DIY foam soap is a bad idea
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i have so much trauma from my mum insisting on diluting all soaps when i was growing up. it made washing dishes a really horrible experience. i explained to her many times why we shouldn't but she'd never listen to her. i understand she did it to save money but i'm so glad that it's a distant memory for me now.
but dish soap is meant to be diluted. You take a few tbsp's of soap in a bowl of warm water
@@pssurvivor yes, but not in the bottle. did you even watch the short?
That is so true. Good thing my mom realized that it was too hard too wash dishes with a diluted soap. She would always tell us to dilute it according to how we liked it to be once we use it and don't pump out too much all at once so there's no waste
I dilute my soap in my shitty little dishwashing plastic bowl with less than half a cup of water because of that. I HATE diluted soap so much but I can tolerate it a little
Did not realise you were talking about diluting it in the bottle either 😅
Thank you!! Thank you!!! I’m glad I’m not the only one telling people about watering down the preservative! There is so much BAD information. I just saw a woman on tik tok claiming that bleach doesn’t kill mold, it just bleaches it. Saying that we should use Tea tree oil!! Ugh!!
Ughhhhh
Let me guess… she was in an oil mlm? They spread the most misinformation
😮 OMG
The Castile soap he uses literally says dilute on the battle for many different ways to use the soap including hand soap.
I was going to say the same thing
you're still diluting all the ingredients in the formula ultimately making it less effective in washing and preserving. most castille soaps recommend making diluted soap in small batches as these don't have the best shelf life compared to undiluted castille soap
Surely just use bar soap if you really want more bang for your buck?
Nah they have more germs than regular soap.
@@misskiwi5460 And where’d you get that from?
@@misskiwi5460not if the preservative system is strong & its kept well. like on a soap dish, clean bathroom, & not flushing ur toilet without closing the lid. NOTHING u r going to keep long term & is perishable should be "preservative free."
@@misskiwi5460 Where did you get that from?
@@misskiwi5460 not if the soap works as intended
There was a blog I used to follow waaaay back in the day, like way way long ago called something like "Whats inside this thing?" The premise was a guy who would basically take things apart and see how much or what you were getting, like how many peanut butter sandwiches can you make from one jar of peanut butter, or how many ounces of water can you absorb with one roll of Bounty paper towels.
Anyway, he did one about hand soap. "How many times can you wash your hands with one bottle of hand soap vs one bottle of foaming soap?" He deemed that the regular hand soap was the better buy, because you could get more hand washings per dollar, but then decided to make it even cheaper by diluting his regular hand soap with water to make a foaming soap. You guessed it, he had to come back and update the blog post to say his foaming soap pump had started to get slimy and gross inside after a few weeks, and so he could no longer recommend this.
And yet, we still have people "discovering" this "hack" every day, and thinking they've stumbled across some big grand secret to save themselves money. They haven't. It isn't worth it. Soap is supposed to keep your skin clean, and it can't do that if you keep messing with it.
That blog sounds very interesting ngl. Do you know if he is still doing it?
@@susu9129 Ha! I actually found it when I was typing out a reply to say "I don't think I'd even know where to begin finding it." I remember he did a bunch of cool Halloween costumes, and one year he was a crowd of paparazzi, and that lead me back to the blog. From almost 25 years ago (says he started the site in 1998) 😂
I don't think I can type the url or it'll get stifled, but if you search cockeyed and "how much is inside" you should find it. The guy's name is Rob Cockerham. He is, unbelievably, still updating the site!
what about if rubbing 70%alcohol is part of the ingredients, will it still slime over just wondering
I tried this too and didnt like the texture. It wasnt as 'squishy' lol. I didn't even think about the preservatives! Even though I have to be budget conscious, foaming soap is my splurge.
im not sure if you know, but on the bottle of bronners, it says to dilute it!
Castille soap like Dr. Bronners advise you to use it diluted.
Castile soap is a concentrate you can definitely dilute it in a foam pump about germs add a little bit of rubbing alcohol just a tad. Besides my family goes through the bottle within 7 days. Also soap just binds the dirt out of your hands or body water is what cleans you!
