How to Slapchop and ACTUALLY Like Your Miniatures
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Slapchop is all about getting your model on the table, fast. But if the model looks like crap, is fast really worth it? Today, I am painting these Kruelboyz in 3 time frames to see where speed and quality overlap to get the best miniature in the shortest amount of time.
Today, I used a dry brush, army painter speed paints, citadel wash, and tamiya panel liner.
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Lyla Mev The Mini Witch creates beginner miniature painting tutorials and easy-to-understand guides for Warhammer, dungeons & dragons, and more. My favorite things to paint are sisters of battle, display quality miniatures, and focusing on having fun. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
I will do a 15-minute slapchop for minis just to get them on the table, but with the recognition that they are not finished. Then later on, I will take them back and finish them with shading/lining/detailing and push them closer to the 40-minute version for army troops, or a few hours for highly detailed character models.
That is my approach
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lol i know right 😂
Love your videos! Hands down, you are the creator most dedicated to showing HOW to paint rather than grabbing attention with grand projects us mere mortals have no chance of reproducing. Thank you!
Lyla; another great video, thanks for all the details. I'm fairly new at miniature painting so it normally takes me an hour or so to paint my miniatures and I'm trying to get better with the details. I've painted approximately 50 miniatures so far and it's slowly getting better and faster. I look forward to your videos as they always show me practical techniques to learn.
this is such a kind comment.
Worth noting-- after each mini, you had something that you'd learned about the process. Over the course of painting a whole unit of these guys, that's a lot of painting and improvement.
I'm still pretty new, I like how you talk through the little oopsies and how you tried fixing them. And now I picked up "Oh I can just paint a white line randomly on the mini to re-apply a new color of speedpaint" so thanks :)
Great comparison, and (as always) I learned a couple of new techniques. For doing tabletop Slapchop, I think your base gray primer is just a bit too light. I totally agree that black has too much contrast, but I've settled on GW's Mechanicus Grey. That seems to work just about perfectly for a 3-4' visual range. Plus, there is a hint of a blue tone which I rather like.
When the 15 minute one looks much better than what I can do in an hour
A great topic, especially for people new to painting. I agree that your 30 min was the best effort-reward ratio.
What wicked little dudes!
Thank you!
@@LylaMevdid you do a video comparing different white colors? What’s the video called? I only know about it because another youtuber painter Dana howl mentioned it in a video where she’s doing a different kind of slapchop called rawchop, she says that you in the video recommended using a higher quality white paint for slapchop and the clip she showed of your vid was showing off Tyranids with different whites dry brushed over them, the golden fluid white being the brightest while the Vallejo cold white (I have that one) was the least bright, Im just wondering what that video is called so I can watch it in full.
Interesting take on slapchop! I especially like the idea of holding a model out to see the details.
Thank you!
I love slapchop, thank you for this beautiful video! ❤
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Looks cool.🖌
Thank you!
I'm surprised you didn't switch to regular paints for the one hour paint job, at least for your basecoats. I'd like to see you paint one of them with regular paint for an hour and compare it to the speedpainted one. Speed paints are fine if you're just trying to get paint on your models and I think they can be added in addition to regular paints, but can't ever seem them becoming my main way to paint.
That is totally fair! I definitely could have done a “If you’re going to spend an hour paint, here is what you can achieve with speed paints vs regular paints.” For speed, I would do techniques like wet blending, which is a lot more advanced. Slap chop is speed to be beginner friendly, so I’m not sure how comparable the models would be!
@@LylaMev y think it would be interesting to find out!
@@LylaMev Sounds like a cool video for the future!
@@LylaMev Having said that, I have no idea how long it takes you to put together a video, so apologies in advance if this makes more work for you.
Here's the thing, spending 30 minutes instead of 15 can easily improve the final result by 2x or more, but at the point where you spend 6 hours vs 12 you're not going to get a model that's twice as nice. Ultimately it's just a matter of deciding the balance of time vs effect that's right for you. Spending 60 hours on a mini to try and win a golden demon might be worth it, but not so much if you just want to get the mini on the table before they nerf it.
Panel Liner is an Enamel wash. You should be able to clean it up with a synthetic brush with some white spirits. Watch some Model Airplane makers use panel liner they just put it everywhere and come back and clean it up with white spirits to leave it crevices like an oil wash. Great video as always though.
You’re totally right, I should have mentioned that!
I'd run a cutip dipped into spirits across it. Kind of like a reverse dry brush to remove unwanted raised wash areas.
