@@asraarradon4115 "SACRILEGE! SETTRA IS IMPERISHABLE! SETTRA IS SUPERIOR! SETTRA...IS..."*Settra pouts*"...Settra is not good on his chariot and should stay on his giant, stone cat..."
@@sashatalashkin9731 The phalanx was already broken back in Rome 1 ^^ But I always gave them the benefit of the doubt because in the era of Rome the phalanx was actually considered to be overpowered ^^
This is why some Greek philosophers thought everything was made of Air, because sometimes people clipped the geometry and flew into the sky while others thought everything was made of Water, because they'd ragdoll like they were full of it
to be fair he always said on stream. i probably missed a lot of the statments but all i ever heared was the question do you stream it ... and he said no.
There's something weird about unit collision in this game in general. Chariots just roll over everything. Not really about the unit stats per se. Should be patchable though if they just fix how unit mass works properly
Yeah 100%, you can pull your units through enemy units super easily lol to get behind them and then have a depth force attack and the enemy gets an get the "attacked from rear" penalty and breaks. Its hilarious, I love doing it.
I agree even though Troy is probably a more realistic representation of what a cavalry charge would look like IRL TBH. In Warhammer 2, bodies go FLYING when you get a proper cavalry or chariot charge in.
@@Macfierce1 Horses, especially in this super early period, will not charge into a bristling mass of spears. Thats why Cav Squares exist, the horse will rear short, throw its rider and flee, they're not suicidal lol
8:03 did that missile unit try to rotate their ENTIRE FORMATION before turning to run?? “Hey guys, soldiers on the left/right must STAY on the left/right, even in the face of death!”
If it isn't routing, and it isn't responding to an About Face command, then a unit will do just that. It's why I have About Face bound to F, along with other things like Force Melee to E and so forth.
It seems like the chariots are pushing each other through the enemy units. In reality the vehicles would work each other down in no time, because.... CoLLisSIOn!!! But in a game where there is no "friendly melee damage" there is also no risk in this, so... Greek NASCAR for the win, i guess.
It's not even just that. In warhammer 2 units are slowed by each other. Like lords have to push through their own units. In Troy they seem to float between units meaning you can easily push through
@@HotRossBuns Because he wasn't planning to as actually playing it streaming it would probably mean that he couldn't mind but complain about certain features. And him complaining an critising, showing things that are down right stupid and should have been found in playtesting a couple of campaigns or of the bug reports that he personnaly and or others have send in. Would make for a boring or annoying stream for many and wouldn't be good for his relationship with CA. And as he points out there isn't really anything to gain from streaming this new game if he doesn't enjoy it, doesn't enjoy talking about it and doesn't give him (that much) more views. Coupled with other stuff, but mostly him getting annoyed over it I would think. But Legend is way better at this as in the past he always has taken this serie (tw) really to hart and still does. But he no longer is actually angry to see it flounder or see stupid and simple bad shit implemented. As this is his living and he is and has been really passionate about it and he in many way knew better how to fix things or make it more enjoyable for the most part for himself and I'm actually quite sure aswell for the big majority of the players. Still his (bug) rapports or suggestions never actually affected any change in the contrary it very often seemed to be the polar opposite. Which like I said is quite frustrating, especially if it's litteraly your income you see disolve or the game that you "have" to play every day turn in to shit, less enjoyable while you actually know the potential it has and how easily it could be 10x better. In any case this videos are ideal for Legend I think he can have a laugh, it covers the new content partially and it fits his channel perfectly. Meanwhile he is way less annoyed by stuff like thisso he could probably stream it but I don't think he will want and I don't think he will to play it either. (So doesn't enjoy really playing it and straming it but I guess he does enjoy just testing it out as he is doing. To see what is possible and find the cracks and how far he can manipulate it) In every case that is how I see it and I'm fairly sure that most of what I wrote was around the truth. Still it is only my observation and explanation even if I have seen Legend state his opinion about this and related stuff for literal hundreds of hours. :) But of course everything changes and actually last month I was barely able to watch any vids or streams so I'm not as up to date as normally. Probably really overexplained this but well here it is. Have a nice day.
I don't know for how long you've followed Legend, and wether my experiences with him aren't representative of him, but his uploads of MTW2 Venice campaign in 2016 also ended with f*ckers
@@oberonmeister spies can decimate entire armies by spreading rumors poisoning wells. City garrison giving you trouble? Send a spy and he will knock out the garrison to 10% health, next turn he can decimate any reinforcing armies as well. It's completely broken. I've been just having stacks of archers with a few spies tagging along close, it's completely broken. Spies can wipe out armies before they even touch your army.
@Moo Except Legend knows the games in depth and doesn't just search on the internet for some random exploit on some random game he doesn't really play. In some videos it's painfully obvious that spiff has no idea about the games he's playing.
@Moo spiff got nothing on this guy. i tried watching spiff. but he talks to much. some banter is good. but when half your video is the same banter over and over again, it gets boring.
