'What Evidence Do You Have...?': Moderator Asks Vance For Proof That Migrants Raise Housing Costs
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- At the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate on Tuesday, Sen. JD Vance (R-OH) and Gov. Tim Walz (D-MN) spoke about the issues surrounding high housing costs.
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another bunch of bias moderators. Vance held his own and he was the clear winner.
Vance destroyed Walz !
He gave the proof and we all heard it, Margaret.
Shame on these “moderators”.
The moderators were fair this debate lol. They handed Walz some tough questions he struggled with, like on his trips to China
Again, the moderators against the republican !
But when they think they've given him a tough question then he cites a FEDERAL RESERVE study that backs up his statement- he wins that point!
@@Kim-ng7sl did walz lie?
@@theentrepreneur607 No. When asked about his stay in China, he said that he knew where he had been in China and it could e a messed up in the dates.
@@theentrepreneur607He said at 0:10 that border crossings are down since Trump left office.
@@gotoalex100 is it true? Come on man are you blind to see what’s going on?
Worst moderator
Snowflakes crying
@kietngo3654
What you talking about Willis? Talking about how Democrats cry everyday? And yes I agree with you! But if you're trying to turn our terminology against us? it doesn't work that way, this is not kindergarten!
@@douglaskriever6904we built America 🇺🇸
@@kietngo3654if Fox ran the debate you would be the biggest snowflake ever 😂
@@kietngo3654funny how commies never hold debates anywhere they might actually be asked a question for once.
It's really not the government's job to build housing with tax payer money, then give those houses away, or provide loans to people who will never pay them back.
Why didn't anybody bring up all the homeless veterans? Give a house to an illegal while our veterans sleep in the streets.... disgusting.
@@braddouglas7839 Just like in the UK
The only part of waltz debate which I agreed with was “I’m a knucklehead”
To sum it up, Walz only argument, like with most dems, is “Trump did it”….
MSM bias on full display. still pushing global warming...
@@ryanr3071 Which debate did you watch😂😂 because while he did say it, it was MINIMAL compared to vance attacks on Kamala.
@@Kim-ng7sland for a reason. The country is in the dumpster. One is currently in control of power. It's who you hold responsible, you know, like the left did in 2020 while they burned the country down.
@@Kim-ng7sl “MINIMAL” ok, if you say so. Vance told the truth but i guess that’s an attack in your eyes. Also, Walz lied about a number of things from incorrectly quoting a bible verse to saying he in Hong Kong near Tiananmen Square when the demonstrations happened and even the moderators caught that lie. So yes i watched it. Dude even said he was friends with school shooters. He’s a joke and Vance dominated that debate. Agree or not
@@ryanr3071 It’s not an at all an attack in my eyes, but to if you didn’t see or hear vance blaming Kamala for the so called border crisis, I guess you will NEVER admit that trump told the republicans to “kill” the bill bc he wanted to ran on that plataform, then I don’t know what else to say🤣😂
Pink lady screwed up and JD put her sorry ass in it's place
What did Walz say about illegals? Nothing.
He said, don't blame them for the problems.
@@foreverlearn3866He meant to say they need them to vote
@foreverlearn3866 but they do cause problems.
Crossings rose incredibly after trump left. Waltze just lied again.
They don't count the 120,000 flown in monthly and those who use the online app to apply for asylum. Thus we have a 'drop' in illegal crossings. Smoke and mirrors and the taxpayers are stuck with the bill. ugh
We had a 11 year decline in southern border crossing to the lowest point in 50 years prior to Trump and his polices. By 2019 Trumps policies doubled the number of people crossing the southern border to 977,000. He only saw a reduction for the first 9 months of 2020 due to covid, before it went back to a 20 year monthly high in October of 2020. It has remained a 20 year high and increasing ever since under Trumps failed policies and Title 42.
Title 42 suspended title 8 laws and authority used to deter and penalize illegal border crossing. The Right was using it to undermine legal asylum under 8 US code 1158. It also suspended 8 US code 1325; the misdemeanor that carries a civil penalty for crossing the border illegally. And 8 US code 1326; stiffer penalties for crossing the border after deportation That left out any legal penalty or deterrent for those crossing and stopped legal asylum, with few exceptions under title 42. Makes it difficult to enforce immigration laws when Republicans are fighting in court to undermine our legal enforcement. With title 42 suspending enforcement many immigrants re-crossed multiple times causing apprehension numbers to be inflated. The current rate of multiple returns was about 40% of border crossers.
