life goal is to make Barry, his son, suffer.
I think what saves Joe is that otherwise he is a very sweet character. It sucks that they made him act like that but I still love Joe just cause you can tell his actor cares and he is a very sweet man in the show
Skyler singing Ted a happy birthday
There was a similar moment in Arrow like this with Felicity and Oliver where Oliver decided not to let her decide what he should do what his kid with his ex .it was because correct me if I'm wrong but he and every one in the city died his own son died and Barry had to go back in time and fix it it was most likely told to him by Barry that everyone died so understandably Oliver thought because he was close to his son he caused his son to die so he decided with his ex that it went for the safety of his son he would send them elsewhere and Felicity she wasn't even married to this guy and she wanted parental rights to the kid that wasn't even hers and because of that she broke up with him right immediately after getting her legs back and somehow Oliver's in the wrong for what!!! it's his kid not yours!!! You're not married you're someone dating him was bit iffy on that part they were dating but they weren't dating this is the type of stuff in the CW that made me hate the later seasons and Felicity became my most hated character in all of it but now I have a close second apparently Iris was horrible and I never knew because I ended at season 3 finale cuz it had a good ending
It gets worse when u realize before Barry even time traveled Oliver only had a couple hours to process the fact that he had a son yet felicity got mad for him not immediately telling her
Then you have the other parts where Oliver decides to keep his son a secret because his sons mother didn’t want anyone to know or she wouldn’t let Oliver meet him and she’s mad he didn’t tell her like that’s not your kid nor your secret to know Oliver just wants to know his kid
Then the last part I think they were married at that point but either way Oliver had decided to let William and his mother go away because it’s too dangerous being around him which is true and she gets mad cause she wasn’t included like you said that wasn’t her son neither was it her decision to make or be involved with so she had no reason to be mad
Pell's "sacrifice" in One Piece. legitimately the worst writing decision Oda made in the entirety of One Piece. if Pell had stayed dead the entire Alabasta arc would have held sooo much more weight. the fact that Pell miraculously survived a bomb meant to level an entire country instantly made the concept of death in One Piece meaningless, and made a lot of people write it off completely. it sucks!
This giving me some she hulk “I can control my anger better than you” moment
Well. To be fair....She CAN. xd it took bruce How long to learn to control her anger? She did It immediately. So she wasn't wrong about that.
@@thenexus7343 she literally goes into hulk mode the second some people catcall her..
@@thenexus7343 Guess you could say she's 'privileged' with not having to go through the same shit he did.
@@DarkFuma well I mean, is that her fault that she had a normal childhood?
@@AryanSingh-yy9mw you literally have no argument for her being a shitty character
Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one who felt like this about the entire argument scene!
Most of the adventure time episode fire and ice. It was necessary in the long run but it was hard to watch Finn making stupid decisions over a wet dream
There’s a scene in Miraculous where the main character sniffs, confesses her love to and attempts to kiss what she thinks is a statue of her crush, who was just pretending to be one to prank her. I want to forget that
Not to mention Jake insisting Finn try to and finish the dream. It's possible Finn would've still done what he did, but I like to think if Jake hadn't made the owl out to be a big deal, things might've been fine
I honestly want to forget half of the obsessed crush girl from Miraculous you're talking about.
I know her name, it just doesn't need to be said.
Wait what happened in fire and ice again? Also yeah I love miraculous as a concept but the execution by the creator is not good, she's very much a stalker and if adrien knew that he would probably freak the fuck out, as anyone reasonable would
@@lordlyka68 from what I remember, the episode starts off with Finn and Flame Princess having a good time when the Ice King shows up and picks a fight, FP kicks his ass which sparks a dream later featuring a creature called The Cosmic Owl, and when Finn relays this to Jake, Jake tells him he needs to complete the dream, saying that any dream the Cosmic Owl appears in must be important.
In order to make the dream happen again, Finn starts to instigate fights with the Ice King and FP, to a really horrible degree, and even seems to enjoy the dreams he has, which is why people equate it to a wet dream.
