National media understands the true depths of hell that the Carolina Panthers are actually in far better than our own fanbase. I'd love to see a video that's the inverse, where certain fanbase way over-inflate the talent on their roster or such things, and national media, bless their heart, actually get right more often than wrong.
The national media has been having to explain to Saints fans for years that they’ve doomed themselves to failure for the rest of the decade because they’ve refused to rebuild. They’re finally bottoming out completely in 2024 and it’s only gonna get worse.
Strouds "regression" is more to do with the fact that Slowik is calling a lot of true dropbacks and the Texans just cant protect long enough for it. Stroud is running for his life half of the time it feels like
@@SuperMurray2009 Slowik has been weird. Was ridiculous loyal to the run even when it was only getting like 3 a carry, but at least that opened up play action shots. This year he keeps calling dropbacks even when they are clearly not working. I don't know what that's about but my patience is real thin with him after the Jets game
For sure but even when he has time he's off on these throws recently clearly just getting spooked behind the line, in a little funk that he'll get out of soon
Strouds regression is because Defensive coordinator’s now have the advanced tape on him and an offseason to study. They will continue to throw roadblocks that Stroud must overcome if he wants to be great. Otherwise he will be average and might get a 2nd contract from another team. Keep in mind anytime rookies start off looking good, Coordinators don;t yet have tape on them. They don’t get that 6 full games. And by that point we are already so deep into a season that they need to game plan for this weeks opponent. It’s why Sophomore slumps are a thing. That said Slowik is also a young coach. He’s made awful mistakes especially considering the personnel Texans are dealing with. He was always a “fake sharp” head coach because analytics nerds proved him up unnecessarily. But Brett is just 100% wrong saying he hasn’t. Stroud is fleeing from clean pockets. He is sensing pressure when it doesn’t exist and he’s inaccurate.
As a Lions fan one narrative I constantly hear is that Goff is dependent on Ben Johnson and things will fall apart if he leaves. Most outside of our fanbase dont realise that in 2021 our OC Anthony Lynn was stripped of play calling duties and Campbell took over for just under half the season. While we were still a poor team the difference was night and day. If/When Ben leaves we will be perfectly fine
As a Saints fan, you did right by me. This is the problem with our freaking team. I've seen people ask "How were they so good the first two weeks then fell off a cliff?". Well, two reasons: A.) We're way too old and our depth is screwed, so as soon as guys start getting hurt there's significant dropoff. B.) Dennis Allen as a head coach just will NOT help you steer through any sort of adversity. At least as of today, Dennis Allen is gone, so I hope they realize how much change is in order and we can start to heal.
It seemed like Nico helped mitigate the bad interior o-line play of the Texans during the early part of the season because he could reliably get open quickly early on in the play before the pressure could effect Stroud and when the pressure did get to him and Stroud had to extend the play, their connection with each other on scramble drills was extremely good. Nico is a huge part of why the offense is so successful especially at the start of the season and they’ve missed him a lot more than the national media realize
EJ's comment of "oh they turned a corner but they can turn right back" hits different after watching the Eagles play the Jags yesterday. I can't say what the national media gets right or wrong about my team because i don't even know if Eagles fans know what's right or wrong with this team. I'm just here for the rollercoaster of emotions this team has me riding that I was unfortunately tall enough to ride.
Eagles just have a coach who thinks that the team is talented enough to execute his demands. Often, they fall short. That was evident against the Jaguars with all the 2pt conversions and 4th down plays. The Eagles are good enough to convert all of those plays, but they failed for one reason or another.
@kman9884 That.. is actually a really good way to put into words the thing that has been bothering me about this team and I couldn't describe. It doesn't help that this fanbase is blasting him for those "points left on the field" for his aggression, while complimenting the very same things he does when it works (like the AJ Brown TD on 4th and 3). Had one radio host say "you should only be aggressive if points are coming easily" in regards to the Falcons game, while this week slamming the missed field goals.. even though points were coming easily in the beginning. It just honestly feels like the fanbase is just as rollercoaster hot-and-cold as the team with no consistency outside of constant demands for perfection..