We had a 11 year decline in southern border crossing to the lowest point in 50 years prior to Trump and his polices. By 2019 Trumps policies doubled the number of people crossing the southern border to 977,000. He only saw a reduction for the first 9 months of 2020 due to covid, before it went back to a 20 year monthly high in October of 2020. It has remained a 20 year high and increasing ever since under Trumps failed policies and Title 42.
Title 42 suspended title 8 laws and authority used to deter and penalize illegal border crossing. The Right was using it to undermine legal asylum under 8 US code 1158. It also suspended 8 US code 1325; the misdemeanor that carries a civil penalty for crossing the border illegally. And 8 US code 1326; stiffer penalties for crossing the border after deportation That left out any legal penalty or deterrent for those crossing and stopped legal asylum, with few exceptions under title 42. Makes it difficult to enforce immigration laws when Republicans are fighting in court to undermine our legal enforcement. With title 42 suspending enforcement many immigrants re-crossed multiple times causing apprehension numbers to be inflated. The current rate of multiple returns was about 40% of border crossers.
@@ItsEricAZ Stop making up claims about things you know nothing about.
@@scottfarner5100this would be you with most any subject
Rigged debate and Vance STILL won
A clear gap Vance 55 Walz 45, The commentators allowed Walz to over his time frame several times!
I was thinking the same thing the entire debate and the moderator in pink was awful.
@@JenniferNIsbet-n6d A clear gap Vance 55 Walz 45, The commentators allowed Walz to run over his time frame several times! 3 stripes on top 3 on the bottom, nothing in the middle, don’t believe Walz's BS look up U S Army ranks MSG Not CSM or SGM as he want's everyone to believe! He left early, did not finish the course to retain the rank. His DD 214 Discharge Records show ,,,Rank of MSG E-8 "servicemember was not available for further processing".
Another 3 on 1 debate with a liar allowed to say whatever he wants. Still against all those odds Mr. Vance still wiped the floor with them.
I have done land surveys... and Tim is talking such BS - the Federal Govt. has so much land... and so much of it is unsuitable (lol he claims it will be drilled... bs) for very many uses e.g., it is arid - but could be adapted for housing. But as well, if you have 10 Million illegals - where the hell are they supposed to stay? Even if you assume 5 to a house then that's 2 million houses... and the utilities, and the schools, and the social services, the health services and the so on and so on... we are in deep trouble Tim bc of the Harris/Biden policies...
now there are more houses, schools ect to be rebuilt in the south before we can build for the illegals
Who's going to build the houses? LOL. The migrants are going to stay in bigger cities, fix up houses, even make entirely new cities. You're thinking NOW and not the future. The reality is you're just making more imaginary problems in your head that aren't reality.
NIce try. How many millions of acres are Federal Land comrade?
ANSWER: 640 million acres or about 28% of the entire country which is 1 out of every 3 acres. CNN misses you.
@@toxicsmear6652 around 640 million acres. About a third of the country. Further, about 47% of THAT land, is uninhabitable for commerical uses, but can be made available for housing.
crossings are down is he serious, what a dirt bag.
Harris is slipping 2,500 unvetted illegals in per day via her CP1 app and her four country parole policies.
Numbers are public and easy to find
@@scottfarner5100exactly why he's easily see as a lier.
@@andrewgocken517 Everyone on the Right lies about the border and it's easily seen.
@@scottfarner510010% of Haitis population was FLOWN into the USA illegally. That's where the current administration isn't being truthful.
I see why now Trump picked him.
*Let this man cook!*
What in the blazes is Walz blabbing about. He didn't even answer the question
crossings are down since Trump left office. Fact check that one CBS....
I would love to know where the moderators think that tens of millions of illegal migrants are housed in such a way that does not compete with the rest of the population.
10M seems a big #. But it is less than 3% of US population (no need to to mention illegal migrants' struggling financial situation). On the other side, the housing price has been increased 60%+ in the past 4 years. you do the math>
@@DrLove-v1v First off, home prices have nothing to do with it because the government foots the bill. It's just like how section 8 housing works. Landlords are putting homes and entire apartment complexes for rent to use as illegal migrant shelters and getting paid by the government to do so.