In the end, Finn's manipulations are caught onto and outed and FP leaves him, which is what the dream was predicting the whole time. It felt so horribly out of character for Finn when I watched it years back and broke down a relationship I enjoyed and was pretty invested in, so I'm with everyone else when I say "fuck this episode"
@@JoshtheOverlander doesn’t help he took no responsibility for it. He didn’t do it but he really made it sound like it was important
Barry: SHE WORKED WITH THAWNE
Iris: wellllll.....thawne isnt that baaaaad
I felt the same way in another show where pretty much two characters were working with the bad guy to kill the main character. At the last second one of the two actually warned him but the fact that they went behind his back in the first place made him banish the two but every other supporting character gave him s**t for making a very justified choice.
What's the name of the show?
@@martinjahim8665 daybreak
This got recommended to me out of the blue so it took like halfway through it before I even realized what show this is supposed to be lol
Is this a reupload? Because it's criminally underrated
Lots of male characters have done worse. So what that Iris was irrational over her own daughter. She was acting like a typical woman
@@suezcontours6653 so you are saying a typical women says dumb shit?
@@mjay2160 Men too
These DC relationships be having me questioning my everything. Every single series has triggered that "WTF is dis pple saying?" in me more than 1s
Iris my god I remember this episode and I was like how did she forget that thawne who's sole purpose in life is to make Barry life a living hell and our daughter my own flesh and blood was working for him how am to trust her and I also blame future iris cause she never told Nora about thawne its when she and Barry went back in time and Barry told her that thawne killed her grandma and has been a menace to him all his life and she forgot that Barry had to going into the speed force to you know make sure world wasn't destroyed its not like she doesn't know she married to a superhero who job is to you know sacrifice there life should that be only option she knew what she signed up for when she said yes
You know a show is horribly written when a superheroes love interest knows full well they're a superhero and still blows up at them over a pretty small matters compared to world ending threats. *Cough* Invincible animated series *Cough* Fuck Animated Amber *Cough*
@@JoshtheOverlander God in the actually comic she was cool about it when he told her that he was a superhero but tv Amber reaction is worst thing i have ever seen i can see in the near future she going be probably the most hated character on that show
For me it’s Monica telling Wanda the people she imprisoned will never understand what she “sacrificed” for them.
I like that Wanda was a bad guy in that show who had to go through a character arc and sacrifice the thing she wanted most (I still think her best moment by far is in Infinity War, where she's holding back Thanos while having an emotional breakdown while having to kill Vision, the look she gives when that fails and she dissolves away and accepts her fate gives me chills). But she was a bad guy who terrifyingly imprisoned and enslaved hundreds of people. The show let her off the hook way way way too easy for that. And that line from that chick was so so so stupid.
If a male character did that, you better bet Disney would be potraying him in a different more monstrous light.
@@samueljay8519 they wouldn’t let a male character be that powerful. Look at how they nerfed hulk and thor
@@therookie5714 Very true. I am so glad Tony got a fitting end so I don't need to watch him get dragged through the mud.
Nah I agree with that, parent here, fuck the rest of y'all. My kids are not just my but your priority and you don't get a say in it.
@@Royal420Way Even though her kids were fake and not real? You’re ok with prioritizing fake children over the lives of real people? She also didn’t just imprison real people, she imprisoned real children in their rooms as well.
Did we forget this the same woman who said your not the flash we are
Did she REALLY?? Bro, no, you do not get to make that claim if you have no goddamn superpowers!! You know what does earn that right? When Clair, Toby, and the others in Tales of Arcadia remind Jim that they're the Troll*hunters*. Because 1. Clair and Toby have cool magic weapons and have learned how to use them and have contributed significantly to the group's efforts and 2. Jim himself was the one who initially decided to share the title because he knew he wouldn't have survived his mantle alone
@@JoshtheOverlander she really fucking did say that shit. That was the exact moment I dropped the show 😂
She was like you're not the flash alone......we are the flash. I was sitting there alright bitch next time a threat shows up you can March your ass out there and see how far you get. Soon as she said that if I was Barry I would have been GONE
That line turned my stomach it was so bad. It was Felicity-level bad.
