This is the BEST Way to SLAPCHOP!?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- Slapchop is a new painting techniques that combines zenithal priming with the use of translucent paints like contrast paints, army painter speed paints, or inks. In this video, I test 3 slapchop techniques and searched for the best translucent paint. Slapchop is perfect for war and skirmish games like blood bowl, Warhammer, bloodborne (painted in this video), and more!
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Thanks to Sugar Candy Miniatures for lending me their Bloodborne models to paint!
00:00 Intro
00:45 What you need
1:42 Classic Slapchop
4:52 Color Chop
5:22 Wash Chop
6:21 The Take Away
7:07 Translucent Paint
7:24 Contrast Paint
8:16 Army Painter
8:27 Inktensity Inks
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Lyla Mev The Mini Witch creates beginner miniature painting tutorials and easy-to-understand guides for Warhammer, dungeons & dragons, and more. My favorite things to paint are sisters of battle, display quality miniatures, and focusing on having fun. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
What do you think about slapchop? Is it worth the hype? Is it just a fad?
I think it will stick around... until the next fad comes up.
@@funchick202 wish I could guess the next trend!
While not perfect, for a low skill artist like me the slapchop method helped me blow through about 40 of my skink and seraphon models in 1/4 the time it would have normally taken. Contrast paints aren't perfect and slapchop can offer wildly varying results but they act like a force multiplier if time is against you. It's always good to have extra tools in the shed.
I don't personally care for it, but I can see the utility. The rebranding is dumb as a rock though, there's nothing "new" here other than more people trying to sell translucent paints.
Also, I love my scale75 Intensity set. I don't use inks a ton, but when I do I'm glad I have them!
It is the dumbest name ever for underpainting
Love this, but PSA!!!! DO NOT dab off your brush for the purposes of drybrushing on a paper towel or absorbent surface!!!! You're making the moisture of the paint get sucked out of your brush, leaving you with way more pigment than medium within the paint itself. You will get a way chalkier finish if you do that!!! Instead, dab off on any dry surface like your desk mat, a simple paper plate, or a normal plastic painting palette.
I knoowww. I learned about this after I finished the video 😫
@@LylaMev It's okay! We're all here to learn. Its also not common knowledge yet so it's totally understandable
@@reallymiish I was just going to ask about this. 😀
I LOVE my slightly coated paper plates that I buy at the Dollarstore. They sortof have this vaguely plastic very thin coating that keeps the paint in the spot. I do use some paper towels, but they are really heavy duty and not the fluffy and soft toiletrags or super absorbent kitchen paper. They're the single folded kind for wallmounted holders.
I use sacks of rice, I never throw them out. It is like a burlap material
Funny thing is, I've been painting for about 40 years, and never even heard of slapchop.
But this is the way I've been painting 2mm armies for literally decades.
The internet discovered the power of underpainting when someone called it “Slapchop”, great marketing name. It is incredible how effective a well done underpainting is even when using traditional opaque acrilics, but the bulk of mini painters didn’t move from the 3-step basecoat-wash-highlight until this magic word was spread
My fav mini painter dropping a vid right when my food is done. No looking for something to watch while my food gets cold 😁 😂
I loved your detailed explaination on the dry brush part. Helped me understand what I was doing wrong.
My preferred slapchop plus method is grey prime with a dark wash. Followed by targeted, complimentary highlights for the contrast paint you're going to apply.
I've been using the build up to white and a burnt umber ink on wood to some really great effect recently. I know a few people who live for this method and it's great seeing your take on it! Also funny how far you went back to show how long the technique has existed as one of the guys at my game club hates that it's called slap chop because there's nothing new about it :D
As always, keep up the great videos and thanks!
I highly appreciate your presence on the internet and your down to earth opinion on products.
Thank you for the recommendations!!
I really appreciated this video because a lot of you tried are questions I asked myself.
Thanks for all the tips and explaining them so well! LOVE all the Bloodborne minsi!
$40 for the smallest "dry pallet" jesus. Its just glass. A tile for $1 is as good.
I ude my normal wet pallet works ok
Inks are great for transparent plastic also! Mix it with a clear medium and you’ll retain the transparent magic effects on the mini
Great video, there were a few ideas I wanted to test and now I know how to do them
Really appreciated when instead of breaking out a fresh paper towel you used a well used one. Most YTers doing hobby videos always break out pristine tools and materials, especially disposable ones and I feel like that makes them seem more like actors than genuine hobbyists. Props!
Thank you. You have explained slap shop method very well👍
My personal favorite transparent paints for underpainting are Golden High Flow. Zenithal with the airbrush, quick artist white drybrush, transparents, oil wash, and then highlight. It's not full slapchop speed, but it works well.