As a ravens fan, Stephens has certainly been bad but a lot of the fall off has been way more related to schematic changes and safety play. Rather than utilizing Hamilton as a Swiss army knife, he’s been played a lot more traditionally than last year and is just ok in that role. With whatever the situation is with Marcus Williams, now Eddie Jackson is playing a lot and yikes! The interior of the line is shattered now as well. Lamar could play better than any quarterback ever has for the rest of the season and the defense would still be the end of us.
Whenever the Bears actually do something well, it's not because the team and talent showed up to play, it's always about what the OTHER team did wrong to allow the Bears to look good. I feel like that's been a narrative since the Urlacher years.
Ironically the same as being a Cardinals fan. Very few people are giving us our flowers for the win against the Bears, it’s literally about how bad the bears team played to lose a game they “should have won”
@Soulsebb Ah yea, that's annoying. Cards defense absolutely murdered the Bears' o line and the Cards offense ran the ball almost effortlessly. Bears never got off the plane, but the Cards easily outplayed them.
The Lions lead the league in pulling their starters, but no one watches the games so the narrative is that actually they team is too aggressive and “runs up the score.” By definition then, this team is UNBELIEVABLY good.
The ravens defense is not just one guy. The communication is awful and the pass rush can disappear for long stretches. I don’t think it can be salvaged at this point. It’s everything, coaching, players etc.
It's not so commonly said as it used to be but saying Goff can't play outside in even barely inclement weather. And that Goff can't play under pressure. Well he's been winning in Green Bay and Chicago. The lions have been excellent on the road. The weather might change the way coaches call plays but that's not on Goff. Then with pressure analyst have seen how ridiculous he's been against the blitz. They see Goff feel pressure, step up and throw a dart so they change the definition of pressure. Now it's like well Goff isn't good while he's currently being tackled by two guys. Analyst need Goff to be a product of the system and team rather than the integral piece that he is
You've wrote an entire think piece there for no reason. Who's shocked the QB with small hands and a mid arm (in terms of power) doesnt excel in the weather. Its possible to win without your qb playing a 10/10 btw.
Tell us more about Goff's ability to win outdoor games in January then. Lions will have their chances in the coming years. If anything a big reason to Goff's positive numbers this season is that he's not subject to an absurd amount of pass attempts. And when Ben Johnson really needs to control the clock and possessions in the 2nd half, that diverse run game with the O-line and Sun God being cash money on late downs have been the game breakers.
@@t4d0W Well imo he didnt win you the game on Sunday, I think Love threw it away. Well the whole Packers offence sold tbh. Drops and that pick 6. The pick 6 was the killer because from a neutrals perspective the packers were running all over the lions defence with jacobs.Then they were down 3 scores by the time they got the ball back in the second half and they never went back to it.
When you watch your team long enough to develop and flip the switch on their identities. The offense went from predictable with Lamar being the run game to now being the best in franchise history with Henry + Lamar designed run offense. While still being sound under center to utilize play action and spread looks. Meanwhile the defense certainly has the players but scheme wise is putting them more in basic roles to still work playing aggressive.
Same here, happy to hear praise on the pack! Well, while I do agree with raving about Mckinney I am not sure if I would rank him above King Henry or Saquon so far. Definitely up there, but these 2 are playing freakingly well
Watching Brett have his eyes widen talking about Brandon Stephens and our Pass Defense makes me laugh and cry. Its not just BS its also Eddie Jackson, Jaylon Armour Davis Roquan Smith
Bears fan here. Roquan was always over rated and Eddie had exactly ONE good season then never had the drive to be great. You guys did get more out of Smith than we did (good coaching) but he is a drain overall and you'll be glad when you move on
What is so shocking about the Ravens is that they traded for a WR and not a CB. I guess they just threw their hands up and said "well, might as well score 40 every game"
As a Ravens fan, it's on Orr for a large part. So many blown coverages, every week there are plays where the defense isnt even ready when the play starts... Cant blame that on Stephens, but it's true he hasnt played well
It’s not that you throw a INT as a QB. It’s WHEN you throw it and how it happens, 4rth quarter close game he throws into double coverage gets picked bad decision.. 1st quarter you try to fit it in a tight window and it gets picked.. You have 3 quarters to make up for it ..