You can get actual soap paste that’s meant to be diluted and you can use in a foaming dispenser. It’s expensive though.
What’s wrong with using distilled water? And it’s easy enough to add citric acid or any other preservative.
@@Ida-Adrianajust using distilled isn’t gonna stop germs from growing? And I guess you could do that at the right measurements which is kinda difficult but wouldn’t make washing hands a pleasant experience cus it would be drying
Oh dear. I can't lol.
The only reason I kindaaaa dilute liquid soap/shampoo/conditioner is when the large bottle cannot pump anymore as it ran out; swishing some water inside to get just one more wash/use.
Not sure if that is hygienic but welp, trying to use up the remaining product in the walls of the bottle XDDDDD
That's fine just as long as it's not overly diluted and exposed in open air...near a flush toilet... in a humid bathroom... that is shared by other people. Just transfer in a smaller transparent container and use up as soon as you can. Throw out if you start to see it look turbid or smells funny.
@@mdml0 Quite an interesting take. I think it miiiiight be good for a few days to a week or two depending on how aseptic the dilution was done, the environment where the diluted product is stored and used, and the container used. Might be good in a pinch, but personally I wouldn't do it.
While parabens and some preservatives can work even at low concentrations (and may even be working even after dilution - need more research and number crunching on this), bacterial load cannot be determined unless you take a sample and swab it for culture or do some analysis work on it, and it is possible that a microbial load enough to cause potential harm can be present in the diluted product before signs of spoilage are noticeable.
Personally I'd err on the safe side by using and storing the product as intended. If cost of the product is a bit steep, there could be more affordable alternatives. Or DIYing it with a soap/liquid handwash making kit, checking if it has a good preservative system and proceeding with caution to not contaminate the end product.
@ryuichiro.sakuraba yeah there's no way to be completely sure without testing. The key takeaway is to add just enough water to access the leftover product in the container and get another 2-3 uses max. I'm sure a lot of people do this to avoid wastage. It's not ideal but if they're going to do it then might as well do it with a few pointers. But then again I've been known to cut open tubes of lotion and toothpaste. 😅
@@mdml0 Yep! Waste not it is.
And goodness, why do they make those tubes so hard to finish? 💦Guilty well in cutting those toothpaste and lotion tubes haha~ Isn't it satisfying to cut open the almost spent tube close to the part before the spout, then scooping out more than a dollop of product? XDDD
One of the few tubes that could almost be emptied would be those professional hair colour tubes. 🤔😆
If its for your last wash and you do it shortly before you intend to, its probably not gonna cause any harm
A bit tone deaf. You could just explain how to do it safely instead of condescending like this to very poor people who want to clean stuff/themselves.
This guy is from a media outlet owned by a company with over 6 trillion in revenue, encouraging people to dilute their soap and make it go bad faster.
What if you don't dilute the whole refill container, and only dilute the small dispenser? I wouldn't need the preservative to last a super long time, maybe a week to a month? But maybe that's too long also.
110% agree. Can imagine people getting eye infection from using bacteria infested foaming soap. SAFETY > SAVINGS
I actually tried this years ago when I had an empty hada labo face wash bottle and I wanted to make my handsoap foamy... it was not good. i didn't even know much about the bacteria and mold issue but the whole texture also was not it. I realized it at once that the kind of soap I had was not meant to be diluted and kept. thank God I only made very little to check so I didn't waste a lot of soap
Can you tell me if the hada labo face wash on itself is good though? 😂 Is it suitable for sensitive dry skin?
I’m still looking for a good one that I can repurchase so I can finally stop testing out cleansers.
@@udontevenwannaknowbruv I have never had a better one. but my skin was dehydrated oily then and it made it soft and hydrated. the only reason I don't buy it now is cuz i can't source it easily in my budget. itthink it is worth trying at least once. you can get the pump once and if you wanna repurchase you can buy the refill
What about Castile soap with distilled water?