Wow! This video is excellent, full of great tips!!!! Thanks 😀
Thank you for actually talking about the history of Grisaille underpainting!
Brilliant! Thank you
I really appreciate the review on transparent paint. No one else has talked about that.
Thank you!!
Another great video very informative.
Great video as always!
Great video. I have a tip you may want to try for Drybrushing. I don't use paper towel to wipe paint off my brush, I use a T Shirt! I buy large packs of painters rags (basically t shirt material offcuts). Their cheap, don't break up when wiping on them and you're less likely to end up with paper fibres in your paint. They last for ages and while not as cheap as paper, are still pretty low cost.
Plenty to think about there thank you
Nicely done.
I especially like you showing the results of different types of paints.
I have always liked using inks.
Sub'd
The contrasting undercolor reminds me of the technique used by raphael to achieve an iridescent effect, ARTEnet has a very good video on this. I feel like it would be difficult to achieve on a miniature, but certainly possible! Great video.
I was painting using this method back in the late 80's using a range of inks by Rowney ,Kandahar series inks, they remain to this day the best inks I've ever come across. The first miniatures I painted using this method were the 1st edition Citadel/games workshop Lord Of the Rings miniatures.
This technique can be used to great affect on more detailed high standard paint jobs to if used wisely and correctly. Although your more likely to use in certain locations not all over
Another small tip: don't use a paper towel to wipe off your drybrush! The paper towel will absorb any moisture from the paint, including the medium. I have an old wooden cutting board that I use and there are texture boards from various manufacturers like Artis Opus. But any kind of wooden object with a bit of texture will do.
This 💯 The name "drybrushing" is misleading. You don't want it to be too dry. Smooth drybrushing is achieved by keeping it damp (just have very little paint on the brush).
I always use the back of my hand. Real mess though so maybe I’ll get a board.
@@AdamWhitehead111 Artis Opus and Ninjon both even advocate using a tiny bit of moisture in the brush before you even put the paint in. It's something I'm still trying to experiment and learn with, but their results are beautiful
Don't do drybrush. Problem solved.
@@TheBlackFrog79 lol! Nice. It has its place though for painting massive armies on the fly. Def not for your golden demon or your hero’s though.
Thank you!!
Thanks for this vid, very helpful. I just picked up a domed brush to try this approach. I like that you also showed the white prime with dark wash. So, many painters never address this. I do it all the time, though I do have puddling or coffee staining issues. I prime white and usually off-white then do a dark wash berfore doing my transparent color. Is it just that I like brighter finishes? Do you think the black prime white brush give more of a zenithal effect?
Your videos inspire me to paint. And painting is even more fun when you're inspired.
I'm so glad!
My personal way: mid grey primer as base layer, then nuln oil (or equivalent) for darkening the recessors, drybrush light(er) grey and white edge highlights. Then Contrasts (or equivalent).
(how bright the two grey tones are depends on the genre-style of the figure)
For the Quick Chop, you could do more of an overbrush than a drybrush to set the light areas, and then drybrush the lightest areas for contrast. In my (limited) experience, Speedpaints really need a light basecoat, because they all look black when painted over black.
Just picked up the Goff Rocker from the local WH Store and I have him primed up and ready to try this out on. See how well the few Contrast paints do before I ask Santa for more, or another brand as per the Scale 75 love you have here.
Very interesting experiment thanks for the video .
hey we did this back in the 80's. Greetings from Belgium. Im 59. 😉
I’m enjoying your videos and so helpful for a beginner like me. One thing I’d love your opinion on, painting large flat or curved surfaces with a brush. I’m painting a 1/24 scale camper and find getting overlap lines out difficult. Many thanks, learning lots from your vids.
Try stippling! The video I'm releasing tomorrow talks about it!
best dry pallette is a ceramic tile you got at the hardware store for .15 cents
+100 points for the choice of miniatures! Love the Bloodborne board game.
i think its great for knocking out an army fast and looking good
Thanks!
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
I find a piece of cardboard to be best at removing moisture from a drybrush.
Idk why or how, but it gives the best results for me
I read a magazine by P3 Paints ages ago and it used a similar technique. This was before contrast paints though. Anyway, can speed up the process and give a more natural feel if you prime black, from a 45 degree angle spray or airbrush prime your mid gray, and from very top spray or airbrush white primer. Let the paint naturally fall where it's going to fall. THEN contrast paint. Will definitely add some speed to your results!
thanks for the vid. I just wanted to say i recently saw a slapchop vid ...and tried it ..but went little nuts with it. lol...i did the 3 layer highlightbut i did that in a different darkcolor to light basecoat pre-highlighting instead of black to white ...or the whole model in one color.... cus i first did one model black-grey-grey white - white.... but after i had an Ork ..and thought green skin and ran out pf black primer.. but had dark army brown.....used that only on the skin areas..with lighter and lighter highlighting in lighter to white brown... worked perfect for the green... the brown edges looked awesome...better than my first ork i did with black white...