Looking at it, it seems Troy doesnt have that weird thing TWW2 has where if a cav/chariot unit isnt being told to directly attack something, it wont hurt it even if visible collisions are happening. Cav launching units with a charge but doing no damage because theyre attacking the unit behind something is wonky.
Yeah that sucks, Grom the Paunch is the only acception as far as I'm aware he does constantly attack while moving that and some other stuff combined with how it fits for his role in the army makes him way better then he seems at first glance.
Hey mate, can’t wait for your 24 hour stream. I live in Australia so normally can’t catch one. Thanks so much for keeping me alive in these dark times!
the obsession with chariots in total war games is annoying when you read up on the history of their use. they were a thing originally because horses were smaller and thus couldn't easily carry one rider. they used the chariots as a platform to hurl or shoot missiles from. basically they never charged main line infantry. yet total war constantly makes them a cheese machine in almost every game they are implemented in.
@@blabiluigi9549 They were absolutely cheesy in the earlier days of Rome 2. I remember not even recruiting any armies in the campaign, because my general was enough. 1000 kills was the average before they were patched and every swordsman got javelins.
And lo, Agamemnon, in shining mail girded and upon his chariot, sayeth to Achilles: No wine sack am I, see how shall the King of Mycenae lead the charge against Priam's kith. Chariots of Achaea amassed, in fell array, into the Trojan flank dids't they foray. Trojan bows and slings did twangeth and twirleth, to no avail, Achaean chariots on Troy's field did prevail. Sayeth Achilles to Agamemnon after the slaughter: That was a bit anti-climactic, dontcha think?
archers are the second most broken thing. even the tier 1 spear throwers can do seriously damage if you know how to skirmish with them. and then you have chariots
@@clairelili873 On the other hand, shouldn't this work this way? All previous historical TWs had very weak ranged units. It's the first time they actually are this important in battle. In Medieval II you simply take 20 units of best infantry and don't bother with ranged units. I kinda like how it is with Troy, especially since there is no gunpowder or no artillery.
They aren't nearly as op as in Warhammer 2. Way less damage and accuracy, and it feels like the unit speed of infantry is way higher so they close the gap a lot faster and you have less time to shoot at stuff. And besides harpies, all ranges units are laughable in melee so checkerboard isn't nearly as effective. And in sieges you are royally fucked with an archer based army as well. You can still make ranged units work but with chariots and flanking being more viable again actually breaking units and stuff, calling archers op is a big overstatement
I'm glad you're covering this game, you are TOTAL WAR, not just warhammer. I think we all want to see you cover more than one game series/IP. I love Warhammer, I have 2k hours in it now (thanks to you), but I love Total War as a whole...aside from Empire, that game can die in a fire. Thanks for the great content
If you're offering 1 food for 5 turns you don't even have to bother cancelling those exchanges. No cancelled gifts no relations hit. THAT's how much this is broken.
Sometimes i feel like the total war series just stopped caring about unit collision after Medieval 2 and Shogun 2. It's like all the other games are like "yeah, i know that these 2 units are engaged in a brutal melee but i'm pretty sure that they can just ignore them and move away if they want.
The only time it does care about unit collision is when one horseman finds himself stuck in the middle of the enemy formation when trying to pull back after a charge, causing the entire unit to re-engage in combat every time he gets hit.
@@holysword876 true. Horses would stumble and fall with 50 corpses around their feet, and just a few charriots would fail. I believe the Hyksos had a lot more and did use them like this against the Egyptians, but we were not there and can only guess.
It is kinda historical for chariots to be op since during the bronze age all the major powers were having an arms race of who could get the most chariots because they were so strong.
It's not related to Troy but i'd like to see weather effects implemented in the TWW series along with perhaps some effects for night battles such as changes in range or accuracy for ranged units if it's stormy weather or dark. You could also have things like areas that get boggy when it's wet so it slows down troops and drains them faster to exhaustion whilst dropping melee stats. Just made me think about it at the start of the battle when it showed the weather.
After watching your stream and you saying how you didn't want to risk your mental health by going back to a Saga title - it is truly heart warming to see you do this content and enjoy it and get a good response from it. Stay well dude!
But I can't imagine them being cheap and reliable on any terrain. Imagine rolling full speed on these wooden wheels against a line of spearmen. Old time madness really
Thats how chariots should go trough light infantry.. not like in warhammer where largest chariot struggle go trough 2 lines of skaven slaves or goblins... But ofc they need to be balanced some other way then.. maybe lower the dmg?
@@17ftd They were also obsolete in war after horses were bred large enough to ride, Warhammer chariots are effectively slower armoured cars disguised as chariots for the rule of cool.
The LOD system that load assets is a circle with a straight line, they didn't even bother to blend it. They don't rushed the development, they literally jumped over complete phases.
Well that's pretty accurate: if you were to get hundreds of chariots charging like that in the Bronze Age, you'd massacre the enemy. The truth behind the cheese
He's apologizing because he basically snapped at anyone who asked / begged him to cover Troy during his streams over the last few months because "fuck CA" or something. His claim that the videos wouldn't be profitable has also pretty clearly proven to be false too. Happy he took the penalty to his reliability rating and covered Troy, these exploits are entertaining as fuck.