I do agree with the evaluation of Jordan Love v. Aaron Rodgers. I always appreciated Rodgers for his efficiency, accuracy, his ability to read defenses and pick them apart, etc. But in certain situations throughout his career, like in the many playoff disappointments , he seemed to freeze or slow down or clam up when the pressure dialed up. He had some spectacular come-backs too, so it wasnt just that he couldnt handle the pressure. It was more like "As long as he feels comfortable, he's a monster. But once he starts feeling uncomfortable, he starts looking smaller." It also didnt help that Green Bay's Defense never had the caliber of coaching or whatever to keep up with opponents' defenses. If Jordan Love turns out the way I want, I would love to see him turn out to be a Rodgers/Farve fusion - where he's a monster who reads defenses well and masterfully puts the ball where it needs to go but he also knows when to cut loose and just wing it. Right now, he's a little more Farve than Rodgers, but that's already so much better than anything I could've asked for. Kid'll be fine and do great things.
Packers fan here. You guys don't give our team enough coverage. I think.. at least one, hour-long episode every day is fair. Don't you? In the next episode, you guys should dive into Saleh and LaFleur's special connection. Maybe make it an improv buddy comedy episode of them living together in central michigan. EJ can shave his head and beard and play Saleh, Bret can switch up his beard style for LaFleur's french special. Okay.. maybe TWO episodes a day. Yeah that seems right.
Stroud is reliving the hell that was Mahomes' 2020 season. Non-existent interior line, hilariously low time to pressure, and somehow still getting things done. Watching the TNF game with you all, I was getting Buccs/Chiefs super bowl flashbacks.
10:28 yea like one thing i say about love a lot to my brother who is a packers fan, he is a qb who kinda isnt affected by "momentum" and whenever he makes like a bad play he comes back and plays like himself as usual, thats why i care less about the picks, cause second of all he isnt like this gattling gun shooting so many shots till it hits, no he is trying to find and look for windows even if they "shouldnt be there" but a lot of times are like the kraft throw or the reed throw vs the rams and if he continues to be right about these tiny windows ill still like em as a player. He's just that guy you expect to swing the game back cause he wont be phased.
Everything he does with the cap is just the owner being willing to spend extra money, it's not anything the average accountant wouldn't be able to accomplish
I think with the Packers the reason as to why they're underdiscussed is because the defense has been expected to perform well for so long and they've dissapointed so much because of (he who shall not be named) that now that they're good it's kind of an expectation rather than something that amuses people. Although man the way Xavier McKinney has been balling needs to be more disscussed
Diehard Seahawk fan here in Toronto 💙💚🇨🇦 and national media doesn’t even care about us 😂😂 but WTAF is going on with our Defense?! In Mike we trust. 🫶🏻🙏🏻🤞🏻
Always love how Brett starts off asking EJ how he's doing. Obviously a sign of a true bromance, but it's something more men have to be doing with each other, especially nowadays. It can make a huge impact!
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Brett please read!!! I watched the Ravens segment and some of this is true but think about this, the Ravens lost 3 major coaches, 2 became DC’s and 1 a HC. Keep that in mind and remember they are building for the playoffs and John Harbaugh teams always fix their issues and improve. Brandon Stephens is playing awful no question but Maulet just came back so Marlo can play outside and Wiggins gets better every week. I guarantee they will be back to a legit defense by the playoffs. Maybe not great but good enough. I guarantee it!! Most of their problems is explosive plays and that will go way way down.
Packers fan here. I completely agree with Dan's comment on Love. Rodgers is infamous for losing his cool and breaking down if he throws an early pick, or completely cutting off receivers if they drop a ball. Even under LaFleur, if the offense got punched in the face, they just gave up. Love is not like that at all, he truly processes the game one play at a time. Love has no qualms about taking shots and trying to move the ball. Ever. Even if a receiver has butter hands that game, Love will still go back to him if he is open. There's a level of trust in his teammates, his coaches and himself that is just so unbelievably refreshing. Yeah, the picks will probably come back to bite us in the ass eventually, but god is it fun to watch him connect on those risky passes.
