Hattori have no chill
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Player Hattori: can barely field 5 yari ashigaru without going bankrupt
AI Hattori: Infinite stacks of NINJA SAMURAI that can bypass deployment zones whilst holding only 2 cities
True. I have noticed this in my playthrough on Shogun 2. I can barely afford an army of levy infantry and yet my opponent has like half an army full of line infantry and some cannons?? With the same # of provinces as me too lol.
AI cheats can get disgusting yes.
AI get bonus money and men.
@@MikesLeagueI've never understood that. I always look at the enemy in Shogun II and wonder "wait, does It mean by this amount of turns I should already have this? Where did I fuck up?" And I fall in an endless spiral/loop of self awareness about my capabilities in Shogun II
@@VG111-n7fis that confirmed or players just suspect that?
Thanks for playing my save Legend! I was controlling large army in my attempts and yeah, I was getting overwhelmed. I couldn't re-man my walls like you could and lots of avoidable mistakes were slipping through, compounding by the end of the battle. That trick of setting up your general behind the fort is awesome, I'm going to try that myself in future. Thanks for showing me the ways of a true total war legend, I learnt a lot! (I just hit 1000 hours, I feel called out)
Go watch Volund impossible battles. There is soo much you could have done better to have a better set up.
-In very hard/legendary, bows are crap, and enemy bows shots are soo deadly. Only real use is to inflict asimetrical damage, by shoting from the walls and them not shooting at you. You do this by getting on the walls later, when they already have set a target on another unit, inside or outside the forth. If the target moves (your units) the shots dont land...
-That being said, you should spam more melee infantry than bows. As legend said, bows are insanelly boosted.
-Only some units have upgraded armor... should be most of them. At least the objective. Or like +4 attack +2 armor for yari ashigaru is pretty OP. Same for +20 accuracy for bow ashigaru. You can use experienced units to replenish upgraded ones by draging one on the other in the campaign map.
-You can provoke uprisings to happen, to train your units in a controlled enviroment. If there are no units in the province, the uprising is small. The more units you have, the bigger the uprising. Max is a stack of 20. You can easily wipe that with autoresolve if you got 2 stacks. I say this, because even if you control a large territory, your units are pretty unexperienced.
-You dont really need to expand that much. You already control very rich provinces. They should be very upgraded, the ones with very fertile soild shold get a metsuke, fully upgraded on city managment, for extra income, and an upgraded market. The ones with a bonus to units, dedicated only for units. This is optimization.
-You are the one that should choose the battles you want to fight. Would have been easier in a larger castle. Most cities in general are disponsable, and recapturable. So you can wait in the forests instead of staying in casles. Then going 2 vs 1. 4 times.
Thanks for the awesome replay!
He could've done an even better job by single file spreading out the gunners. The second rank doesn't shoot while placed on walls.
Looks like a fun campaign! But seeing bow ashigaru instead of the daikyu and bow monk hurts me haha
The main general is the one with the fanciest flag (the crescent-shaped thing on top) so you did hit him but he didn't die. In Shogun 2 I have found that the enemy general will sometimes be the only survivor and will slink away unscathed. However, for the player sometimes your general's unit will get hit by a single arrow and your daimyo falls over dead in what can only be categorized as a shameful display.
He definitely died, because his unit was wiped out. The aide de camp just didn't feel like mentioning it for some reason. Generals get extra hitpoints the higher rank they get. I've regularly seen Rank 6 Oda Nobuhide escape death by himself time and time again after his entire bodyguard died.
Interesting fact, generals cannot be killed unless their bodyguard has lost at least half its men. It means that, on ultra unit scale, you can use your generals as aggressively as possible so long as you keep their number above 20.
@@AvengerAtIlipa REALLY?! That is a fascinating piece of information.
@@AvengerAtIlipa No way... I never knew that. Sometimes during desperate battles I banked everything on killing their general and he limps aways with all his bodyguards dead. Super frustrating
it's pronounced "SHAMEFUR", and you are legally required to pull back the corners of your eyes when you say it
@@HungTran-cv9jt I once won a heroic victoryh in a hopeless defensive siege battle by desperately charging a unit of Yari Ashigaru at the General's Bodyguard, and they managed to kill the general. The morale penalty from that caused the entire enemy army to rout.