Historically, chariots in the bronze age was for archery and the like - never meant to clash into things, especially not infantry since most infrantry in the bronze age was spears - your horses would be dead in seconds and you would have lost your life and an expensive war asset. Chariots ran down fleeing enemies, shoot them fra afar and and teased enemy units to move and chase them - they were not for doing crazy movie like things. At that time we dont even have evidence of horses willingly charging in battle - it took literally hundreds of years before we had horses breed and trained to do so. I dont care for this game but i hope that one day there will be a bronze age war game that is historically correct
lol. Looks like things haven't changed one bit since Rome: Total War from 16 years ago. Chariots could destroy almost anything in a field battle there just by running back and forth through units. Only elephants or deployed phalanx units could counter them.
The hilarious part is that in Warhammer 2 chariots are stinky, and that's not a historical game. But what do I know, maybe in the ancient times, people really died when a chariot simply touched them.
@@MasterhpIke At least in Warhammer 2 Chariots only have 3 entities per unit on large unit scale. It's like the Devs forgot to change the mass after quadrupling the entities relative to infantry.
@@MasterhpIke I don't know what you are talking about. As long as the chariot unit you are using has more mass than the unit you are attacking it will absolutely demolish the unit and not take any damage running through it. It starts taking damage if it gets stuck.
@@sanderkiki Of course it's an experiment, that's what Saga games are about. It's no more broken than most TW games on release (think of the TW:WH2 cheese on release), and I'd hardly call it boring. Granted, I'll be waiting for a patch before sinking more hours into it, but I do definitely look forward to playing it more.
Imagine if they had like, 2 play testers. It takes days for people to find this game breaking stuff, glaring issues cannot exist without someone turning a blind eye.
@@robinekhoodekful I think he mentioned in a previous video he did help discover other bugs/ect. for them in Troy in testing phase. I just dont get why a random youtuber guy has to play test for a huge game studio. Its almost like development budgets for most games has decreased in proportion to paying non-essential workers like CEO larger and larger amounts.
@@earthyring4393 the excuse is that this was developed by CA-bulgaria, not CA proper. kinda like what happend with mass effect andromeda. ofc that's no reason why they couldn't hire decent playtesters, but it's the line they'll go with
I'm a big Warhammer fan and I also love Troy's setting and theme, I'd definitely like to see more coverage of Troy on the channel even if it's just a side thing to the main content of Warhammer stuff.
I like how the chariots yell "Iceni" upon receiving an order. Not only they didn't bother to test their balance, they didn't even bother to check their voicelines...
They are saying 'For mycenae ' or just 'mycenae' which is because he's playing Agamemnon. They actually say different things depending on which Hero you started with. I think the voicelines are very well done. The unit collision, spy balance, supply lines and AI? not so much...
It's exactly the same blob mechanic that used to be in medieval total war 2 or rome 1 I can't remember. You could just blob your units and tell them to attack again and run over your enemy by sheer mass. Like the units have a mass property that stacks against the enemy unit in contact and because the blob includes all your units. It just runs over them.
meanwhile me: -computer runs tw:w2 on medium/high settings -computer runs tw:3k on medium settings -both with mods -troy on lowest has broken tree and grass models on campaign map
Just going to point out that historically, and I realize this isnt a historical game per say, but historically a Chariot army of the period would completely destroy an Infantry Army of the period. Chariots were the super weapons of the late Bronze Age, of course they'd be using missile fire, not ram and slam like Legend is doing. :)
And then more chariots stack on top of the previous chariots, and then more, and then more, pushing the first ones through any formation they were stuck in. The horses don't seem to be existing entities at all here
@@ingold1470 most of the Warhammer chariots also run into the problem of being too efficient in charging, per model. Although being a fantasy, it's much more acceptable, but they still have the dilemma of having too few chariots per unit to properly make a difference as archery platforms at the same time as adding more chariots per unit would totally break the strong melee chariots.
Legend: You know I'm not really interested in Troy Troy: How about some BROKEN STUFF LEGEND: THIS ONE IS GOING IN THE Book-Warptoken stash !!! (Nervous skaven screeches)
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Legend: "I'm not covering troy"
also Legend: "But I also like broken games"
That troy what you say there
@@regalgiant1597 yeah I just realized :)
Lol its so broken its easy to type the name wrong by mistake
@@slinkerdeer exactly
More like he wants to honor the one true Cheese god.
This is how playing Settra should feel like.
Troy wooden chariot > Burning skeleton God chariot
seems interesting
Are you suggesting other chariots are equal to Settra? Settra does not kneel! No chariots are equal to Settra!!!
Yeah I was going to say that but you beat me to it
@@wraith1066 Not equal. Settra is worse than these.
@@asraarradon4115 "SACRILEGE! SETTRA IS IMPERISHABLE! SETTRA IS SUPERIOR! SETTRA...IS..."*Settra pouts*"...Settra is not good on his chariot and should stay on his giant, stone cat..."