A true gunslinger. He’s fully aware of how him and his team is are playing, but he just doesn’t care. All he wants is to make a play on every down he’s on the field. I think that helps elevate the defense too. They feel free to play their game, bc they trust jordan won’t be swayed by the game script
People seem to overlook the Packers receiver group is very young and still getting more experience playing under LaFleur's schemes. Granted Love probably bears the burden of how that pass offense operates in structure and piloting things out of structure. But all those reps together will pay dividends in the near future especially in high leverage out of structure situations.
Evan Williams has been a massive piece of our secondary in GB, and Cooper the rookie LB, we are getting good work outta these rookies. On the love side everyone cries he throws interceptions, i will take the gutsy gunslinger who wants to win rhe game instead of worrying about his stat line which is what it felt like with Rodgers and his "ball safety" in the laat few years
I comment this before watching the show because I don't want my thoughts to be in influenced by your way superior football knowledge but I feel like Washington's Defense deserves some more attention. Everybody is (rightfully) giving a lot of props to JD and the offense, but in the mean time Dan Quinn is doing wonders making sure his defense that on paper should be one of the worst in the league doesn't give up 30+ points, and he is - in ways I do not currently comprehend - doing so. (And I'm not even a true Commanders fan lol)
Need to hear yall talk about how Denver is doing what they're doing with the dead cap they have, the youth they have and the fact that Bo is looking good with damn near the worst receiving core in the NFL
If you could explain why some teams get the 'x' player is injured and that effected the team. While other teams don't get a mention that a bunch of starters are out. There doesn't seem to be any reason other it fits their story line of x team is awesome, missing that one player really caused that team to lose.
Its even more of a travesty that Chargers fans drank the koolaid years ago of how he was some defensive savant from the Fangio coaching tree. Now they get to see a real defensive guy put up solid results with nearly the same core group as Staley had a year ago.
Chargers S and secondary is definitely playing better but here are the QBs they have faced…. Bryce Young, Aidan OConnell, Justin Fields, Bo Nix, Kyler Murray, Spencer Rattler, James Winston and Mahomes. We wil see how the secondary does against better QBs
If your line cant protect stay under the centers ass- If you drop back you are toast if either Def End beats his block - or an unprotected blitzer gets thru!!
I hope Brett see’s this comment because Joel Klatt literally called Michigan under Harbaugh an anaconda as well and it’s crazy that his new team had that identity as well
National Media keeps getting the details around Jamo wrong. Saying he bet on football back when he got suspended when it was for checking his basketball bets while on team property. They keep painting this troubled youth narrative on him when hes truly a stand up guy who has embraced the lions culture.
5:23 "I dont think any Free Agent that has came to a new team has made more of an impact than Xavier McKinney has for the Packers". Maybe on defense but what about Henry?
Henry turned an elite offence into the best in the league. McKinney turned a turd of a defence into a top 10 unit. I think the ravens are still elite without Henry, the packers are below average without Mckinney
I have actually been yapping about this a lot because it makes me mad that people keep putting lamar in the mvp conversation Going into week 8 henry had 150 more rushing yards than second place (barkley with the eagles) Lamar at 5th had 100 less than geno at 1st, the difference between Henry and Second place is farther then 1st to 5th on passing yards which should be bigger numbers The Ravens are also 1-3 in games that Henry got less than 20 carries with the only win being the bengals game that they won in overtime by a field goal The Ravens are UNDEFEATED when they give the best player on the team the ball and they keep refusing to do it
Henry has 'completed' a functional offense in a way that CMC has done for the Niners and to some extent Saquon for the Eagles. But it makes sense because those outlier RBs were the 'whole' offense for team at some point and put up results. But being multipliers to a team with a bunch of talent on offense when schemed right is going to put results regardless. McKinney being the guy that completes a Packers defense where it is known their edge/D-line is getting to be great and have other pieces on DBs (Alexander but oft injured) was something nobody really saw in 2024. Even now when Packers DC Halfley is starting to get into his bag coaching wise and putting results.