In Shogun 2, Generals are more of a liability in battle than an asset. It's SO easy for them to get killed, and the consequence are brutal both in the battle and on the campaign.
Hattori have no chill because they have the hardest start position in the game and access to all the best of the sneaky ninja units.
uesugi or tokugawa have in my opinion the roughest starting position. hattoris starting position is actually not that bad.
The special ninjas are actually worse then everyone else’s. Old bug
They have forward deploy on all their infantry units and pay more upkeep for it as well.
You can capture Kyoto on turn 1
@@npbarnhill Capturing Kyoto T1 is just suicidal in Shogun 2, the only reason you do it is for the challenge.
Player: "Alright, I just got my 10th city and have my income fully built up. I can afford... let's see... I got two armies of yari, I think I'll treat myself to an army of two samurai and a cavalry. Oops, going to have to start raiding to afford that..."
The AI with one city: "Ten thousand units are ready, with a million more well on the way."
"Looks like these guys are having trouble running off the battlefield, I'll go help them." Legend is so thoughtful.
A tip for using matchlocks on walls: Only 1st row of them are actually shooting, so you want to spread them by clicking and holding move order and while holding drag it across the wall, they should spread in 1 row as wide as game allows, then you press "R" to make them run.
After matchlock are in their position you can add bows to utilize 2nd row
UPD it is reavealed that using bows on 2nd row after the guns doesn't exactly work as I would like
so you maybe better of just putting them manually as close to the walls as possible
Never though having archers as a second row, though I did use 1-row gun line on the wall :3
I always surprised how much utility guns have in this game and how much they affect your playstyle.
it especially interesting when you focus your army on it (playin as Ottomo for example)
Only the 1st row of castle walls will shoot the enemy, bows or guns
I'm pretty sure bows won't shoot in 2nd row either so it's pointless. But yeah, spreading ranged units on wall is optimal. The surplus can just shoot from inside the castle as normal.
@@dragonbrother7831 You made me doubt myself so I went and checked
The bows shoot from both rows when you place them in 2 rows as a single unit but if I send 1st row 1 guns and 2nd row archers they refuse to shoot UNLESS enemy unit is high enough above the heads of guns (which is rare in sieges to say the least but can happen if the terrain Is flat enough)
So individual archers are fine with shooting over the heads of the archers inside their squad, but refuse to shoot over the obstructing heads of other units (guess arecher's heads are smaller lol)
@@dragonbrother7831Bows will fire from both rows, Guns only fire from the first.
The thing with Yari Cav is that they are shock cav. You can't leave them in melee for longer than 10 seconds, unless it is against over cav.
This. Use katana cav instead for melee staying power
@@z54964380 Katan cav is not as good as people think. They will of course be ass-whopped by yari cav cause of the bonus vs cav stat. And on top of that there is a hidden speed difference. Yari cav is faster.
@@z54964380 This but throw katana cav to the dustbin. There is very few situations when you want staying in melee as cavalry rather than shatter the enemy with impact, or just cycle charge.
Same with Light Cav (but their even WORSE, but MORE SPEED), and if i recall Grate Guard as well.
@@jaywerner8415 yari and light cav are same speed
katana cav and general are slower
others I don't remember but I imagine great guard also as fast as yari cav
edit; only light, yari, fire and Shizugatake are fast cav.
All other cav including other clans unique are slow cav.
There's 2 videos with running speed tests on yt
What do you mean Ashigaru have poor morale? *Laughs in unbreakable Yari Ashigaru defending the fort*
One of the best mechanics of medieval 1 was that you could cycle through your reinforcements so the units you needed came on when you needed them to.
This is a certified Hattori moment.
Loving the recent historical TW videos.
One way to identify the actual general/unit commanding the army in Shogun 2 is to look out for a unique icon at the top of the unit's battlefield banner. For example, in this battle at 17:45, you can see the dismounted Hattori general has a islam style crescent at the top of his banner/flag while the family member that is commanding your army has a fan/leaf like icon at the top of his banner/flag. This icon tends to be random for each battle and can change for the same general across battles but the commanding unit on each army (can be any unit non family infantry/cavalry etc) for sure will have some type of icon
One trick you can use in defensive sieges like this is to 'pull' enemy archers closer by having them shoot at idle units. The AI loves to target units that aren't manning the walls, and prefers not to swap targets, so if you leave a less-important unit right behind the walls to get shot at, you can then run them back a bit and the enemy archers will move up to chase, entering your killzone. Especially useful if you're using lower-range matchlocks.
