Your Coach is Lying to You! Where Does Your Power Come From
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, I am on location with @majined , the owner of @metrolinamartialarts to meet up with @IcyMikeP from @hard2hurt
Mike and I go over a few concepts in order to discover where does the power of a punch come from. Leave your comments below to continue the conversation.
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my boxing coach used to tell us all the time to " pull your punch back not push your punch forward, it's faster, stronger, and you have better balance even if you miss."
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Mine too he says "punching is about pulling not pushing"
Just completely changed my next sparring session with that advice
@RamseyDewey has said this as well. Power comes from pulling, not pushing.
@@88kalu really? That's cool the few videos of him I watched were always pretty good
There are 4 ways in which power is generated
- muscular strength in your arms, shoulders, back
- rotational (hips, shoulders) as scene in this video
- weight shift (step or shifting your weight between your legs to produce force)
- elastic tension (the stretch to wip motion on the peck when you hand trails behind your shoulder) this was a favorite of Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey (he called it the Shoulder Whirl)
Thanks for the Louis& Dempsey reference!
I'm genuinely curious why the "weight shift" is considered a source of power. I think I'm probably not understanding what you mean by "weight shift." I am not a serious boxer by any stretch of the imagination. Is this referred to by some famous boxers/trainers? From a body mechanics (physics) perspective weight shift seems similar to the "hips lie" that this video discusses. Momentum from a step, or power from legs driving the hips and upper body are really the only ways to generate power from your lower half. The weight shift can only provide the base for either, but in itself has basically zero power to impart. Really fast weight shifts and steps can pre-load tension, but the power to do those quick movements is coming from the legs, with some help from hips and torso. I'm probably getting caught up in semantics. So I'll shut up now. Thanks in advance if someone has anything useful to clue me in.
@@KelpWolf Generally a weight shift is when you have weight focused on 1 foot, then you step or shuffle and put that weight on the other foot then strike. Here are some vids that might give you at least some idea of what it entails.
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It can be transferring power from a stance switch (the power comes from the stance switch into a punch(, or changing positioning and keeping the weight on one foot (this still means the power comes from the legs)
@@KelpWolf The weight shift simply generates motion of your mass so that you can use it to create a collision with your target. It's just momentum from a step as you word it.
5. Stepping or leaping forward.
Long ago Ramsey Dewey exactly tell me that for à better front hook, to pull back my other side.
Totally agree. If the pivoting of the foot and the rotation of the hip is truly the "key" for power, then Joe Louis would have the weakest cross in the history of boxing, because when he threw the cross, his rear leg is off the ground. The stretch on the pec and the pulling of the lats is what really drive the "snap" in a good punch
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Ramsay Dewey teaches this same thing! With bands as well... Great video!
Power can propagate through your body into your punch when your hips are in the right place, but the hips aren't generating much power. Back/shoulders, oblique abdominal muscles, legs. The muscles that are engaged when you're at full extension and resisting are involved with your stance. If your stance is solid on impact, your body won't have as much give, and your target will receive more power. I threw discus and javelin in high-school. The explosive power of throwing sports is most similar to a hook or roundhouse kick. I get the most power on a hook when I start with a leg-driven hip jerk and follow up with driving my opposite shoulder back while I engage my torso to bring my hook into the target. My punching arm stays in line with my shoulder the whole way through. Thanks! This was a cool body mechanics lesson. I have to say that people with really developed twisting muscles can get a lot of power from the hips and torso, but I don't disagree with anything you said about where you generate power.
Nay. Weight transfer throwing the weight to the front leg when throwing the right hand. An the back leg with the lead left hook.
@@andrewtanczyk4009 transferring your weight is necessary to have your base in the right place to generate power, but you're not generating power by transferring weight.
@@KelpWolf you have no clue what you’re talking about.
@@andrewtanczyk4009 lol, I'm talking about body mechanics, and you're slinging insults. If I had 5 minutes in a gym with you I could explain in person and lead you through the movements. Words are poorly equipped to describe complex athletic movements. Have a good day/night wherever you are.
@goshawk Awesome, thanks! Yep 💯 agree with the external obliques on the non punching side
Pivoting actually keeps your knee from exploding when you throw a kick so it's super important. As for power on a kick, i feel like it comes from multiple sources. From the ground, you need flexibility to not hinder your force, IT band strength, quads, many things.