My current Packers fan babble is that the Jordan Love arc has been a part of Matt LaFluer’s development plan. Otherwise, I can’t reconcile the differences in play calling philosophy between 2024 Jordan Love and Malik Willis, and even first/second half of 2023 Jordan Love
Am I crazy, or do teams seem to rely more on Zone coverage looks against GB, knowing that if they sit in their looks it will benefit them due to JLove being such a gunslinger?
Absolutely inexcusable how bad the Ravens defense is. We had five guys on our defensive staff last year that would have done a better job than Orr. At what point does this reflect on Harbaugh? Harbaugh gets almost no criticism from non Ravens fans. He’s the NFL’s Doc Rivers.
Seeing my Packers have a good defense after Rodge is gone genuinely pisses me off, the years wasted with he who must not be named and Pettine and Capers, god how I despise our organization sometimes for these hires, and then keeping them for far far too long, happened with our special teams coaches as well, mainly Drayton and Mennenga. Imcompotentce robbed Rodge of even more
I don’t think bears or national media is talking enough about the possibility of flus getting extended because Caleb is able to drag him along. It’s frightening. I hope the bears utterly collapse a few times to get flus fired
Rather than spending the entire episode talking about the same teams every show is talking about it would be way better to spend like 5-10 min on each team. The Packers get plenty of coverage and don't need any more episodes dedicated to them. Same with the Strouds. Would be nice to see some national coverage on the teams not being talked about rather than new topics for the same old teams.
I think the chargers are way better than people think, herbert isn’t lightning it up but that’s because he doesn’t have to because the run game is so good and the defense is so good
The Detroit Lions, well Goff still somehow gets little respect, but that's finally that's changing so maybe not as relevant as it was (he's a 'game manager'-yeah so was TB12, it's only a QBs most important job). And I think Dan Campbell is still perceived as a risk-taking meathead. A Lions player back in 2022 said, I think word for word, "the more you think he's just a rah rah meathead, the farther ahead of you he is strategically'
@@obtusemooose Yes he was, the best game manager in the history of the game which is WHY he is the best QB to date this league has ever seen. Managing the game, starts the second the whistle blows the previous play is dead. TB12 used every tenth of a second to be ahead of the other team. He didnt scramble, didnt have a great arm, but he ran the machine better than anyone
TB12 isn't A game manager, he is THE game manager. It's a compliment, not a slight.....despite the fact that most people seem to interpret it as such. Goff is emerging as the next elite game manager in the league now. The narrative that the national media pushed on him is slowly starting to turn, which is nice to see, as he is the most disrespected/under-respected elite QB in the NFL today. There are only 3 QBs now that I would rather have under center than Goff......Mahomes, Josh Allen & Lamar Jackson. The list of QBs I would take Goff ahead of includes: Hurts, Stroud, Love, Purdy, Dak, Stafford, Rodgers, Kyler, Lawrence, Caleb, & Jayden....among others. Goff is about to "game manage" his way to a Super Bowl ring & an MVP this year & even that won't be enough to convince some people that he is elite bc they can't seem to let go of past narratives or comprehend the fact that players can grow & develop with time & experience.
@Snoil no he wasnt. what is your definition of game mamager. constantly turning offenses that were not insanely talented into the best in the league, constant playoff heroics, mvps, being able to turn any reciever into a good one just by his presence. thats ridiculous. he had plenty of talent. not on rodgers level sure but lets not pretend.
@@obtusemoooseyes, he really was. His playoff heroics consisted of cheering on his defense and dumping it off to the slot/RB/Gronk. He's the best manager to ever manage an offense. He wasn't winning it with his athletics. How is this so hard for you?