Who would win, a doomstack of end games enemies defending their capital city of which the game is named, Or 19 wheeley bois
Each of which contain 18 wheeley bois. That's a lot of bois.
@@CakeRocketProduction 343 chariot teams to be exact. I included the general.
I do not want to cover Troy, but when you give him this much cheese, he must FEAST!!!
CHEESE FOR THE CHEESE GOD!!!!
CA: the mouse trap is set, press release
Prudent dev: but sir...
CA: trust me.
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hahahaha spot on
"We want infantry to be the focus of our game" -CA
Yep, they was so into balancing the infantry units that they actually forgot about the Chariots
The funny thing is that Rome 2 had chariots that were just as broken.
They literally learned nothing xD
Alioth Ancalagon oh and i remember the broken phalanx at the release of the rome2, it was ridiculously cheesy units to start.
@@sashatalashkin9731 The phalanx was already broken back in Rome 1 ^^
But I always gave them the benefit of the doubt because in the era of Rome the phalanx was actually considered to be overpowered ^^
@@AliothAncalagon unless you get flanked. Bot irl and in game.
Collision wasn't invented back then. Makes sense.
@@bogdanleshenko7149 he meant in trojan times....it was a joke
@@bogdanleshenko7149 troy was before rome though so it still make sense
@@bogdanleshenko7149 The Warscape engine designed for Empire is the basis for all total wars now- there is no such thing as real collision anymore.
This is why some Greek philosophers thought everything was made of Air, because sometimes people clipped the geometry and flew into the sky while others thought everything was made of Water, because they'd ragdoll like they were full of it
@@Dmitrisnikioff makes sense.
Legend: I promise not to cover Troy
Also Legend: THERE ARE NO PACTS BETWEEN LIONS AND MEN
to be fair he always said on stream. i probably missed a lot of the statments but all i ever heared was the question do you stream it ... and he said no.
Not covering Troy was a gift, so no reliability lost.
Just sometimes, breaking one's promises is admirable.
The princes who have done great things are the ones that have taken little account of their promises
Hope he breaks it some more tbh only Total War You-tuber I can watch
@Eulickadese You voted for Clinton? Yikes
@Eulickadese That's pretty sad
When a staunch line of spears just isn't enough 🤷♂️
At least Priam didn't disgrace the (human) race.
What do you mean, charriots are obviously a staunch line of spears, attached to horses and movile platforms.
Local Greek runs over Trojans with a horse and a cart, more cheese to come.
Local florida greek*
Make it sound like a bunch of cheese vendors went on a rampage.
@@unknowngamer9198 And what does that mean?
Me: Damn chariots suck
Legend: Chariots are broken
Me: I always loved chariots
Its not every day you get to see a Tier 3 Doomstack.
He simply couldn't resist the cheese, you gotta respect a man who loves his cheese
*Surtha-Ek wipes away tears*
"It's.... it's so beautiful."
"The age of ranged unit dominance is over, the time of the chariots has come"
There's something weird about unit collision in this game in general. Chariots just roll over everything. Not really about the unit stats per se. Should be patchable though if they just fix how unit mass works properly
Yeah 100%, you can pull your units through enemy units super easily lol to get behind them and then have a depth force attack and the enemy gets an get the "attacked from rear" penalty and breaks. Its hilarious, I love doing it.
I agree even though Troy is probably a more realistic representation of what a cavalry charge would look like IRL TBH. In Warhammer 2, bodies go FLYING when you get a proper cavalry or chariot charge in.
Tim MacPherson that’s cause it is true, chariots were the core of every bronze age army, troy is actually underdoing it
@@Macfierce1 Horses, especially in this super early period, will not charge into a bristling mass of spears. Thats why Cav Squares exist, the horse will rear short, throw its rider and flee, they're not suicidal lol
They don't roll through giants... ;(
"No!!! You can't just blob up all your units!!"
Legend: Haha, chariot stack go vroom
This needs to be visualised
8:03 did that missile unit try to rotate their ENTIRE FORMATION before turning to run?? “Hey guys, soldiers on the left/right must STAY on the left/right, even in the face of death!”
If it isn't routing, and it isn't responding to an About Face command, then a unit will do just that. It's why I have About Face bound to F, along with other things like Force Melee to E and so forth.
It seems like the chariots are pushing each other through the enemy units. In reality the vehicles would work each other down in no time, because.... CoLLisSIOn!!! But in a game where there is no "friendly melee damage" there is also no risk in this, so... Greek NASCAR for the win, i guess.
It's not even just that. In warhammer 2 units are slowed by each other. Like lords have to push through their own units. In Troy they seem to float between units meaning you can easily push through
Chariot use in the ancient time: Taxi.
Chariot use in TW games: Tank.
Actually they were the tanks/heavy cavalry of the Bronze Age, so it is kinda accurate
Its like they didnt even try to balance them.