Same applies to boxing. You can still throw a hook with “proper” mechanics without pivoting the foot but you’ll end up putting a dangerous level of force into your knees
This is just like punching taught in (good) Karate schools. At least from what I know of Karate. It always fascinates me how different martial arts and artists come to the same conclusion from different paths.
Great video man!
Thanks!
If it works it works
Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge. Two bad dudes who could do big damage coming together and exploring their findings as philosophers, then sharing with us. Its a beautiful thing 🙏
I've always liked power coming from your back, and your core. It starts with legs, but back and core, and then shoulder bis and tris. And if your well developed in all these spots and your throwing with technique, your gonna have alot of power. Then there is power from just big frames and mass. There's more to power than just it comes from here. If you have lunch box hands, and are 6ft 5 and weigh 250lbs and are in fair shape and know how to throw a punch, that punch will be powerful.. there's alot behind power.
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Well said
So basically you do what Karate Katas teach.
Got it!
Thank you very much for making this video! And yes I just wanted to "trigger" some people like Mr. Hard2hurt.
My coach used to make us pull on a resistance band on the other side rather than punch with it to improve/develop punch power for this exact reason and it really worked.
Great breakdown of mechanics/cues here. It can be tough to make that mind/muscle connection, especially when people have bad habits. I love that ground exercise for punching, its like the start of a "Turkish Getup" but focused on the rotation and shoulder blade being involved rather than the arm. Great stuff guys!
Love the channel and the great content, my man! Also, it’s been great seeing the collaborations.
This is a very interesting take. Reading some of the old time boxing books from the likes of Jack Dempsey, etc, also believed this. He referred to it as the shoulder whirl. Manny Pacquiao whom is known for his power, really is a great illustration of this concept of power.
Giving me something to think about. Thank you. Also, damn if I didn't just use that straight leg vs bent knee on the cross for my students last Thursday!
Great content.
Thank you both very much.
Especially interesting to me because a Tai Chi teacher taught me this years ago.
This is pure gold. Thank you so much
🙏🏾🙏🏾 glad you got some value from it
Your proper weigh in move is a lot of power, the move of your opponent too. So, technique of punch is just a part of power, totally depend on the way fighters are moving at the moment.
That's pretty much why in traditional martial arts there are forms, stances and basic drills (kihon in karate) that are meant to condition student's bodies for proper movements so you don't have to be too verbose while explaining them. Just do this and that for like 2 years and then we'll talk.
I really love how you explain things, its clear and the explanations are thorough
Learned this in taekwondo doing punches in horse stance. One of the first things I learned as a kid, its the twisting and countermotions, along with balance, acceleration, and posture
I love this! I'm not that into boxing, but this is just so fascinating. Of course tons of martial arts steal from boxing so...aaanyway. This is almost scientific--which, being a nerd, I absolutely love. Fantastic video, Jared! Keep it up.
a lot of great concepts I never even thought about in this video,. thx you.
Thanks!!
That was fascinating. TY for this.
Glad you got some value from this!
If you change the position of the legs in the kettlebell exercise, so that the other foot was planted on the floor, you would be able to complete the rotational movement and engage the back even more. Look at the very first movement of the Turkish Getup. Done correctly, it is a rotation of the upper back, supported by a push-pull from the rear shoulder and the support leg, diagonally through the body.
There is also a certain way to insert the hand into the grip which leads to a straight and strong wrist like when punching, you could look into that as well. It will line up the joints and create structural support as opposed to muscular support.
I got weak ass arms so I discovered this real quick
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Ramsey Dewey has a video on this. He uses a resistance band on the non-punching hand to train the pulling back as you punch. Think he suggested it as a better alternative to punching with a weight in your hand.
Yes I have done that as well. It’s a great alternative.
Weight transfer by throwing the weight forward to the front leg for the cross. Transfer the weight to the back leg when throwing the left hook. Definitely tilting your upper body side to side when throwing punches. However power mainly comes from weight transfer.
Watch how much weight Teofilo Stevenson puts weight on the front leg when he is throwing his right cross. He’s also standing straight on his front leg. Also look at how Salvador Sanchez transfers his body weight from leg to leg when throwing punch combinations.
Definitely love this video, simply explaining the truth with demonstration and logic, and a bit of fun, you 2 are such great characters or persons, from Italy i really thank you, i just watch your videos and learn something new and also i can refresh my mind rewatching also the basics! Great job Guys!
And from nothing i would like to give compliments for the logo, cause it's well made!