We love the steelers and coach t, but.....he hasn't won a playoff game in years, and gets beat by offensive minded head coaches. Never having a losing record is great, but we want wins in January and February
Love how these guys spent 15+ minutes glazing the Chargers defense even tho we already saw them get wrecked by a relatively sleep walking Chiefs team. Guys there's a reason these stories don't get national coverage. Nobody cares or believes in them. The Chargers could have the '85 Bears defense and they'd still Charger it right up when it counts.
National media understands the true depths of hell that the Carolina Panthers are actually in far better than our own fanbase. I'd love to see a video that's the inverse, where certain fanbase way over-inflate the talent on their roster or such things, and national media, bless their heart, actually get right more often than wrong.
As a giants fan we’ve been in that boat for almost a decade now
Average bears fan
The national media has been having to explain to Saints fans for years that they’ve doomed themselves to failure for the rest of the decade because they’ve refused to rebuild. They’re finally bottoming out completely in 2024 and it’s only gonna get worse.
Colts make that list
Patriots fans during the pre season every year expecting minimum 8-9 the past two years
Only narrative the national media is ignoring is THE BEST FOOTBALL SHOW ON TH-cam🗣️
Doing what we can to right that "wrong"... and thank you.
Strouds "regression" is more to do with the fact that Slowik is calling a lot of true dropbacks and the Texans just cant protect long enough for it. Stroud is running for his life half of the time it feels like
@@King_Immanuel so that means slowik is regressing too
Yes. Texans o-line has been horrible and the play calling of last year kind of hid that
@@SuperMurray2009 Slowik has been weird. Was ridiculous loyal to the run even when it was only getting like 3 a carry, but at least that opened up play action shots. This year he keeps calling dropbacks even when they are clearly not working. I don't know what that's about but my patience is real thin with him after the Jets game
For sure but even when he has time he's off on these throws recently clearly just getting spooked behind the line, in a little funk that he'll get out of soon
Strouds regression is because Defensive coordinator’s now have the advanced tape on him and an offseason to study. They will continue to throw roadblocks that Stroud must overcome if he wants to be great. Otherwise he will be average and might get a 2nd contract from another team. Keep in mind anytime rookies start off looking good, Coordinators don;t yet have tape on them. They don’t get that 6 full games. And by that point we are already so deep into a season that they need to game plan for this weeks opponent. It’s why Sophomore slumps are a thing. That said Slowik is also a young coach. He’s made awful mistakes especially considering the personnel Texans are dealing with. He was always a “fake sharp” head coach because analytics nerds proved him up unnecessarily. But Brett is just 100% wrong saying he hasn’t. Stroud is fleeing from clean pockets. He is sensing pressure when it doesn’t exist and he’s inaccurate.
As a Lions fan one narrative I constantly hear is that Goff is dependent on Ben Johnson and things will fall apart if he leaves.
Most outside of our fanbase dont realise that in 2021 our OC Anthony Lynn was stripped of play calling duties and Campbell took over for just under half the season. While we were still a poor team the difference was night and day.
If/When Ben leaves we will be perfectly fine
As a Saints fan, you did right by me. This is the problem with our freaking team. I've seen people ask "How were they so good the first two weeks then fell off a cliff?". Well, two reasons: A.) We're way too old and our depth is screwed, so as soon as guys start getting hurt there's significant dropoff. B.) Dennis Allen as a head coach just will NOT help you steer through any sort of adversity.
At least as of today, Dennis Allen is gone, so I hope they realize how much change is in order and we can start to heal.
It seemed like Nico helped mitigate the bad interior o-line play of the Texans during the early part of the season because he could reliably get open quickly early on in the play before the pressure could effect Stroud and when the pressure did get to him and Stroud had to extend the play, their connection with each other on scramble drills was extremely good. Nico is a huge part of why the offense is so successful especially at the start of the season and they’ve missed him a lot more than the national media realize
He also is able to reliably beat defenders deep which forces more defenders out of the box, resulting in less simulated pressures and blitzes.
Yo, the Ravens are like how the Lions were last year. Great offensive, with a decent pass rush and good run Defense, but horrible CB play.
Shoutout Jesse Minter!