THE "RULE" WITH THAT: If the packaging says dilute it with specific amount if water, then you dilute it with water. If the packacking says nothing about that, then do not ever do it.
But it’s okay if you are using Dr bronners right because it literally says that in the package
Only if you use it right away, not if it's sitting in a pump for months...
i use dr. bronner’s castile soap for diy foaming handsoap (about 3 parts water to 1 part soap) and i have to refill it every week or so. i have no issues with the “slimy bottle” bacterial problem and my hands are very clean, i swear!! 😂
@@sunset_planetyea
If you're washing your hands consistently like a normal person the soap would be getting used up and not sitting for months.
The only time i put a bit of water on my liquid soap is when it's basically 'empty', good for 1-2 more washes just enough to scrape of the remnants before it goes to the recycling bin. I hope that's fine. 🤷♀️
So how do we make a sufficient quality foam soap then?
I actually have done this and didn’t encounter any problems so I think we just managed to use it up b4 it went bad? I didn’t mean to, we only have foaming hand wash bottles in the house now because my mum loves them and we accidentally bought a refill bottle of normal hand soap so I just diluted it so it wouldn’t block the pump. I also only did about half and half compared to this guys 1/5 or so.
Same, we dilute 50-50 and it seems fine, the texture is rich and not watery. We also use it up pretty quickly.
It's not about saving money, my partner just prefers foams, and I can't find foaming soap refills.
@@bonie_and_beans still, like she said, not a good idea because the preservatives aren't formulated for doubling the water content. So far the fact that neither of us have gotten an infection may just be dumb luck.
Maybe U can buy refills online? I usually find the foaming handwash refills next to the other handwash refills in the supermarket, but maybe not as popular where U live?
@@animemangalover94I’m glad she didn’t say jumping off a cliff is safe
@@Kanoog is this supposed to be a joke about blindly agreeing with a TH-camr?
Do U disagree with her for any logical reason or is this just U being contrarian?
That makes sense! But what do you think of putting micellar water in a foam pump? I do this and cleanse my face with it.
Wow that actually sounds like a good idea. But i think the micelles won’t work properly if you do that
Hm... Not entirely sure if it would work but if your micellar water probably foams up a lot, then it miiiight be possible? EDIT: I thought it was the dispensing part lol so oops
Micellar water works due to the surfactants. 🤔Also micellar water can kinda foam when you shake the bottle but it still works after doing it, so dispensing it with a foam pump, the product should still work? 🤔
Transferring it to another container may be a potential avenue for contamination and the preservative system may be compromised if it reacts with or gets absorbed by the bottle and pump material. However, most of the micellar water are packaged in toner bottles that is exposed to air every time you use it so maybe it is alright in that aspect?
The foam pump may just squirt it though if your micellar water has a formula that does not foam up. I just tested it and it squirted lol.
@@ryuichiro.sakuraba wow and here i thought all micellar water would foam up when dispensing into a foam bottle
@@ryuichiro.sakuraba I know absolutely nothing about this really, but I feel like switching it to another bottle should be okay as the face wash that's supposed to be in the foam pump bottle is very similar to micellar water.
For clarification: I'm using the bottle of Hada Labo hyaluronic foam cleanser with Garnier dry & sensitive micellar water. But I feel like any micellar water will work, so weird that yours didn't.
Maybe not micellar water, but maybe distilled water, which is supposedly/usually sterile, but it still would affect the percentage of preservative in the product.
I bought a new soap pump because my old one broke, but didn’t realize it’s a foaming pump. It says to just add soap and dilute with water. What should I do instead?
what about if rubbing 70%alcohol is part of the ingredients, will it still slime over just wondering
I love foaming soap. Its a sensation thing for me (ADHD/ASD). I tried what he did and it is NOT the same at all. I tried so many different ratios and it just wasnt the same.
I still buy foaming soap, but get the big refill bags instead of individual bottles. Still works out to being pricier than regular liquid soap, but its one of my 'splurges' lol
I do this with Castile soap so its supposed to be diluted?? I put a few tablespoons in a foaming hand soap pump. Is this still okay??