Keep going!🥊♥️
Thanks for the love 🙏🏾🙏🏾
I watched this because I thought it was an Icy Mike video, but now I'm going to have to watch a bunch of the Sacred Boxing videos. Really good content.
Thanks bro ‼️ More to come
Great advice !!
Good conversation and good way to train it.
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I heard this a few years ago and it was life changing, great lesson
I also use this intent of throwing the shoulder back when I'm kicking
So great to have this kind of teaching from a real professional. Excellent teaching
I learned this before from some king fu video but completelyyyy forgot and was back focusing on only my hips and feet. This is so important to be conscious of. Preciate you SB! 🥊 🔥
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Made a subscriber out of me! I love this collaboration!
Like seeing coaches around other coaches
I sure wish all this excellent (free!) content 20 years ago!!
I feel like the problem with coaching is that students want easy answers, and they teach you to give them easy answers that kind of work over the more complicated and nuanced reality. There's a lot of things going on at once, and that's after basically removing all the terrain.
It's like teaching someone to catch a ball. Your body does most of the work without you getting involved, it's not like you're doing the math.
I switched from "proper" training to just ignoring everything that came out of a human brain and using what everything else uses and it's working a TON better, my back and knee pain is gone, and I'm way more resilient, but it's such a purely mental effort (mostly just overriding social mimicry, peer pressure, and the idea that overriding the body isn't terribly irresponsible) that I have no idea how you'd even START coaching something like that conventionally, because it's basically "Ignore everyone, including me and yourself, just charge into weird terrain until the old system starts taking back over" and that's a sentence, not a program.
Anyway, no idea where that goes, just feels like maybe we lost track off some things in the process of becoming a civilization. I don't think people in the past hurt themselves so often falling from standing up and I don't know what it all means, just that something's off.
I follow you on that 💯💯
@@sacredboxing I'm an old guy (51) and do a ton of mentoring and training for work, and a parkour gym I was going to asked me to put together a training plan and do some classes because I had some moves...but I could not make it work at ALL in the context of a gym training thing. The best I can come up with is getting together around the safest trees we can climb, smoking weed, and dancing badly to dubstep remixes while encouraging childlike enthusiastic derping to train proprioception...not an option in most States, right?
I don't think people appreciate how hard teaching/mentoring movement is. I'm really good at some things and those are the things I understand the least, much less how to teach them.
That's why karate emphasizes retracting so hard when drilling the reverse punch.
That kettlebell demo is helping me to realize how important the Turkish get up is
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Coach Jared! Solid tip with the kettle-bell, will need to add this to my routine and reap the benefits to my punching.
And yes, we all lie to our kids ;9
Another great video, much love and respect, thank you again =)
😆 thanks! Glad you got some value
@@sacredboxing it is not a lie tho Santa is real
Fascinating insight
Lot of similarities to the TMA Hiki Te ( pulling hand ) concept
I start getting my more advanced fighters to start thinking about the opposite side of the body. Great stuff here
Thanks coach sacred boxing. More videos please like a footwork videos, and Angles. Anything you see would be beneficial to learn☺️
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i've seen stuff on youtube from kung fu folks with a very similar concept regarding the opposite side (arm shoulder back) pulling as a counterweight to really drive the punching side into the target. (heck! looking back i think it might've been a sensei seth video)
its so interesting to see similarities in understanding body mechanics and functions develop from different styles and fighting arts around the world. love the lessons and videos! i've been learning so much!
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My coach teaches me to pull my left shoulder back, load me legs, turn my hips when throwing the cross. I need the most reminders on the shoulder. Pretty new to the sport, less than a year in and love every class.
Thanks for dropping some knowledge. I’m gonna start practicing the mind muscle connection for the opposite side of the back
That's the action that need to happen but not we're the power is coming from
Hit ‘like’ straight on the look to camera after “you lie to your kids, right?”. Perfect.
Looking forward to the karate hiki te comments.
I like that kettlebell exercise. I usually have people do a band pull while slowly extending the opposite punch to teach that but I’m definitely stealing yours.
🔥🔥 I like the band and/or cable pulls too! Allows the person to feel the reciprocated movement.
Well I see it as the back heel comes up and turns till it faces the straight ahead. That gets ours hips square which is our load for the punch. That tightens the muscle on the side of the hip and the oblique. Then we turn that opposite shoulder back and tighten our ab from the side the punch comes out of. That gives us the snap from two opposite forces meeting. And the back twitching with the hip moving is just recoil..... all that said this is just my view. Excellent videos man 🤙
Gold!