Secondly, there are only 3 million homes sold in the US on a given year, and this year it has been significantly less at around 2.5 million. So you do the math. 10+ million people, possibly 15 million vs 2.5 million.
Every time tim walz apologizes for talking it hurts him soooo much. I can’t imagine that apologetic attitude getting us many winning negotiations with tough leaders from opposition countries. Someone needs to make a “im sorry” counter for him
He looks very un confident. Not someone you want in charge of an entire country. I'm going with the American citizens first guy! Trump 2024
Moderators who don't understand basic economics. Supply and demand control housing costs. We have a supply issue. Since there aren't enough homes being built, the added demand is causing housing costs to skyrocket. That is a function of local zoning boards to approve new housing construction. Zoning boards have deliberatly not allowed new construction to keep property taxes artificially inflated.
Stop making sense if you dont mind. The federal government along with a complicit media have spent millions attempting to stifle facts concerning housing costs and illegal immigration and here you come telling everyone the truth. Why cant you just bury your head in the sand and stop using your intelligence to contradict the narrative...jeez.
Not to mention investors/hedge funds buying up 750K houses in 2023, then throw in 20+ million illegal immigrants... The average American has no hope in buying a house.
I agree with your position and rationale. However, I was actually impressed and pleased that the moderator asked that question! That, I think, is one of the main functions of a moderator's contribution: to ask questions that directly invite the participants to explain issues that are relevant to the interests of those listening to the debate. It was a beautiful question. To me, it essentially was the same as, "Mr. Vance, please explain to our viewers at home the supply/demand principles of our economy that contribute to higher housing prices as a direct result of illegal immi ... ... gration."
Okay, well, I said in a previous reply that I agree with your position. I actually disagree with your last sentence on two accounts. First, I believe that zoning boards are approving too much new construction (at least where I live), because they're allowing new construction to occur before the necessary infrastructure is in place to support the expansion of population (roads, police, schools, etc.). So in that, I disagree with your assertion that they are not allowing new construction.
Second, I disagree that the rationale for such (even were zoning boards not allowing new construction), would be to keep property tax revenue higher, as the number of houses and commercial structures generally has no direct impact on municipal property tax revenue. The total property tax revenue is set by the aggregate budgets of various municipal entities, and then distributed/allocated (by various formulae) over all taxable properties within the municipality's jurisdiction, such that the municipality will generate the exact same tax revenue for 100 houses that they will for 1,000,000 houses. The actual number of houses has no impact on total property tax revenue. Instead, the actual number of houses determines how much of the set required revenue is paid by each house's owner.
If required revenue is set at $1,000,000, and there are 1,000 taxable homes (assuming, quite unfairly, but for simple math, that all 1,000 homes were identical in assessed value) then each taxable home owes $1,000 ($1,000,000 divided by 1,000 homes = $1,000 each). If there are 2,000 taxable homes (again, unfair, but simple math that all 2,000 homes are identical in value), then each taxable home owes $500 ($1,000,000 divided by 2,000 homes = $500 each). If there are 500 taxable homes (same unfair math), then each taxable home owes $2,000 ($1,000,000 divided by 500 homes = $2,000 each). The revenue doesn't change at all in relation to the number of homes since that number is set independently of both the number of taxable properties, and the assessed values of those taxable properties, so keeping property tax revenue higher is not a basis for disallowing new construction.
As an additional note, the reason for property value assessments is so that the assessed value of each property can be applied in the formula that determines how much individual property owes. It's a distribution factor of the total required tax revenue. It's not a straight one-to-one formula like the unfair, but simple example math I illustrated above, but rather lower value homes owe a smaller percentage of the total required tax revenue than higher value homes owe, but the individual assessed values don't change the total amount of property tax revenue received by the municipality, just like the total number of taxable properties doesn't change the total amount of property tax revenue received by the municipality. The assessed values simply factor into the formula of how much any individual property owes of the set, unchanging, total amount. The order is: assess property values first, determine the required total property tax revenue by totaling the respective municipal budgets, then distribute the total required property tax revenue across all taxable properties according to (among other factors) individually assessed values, and then send tax assessments to each property according to the resulting distribution. Property Value Assessments are performed by the County Assessor. Property Tax Assessments are assigned by the County Tax Commission. Even though both terms include the words "Property" and "Assessments", they're not the same thing, and they're not performed by the same municipal entity.