@@mattiascacchi4281 Nope, Greek chariots of the ancient times were pretty mediocre, and certainly could not be used to smash through ranks.
no, its already tank in ancient time.
but is a Train in TW games
@@jemmymartono9275 Please research about how the Mycenaean Greeks used chariots in battle.
I don't care if the audience will take this as a reliability penalty, I want to know what Legend has to show.
Reliability: *CHEESE*
Well i don't know why he made such a stink about no covering it over and over and over and over when he was going to do it anyway.
@@HotRossBuns Because he wasn't planning to as actually playing it streaming it would probably mean that he couldn't mind but complain about certain features. And him complaining an critising, showing things that are down right stupid and should have been found in playtesting a couple of campaigns or of the bug reports that he personnaly and or others have send in. Would make for a boring or annoying stream for many and wouldn't be good for his relationship with CA.
And as he points out there isn't really anything to gain from streaming this new game if he doesn't enjoy it, doesn't enjoy talking about it and doesn't give him (that much) more views. Coupled with other stuff, but mostly him getting annoyed over it I would think. But Legend is way better at this as in the past he always has taken this serie (tw) really to hart and still does. But he no longer is actually angry to see it flounder or see stupid and simple bad shit implemented. As this is his living and he is and has been really passionate about it and he in many way knew better how to fix things or make it more enjoyable for the most part for himself and I'm actually quite sure aswell for the big majority of the players. Still his (bug) rapports or suggestions never actually affected any change in the contrary it very often seemed to be the polar opposite. Which like I said is quite frustrating, especially if it's litteraly your income you see disolve or the game that you "have" to play every day turn in to shit, less enjoyable while you actually know the potential it has and how easily it could be 10x better.
In any case this videos are ideal for Legend I think he can have a laugh, it covers the new content partially and it fits his channel perfectly. Meanwhile he is way less annoyed by stuff like thisso he could probably stream it but I don't think he will want and I don't think he will to play it either. (So doesn't enjoy really playing it and straming it but I guess he does enjoy just testing it out as he is doing. To see what is possible and find the cracks and how far he can manipulate it)
In every case that is how I see it and I'm fairly sure that most of what I wrote was around the truth. Still it is only my observation and explanation even if I have seen Legend state his opinion about this and related stuff for literal hundreds of hours. :) But of course everything changes and actually last month I was barely able to watch any vids or streams so I'm not as up to date as normally.
Probably really overexplained this but well here it is. Have a nice day.
@@Mahfireballs tldr?
Dont forget that reliability can always recover over time
Troy: Total Chariot
U didn’t call us “fu*kers” at the end, first u cover Troy and now this.u have changed bro
I don't know for how long you've followed Legend, and wether my experiences with him aren't representative of him, but his uploads of MTW2 Venice campaign in 2016 also ended with f*ckers
You should cover agents being able to instantly delete 90% of armies.
Wha... You know what? I'm not sure I want to know about it.
Ah, who am I trying to fool, just tell me more!
@@oberonmeister spies can decimate entire armies by spreading rumors poisoning wells. City garrison giving you trouble? Send a spy and he will knock out the garrison to 10% health, next turn he can decimate any reinforcing armies as well. It's completely broken. I've been just having stacks of archers with a few spies tagging along close, it's completely broken. Spies can wipe out armies before they even touch your army.
@@zackhawn5944 Jesus... I have to try this game now. I was reluctant to install it but I just have to after all this...
@@oberonmeister Oh yeah it's so fun because it's unpatched. Get the fromage boys! I don't think CA is abandoning Troy
@@oberonmeister it was free day one lol you missed it
This should be a new series where Legend covers all broken features and mechanics in every Total War game lolol
Didn't he already upload a video about "top 5 cheese" which shows what you suggested
@Moo Except Legend knows the games in depth and doesn't just search on the internet for some random exploit on some random game he doesn't really play.
In some videos it's painfully obvious that spiff has no idea about the games he's playing.
unocualqu1era yea he tries to compensate by adding 20 minutes of filler “ladies and gentlemen” and bad tea jokes. His channel does not hold up well.
@Moo spiff got nothing on this guy. i tried watching spiff. but he talks to much. some banter is good. but when half your video is the same banter over and over again, it gets boring.
Legend: Chariot Spam is OP
Everyone in the Bronze Age: I know right?
The Bronze Age Collapse: *I'm about to ruin this whole man's career*
Jesus Christ. Settra would be so proud.
Dawi multiplayer mains from Warhammer 2: "First time?"
i feel this
"And I'll see you next time......." Waited and waited but that final word never came :(
Looking at it, it seems Troy doesnt have that weird thing TWW2 has where if a cav/chariot unit isnt being told to directly attack something, it wont hurt it even if visible collisions are happening. Cav launching units with a charge but doing no damage because theyre attacking the unit behind something is wonky.
Yeah that sucks, Grom the Paunch is the only acception as far as I'm aware he does constantly attack while moving that and some other stuff combined with how it fits for his role in the army makes him way better then he seems at first glance.
Legend: "Chariots are broken!"