Maximal power = transferring as much force/time as possible from the ground into the target as efficiently as possible
I'm here because of Icy Mike. Great video man!
Thanks for checking me out!
Take my sub ! I noticed this technique from the one and only Iron Mike Tyson trying to figure out where his power came from.
Been a long time sub of Icy Mike's
Very interesting! Does help explain why so many boxers have such developed upper back musculature.
Love this advice for better striking! My girlfriend isn’t gonna stand a chance now!
This is actually how I threw a baseball I took the form from pitchers while making it a shorter motion. The idea was whipping my glove hand down with an acutely bent elbow and snapping the glove hand down like a whip while having the throwing hand start the whipping motion forward using the momentum of the other arm to add more velocity to it. To make it even better snap down at the was as you whip the throwing hand and you will add in a whole extra whipping motion with the throwing hand making it actually have a much higher velocity it is harder to control though has worked at getting the close plays to go in my favor though and definitely helpful but needs practice before being used in a game. All that to say I can say with my own experience that throwing the other side of the body back with the punch to rotate faster will definitely add more pop to a punch.
Icy Mike made me subscribe he’s hard to hurt so I listen to him.
"Never been to prison?" His head snapped up and then he remembered "oh yeah it's mike he didn't mean it like that" lol
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Gold.
As a guy from another boxing channel once said :"Punching is actually pulling, not pushing".
Same principle
Had my soldiers doing that kettlebell shoulder raise today. Definitely a quality workout.
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Omg. There's so much I wana say.
You guys are on the right track, but I believe a better exercise for training that twist is with resistance bands or cable weights. And it's more about the abs than the back. Think of it like a butterfly screw, it's the same motion. I actually got the idea from one of Ramsey deweys videos like a yr or 2 ago. And I think it was kind of a throw away part of the video that is more important than even he might have thought.
I used to do "punching" exercises with cable weights, but then bcuz of ramseys video, now, I hold the cable with one hand, and throw the strike with the other hand, but not rechambering the hand holding the cable. Its working the abs used for twisting. And I'll do 4 sets working the straight punch and the jab from both orthodox and southpaw. And it had definitely improved my punches. I wish I could show you guys.
But maybe I'll bring it up in my own video.
Another good back exercise to do when you don't have a pull-up bar, nor a row machine comes from the GOAT Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. He said that when he was traveling and staying in hotels, he'd wedge a towel under the bathroom door and place another on top of the door for grip, then do pull-ups.
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I recently started throwing my cross similarly (I also shift my weight to my front leg) but I feel like that fully committed punch leaves me very vulnerable.
Even though I get more power and reach out of it. The hand that I would usually have guarding the left side of my head and body is now behind me.
Don’t open up. Keep the elbow in front of the body and fist at cheek level. And if you throw the punch at 50 speed bring it back 100 speed.
@@sacredboxing imma work on that
I've noticed I leave my punches out there for too long especially after a miss
I'll go slower and conscientiously make an effort to pull back at double the speed
Great instruction.
Great content as always !
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Dope video. Gotta work on power with the new knowledge
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this is why Basics matter. A lesson for ICY Mike. Knowledge is power! When you say lie. you actually mean you do not have the Knowledge to teach the correct technique.
What’s really cool is all the different takes coming from the comments. I used to think power came from rotation and push/pull so this was a really cool video to emphasize that
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Had a coach tell me that you don't push to punch, you pull to punch.
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Agree your shoulder width takes account for a lot of power becaouse it acts as a lever, but a real place where power comes from is just a weight transfer the more weight shift the more rotation also. As a small detail like you said moving your head to the side it simply also adding more weight transfer
Awesome. I learned this rotation years ago from a very skilled instructor.
Interestingly this is how i was taught to punch for kyokushin, engage the back muscles as you pull one arm back in and extend the other out
Oooh, that's why Mr. Miyagi gave that spinning hand drum to karate kid, that time he returned home for a festival, reunited with his first love, got caught in a hurricane, & his student had a karate duel
From a book by Loren Christensen said use your opposite side waist to pull your torso around and slightly downward.
true man after shadowboxing or whatever if overdone u feel that soreness in the upper back muscles and lats.......same thing with kicking with the driver being the glutes thats why with a sidekick (like a jab) you face the target glutes in the direction of the target to utilize it 100%
Bruce Lee was super obsessed with his back. The way of the dragon, when he fought Chuck Norris, he leaned forward and did that upper back flex scene. It look like wings were coming out. He was so obsessed with his back that it lead to a major injury while working out with good mornings.