@@Marcell2aG not Felicity catching strays😂😂😂
At this point I won’t be surprised if she was secretly a villain this whole entire time, cause these writers are seriously doing everything to set her up as that.
I’d say a worse part in the flash is when joe called Barry and Iris terrible people for wanting to let thawne die
Yeaah That bugged the hell out of me. Thawne has killed SO many people. And its not like they're killing him. They are just letting Him die for his own damn mistake. And. Remember when Wells 2 Walked in and he IMMEDIATELY tried to smoke his ass?
I'm beginning to notice a pattern in recent super hero flicks where the romantic partner of the hero is on a pestle and if the hero doesn't always put them first- even before countless lives- they're the bad guy.
Meanwhile when the villain kills thousands for a singular person it's bad, unless they're romantically interested in the person then its suddenly okay.
Giving me invincible vibes 😂like amber is that you like the black versions of a white character be skipping a beat
I don't get why they change the race of these characters and then make them Way worse it's like their trying to be racist
@@hoodiek6802 They changed the race of the characters to gain clout on Twitter and they made the characters unlikable because the writers are hacks.
@@hoodiek6802 It's pretty simple really, get Mark with some random unimportant character, make her a bitch, who makes his life miserable, set up a much better love interest on the way and after sometime when they finally get together they will be a perfect couple and everyone will be happy and satisfied with it
@@AryanSingh-yy9mw If that was their intention. I hope they make it clear in the next season. I mean, based on the comics they don't really stay together. But I really couldn't fathom Mark's best friend siding with Amber either.
@@AryanSingh-yy9mw
But the comics did that whole thing perfectly without any of the stupid bullshit.
So why add it into the show?
I was going to say the “I’m a weirdo” speech from Riverdale, but honestly, I love how stupid that scene is so much that I think I’d rather keep it 😂😂😂
Amber yelling at Mark for leaving at the college when she knew he was Invincible the whole time, god they butchered her character so bad in the show
the comics are better than the show. fuck the show. It imo doesn't need a show or movie. The comics tell one big story with a complete and definitive beginning, middle, and end.
They did her so dirty, at least in the comics the break up made perfect sense and you don’t really blame anyone. But this was just horrible fr
Another worst moment in the arrowverse was when J’Jonn said that Supergirl wasn’t ready and Alex decided to respond with. “Why because she a girl.”
Almost made me wanted to quit but I wanted to see Superman.
Why people don’t like Iris, I like the actress 10/10 pro but the character just no
Jen Walters says she's got it harder than Bruce in She -Hulk is definitely one of the moments of all time
Nah that actually made me mad. Like hey bring cat called, seen as less in your job because your a women, and the other things she stated suck, but like it’s BRUCE we’re talking about. Getting cat called and whatever else she said is not on the same level as even a fourth of what Bruce wen through
She-Hulk: "I can control my anger INFINITELY MORE than you! My life is on the line when I'm catcalled!"
Bruce Banner who witnessed his father murder his mother, took lethal doses of radiation to save someone, has been chased by the US Military and treated like government property, has fought monsters, fought a universal threat, and can't be intimate with any lover without changing into the other guy: 🙃
@@TriTomMaximum his dad was also abusive to him and his mother for several years before she was murdered which is what caused him to develop the “other guy” in the first placw
I 100% agree with that like it was such a terrible argument with flash having the right side infact I have to ask if iris were in his shoes would she have done the same
That’s a whole Amber and Invincible type argument bruh🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
“We’re the flash” 😂
I've been rewatching the Flash with my fiance and her brother and since pretty much the second episode of season 1, we've had so many moments where we yell shut up Iris and stuff like that. We even have night where we take shots every time she says, does, or act stupid. Love the show hate how they write iris some times
This needs to be another series.