Wondering this same thing!
castile soap is meant to be diluted unlike the soap shown here! (:
if it’s made to be diluted it will be much more concentrated. you’re fine don’t worry
Kind of- have to read about how long it’s okay to sit in there diluted, as it’s still not ideal for long shelf life.
@@yod4166 the soap used for dilution in the original video IS castille soap.
I use that also with Dr Bronner. Only the bubble jar but with pure liquid soap.
Pov: your school doesn't have money so when they were forced to put soap in every bathroom during covid they started diluting every bottle so much so that at some point the soap was slightly foamy water. (don't ask me why they didn't just put soap bars, I have no clue either)
Is this applicable to dishwashing liquid?
Nope! Which is why I use Ajax to make my diy foaming soap. 😊
I have a crunchy-type friend who will grate her bar soap into boiling water to make liquid hand soap, claiming it’s cheaper and better for the environment bc they aren’t having to ship mostly water and wasting fuel. Is this good or bad?
I don't know if it's actually better for the environment - boiling water uses a lot of energy and the water has to be pumped to their house. I think it would have the same dilution issue though.
The environmental solution was already there in that bar in the paper box lol
I can attest to this. Was trying to be cheap by using BBW body wash as the base for diy foam hand soap with regular tap water....until I realized the original scent started to change over a couple weeks and after examining the bottle noticed a marked increase in viscosity. Slimy bacteria growth! Ugh back to buying REAL stuff...
Try using distilled water instead of tap next time ….🤔
How much money could you possibly save skimming on soap of all things.
What do you think about the eco-conscious liquid-free soap/detergent pucks (powder pressed/molded into blocks and individually wrapped) that are emerging on the market? Since they are liquid-free, customers have to dissolve them in tap/distilled water in bottles to use as hand soap, all-purpose cleaners, or dish soap. I have considered purchasing these, but wonder about mold and bacteria growth.
Irish spring is good
That's why you use distilled water and a drop of alcohol 😅😅😅😂😂😂 foam soap is nothing more than the concentrated gel soap with water and alcohol... right? I use it so fast there is no time for bacteria to grow and I've never ever had that problem. My bottle stay clean and have never molded. Would like to see the proof of this... and I don't use to wash my face... interesting...I do this not only to be frugal but to try and not use so much plastic. Maybe I'll just switch to castile soap and not buy fancy soap. 🤔
I buy regular hand soap in the giant bottles at Costco, and it comes with 2. You would be suprised how little soap you need to get a good lather. I use maybe 1/3 a pump. Bought them like 6 months ago and I barely started the 2nd bottle. And I wash my hands frequently.
What brands do you buy from costco & how much do they cost? I'm looking for some low priced soap refills.
@@keyountisejones4071 I buy the Soft Soap brand that's blue and comes with 2 bottles. I don't remember how much I paid but online it says its $12.99, but usually it is more expensive online, so I would guess maybe $10/$11 in store?
We also go through our foaming pumps so fast!! No time for mold to grow I guess!! 😂😅
What does this mean for the diluted-dish-soap household cleaner? Might it be breeding bacteria? 😳
Could be if it's been stored for too long
It's fine as long as it's not sitting too long. Or use a distilled / mineral water, if they can sit long in a bottle at the store and we can drink it without having issues. So i don't see why can't it be use to make a foam soap. So it should be fine. Or maybe add a little alcohol in your diy soap.
So you prefer we all use a bunch of chemicals on our hands. These home homr foam soaps don't last long enough to develop junk. You need a new thing to gripe about.
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Oh boy. Does this mean I'm in trouble for diluting regular soap (in small batches)?
No, as long as it doesn't sit too long
If you want a foam cleaner buy a foam cleanser…………………………………………………………………………………. Well it isn’t the worst DIY tho at least it isn’t DIY sunscreen or DIY vitamin C serum or whatever 😂😂😂
What about oil pulling for teeth
Make a video on to make good quality soap
does this only apply to antibacterial soap?
my grannie buys her soap from my cousin's friend and i'm pretty sure it's just super diluted cheap liquid soap lol. now i'm worried 😅😅 i told her not to buy it again
Goddamn im in a school that literally requires students to do researches for multiple subjects and for 3 years and this would make a great topic. Mainly because hey friggin dilute the handwashing soap
That's so not true. You still wash your hands with plenty of soap.