EJ's comment of "oh they turned a corner but they can turn right back" hits different after watching the Eagles play the Jags yesterday.
I can't say what the national media gets right or wrong about my team because i don't even know if Eagles fans know what's right or wrong with this team.
I'm just here for the rollercoaster of emotions this team has me riding that I was unfortunately tall enough to ride.
Eagles just have a coach who thinks that the team is talented enough to execute his demands. Often, they fall short. That was evident against the Jaguars with all the 2pt conversions and 4th down plays. The Eagles are good enough to convert all of those plays, but they failed for one reason or another.
@kman9884 That.. is actually a really good way to put into words the thing that has been bothering me about this team and I couldn't describe.
It doesn't help that this fanbase is blasting him for those "points left on the field" for his aggression, while complimenting the very same things he does when it works (like the AJ Brown TD on 4th and 3). Had one radio host say "you should only be aggressive if points are coming easily" in regards to the Falcons game, while this week slamming the missed field goals.. even though points were coming easily in the beginning.
It just honestly feels like the fanbase is just as rollercoaster hot-and-cold as the team with no consistency outside of constant demands for perfection..
As a ravens fan, Stephens has certainly been bad but a lot of the fall off has been way more related to schematic changes and safety play. Rather than utilizing Hamilton as a Swiss army knife, he’s been played a lot more traditionally than last year and is just ok in that role. With whatever the situation is with Marcus Williams, now Eddie Jackson is playing a lot and yikes! The interior of the line is shattered now as well. Lamar could play better than any quarterback ever has for the rest of the season and the defense would still be the end of us.
I also will say that while we are getting sacks, our pressure rate really isn’t very high. Jameis had all the time in the world against us last week.
Whenever the Bears actually do something well, it's not because the team and talent showed up to play, it's always about what the OTHER team did wrong to allow the Bears to look good. I feel like that's been a narrative since the Urlacher years.
Ironically the same as being a Cardinals fan. Very few people are giving us our flowers for the win against the Bears, it’s literally about how bad the bears team played to lose a game they “should have won”
@Soulsebb Ah yea, that's annoying. Cards defense absolutely murdered the Bears' o line and the Cards offense ran the ball almost effortlessly. Bears never got off the plane, but the Cards easily outplayed them.
We really need an in depth rant on the Jags organization and how we suck
2 day long episode
I hear that everytime I hop on games with my buddy from Jacksonville
You should watch "that franchise guy" hes got a lot of good analysis on the jags problems
The Lions lead the league in pulling their starters, but no one watches the games so the narrative is that actually they team is too aggressive and “runs up the score.”
By definition then, this team is UNBELIEVABLY good.
The ravens defense is not just one guy. The communication is awful and the pass rush can disappear for long stretches. I don’t think it can be salvaged at this point. It’s everything, coaching, players etc.
It's not so commonly said as it used to be but saying Goff can't play outside in even barely inclement weather. And that Goff can't play under pressure. Well he's been winning in Green Bay and Chicago. The lions have been excellent on the road. The weather might change the way coaches call plays but that's not on Goff. Then with pressure analyst have seen how ridiculous he's been against the blitz. They see Goff feel pressure, step up and throw a dart so they change the definition of pressure. Now it's like well Goff isn't good while he's currently being tackled by two guys. Analyst need Goff to be a product of the system and team rather than the integral piece that he is
Yeah the Goff can't play under pressure narrative got murdered this season. He's on an MVP tear
You've wrote an entire think piece there for no reason. Who's shocked the QB with small hands and a mid arm (in terms of power) doesnt excel in the weather. Its possible to win without your qb playing a 10/10 btw.
Tell us more about Goff's ability to win outdoor games in January then. Lions will have their chances in the coming years. If anything a big reason to Goff's positive numbers this season is that he's not subject to an absurd amount of pass attempts. And when Ben Johnson really needs to control the clock and possessions in the 2nd half, that diverse run game with the O-line and Sun God being cash money on late downs have been the game breakers.