Me, having ptsd of Britain chariots in Rome 1: "Always has been"
Hey mate, can’t wait for your 24 hour stream. I live in Australia so normally can’t catch one. Thanks so much for keeping me alive in these dark times!
Hello to friends, who live upside down :D
@הנבחרים ישו מת האנשים Yrah but he streams in GMT afaik. so its actually like 3am for him
"I go where the cheese howls" love this phrase!
i did this with only centaur units, they're are little harder to get, but. they dont stop moving.
Chariots are at least stoppable by archer, Centaur is complete cheat.
But Legend, spamming chariots is cheeeeese
But Malekith, getting dwarfs to fight elves for you is cheeeeese
But Malekith, HE IS cheese
@@uselesscasul3164 it wasn't Cheeeese, it was His Majesty's Secret Service.
Malekith but Malekith, His Majesty’s secret service is Cheeeeese
You basically found an Achilles' heel that can take out an entire army
the obsession with chariots in total war games is annoying when you read up on the history of their use. they were a thing originally because horses were smaller and thus couldn't easily carry one rider. they used the chariots as a platform to hurl or shoot missiles from. basically they never charged main line infantry. yet total war constantly makes them a cheese machine in almost every game they are implemented in.
They suck in almost every other game
? They are absolutely meme level terrible in every game, especially Rome.
@@blabiluigi9549 They were absolutely cheesy in the earlier days of Rome 2. I remember not even recruiting any armies in the campaign, because my general was enough. 1000 kills was the average before they were patched and every swordsman got javelins.
@@3st3st77 I don't know how you did that but in my Del campaign merc chrioit got butcher by range unit
@@vass6120 As long as the chariots are moving, nothing can hit them. In earlier versions of the game it was easier to keep them moving at all times.
And lo, Agamemnon, in shining mail girded and upon his chariot, sayeth to Achilles:
No wine sack am I, see how shall the King of Mycenae lead the charge against Priam's kith.
Chariots of Achaea amassed, in fell array, into the Trojan flank dids't they foray.
Trojan bows and slings did twangeth and twirleth, to no avail, Achaean chariots on Troy's field did prevail.
Sayeth Achilles to Agamemnon after the slaughter:
That was a bit anti-climactic, dontcha think?
Archers are broken too, especially under Paris, no need for artillery when you have bowmen.
i might be wrong but aren't archers are kinda bad in this game? slingers feel so much more powerful and have better range
archers are the second most broken thing. even the tier 1 spear throwers can do seriously damage if you know how to skirmish with them. and then you have chariots
odysseus with skirmishers and javellins is also rly strong
@@clairelili873 On the other hand, shouldn't this work this way? All previous historical TWs had very weak ranged units. It's the first time they actually are this important in battle. In Medieval II you simply take 20 units of best infantry and don't bother with ranged units. I kinda like how it is with Troy, especially since there is no gunpowder or no artillery.
They aren't nearly as op as in Warhammer 2. Way less damage and accuracy, and it feels like the unit speed of infantry is way higher so they close the gap a lot faster and you have less time to shoot at stuff.
And besides harpies, all ranges units are laughable in melee so checkerboard isn't nearly as effective.
And in sieges you are royally fucked with an archer based army as well.
You can still make ranged units work but with chariots and flanking being more viable again actually breaking units and stuff, calling archers op is a big overstatement
CA: Troy will be a game focused on the infantry vs infantry combat
Legend: Just spam chariots lol
These chariots are like Zerg, covering and consuming their enemies.
"We are the Guards of Troy, last line to defend our city!"
- Agammemnon: "wheely bois go brrrum"
:D
I'm glad you're covering this game, you are TOTAL WAR, not just warhammer. I think we all want to see you cover more than one game series/IP.
I love Warhammer, I have 2k hours in it now (thanks to you), but I love Total War as a whole...aside from Empire, that game can die in a fire.
Thanks for the great content
You hurt my feelings with Empire...
I love the naval battles there :3
Empire is the best total war after Medieval 2, you cant change my mind
Nobody:
Not a soul:
Agamemnon:
they see me rollin'
They hatin'
"Surtha Ek breaths heavily"
Same happened to me. 1 rebellion had a chariot unit that destroyed me and I was like "damn, gotta try that out myself"
Careful legend, you don't want to get black listed again before warhammer 3 comes out.
If you're offering 1 food for 5 turns you don't even have to bother cancelling those exchanges. No cancelled gifts no relations hit. THAT's how much this is broken.
"You know... if your slow"
Boi I love your comments so much xd
I had no idea the ancient Greeks had weaponized steam rollers!
This is why spear units should have a square formation that destroys mounted units that try to attack them
It doesnt matter if there are no collision to stop the chariots from just running straight over infantry and stun lock them in progress.
Next time Legend makes a promise, remember this day.
Sometimes i feel like the total war series just stopped caring about unit collision after Medieval 2 and Shogun 2.
It's like all the other games are like "yeah, i know that these 2 units are engaged in a brutal melee but i'm pretty sure that they can just ignore them and move away if they want.