If it’s so bad, then why are we using liquid soap anyway?
Foam soap is stupid to begin with. It screams SLS/SLES and is entirely reliant on the pumping mechanism.
Thankyou for stating what should be obvious. I also don’t like it when people have been refilling the same container for 10 years-- Yuk.
okay does the same apply to dish soap? cause mom uses the soap 30 water 70 ratio and it seems like bad idea
yes. everyone uses dish soap like that. I don't know anyone who got ecoli from using diluted dish soap
@@pssurvivor oh thank god because we have been doing that for some long time and if it was actually bad i suppose whole family would see consequences of our actions way earlier
lol 😂more germs after washing 😅
I just wanna have foaming soap. I'm new to all of this and like, what's bad about just getting liquid soap and foaming it? Why'd he even dilute it in the first place?
Regular liquid soap clogs the dispenser and didn't actually foam up
Just add a little bit of and I mean a little bit of 91 isopropyl alcohol no more worries
If you're broke just use bar soap. I like it better. 🤷♀️
Nope, not so
Yo I do this for my dish soap 💀, so is it bad to do since it can grow bacteria and I use it to clean the dishes?!
I know this is and despite it when the hand soap gets low imma add some water 🫣
Haha I do that too but only use it for a few days - it's risky, but the longer you leave it the worse it gets, so a few days is relatively low risk 🫣
Yeah, I really tried to like this guy because some of his advice seemed solid and he's generally likeable, but I've come to realize that he's the embodiment of "talking out your ass."
😂
What about diluting shampoo?
It's the same. Its ok to dilute any soap including shampoo as long as you use it right away. Just only make enough for a single use. If you dilute & leave it sitting around for a long time it will have increased bacterial growth.
It's fine, use a distilled/ mineral water instead. If they can sit in a bottle at a grocery store for a long time and allowed to be sold in public and consume without any issues, then it means it is good to use for a diy soap without growing any bacteria. Or add a little alcohol and a little soap too, just a little.
This is bad advice. Microbial contamination often comes from the air, so distilled water doesn't help. Alcohol needs to be at over 60% before it'll preserve, and even then it doesn't kill spores. As stated in the video, diluted preservative doesn't preserve as well as the concentrated preservative.
I hope you've just made this up and you don't have any actual relevant qualifications because everything you've written here is painfully incorrect. Please reconsider before giving people advice on any topic in the future.
Wow. I’ve been making DIY soap with dawn for a couple of years now. Yikes. Cringing at myself!
mmmmmmm Serratia
These TH-cam DIYs are really harmful… if the diy is measured in %(percentage) then I’m all for it…
BS. Ive used this for a year and I get clean.
You can’t see germs and bacteria.
Is DIY liquid soap without any preservatives made using Potassium hydroxide (KOH) and coconut oil good for skin?
It's good for cleaning and removing oil from the skin. Is it good for the skin in terms of mildness? Definitely not. It's more of OK if there are no other alternatives.
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I do this for years and everything is fine, so...
Everything's fine because the bacteria and other stuff on your hands hasn't made U sick enough to worry yet. Doesn't mean she's wrong and what you're doing is safe.
I say this as someone who has done it b4 and had 0 problems as well. Just because you haven't crashed a car yet, doesn't mean you're an excellent driver you know?
I’m about to go make some foaming hand soap.
HE’S DILUTING CASTILLE SOAP WHICH IS ACTUALLY REQUIRED! useless content
Most people aren't even washing their hands, and this is a hypothesis. Feelings aren't facts. Some soaps don't have preservatives, then what?
Pov: your school doesn't have money so when they were forced to put soap in every bathroom during covid they started diluting every bottle so much so that at some point the soap was slightly foamy water. (don't ask me why they didn't just put soap bars, I have no clue either)