I start with a base of Panzer Grey instead of black. I drybrush with different colors including white to give various tones under the speedpaint
This is useful, I've just bought some Kruleboyz the other week. I might give this technique a go after I assumble them soon.
I think you've did well with the green coating on the orc skin of the first model, the undercoat help raise the contrast on surface.
I meant assemble! I just woke up, I was assemble another model last night. 😑
I had far more fun painting these kruelvoyz than I expected!
I like slapchopping my models. Ever since my eye surgery a few years ago, I can't paint the details as well as I used to. So now it's just to get all my models painted, so everything at least looks nicer than grey.
Nice vid! I've been doing about 20-25 min per miniature with slapchop, and that extra 5-10 minutes definitely helps if the mini has more details. If I'm batch painting some of the cheap minis I was gifted for hordes of things, 15 min is plenty since they are low detail. As Lyla pointed out, it's really about what quality you are comfortable with presenting.
Mmm colour theory. Excellent advice
Another thing to consider is you can do a quick 15 or 30 minute speed paint, varnish the mini and play with and then come back later and paint in more detail (though you might want to wash it gently to get dinner oils off if you do).
I think the style of the 15 minute model you painted is my favorite. Plain and simple colors give it a slightly abstracted feeling, maybe a little cartoonish, or maybe like older pixel art where there wasn't space for too many details or too many colors.
Yeah, option three is pretty much my method. I just don’t care for a fifteen minute paint jobs. I actually enjoy painting, so it’s not a chore I just do to get models on the table.
👍👍👍 Thanks for sharing.
I never do any kind of speedpainting, as a hobby it's okay it takes some time. Of course I tried, and the best result I got was 1h30 of painting.
But usually I do a mini in about 6h, and characters in about 10 to 15h tops. It happened that I spent more on minis (for contests for example) but I never painted for more han 30h on a single mini^^
I used your slapchop method on a figure for the first time, and I was so surprised at how easy it was, and how amazing the results were. Is there a way to send you a pic of what I did?
Anyway, I love your channel and I love your work. I’ve learned so much. Thank you!!!! 🙂
I usually batch paint units, but somewhere between 15 and 45 minutes per model is an acceptable tabletop quality. Characters usually see 2-4 hours, but I do want to make some improvements in the next year or two.
I usually spend 2-4 hours of paint time with SpeedPaints and anywhere from 3-8 hours for my character models that use all (or most) acrylics
I am slowly moving towards slapchop as i have been painting small scale historical miniatures (15mm) and its an improvement from bad painting and self loathing.
There should always be time for fur babies. Even your "slap chop" looks amazing.
Really interesting video to see what you can prioritize in a short amount of time! While slapchop and contrast paint methods aren't really for me (I don't paint to get minis on a table - all my games are virtual), I really like the thought process and approach.
I really like your 1 hour Kruel Boy especially! I have some panel liner around, and it makes me want to play around with it!
you can easily combine the 15 mins and 30 mins process. Prime them white from the start so you save the time from drybrushing. Paint the metallics first and apply the wash right after so it seats in the recesses. Paint the contrast/speedpaint after. If you are willing to spend another 5 mins on a single mini, from the top drybrush the edges with a bright color to add some highlights. Take the used speedpaint/contrast colors, thin them down separately with a medium so you get the wash consistency and apply the corresponding color to the edges. And you have top quality table top minis. For my friends and the most of population, even the 15 mins looks amazing, so for playing dont overcomplicate things... you can always come back and make them even better.
That's excellent advice, thanks!
@@adambo6630 after you apply the mettalics, you can use the wash only where you want more contrast. If you think the mini has been shaded down too much, apply the drybrush gently. And forgot to mention, dont drybrush the mettalics coz most likely they will look dust. You can edge hightlight them. Enjoy the process ;)
@@matejkuselj5881 I struggle with speedpainting for very simple reason - careful brush work takes me a lot of time. The shortest I did is around 1 hour. Carefully applying base colours takes me SO MUCH time :( I don't do anything else but speed painting due to lack of time, but still, it takes me a long time. I think I got best results when after zenithal I did a wash of Dark Tone all over and ivory drybrush afterwards - then using Contrasts as glazes. However, I am constantly annoyed by uneven coat of some colours so now I bought Speedpaints as the seem to pool much less than some Contrasts. What do You think?
I'm just getting back into miniature painting and your videos are definitely my favorite. They even inspired me to go to ReaperCon last year. I'm not sure what is meant by "pulling" the colors into a certain direction or why? Can you - or anyone for that matter - provide a little more context for that?
thanks!