Wow, all of those corpses! Just LITTERED the battlefield. 💚💚
Nice to see Hattori conquering half the map, love those dudes
love ur vids!
@@itsthatboidepression6527 thanks lad I appreciate it!
Date are actually much scarier, maybe it's just my own experience but once I had to face them as hatakeyama, their high xp samurai stacks almost kicked my ass, if it weren't for my gunpowder + ashigaru tactics I would've been trampled.
Inspired by recent Medieval 2 content, I've played a couple of campaigns of it recently (that is to say, a dozen or so turns required to capture all rebel provinces, defeat one or two nearest rivals, and become untouchable in all metrics such that it feels pointless to continue) and looking at the smoothness of S2 unit controls, I'm jealous. I guess that's what I'll be playing next.
shogun 2 and fall of the samurai are the hardest total war on legendary difficulty, especially the realm divide at the end so it's not pointless to continue
I really recommend it, but you gotta approach Shogun 2 a bit differently. It's a very Rock, Paper, Scissors game and everything, from units in your army to what buildings you build in your city have to be very decisive. You don't have money to spare like in Medieval 2 and usually battles and wars end in a single meaningful move that could make or break your entire campaign.
If you can get the hang of how Shogun 2 works, it's simply the best game of the entire series, where being smart and tactical will be HIGHLY rewarded.
The overall general always has a special icon at the top of his banner, which disappears when he dies. In this battle, it was the general with the crescent.
I have about 500 hours in this game and I have never seen the Hattori this powerful, they usually get wiped out early in the campaign.
In this episode, Legend defeats evil ninjas with the power of Friendship, Bushido and these guns he bought off the Nanban!
A year ago or so I've ran all 3 campaigns coop
One of the most annoying aspects of it was that if you generals die, poof, have fun playing the game without any until they grew up or you get one by promotion.
Meanwhile if you wipe out the AI clan, they just spawn 3 more generals immediately.
What i usually do is put Yari Ashigaru in yari wall and super close to the wall. That way they are 90% safe from arrows and when enemies climb the wall the spearmen wall kill them one-by-one. I tested, and a single Yari Ashigaru unit can easily kill 5 katana Samurai units with minimal losses. You really need Yari Ashigaru to win this game, nothing else!
Though If you really want you can have archers / gunmen holding the walls until the enemy start climbing to soften them up, but retreat them just as the enemy get close and enjoy the slaughter.
The Yari-mazing moniker is so accurate, you can turn a supposed absolute disaster into a heroic victory if you have enough spear boys.
The main generals in Shogun 2 are always the ones with the extra icon on top of the unit banner(This icon is different for each faction). And that was him at 17:02. You did kill him. Just that the game didn't announce it
That is a big scrap, and to be battling over this level of fort, a real bloodbath to be sure. I've always loved that little bridge at the back but never actually used it as part of my defence.
Fuckin nice work Legend, that was a hard battle, and you made it out with literally half the army unused. That was as clean as it could have been done.
This is a great series, always great to see a master at play
The tactic of putting your generals outside within a yari "stronghold" is a genuinely nice tactic, kudos! That being said, the main advantage was probably gained by not controlling large armies...
Good Job,
Personally i prefer this kind of chesses/fight, compare to the one lord/hero running around to bait arrow, or corner campaign
Many the time I've been in the exact opposite of this situation as the Hattori. Love forward deploying on that left hill-side with Naginata or Katana samurai and charging down the hillside before the opponent can organise. They'll swiftly take out the forces there, and can then get back up to help the fort fight, or stay in the trees to ambush reinforcements coming up the hill. In this case, I'd likely try similar, but that extra ground they'd have to cover will be tough. Be interesting to see what Legend does though.
I think my most fond battles have been with the Hattori due to their Vanguard deployables. That includes the time I had some Katana cavalry that I used on a siege defense where they stopped some ashigaru units at a narrow mountain pass to one of the doors, and later in that same fight I used them to pull away a Yari samurai unit into the river where I had them dismount at a safe distance so the horses don't run away and forced the Yari samurai unit to fight in the river while the dismounted katana samurai fought where at the edge to not let them into dry land.
Pretty fun and memorable for me since it almost felt cinematic.