Consider the implications of a real world example. My personal residence increased in assessed value by about 30% two years ago, but my property tax assessment went down by about 5%, even though the various municipal budgets increased the total required tax revenue by about 3%. Think about that. The total required property tax revenue increased, as did the assessed value of my house, but the property tax portion assessed to my house went down. Why? Because there was enough new construction to dilute the required revenue over a greater number of taxable properties, such that my portion went down, even though both more tax revenue was generated, and my assessed value increased dramatically.
Not to mention lots of limited resources that used to help poor Americans now are being priority to help poor Migrants instead.
I know many people got push out of the list for low income housing because somehow poor Migrants need more.
I just realized that Tim Walz looks like Don Rickles.
I was thinking the same thing,
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!
It’s simple economics supply and demand you supply more people. They are going to demand more housing. How hard is that to understand
its intermediate economics that firms supply what is demanded, until price meets cost, so its a valid question.
Also from intermediate economics, and basic statistics we know that correlation doesn't equal causation. Just because immigration goes up and housing prices go up, doesn't mean that immigration caused housing to go up.
So it's a valid question. The reality is you can never know for certain to what extent immigration causes housing prices to increase. The realm of politics is argument about the unprovable.
@@JamesBee-q8q it actually does mean that immigration caused prices to go up, but that is not only factor, if there wasn't that big immigration house prices wouldn't definitely skyrocket.
Plus covid lockdowns caused supply to stop for a year, many factors influence pirces, and immigration is one of them
Note how Walz got the "deer in the headlights" look!
Tampon Tim is the real life Homer Simpson!
Don’t offend Homer
@@KyleRS877doh
I actually think Homer Simpson is a man and I respect him...
Homer is a goof, not a liar.
@@randymanix6401 You mean maxipad trump🤣🤣🤣
We need a new DOD part 2 ; Dept.Of Deportation!😮
All that clip shows is that the Moderators where debating JD Vance. What a JOKE.
Tim Walz, the butthead, is scribbling "I want to die" after JD responds...
LOL! Walz was as nervous as a cat in Springfield.
I still think he had an ear piece in his right ear
Below that he wrote : Reminder to self: Change my tampon when I get home. I’m bleeding badly!
These msm propagandists have jumped the shark. Despite their best efforts to help Walz, he still came off poorly!
The Media should discuss this thing CBP One App to the public unlike moderators trying to hide this thing F Media America
The right wing media should be honest about reporting our immigration laws and the legal process.
@scottfarner5100 how are they not being honest
@@branchingoutnurseries4403 Title 42 suspended title 8 laws and authority used to deter and penalize illegal border crossing. The Right was using it to undermine legal asylum under 8 US code 1158. It also suspended 8 US code 1325; the misdemeanor that carries a civil penalty for crossing the border illegally. And 8 US code 1326; stiffer penalties for crossing the border after deportation That left out any legal penalty or deterrent for those crossing and stopped legal asylum, with few exceptions under title 42. Makes it difficult to enforce immigration laws when Republicans are fighting in court to undermine our legal enforcement. With title 42 suspending enforcement many immigrants re-crossed multiple times causing apprehension numbers to be inflated. The current rate of multiple returns was about 40% of border crossers.
We had a 11 year decline in southern border crossing to the lowest point in 50 years prior to Trump and his polices. By 2019 Trumps policies doubled the number of people crossing the southern border to 977,000. He only saw a reduction for the first 9 months of 2020 due to covid, before it went back to a 20 year monthly high in October of 2020. It has remained a 20 year high and increasing ever since under Trumps failed policies and Title 42.
Moderator is garbage
Get rid of these biased moderators... they're fact checking one candidate.. JDVance Won...
Which debate did you watch?? You must had worn your orange glasses 😂😂😂
@@Kim-ng7sl no he watched the right debate. They were throwing walz favors all night long.
@@Kim-ng7sl < How much does the paid commenter job pay?
JD looks at Timmy” how in the world 🤣🤣🤣
Should have brought up $150m that disappeared under the Feeding our Children scandal
In Minnesota! Tim Walz!