If I'm painting a bunch of middling quality board game minis, then I only spend about 15-20 minutes on it. And, I try to only paint about 3 colors. If it's a better quality mini, then I'll go 30. If it's a character, then I take whatever time is needed to get it where I want it.
For speed painting, maybe like 15 minutes.
For a character model I really like, it will literally take me days lol
I typically spend 30 - 60mins on standard infantry. Then I’ll spend as much time as I think I need to on a character.
For mass infantry like morranon orcs I’ll batch paint the whole squad and aim for 20mins per model.
I like Snapchop for skin, makes it easier not having to worry about volumes
I am a little spergy so each and every model I try to get all the specific details done and do my best and its usually 6 hours to get one done over a working week or so.
Plus I paint a bit slow to be careful.
When going over the Speedpaints for highlights, do you use another Speedpaint, or a more traditional style paint?
I use speedpaints with a little of acrylic but still take a very long time because i keep finding things to fix on my tyranids. I am not trying to paint them fast i want them to look good
I wonder how much of a difference it would make to paint the other way around since this could help with the decision making when paiting faster. I mean, starting with the 1h and going down.
There are a few possible factors here and by no means is this an exhaustive list.
At the core is how many miniatures are you planning on painting and for what type of game?
For RPGs you tend to have very low model counts so maybe 1-2 or more hours per model makes sense.
Skirmish games typically have a low model count for each player.
So perhaps an hour per model is reasonable.
If you want to introduce new people to this game, you will also need to provide the models for them as well.
So it might be better to spend 30 minutes per model vs 1 hour since you will be painting two to four times the amount of models.
A rank and flank game tends to have very high model counts.
That same 1 hour per model might take a year or more to paint a single army.
If you want more then one army, then most of your models may never make it past the primer stage.
Another factor is:
Are you a painter first?
Are you a gamer first?
This will really push you in one direction or the other on how much time you want to invest per model.
The last factor I will touch on: Do you need to build and paint up terrain?
Slap chop really was about trying to get wargamers (who is the main focus towards slap chop) past the primer stage to put painted models on the tabletop as quickly as possible.
The nice thing is that slap chop has moved past that initial stage into the realm of people such as yourself who are painters first.
So us wargamers (such as myself) get to see other techniques and considerations when we do paint.
@lylamev - panel lining - I did some research, watched a few videos and I wondered - do you think inks, alcohol or standard artist ones, could be used with a quill pen for the same result?
I understand proper panel liners are enamel based but for what you used it for here, it is similar to old style blacklining, yes?
I was going for black lining, correct! I don’t have enough experience with calligraphy pens and inks to answer, but you could try sugar Candy miniatures on TH-cam or Instagram! They love calligraphy and do it frequently.
@@LylaMev- thank you - I'm watching something from Goobertown Hobbies and he covers inks as part of the options - we'll see what he shows and I'll check out Sugar Candy as well
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I think it might be better to start with the 1 hour and then try the shorter times after. Great video!
Interesting! As in a test to see how much faster I could paint to the same quality?
@@LylaMev maybe not the same quality but I think it would help to know the mini better and where to cut corners for the shorter times.
Cool to see kruelboyz. But I feel like you've done enough slapchop for a life time.
Aww, thanks 😂😂
@@LylaMev😂
IMHO it's not really slapchop. Not enough contrast with the basecoats. I understand your "black undercoat" issue. I've the same. I've tried brown/beige/off-white combination of basecoats, and it works fine ! Ah, and for silver, you could try spacewolves grey. It's sooo good for a NMM silver !
I have no idea how much times it takes me to paint a mini, I'm batch painting If i'm aiming for speed but I don't time myself. But i'm always shocked to see people paint this quick, like in an hour I finished... basecoating ?
Don't know how your pots are, but my Brown Leather Speed Paint was really splotchy. A couple drops of SP medium smoothed things out, though.
I haven’t had any issues with the browns, mostly just the purple s! I think it may be something about that color.
Unfortunately speed painting takes me a long time - somehow careful basecoating is simply time consuming for me. Therefore the quickest paintjob I can do is 1 hour :( This is how much time I need to achieve an effect that You get in 15 minutes :( Any tips?
What is everybody do with the mini's that are finished ?
I use them for dnd!