Notorious aggressive Hattori AI: Also Legend your general has the Stand and Fight ability so that provides a bonus to all troops nearby, it’s not bad to use generals offensively but the general that has that ability you want to have them remain inside the castle supporting the infantry.
Big tip for Shogun 2: On harder difficulties, the AI uses trade routes to spy on you. They'll ask for a trade agreement, and if you agree, they get to see your capitol and other cities along the route. If you don't have a large army sitting in your capitol, They'll view you as weak and then declare war within a torn or two after the trade agreement. It's really fucking annoying but also accidently clever lol
Is there proof of this because it sounds made-up. The AI, afaik, is basically omniscient and always knows what you have and where unless it's in ambush mode.
This actually makes sense 😂.
I've always wondered why the Oda or Takeda would choose to declare war on me playing as Shimazu or Otomo even when I was nowhere near their borders. Shogun 2 AI logic at its finest. Reasons why I usually dont rely on trade in this game
Same as above always curious why they’d volunteer for the stomp bus after trading with the strongest faction.
Also curious how the primary comment is 3 hours ago and the first reply is 5 hours ago…
@guyincognito1406 it says 3 replies, but I only see you two, so idk on that. As for the ai, the only thing I can think of is something about the act of seeing no army in the capital, which means you're vulnerable to surprise naval assaults. The problem with that idea is that most of the time (70% imo) they won't do a naval invasion. They'll try to get to you by land. Sometimes, they do everything right and have caught me off guard with 3 or 4 armies suddenly landing way in a rear city while him and their massive alliance keep the war going up front. It's fun when it does happen, it's just not very often
@@MrAdamArce lol yt must have ghosted my reply for some reason. Not sure why, it contained nothing offensive.
I asked if this is confirmed or not. As far as I know the computer always knows what you have regardless of treaties unless your units are hidden ambush.
Shogun 2 makes me remember why I used to play total war games a lot
"Gotta pay more attention" as he's fighting a 3 front battle
Im glad Legend is showcasing more Shogun 2 gameplays, its my first Total War game and what got me into the series!
I love it when you get random, “nice”, General Legend saying things like, “Fire into them, if you will”. Stop being nice, Legend! 😂
Tip for killing shattered enemy: just stand in their way
I find it surprisingly effective in Shogun 2
Shame it's the opposite in Rome 2, having pulled off a hopeless encirclement just to watch a third of the enemy army get away is pure pain.
I'm not sure if this is different between vanilla and the unofficial patch mod, but with the unofficial patch at least, if you move units outside your walls they can break and flee off the battle field. Doing that with some bow ashigaru that are out of ammo could have gotten you reinforcements with the potential of not wiping out your units.
Matchlocks are such insane force multipliers, give them some time and they demolish everything.
@Legendoftotalwar You can see what general is commanding by the small symbol on top of the banner in Shogun 2. The one that you weren’t sure was the main commander was the main commander as visible by the small crescent moon he had on top of the banner
Very significant tip about shogun by the way. Stamina just straight up doesn't do anything to infantry, Fresh or Exhausted they perform the exact same. This isn't true for cavalry however
Small nitpick - for gun units in Shogun II when placed on the wall only the first row will fire. To maximize damage output its best to spread them on the wall to only stand in the front row (click and drag mouse when placing them on wall positions), and fill the back row with archers or melee units.
Ideally you want to cover walls with front row guns, back row melee, and then archers behind the wall in normal or loose formation to shoot over the wall.
The placement can be a bit finnicky though.
"Pyrrhic Victory" Shogun has no chill
I guess it just counts his remain troops, and somehow doesn't get he just fought off like 60 regiments. Not to mention this is before 40 units was a thing so the reinforcements didn't even come in.
Shogun 2, the only TW game where units actually shoot from the castle walls. It's amazing that they still can't manage that in WH3. But we got "dockable areas", so it's fine, right?
No.
What i love bout legndary shgun 2, is ho the a.i gets 1,200 "koku"(Cock-U) free per settlement they own per turn. That's how thy field those doomstacks. I love it. Legendary shogun 2 makes you earn the campaign win.
AS an avid shogun 2 plyer, the battle you are in, as choskobe isn't TOO hard. It's far from easy, but a good legendary player should win it most times. With the choskobe (and the christian faction) it is about creating kill zones for your missile units. Yari spear walls, micro management of infntry, micro of bow. Bows at the walls, retreat before enemy climbs. referably another line behind them on the higher walls both covering the retreat, and if you like the field, yari ash spear wall ready to block the enemy in the new kill zone.