“We’ve got about 20% of the world’s fresh water.” LIE! The 5 Great Lakes combined make up about 20% of the world’s fresh water, not Minnesota.
It's more around 70%
He's talking about his head. Cabeza de Agua.
@@ddogg6242 quit being a democrat. Look up the facts. I did.
He’s talking about the US as a whole I believe
@@Bradyx123 he clearly stated Minnesota.
Supply and demand is apparently a difficult concept.
J.D. Vance has the oppurtunity to be real about housing market constraints and immigration. He's right.
Funny thing about being prepared with facts. They often hurt those that refuse to accept them.
What is the point in debating in liberal media with pro-democratic moderators?
No fact checking????
The fact checking slows down the debate they fact check after, abc said as part of there rules at the beginning the moderaters would not fact check its up to the candidates to fact check each other
@@thoraxtheimpalor1345 They fact checked Vance.
@@braddouglas7839 yes I saw that it broke the rules
So the fact check Vance but not waltz?
Who's Waltz?
Yeah nothing to see here, perfectly normal.
JD provided the receipts on X as promised.
Tim waltz lied illegal immigrants has came up so far up bc of kamila
You can't expect people that are economically ignorant to understand how a large influx of people into any given area creates increased housing costs.
Everytime Vance says something Walz spins and looks at Vance like he told a Your mama joke.
Well Vance came across as a polished United States Senator is and Walz acted like a nervous Chihuahua
Vance posted a full data package in support of this claim on X … Walz lied about number of crossings
She asks him to explain common sense?
No it's supply and demand so economics. But in their minds, these people come over the border, commit fewer crimes, are all doctors and lawyers, and don't consume any resources or services.
@@brianmccain8818 idk, they want future democrats because once here for a time, they want what's best for their new country and vote republican. They need the votes.
🙏🙏Trump, JD Vance, RFK Jr., Tulsi team 2024 💯💯 🙏 🙏
Is it just me or does Walz remind you of Don Rickles?
Hey completely UNBIASED moderator. Supply and demand!! Duh!!!
Who the hell was Vance debating, Waltz or cbs
Yes
All 3 of them!
Fox should do a debate, wether they choose to show up or not.
The Great Lakes hold 20% of the world's freshwater.......not Minnesota (which touches just a few miles of Superior).
It didn't sound right when he said that. Then, if I think about most of what Waltz says, it just doesn't sound good.
And that governor in Michigan was going to sell great lakes water to western states.
@stevehendry9890 @bradddouglas7839 it reminds this old southern boy of the George Strait classic......Ocean Front Property. I don't care if you like the house, the car, the neighborhood or even the neighbors.....I just need you to buy into the moment and lie. Les Mis best innkeeper in town!
@braddouglas7839 , curious first to how she proposed to get it there. I don't want to bother anyone, but it sounds like Ocean Front Property (George Strait) or even Master of the House (Les Miserables). She's a horrible person, but it is not important to go into at the moment. Hopefully, the American people/spirit realizes that they have trusted the snake oil carnival salesman (democrat) long enough.
Tampon Timmy didn't need to show up, once again the moderators debated the republican.
Right
Communist moderator
They need to take women with emotions and bias out of a man’s job.
Reasonable stuff. How refreshing.
Moderators are clearly biased….. the only tough question given to Waltz, wasn’t answered, and when pressed still didn’t answer. Joke!
Ummm 20 percent of the world’s fresh water is from Minnesota lol. The Great Lakes have 20%and most of the Great Lakes are in Michigan / Canada.
Walz got destroyed
So if Kamala is word salad... Does that make Walz word dressing?
Vance owned him all night
His theory is right. If 10+ million people enter the country and no more houses are built prices go up. More people looking to buy a limited resource.
Of course they do. It's a simple supply and demand issue. More demand with limited supply increases prices.
Hell like chicago is down maybe 600 million because of illegals and it's not even like everyone is even work eligible
Timmothees Weren't Allowed at My House Growing up 🤧
Timmothee Lied
About Chini
"What Evidence Do You Have...?': Moderator Asks Vance For Proof That Migrants Raise Housing Costs." It's basic economics. It's has to do with supply verses demand, more people than housing, rent and home prices go up, more housing than people, rent and home prices go down. I learned this in high school.