Play or display or give away
I display them and give some away to friends.
what is dnd ?@@LylaMev
I don't know anyone who want a painted mini @@sebastianwei7721
I made 3 minis about 1 hour with the same result as your 15 minute 😅
My 1 hour looks like your 15 Minutes or even worse. Baut I just started and practice makes perfect 😂
"The more you fu--" I misheard that the first time! I'm not sure there is virtue to even worrying too much about time at some point. Part of the fun is the painting. At at some point you will regret the quality of the finish. Paint the things until you are happy with them. But I am TTRPG player and not a wargamer. So I am maybe not the target audience.
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You’re the best!
I can tell you right away that I cannot spend 15 minutes on a mini. It has nothing to do with quality, and I don't know where the time goes, but my fastest paintjob (slapchop, washes, whatnot) never takes less than 30 minutes and usually takes an hour or more (especially counting finishing details, correcting mistakes, etc).
As for the question "is faster really better", I think it's an underspecified question. "Better" for what? If your goal is to be able to paint something in time for playing with friends, while juggling with family and work obligations, then maybe faster is indeed better? However, if you want to improve your painting skills or win a contest, faster is not better. For me, "faster" is almost always better as long as it doesn't look crappy; my hobby time is severely limited and I want to play with my minis.
Another example: youtuber Wyloch's Armory thus introduced the relevation of speedpaints to him: "I'm not a good painter, and I don't want to get better". Short and to the point. He evidently thinks his time is better spent building terrain, which is where he excels. For him, I'd say "faster" is unarguably better :)
At the end, I talk about how “better” depends on your goal! If you’re goal is just to get them on the table ASAP, then the15 minute version is for you.
@@LylaMevawesome :) It wasn't a criticism by the way, I'm a fan and subscriber to your channel.
I didn’t think it was! I know not everyone gets to the end so I just wanted to share that I talk about your point 😊😊😊
I used to never do less than three hours. Since I was only painting Warcry warbands, or printed display stuff it was ok. But doing my son‘s 40k minis kinda helps me finish faster 😅
I like giving "likes" for silly reasons. Today that reason is my double take, that went like this....
"Do what with a brush?!!!! Oh..."TZ" not "CK". 🤣🤣
Clearly, I need to apply more coffee before I can public.
You are not the only one who thought that 😅😅
Those are some of the most kissable (Warhammer) orcs I've ever seen.
DEM LIPSS
I am not sure why you painted a green-skin, green-blood orc with red lips and cheeks. A darker green tone might have looked a bit better IMHO.
……. That is fair
Not a fan of speed paints or slap chop as i paint to calm the depression monsters and I dont play, that being said great video and take on an issue other youtubers have done. Keep the boss happy with hugs 😅
It’s comments like this that keep me going
Speed paint... Uh 4 to 8 hours.... And display about 25 to 30
I cant believe people are still milking slapchop for content.
go away
Am i the only one who is annoyed with all the "Slapchop 2.0" "don't waste your time with slapchop, do this instead" "is this the new slapchop?" Video titles?
And then it's most of the time just a worse version of slapchop anyways.
Like i understand lyla loves "vibrant" minis, but slapchop starts with black (or a dark color) explicitly to create a larger amount of contrast.
You can do sooo much with the concept. Swap out the black for a complementary color go get vibrant shadows that still have a lot of contrast or maybe take brown instead of black, or a dark green or whatever.
Starting with a light grey and then even adding in shadows afterwards isn't it though.
The video isn't bad at all, i enjoyed it, but these titles and all the slapchop talk and then butchering the method is really something else.
I don't know why this triggers me so hard ...
Interesting! I didn’t think dry brushing over gray instead of black made it not slap chop anymore!
@@LylaMev well, that's not what i said though. There is an entire paragraph stating you can do pretty much whatever.
The issue with "gray" i have is, that this was a very light gray to begin with. You have to do a lot of work to get to a contrast level you are satisfied with. It kind of misses what the method trys to do in the first place. The one coat contrast.
Don't get me wrong, your method is still showing off underpainting well and using it to get great quality in short amounts of time, it just isn't really slapchop anymore. And it doesn't have to be. Slapchop is not the be all end all of speed painting :D
You are a great artist and i watch pretty much all of your videos. In retrospect, my comment wasn't great. i could have left all the ranty part out.
I'm spending 4 hours on 1 model, and it looks worse than your 15min.
The typically annoying clickbait gimmick pixellated thumbnail and automatic clicking of "Don't Recommend Channel" didn't surprise me.
Horrible choice of colors on this paint scheme. Only the flesh looked good.
These models belong to a friend and I did them in their requested color scheme