Fire and maneuver. Fire and maneuver.
Thir strategy is very similair to venice, M2tw in hard siege defences. Setting up kill zones for your crossbows.
Then you want to hit the fire arrows en masse at single units when they get close to wavering.
Keep your katana samurai as flankers to your yari ash, to also break morale.
At the last castle tier, you want you will likely need to back yourself into a corner, and use all infantry to form a new line to defend missiles.
I love this game so much, the only 3 clans i hate are Oda, Tokugawa (Gross) and Mori, on legendary. Mori, considering naval combat is useless on legendary unless you get european sails + cannon, and tokugawa, diplomacy is heavily weighted against you on legendary so their boosts are pretty weak, and Oda is basically a constant do or die campaign, with enemies on every side.
I love how experience was so relevant in Shogun 2.
The soundtrack of this game is so captivating
Masterful display. Glorious victory.
>legend likes cheese
legend is skaven confirmed
This gets me so nastolgic for Shogun! I gotta redownload this and get it modded up!
What? Didn't know that units inside the walls have unlimited morale. This definitely changes my strategies now.
Siege defense with guns in Shogun 2 is orgasmic.
damn i was looking forward to that big ass battle, but this was incredibly efficient.
I generally like pulling my gun units on shogun 2 in a straights line for any battle as they all will fire instead of just the front 2 lines , enjoyed the bridge trick ive used it before for pulling cav across it to flank the other side.
Love these Shogun 2 videos. It is by far my favorite total war game. It lacks in very little compared to many other titles. Shogun 2 is the only total war game I can play without the need of mods
Such a great game. The weight of it, the balance. Just perfect.
Best part about shogun two is that the AI would actually send concentrated force at defended castles and it leads to epic siege battles. This is completely different in my experience from TW:WH where the AI just wants to avoid your armies at all costs and soak up any and all undefended territory it can get it's grubby little mits on.
I know you haven't played as much Shogun 2 Legend, but would you be interested in perhaps trying a campaign like one Volund started and never finished? Mainly the campaign where he took Kyoto on turn 1 as the Hattori?
Seeing someone do that and then manage to somehow complete the campaign would be amazing!
Those guns really did some good work
I wanted you to make a video on how you micro. For example, how do you keep a units spot highlited on the ground (where you sent them and the formation that you selected) even when you have other units selected so you can put them in exectely the right place and leave no gaps in a line for example. You have great micro and I think I just cant play well because of that micro.
I get anxiety just looking at the stacks
why?
This was my save game! Honestly, whenever I manage to get a massive battle such as this, I feel kind of proud that I made it to this point in the campaign. It truly feels like Total War.
@@udozocklein6023just cause that usually means my shit computer is going to have a good time running it 😭
@@raven-dq6oxhell yea man, that’s the best feeling ever, I recently beat the game with takeda by using Calvary based armies it’s good overpowered fun
If the moral of a defending unit inside the fort is very low and it would otherwise break, you can run them out of the fort and so they will break. they are only immune to moral loss inside the fort. On the other side, these samurai had a really high level, propably to much base moral for breaking without getting hit.
Man I wish Shogun two worked on my rig.
Nice and massive battle! Shogun 2 protrays the "field of corpses" vista better than the warhammer series imo.
Not gonna complain about "cheese", but I would like seeing you giving this a shot with controlling large army enabled.
Legend using control groups... thats it... we've reached the end of the world xD
Damn i love Shogun 2 so much, to me it was the last great Total War game, except for maybe Warhammer 2.
Love these older games, its made me re-install med2 so I can try EB2 again 😁
Random thought; Chosokabe Bow Hero = CA'S Prototype Jezzails.
The Hattori may not be a real clan, but you gotta respect the hustle.
Glorious carnage.
thanks for the videos and guides you post, but i dont understand why you dont intentionally run the expended archer units to the border and use white rout flag to get them to run off field safely and get new units on. thanks again for the videos
You can't do that during a siege fight. The withdraw button is disabled.
Hm, interesting, i never even given thought not to controlling large armies, i always do that
Would it have been possible to retreat the Bow Ashigaru off the battlefield? Or does that not work on Sieges?