You have to think about who you are talking about, common sense doesn't compute with them.
Minnesota! In Minnesota. Minnesota, in Minnesota.
Why did the clip end before Vance had chance to reply?
Walz saying "Sorry" when trying to speak his mind REALLY helped portray strength and confidence as well as the competency needed in a leader 😂
He's saying that more people in the country with the same number of available houses results in higher housing costs?.... that's madness!
any economist worth their weight knows that increasing demand while maintaining or even suffering supply chain issues is how inflation is created... never ending expansion is unsustainable and creates unlimited demand which not only drives environmental destruction but also inequality... the federal reserve and their interest rate racket only work when the currency is healthy and leading global competition, which then only benefits a capital building class while the consumer suffers higher costs of borrowing, which also contributes to the inflation... if you remove tens of millions of consumers out of a market, there is less demand and prices fall... this is economics 101
Yep. As eloquently explained in “The Wealth of Nations” by Adam Smith written in 1776.
Exactly what's happening in Singapore
How about if they would let them talk about the Issues instead of interrupting them.
That is a great answer and 100% true.
TT has those crazy person eyes.
Minnesota has more miles of shoreline because it's the land of 10,000 Lakes period however Canada has 20% of the fresh water in the world period not Minnesota period fact check
And right after the debate Vance provided 2 sources. Embarrassment to the moderators.
Kudos to the mutual respect the two gentlemen displayed despite not being on the same team.
Tim nods in agreement!
So much bs, even NOW, after the facts have been presented to the country has given their own assessment.
Asking this question proves that my videos of NYC, Boston and Northern Virginia were not delusions. This type,of question can be asked only if there is nobody around to yell at the moderator.
"Senator, what PROOF do you have that water is wet?"
I like how both Vance and Walz were actually debating. You barely see that nowadays
First Walz says there is very little Federal Land in Minnesota. Anybody who ever went fishing, hunting or camping in MN, know what a huge monster the Bureau of Land Management is in that state. Also, they have fish cops hiding behind every tree making sure you have a permit to be there.
The Gov't controls a great deal of land in MN, what about that doesn't make it Federal Land?
Word salad.
Moderators we’re pathetic. Let the gentleman speak and quit showing your bias. I will say, this was a very respectful debate on both sides. I wish all debates went like this.
Walz is lying, Harris has chosen to ignore regulations.
Vance vs moderators.
The government should own zero property outside of national parks and military bases. The vast majority of it is not parks or bases and there's no justifying it.
1) supply and demand: adding 10 million homeless people to the population puts a strain on the system,
2) government is paying up to a 50 percent premium to landlords to house illegal immigrants
AS AN AMERICAN.
I WANT FACT CHECKING!
SMH
That's is your job individually.
if you are relying on them to tell you what is true you are falling victim to propaganda...
When allegations are raise against the govt, it is the due diligence of govt to provide proof of no wrong doings. This is different from civilians where the accuser has to provide proof via video or such or witness. Govt can abuse over media and enforcement. Check and balances are part of a free democratic government all and very the world.
How difficult is it to understand that when you let 25 million people in the country with an already tight housing market that the market and availability is going to suffer.
No Republican nominee for president should ever again agree to a presidential debate "moderated" by "journalists" from any of the major news networks -- ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC. Period. It's time for a new model of debates, and Republicans should not have to debate with both their Democrat opponents and the network "moderators."
When a news media breaks its own debate rules how trustworthy is it? Was anyone surprised by the "moderators" conduct? I wasn't.
Of course they do .
vote Harris/Walz 2024 ... and YOUR town will be next! 😱
Refurbish all of Chicago
Let's not talk about how migrant workers send back ~$450B to their home countries annually. . with India and China being the two biggest recipients. Do you think that money recirculates into our country and economy? Or are their families buying goods with that money in their own country? Who still profits? Corporations and the elites, while the general public gets shafted.
And still this ignores another issue entirely: Allowing migrants to pour in without filing the proper documentation, following the process, etc it only encourages their people to leave their country to come here, rather than attempting to fix their own country's problems.
So basically MN is saying, they dont have federal lands. Those that they have they want it to be parks. No wonder people in MN dont have affordable homes. It is this chap's policy that screwed the people. The more he talks, the more the shiat pours out.