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I always try to practice for speed and power, I try to relax before I punch 👊 and just when I hit the target contract the punch 👊 then relax again ,for me it works and I can get lots of power like that and speed👊🙏
Ive been wondering how to work out my back without weights the elbow lifts sound great ill try um out
Ramsey Dewey suggested pulling exercises to strengthen punches rather than pushing exercises. Pulling back a resistance band and rotating the left shoulder back with strengthen the cross and vice versa.
Might be worth looking into Silat drills for rotation training. The art has a big focus (well the version I studied) on punching from a ground or seated position. The only way to generate power when you can not use your hips is to rotate from the waist. Really helps to wake up those muscles, and adds a lot more power when you can properly connect that rotation to everything else.
I’ll have to look into Silat drills. I like the seated punch idea. I study functional patterns for about 5 years and really understood better the importance of rotational force better
@@sacredboxing yeah trying to generate power for a punch as well as parry one when sat cross legged on the floor with someone really forces awareness of rotation and what your back actually has to do. Also really plays well into the circular footwork and movements of the art but can be adapted by high level boxers.
it's obviously the whole chain of the movement that makes the power. it adds up. you can break up the chain into parts and isolate them and in all of them the fist will move. while most part of the chain kind of comes naturaly, the rotation doesn't. so it makes sense to teach people "it comes from the hips"
It's somewhat like how a trebuchet works; the counter weight drops, giving the swinging arm power etc. at least in part. Of course, if you use all your parts in perfect synchronization, that is when the ultimate in power will come through. pivot the hips, press on the back foot, push back with the opposite shoulder etc.
If you look at/ask throwers (shot, jav), the lead side is very important. The front leg actively pushing back (we call it blocking) drives the rotation just as much as the back leg pushing forward. You also pull the lead arm back the same way that you describe here, although the degree to which it's done in throwing is obviously not going to be as applicable in fighting because it leaves a bigger opening.
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I learned some of my fathers karate and spent alot of time solo with the back and forth pull and push retraction to extending arm opposite side training of punches. I got used to just using my shoulder the one arm going back of one to make the other go even before I learned how to use my hip in line with the shoulder or at the end of the punch. Im friends with a dude who used to boxing and a good bit of boxing mechanics are different then karate some similar though depending on the style etc. Izzo wing chun talks about the opposite side pulling to push the other as well.
Big movements of your legs and hips just unconsolidate your force, to consolidate force you want to keep legs and hips sturdy and generate the bigger rotation in your shoulders
The proper footwork will manifest if u focus on solidifying and making sturdy so your shoulder rotation doesn't throw u off balance
Right on!
I have struggled with this notion a long time now. The truth is the force you put into the ground will dictate how quick that rotation is. So both are true. I think of my body as a grenade. My core is the explosive and my arms and legs are the shrapnel. The more force in the explosion, the more powerful the shrapnel.
Could you do a video on how you found the kicking experience personally from when you did the collab with all those martial artist youtubers? Maybe some advice for pure boxers fighting kickboxers?
Good idea 💡
That looks like hikite from Karate, I think in a way the idea of contracting those muscles with an opposite motion is the same(? Just without the rotation of the body
I think the big difference with pulling the opposite shoulder to recruit the back muscles, isn't so much a huge raw power difference, though there is some more power certainly. Rather it improves the quality of the connection on the strike and allows you to absorb the recoil better. Thus it stabs and penetrants the target more making the transfer of energy more efficient and thus a more devistrating collision. Less of a slapping blow.
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It would be interesting to see the difference in power output using Sensei Seth's PowerKube.
All of that is part of the kinetic chain which creates power -its not just one area
Its from the spinee!!😂
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I learned that from kungfu sensai told me when I punch to throw my opposing elbow back like I'm hitting something behind me
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I'm gonna wildy guess because this is something that Ramsey Dawey said. The most important muscles for a Boxer are the legs. All the movement including the punches require footowork, also footwork the proper use of that work is how are your feet positioned during each strike, it does not really mean movement lol.
It's the legs right?
I get my legs tired the most when training striking in general.
The entire kinetic chain
Jack Dempsey called this the "Shoulder Whirl".