The only time it does care about unit collision is when one horseman finds himself stuck in the middle of the enemy formation when trying to pull back after a charge, causing the entire unit to re-engage in combat every time he gets hit.
Ahh i see this is the legend of how try fell. It wasn’t a giant horse. It was a lot of horses.
Troy is a Historically Totally Accurate Battle Simulator
Well, back in the days, charriots WERE kinda op
But they werent used this way, they were op at skirmishing
@@holysword876 true. Horses would stumble and fall with 50 corpses around their feet, and just a few charriots would fail. I believe the Hyksos had a lot more and did use them like this against the Egyptians, but we were not there and can only guess.
Now i get it! The Trojan horse wasnt a big wooden horse...it was the horse pulling a chariot!
It is kinda historical for chariots to be op since during the bronze age all the major powers were having an arms race of who could get the most chariots because they were so strong.
tho they were very expensive and in the end sea peoples fucked them up with foot infantry
Riiight
@@slavywavy They only "Fucked them up" because those kingdoms were already falling, also they were in a shortage of bronze
Hector: Troy will stand!
Agamemnon: WITNESS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It's not related to Troy but i'd like to see weather effects implemented in the TWW series along with perhaps some effects for night battles such as changes in range or accuracy for ranged units if it's stormy weather or dark. You could also have things like areas that get boggy when it's wet so it slows down troops and drains them faster to exhaustion whilst dropping melee stats. Just made me think about it at the start of the battle when it showed the weather.
To be fair, Troy does have muddy patches on the battle maps which slow movement depending on the weight class of the infantry
there's a great mod that does that . day/night cycle and lots of different and lore friendly battle weather
@@dracowar6
Interesting to know thanks. Do you have a name for the mod to make it easier to find?
Shogun 2
After watching your stream and you saying how you didn't want to risk your mental health by going back to a Saga title - it is truly heart warming to see you do this content and enjoy it and get a good response from it. Stay well dude!
"THE CHARIOTS DEMAND BLOOD!!!"
These herds of chariots look like something out of a nature documentary
Chariots slaughtering everything? This is probably the most historically accurate representation of Bronze Age warfare.
But I can't imagine them being cheap and reliable on any terrain. Imagine rolling full speed on these wooden wheels against a line of spearmen. Old time madness really
so i recently dove back into rome 1(still my favourite
Thats how chariots should go trough light infantry.. not like in warhammer where largest chariot struggle go trough 2 lines of skaven slaves or goblins... But ofc they need to be balanced some other way then.. maybe lower the dmg?
chariots were not supposed to be charging enemy though
@@17ftd They were also obsolete in war after horses were bred large enough to ride, Warhammer chariots are effectively slower armoured cars disguised as chariots for the rule of cool.
Playing Troy now. This doesn't work in 2022. Once the spears snare you its over.
Legend, we actually want you to cover this game though.
Don't speak for everyone mate
The LOD system that load assets is a circle with a straight line, they didn't even bother to blend it. They don't rushed the development, they literally jumped over complete phases.
Well that's pretty accurate: if you were to get hundreds of chariots charging like that in the Bronze Age, you'd massacre the enemy. The truth behind the cheese
"Nooo! You can't just erase my army of elite infantry!!!"
"ha ha chariots go brrrr"
The doom stack!!
im glad you're making these videos, i have 0 interest in troy but i love watching you cheese so these are entertaining anyway
dude stop apologizing for covering Troy or TOB lol if someone doesn't like it they don't need to watch
He's apologizing because he basically snapped at anyone who asked / begged him to cover Troy during his streams over the last few months because "fuck CA" or something. His claim that the videos wouldn't be profitable has also pretty clearly proven to be false too. Happy he took the penalty to his reliability rating and covered Troy, these exploits are entertaining as fuck.
Historically, chariots in the bronze age was for archery and the like - never meant to clash into things, especially not infantry since most infrantry in the bronze age was spears - your horses would be dead in seconds and you would have lost your life and an expensive war asset. Chariots ran down fleeing enemies, shoot them fra afar and and teased enemy units to move and chase them - they were not for doing crazy movie like things. At that time we dont even have evidence of horses willingly charging in battle - it took literally hundreds of years before we had horses breed and trained to do so. I dont care for this game but i hope that one day there will be a bronze age war game that is historically correct
lol. Looks like things haven't changed one bit since Rome: Total War from 16 years ago. Chariots could destroy almost anything in a field battle there just by running back and forth through units. Only elephants or deployed phalanx units could counter them.
The hilarious part is that in Warhammer 2 chariots are stinky, and that's not a historical game. But what do I know, maybe in the ancient times, people really died when a chariot simply touched them.
@@MasterhpIke At least in Warhammer 2 Chariots only have 3 entities per unit on large unit scale. It's like the Devs forgot to change the mass after quadrupling the entities relative to infantry.
@@MasterhpIke I don't know what you are talking about. As long as the chariot unit you are using has more mass than the unit you are attacking it will absolutely demolish the unit and not take any damage running through it. It starts taking damage if it gets stuck.