Can't retreat units during a siege.
@@LegendofTotalWar Thanks, loving the Shogun 2 videos.
No don't shoot me, don't shoot me!
Lol
Control large army isnt really cheese. In a real fight the second army would be maneuvering around making committing all forces to the siege a bad idea. So keepings your maneuvering army would force the opposing force to maintain a maneuvering army in the attempt to protect their sieging armies flanks.
This one was really good!
How about Shogun 2 legendary campaign livestream? Could be normal or fall of the samurai.
Honestly if anyone calls what happened in this battle cheese then they don't know what cheese is. The gate bug is cheese, this is just good tactics
I never liked how fragile General units are and how punishing it is to lose them. Almost every time I've ever sent a General's Bodyguard into combat, I've wound up losing my leader. The army leader is just an individual in that unit, and an unlucky arrow barrage can kill him even if the rest of the unit is still alive.
Shogun 2 was my first Total War game, and that experience is part of why I spent all of my time in Warhammer 1 and the first half of my time in Warhammer 2 being afraid to actually use my leader units in battle.
Well, the game outright screams the general can easily die:
"Your general is in great danger milord, he is too important to lose!"
They are a tad bit stronger than regular units but still regular humans.
Personally I prefer this old way, leaders gives strong support bonus to the troops while there is the need to protect them and even the opportunity to massively weaken the enemy by killing their commander. The superhero generals from the modern titles is something kinda weird, I remember seeying a video of a dude defeating and army of 10,000 men with only 5 dudes in 3 kingdoms.
@@edersonnico I mean to be fair the super-generals are part of the theme in the games where they are present.
Super powerful heroes and leaders are part of the warhammer setting, and also part of the 3 kingdoms setting.
I’ve played enough dynasty warriors to know that 10k regular dudes don’t stand a chance against 5 Three Kingdoms generals lol
Infantry in Shogun 2 don't get any debuffs from being tired (apart from morale), unlike cavalry. There is a mod on the workshop called 'Fatigue fixed' that fixes it
"CA Please......" Heir Of Carthage.
This makes me wonder, when is a large battle in total War too large?
This map is more interesting than just about all of Warhammer
The general of the army should have a little thing at the top of the pole of his unit flag while non commanding generals do not
I freaking love shōgun 2
What is it with spam bots filling up the comments? been seeing this more and more lately.
TH-cam moment
defeat 4 armies with one army only losing 1 unit of peasants. game: "pyrrhic victory"
Not to mention Shogun 2 is Before 40 units was a thing, so the Reinforcements didn't even COME IN. So i guess its just counting the troops he has left. But yeah, THAT deserves to be a Heroic Victory.
I like how they updated this game in 2023 to remove chat and accidentally fucked up the loading screen map. Showing their great competence and now they don't even have time to fix it and just leave it in.
we need another shogun playthrough
love it!
Nobunaga would be Proud
It's always somewhat amusing to me that the morale of units is so bad in Shogun 2 that the break so quickly, and army losses make entire full strength units break in the face of units they can beat. I've even had my units break and rout when the battle is already won and I'm just running down fleeing troops - given that they're 'supposed' to be the culture for whom surrender is more shameful than death. Makes the battles super short and a bit unsatisfying at times.
jesus christ you really will make me install shogun2
This was fun!
A shoutout to @MrSmartDonkeyLP that is a god in this game.
I never got into Shogun 2 because of the engine only allowing one-on-one combat (when my army got in a ring around the enemy general and attacked him one at a time, it irrevocably broke my suspension of disbelief and turned me off the game forever), but damn is it a pretty game.
I managed to get 20k on the field but I can't play the battle nore can I auto resolve the fight as the game just crashes.
I did use mods to reduce upkeep to see how abusive I could be to the ai but that's it
I wonder how come handguns kick ass on walls in this game but not warhammer?
Wow, not gonna lie...these Sieges look way more entertaining than all of the Sieges in Total War WH. Which mostly end up in big grind in nothing and fighting on superficial big walls. But this feels way more organic
👏🙂
Epic battle
I would have let the bow ashigary get killed as soon as they ran out of ammo. This dyde has katana samurai with gold level armor. He prob has a few settlements with enough recruitment slots to replace a 20 stack of ashigaru in 1 turn
Fatigue in shogun 2 doesn't affect infantry melee stats or movement speed.