Ong.
Iris: "You are thinking emotionally"
Barry: "Hey pot meet kettle"
Nah I loved Grant's acting in this scene it was a masterpiece
I remember I accidentally slapped myself so hard on the forehead watching that scene when it first aired. Shit pissed me off 🤦🏾♂️
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY FLASH TOO LOL, ARROW WAS DEFINITELY ANOTHER CHOICE I'D SAY!
It’s one specific scene not an entire show. If we are talking shows, I’d probably get rid of the rings of power
bro the oh my gawd just explains everything about this argument
Iris acted like amber in this moment ngl
Halloween Ends. when Laurie is leaving the store smiling, some random woman starts berating her for the condition one of Michaels victims are in. There is literally no reason for this conflict.
Man this show never evolved. Barry never became his own hero because team flash needs to exist.
They just couldn’t let him be the flash on his own. It had to be a team. I bet if iris were the one with powers there would be no “we are flash”. I’m sick of this woke sh!t
"Iris is completely in the wrong in this whole conversation" can be said about 99% of the things Iris says in a majority of the show.
Video 22 of my fight request. Thank you for your time ClassicMan D. One of these has to make it, one day! Who would win in a fight and why?: Marco Diaz (Svtfoe) vs. Ezio Auditorie (ACII and Brotherhood exclude Revelations and the movie).
The moment they show that kid dying in alien 3, she had such good character just to be killed off.
Man, they really did that character dirty in that show. They didn't have to turn her into such a self centered bitch but they went and did it anyway.
Comic book media has a big issue with writers thinking there isn’t enough conflict in the story atm, then deciding to write people WAY out of character to spark petty conflict.
I’m rewatching The Flash in preparation of the final season. I’m just about to get this part, like an episode or two away so this is a huge coincidence.
As a flash lover the argument really should have never existed like it's a no-brainer
As a person that is petty and has an overprotective mother I laughed so hard because I understood exactly what she was saying.
translation: "Oh so now that OUR daughter finally loves ME you send her ass back to the future? Your greedy ass has been soakin up all the adoration and praise she gave you but once it’s my turn all of a sudden Nora's the bad guy and she has to leave. Couldn't you wait till after she told me she loved me? You know what, BARTHOLOMEW, you are so selfish."
lmao 🤣 🤣
I have an protective mother and thought it was cringe af
Its frustrates me when writers be coming up with whatever to create tension between 2 characters, often love interest, then they have to comw up with illogical excuses why they mad.
I hated her character after S3.
How dare Barry go into the Speed force and leave her so he can save everybody
The Flash was a good TV show. It really was. But it really went downhill after Barry's daughter Nora was introduced. Like. The show just became a pep talk.
I remember Oliver Queen telling, "I don't think you can go more than 9 hours without some sappy motivational speech"
Like. That's what it was. A crapfest of motivational speech to get Barry to run fast. And boom. The next season, there was someone faster. And we'd have to listen to the sappy speeches again.
this is why I'm a SnowBarry shipper 😭
SnowBarry is 🔥
Facts.
The hate she gets is too valid
Yeah that was probably when people began to really hate Iris. She took shots at Barry that she knew would hurt him. I know Iris was trying to improve her relationship with Nora to make up for their toxic relationship in the future, and Barry was cutting that short, But there was no need for that.
Same thing they did to Felicity in Arrow, they make all them lack any empathy for the hero.
Snowberry for life!!!! ⚡❄⚡❄⚡❄⚡❄⚡❄
That argument bugged me so bad that i havnt watched the show since.
Day 15 of my $9.99 ask: If you could choosed any anime power system which would it be and why?
I guess have some patience, send a note lol
But till then, which one would you choose* and why?
Nen cause it’s diverse in it’s power range and the most balanced
I feel like this specific version of Iris could contend with Amber and Lois for dumbest superhero girlfriends in history