Most of hiss clothing is also a brownleather earthy colors ... so i picked different dark blue and dark red color for the rest of the model parts... THe difference is subtle but each mother color per 'material' type ..just seems to go nicer with a proper shadow slapchop style foundation... bit of a pain in the a** to separately drybrush each different body material ...but i think it already seems worth the effort..
yeh not sure the whole "don't get your brush wet" is very accurate. I have been using Artis Opus' style of dry brushing for a little over a year now and not drying your dry brush completely out has increased the quality of my dry brushing it no longer looks speckled like the models you are showing.
Wow! Nice video.
I actually cut down my slap chop time, even more. I prime black for dark models, buy use field grey or mechanicus grey for lighter colored minis.
When I apply the middle coat, I use a nice can of spray primer (like a scale75 or vallejo primer) to apply the middle grey coat by applying it at about a 55 degree angle; don't get the can too close or too far away. I use nice primers for it because the spray primers by them don't speckle over the black base coat. Cuts so much extra time off
For a while I’ve been painting like this mixed with zenithal . The the zenny with a can or my airbrush and then highlight different gradients with a dry brush, often in different colors. Let’s you get tons of complex gradients for just a little extra work
I had the same experience with contrast paint regarding having to thin it down for slapchop. Applying it immediately was way too opaque. What about Army Painter, did you thin them down as well?
How do you decide when to use the slapchop method as opposed to just painting it normally?
What did you thin the inks with? Glaze medium?
Great video! You tried a lot of the things I wanted to, so thanks! Saves me the work. Also very interesting the comparisons of the three different paint types.
How do you water down your Inktensity inks Lyla? Do you use medium, water or something else?
Thank you for such abgreat video full of experiments. I have some inks (including vallejo and Scale 75, Inktensity sets) and would love to try this technique on like you did. How much would you recommend I thin them? 50:50?
I think I started with like 75/25 water to ink, knowing I could apply a second layer if need be.
@@LylaMev Perfect! Thanks!
I like to base black, detail a different base color for skin and lighter colors I may want to lift, then drybrush white.
Using a 'domed' brush for drybrushing.. Where do I get one to try? Is that a makeup brush?
An experiment worth trying could be. Black primer - Typhus Corrosion, for texture (avoiding deep valleys) - Primer again.
This may help when blending in mid-tones and lighter values. I personally think oil paint is best for these techniques. Mini-painters don't ever mention lavender spike oil as a much healthier alternative to mineral spirits either.
Great video :)
I really liked that green contrast paint in the thumb nail and so I “red” the label and realized I’d been dooped!! 😂
Also! great video! :)
😂😂😂😂😂 you weren't supposed to notice!!!!
Great info as always...but a counterpoint to the RGG glass palette, instead of paying $20 to $30 for their branded product you can get a glossy floor tile from Lowes, The Home Depot or any building supply store for under $5.
Hi. I test many ways of doing this but the best way to do it for me is ot a black grey white. But i base in brown first highlight with a sand yellow and last highlight in white . The shadows are more natural with this .
I have a really dumb noob question, after you finish dry brushing, do you clean your drybrush like normal, in water? Really sorry for the question
Would this method work for 1/24 figure (75mm) or larger sizes?
Hehehe, I like how people watched Artis Opus videos on the same technic and all of a sudden there's an army of professional dry brushers, who feels oblidged to tell every creator about the proper way of drybrushing because those "professional drybrushers" knew it all along and for years, but surprisingly began to raise the topic only after Artus Opus =)) What a bunch...
is there a makeup brush equivalent for the domed brush?
Is that a Cainhurst armor? Sorry, i see it now, and the others too. Love Bloodborne, cool vid thanks4
When doing the wash method your model should be upside-down. This way the wash better collects where the shadows are. I use this method: prime mid tone grey, apply black wash to an invertesd model, white dry brush. Then apply transparent paint through airbrush or contrast paint.
i believe gw also say that their contrast line is meant to be used on a single colour primer (like grey or bone white) because of how it can pool especially if youre doing the whole slap-chop tabletop ready kinda thing
What ink was that that you used on the vampire thing?
How do ya avoid chalkiness with dry brushing?
Do you put the speed paints on a wet pallet?
Anyone have any suggestions on a good grey midtone to use with this method?