It looks so funny how this amorphous blob of horses and wagons is just rolling around and leaving tattered survivors in its wake
Troy feels like a running gag at this point.
It's not, it's actually a solid game, definitely better than ToB. But it does need a thorough patching.
@@Jandau85 i dunno, it feel extremely underthough and underdeveloper. just a little experement, but broken and boring to play.
An entertaining gag at that
I dunno, I'm actually enjoying the game.
@@sanderkiki Of course it's an experiment, that's what Saga games are about. It's no more broken than most TW games on release (think of the TW:WH2 cheese on release), and I'd hardly call it boring. Granted, I'll be waiting for a patch before sinking more hours into it, but I do definitely look forward to playing it more.
When cheese is this delicious, it would be wrong not too share it
Imagine if they had like, 2 play testers. It takes days for people to find this game breaking stuff, glaring issues cannot exist without someone turning a blind eye.
Imagine if they had Legend play test it. I’m pretty sure he would do it.
@@robinekhoodekful I think he mentioned in a previous video he did help discover other bugs/ect. for them in Troy in testing phase. I just dont get why a random youtuber guy has to play test for a huge game studio. Its almost like development budgets for most games has decreased in proportion to paying non-essential workers like CEO larger and larger amounts.
@@earthyring4393 the excuse is that this was developed by CA-bulgaria, not CA proper. kinda like what happend with mass effect andromeda.
ofc that's no reason why they couldn't hire decent playtesters, but it's the line they'll go with
I'm so glad he's covering Troy. Holy crap I love doing cheese bullshit like this.
Nah, you're not a hypocrite. The situation changed. Turns out Troy was made of cheese all along!
I'm a big Warhammer fan and I also love Troy's setting and theme, I'd definitely like to see more coverage of Troy on the channel even if it's just a side thing to the main content of Warhammer stuff.
I like how the chariots yell "Iceni" upon receiving an order. Not only they didn't bother to test their balance, they didn't even bother to check their voicelines...
They are saying 'For mycenae
' or just 'mycenae' which is because he's playing Agamemnon. They actually say different things depending on which Hero you started with. I think the voicelines are very well done. The unit collision, spy balance, supply lines and AI? not so much...
It's exactly the same blob mechanic that used to be in medieval total war 2 or rome 1 I can't remember. You could just blob your units and tell them to attack again and run over your enemy by sheer mass. Like the units have a mass property that stacks against the enemy unit in contact and because the blob includes all your units. It just runs over them.
meanwhile me:
-computer runs tw:w2 on medium/high settings
-computer runs tw:3k on medium settings
-both with mods
-troy on lowest has broken tree and grass models on campaign map
Blobbing up with chariots would cause the scythes to maim the other friendly horses around them.
There weren't any scythes chariot back then anyway.
Just going to point out that historically, and I realize this isnt a historical game per say, but historically a Chariot army of the period would completely destroy an Infantry Army of the period. Chariots were the super weapons of the late Bronze Age, of course they'd be using missile fire, not ram and slam like Legend is doing. :)
This is actually happening in the first stages of the game when your chariots are not so good.
"That does not look fun to me... Then again, you are very broken" - Cheesebeard
>"There's no collision in Troy"
>Chariots run into infantry unit and immediately stop.
And then more chariots stack on top of the previous chariots, and then more, and then more, pushing the first ones through any formation they were stuck in. The horses don't seem to be existing entities at all here
@@houndofculann1793 Must be like Warhammer chariots, which are basically slower cars.
@@ingold1470 most of the Warhammer chariots also run into the problem of being too efficient in charging, per model. Although being a fantasy, it's much more acceptable, but they still have the dilemma of having too few chariots per unit to properly make a difference as archery platforms at the same time as adding more chariots per unit would totally break the strong melee chariots.
@@houndofculann1793 Chariots being viable at all in a setting as technically advanced as Warhammer would require some magical aid!
@@ingold1470 I think the Fantastic Beasts and the Ability to Find Them already helps a lot
An army of LAWNMOWERS going through a moving field of grass.
At the end of the day covering Troy will get you subs and views and likes. No reason not to do it
This proves the importance of the unit cap rule from warhammer table top.
"I wILl NoT CoVeR ToTaL WaR TrOy" - Legend
*PTSD Flashbacks of British & Egyptian Chariots in Rome 1*
Play whatever games you want man, I just enjoy the content you make, simple as that.
Legend: You know I'm not really interested in Troy
Troy: How about some BROKEN STUFF
LEGEND: THIS ONE IS GOING IN THE Book-Warptoken stash !!! (Nervous skaven screeches)
Legend : I won't cover Troy
Troy : We have so many cheeses
Legend : I'll take your entire stock!
When the automatic video resolution goes below 720, it looks like all those units are having a Dutch Flag under their banner.
As much as I like total warhammer. I really like seeing you cover other games
Also, showing us videos of how broken Troy is is definitely entertaining as hell.