Slapchop has been around for DECADES; drybrushing is a MISNOMER. You MUST have a little moisure on the brush to help prevent streaking or the overly dusty effect. A small slightly damp sponge is best for giving the domed brush the proper amount of moisture
You can add a tiny amount of water to you brush when you drybrush for a less "sandy" and smoother aplication. Artis Opus has a couple of great tutorials on dry brushing
I'm actually taking about this in next week's video! I felt like such a dork when I realized I did it wrong for this video.
@@LylaMev Can't wait for that video!
"Here's what you will need"
*shows picture of kitty*
always start with kitty
For color chop you want to use temperature theory to help you. To give an example, If your final transparent color is going to be a cool yellow then a muted warm dark pink might be best as a base color. When you apply the yellow inks This creates a transition between a dull cool orange to a striking bright yellow highlight.
Another way to approach is with complementary colors. If you're final highlight color is say a purple a yellowish base coat or mid coat would be choice. As when the purple covers a complimentary color it makes mud brown which can in some circumstances create the illusion of a color darker than black.
Another idea is to do two mid coats. One 50% white another 190% and then your highlight I'd actually a shade darker then the second midtone (90%). This can create a saturated glowing edge you can also go 0-65-50-100 for a saturated core shadow look.
You just reminded me that I have a ton of bloodborne minis to paint...
Yeah dude. I seen guys doing skellies back in WHFB with this technique, just using stuff like chestnut ink. also Tyler Mengel paints all his stuff this way.
Is it wrong to have tried the translucent paints and to prefer to start with the shade and highlight up with paints and glazes the old fashioned way? Should I embrace the new hotness and abandon the tried and true?!? I feel like it's easier to get decent looking models the highlighting way, but is it just that I'm too old to learn something new?!? This was a helpful video, thanks!
where'd you find the bloodborne minis?
Watching you paint is like spreading peanut butter using a butcher’s knife
hello, what did you use to thin the inktensity paint in the video?
Just water!
You're so dreamy!
Is water the thinner for inktaskics?
Wonderful way to help ppl. If you could drop some colour names for us with partial colourblindness too pls. :)
not even commenting about the slap chop (or grisaille as i heard it, which i like the sound of better) but i love those bloodborne minis ya got there. i've been thinking of picking that game up for the minis alone.
though the statue at 4:49 is technically a ghost, so it was interesting to see her in any color at all lol
The models actually belong to a friend! They told me I am welcome to paint all of their bloodborn models as they own every faction and are happy to get paint on them.
Can you do a segment on dry palettes? I have never heard of this before and would love to know more?
In short: wet palettes work to keep your paint wet by allowing the paint to absorb water through the paper. We don't want wet paint for dry brushing, so you use something like glass, ceramic, or plastic instead so your paint doesn't absorb the water.
Do you have a spare floor tile lying around somewhere? Then you've got your dry palette.
Is there an advantage of this over airbrushing your mid tones and zenithal coat?
Yes, you can do it without an airbrush. Also dry/over brushing gets you slightly different results than you would get with an airbrush.
I'm sorry to ask this - but for the mid-tone gray in step one, which Armory paint color name would that be? "Ash Grey"? "Castle Grey"? (please be kind to the clueless - like me)
Miniwitch, do not get your drybrush wet, yet, stupid question, do you wash it?
What are the figures that you’re painting in this video
I have been using this technique since 2020. It works best if using gray to white, brown cream to white and green to white
It may be me doing it wrong but applying any dark Citadel contrast paint just erases all the dry brushing. I end up having to recess wash and highlight again.
The problems your facing are that not all contrast paints are created equal. there are basicly 3 types of contras paints that GW unfortionedly dos not mark as such. there are the weak ones, barely covering and almost work like a wash or glaze. then there is the mid tone contrast paints that are perfect for slapchop with a good covering, but enough translucentcy to have the effect shown. and finaly you have the heavy covering contrast paints that stain so much, that the translucentcy is lost. Goobertownhobbys and Dana Howl both did extencive tests to show witch colours do what. you should check those videos for reference. ;-)
THAT IS SO ANNOYING.
Was that a Cainhurst ghost girl from bloodborne? I don't remember them wearing blue.
You might want to add "flow aid" to your paints and do you think you might have too much paint on the brush? , I have only tried it on projects with less crevices, but it really stopped the pooling,
In using your WHITE paint; should you use a titanium white - this white paint is very dominant and opaque, or use a MIXING white, that is much less opaque and will not cover your project, lastly there is Zinc white that also not as opaque!
I know that is a lot of different whites, is the white you used opaque? Does that even matter since you are dry brushing ?
Where did you get the bloody crow of cainhurst mini?? It looks very cool
I'm not sure what model you mean?
@@LylaMev it's the mini you're painting at 3:33