@@t4d0W Well imo he didnt win you the game on Sunday, I think Love threw it away. Well the whole Packers offence sold tbh. Drops and that pick 6. The pick 6 was the killer because from a neutrals perspective the packers were running all over the lions defence with jacobs.Then they were down 3 scores by the time they got the ball back in the second half and they never went back to it.
As a ravens fan, I was waiting for the “…but here’s how we can turn it around” moment which never came
Just hand the ball to Henry
When you watch your team long enough to develop and flip the switch on their identities. The offense went from predictable with Lamar being the run game to now being the best in franchise history with Henry + Lamar designed run offense. While still being sound under center to utilize play action and spread looks. Meanwhile the defense certainly has the players but scheme wise is putting them more in basic roles to still work playing aggressive.
Packers fan here, you guys do read the comments! 😂 Great episode guys. Appreciate the kind words.
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Same here, happy to hear praise on the pack! Well, while I do agree with raving about Mckinney I am not sure if I would rank him above King Henry or Saquon so far. Definitely up there, but these 2 are playing freakingly well
Watching Brett have his eyes widen talking about Brandon Stephens and our Pass Defense makes me laugh and cry. Its not just BS its also Eddie Jackson, Jaylon Armour Davis Roquan Smith
Bears fan here. Roquan was always over rated and Eddie had exactly ONE good season then never had the drive to be great.
You guys did get more out of Smith than we did (good coaching) but he is a drain overall and you'll be glad when you move on
I open TH-cam mid listen to last week's episode because I had to know, and sure enough the title. Brett's curse is the most powerful force in the NFL.
I love the concept of this. Please make it a semi-regular series.
Glad you liked it. We had some fun putting it together. Thanks for saying so!
What is so shocking about the Ravens is that they traded for a WR and not a CB. I guess they just threw their hands up and said "well, might as well score 40 every game"
Woah woah woah… the biggest FA addition is Derrick Henry to Baltimore EJ
As a Ravens fan, it's on Orr for a large part. So many blown coverages, every week there are plays where the defense isnt even ready when the play starts... Cant blame that on Stephens, but it's true he hasnt played well
It’s not that you throw a INT as a QB.
It’s WHEN you throw it and how it happens,
4rth quarter close game he throws into double coverage gets picked bad decision..
1st quarter you try to fit it in a tight window and it gets picked..
You have 3 quarters to make up for it ..
I do agree with the evaluation of Jordan Love v. Aaron Rodgers. I always appreciated Rodgers for his efficiency, accuracy, his ability to read defenses and pick them apart, etc. But in certain situations throughout his career, like in the many playoff disappointments , he seemed to freeze or slow down or clam up when the pressure dialed up. He had some spectacular come-backs too, so it wasnt just that he couldnt handle the pressure. It was more like "As long as he feels comfortable, he's a monster. But once he starts feeling uncomfortable, he starts looking smaller." It also didnt help that Green Bay's Defense never had the caliber of coaching or whatever to keep up with opponents' defenses.
If Jordan Love turns out the way I want, I would love to see him turn out to be a Rodgers/Farve fusion - where he's a monster who reads defenses well and masterfully puts the ball where it needs to go but he also knows when to cut loose and just wing it. Right now, he's a little more Farve than Rodgers, but that's already so much better than anything I could've asked for. Kid'll be fine and do great things.
Packers fan here. You guys don't give our team enough coverage. I think.. at least one, hour-long episode every day is fair. Don't you? In the next episode, you guys should dive into Saleh and LaFleur's special connection. Maybe make it an improv buddy comedy episode of them living together in central michigan. EJ can shave his head and beard and play Saleh, Bret can switch up his beard style for LaFleur's french special. Okay.. maybe TWO episodes a day. Yeah that seems right.
Stroud is reliving the hell that was Mahomes' 2020 season. Non-existent interior line, hilariously low time to pressure, and somehow still getting things done. Watching the TNF game with you all, I was getting Buccs/Chiefs super bowl flashbacks.
Do Houston’s running backs hold up in pass protection?
@@thek3289Not well enough to mask the interior lol
@@King_Immanuel I figured. Mixon is a turnstile.
are there going to be more episodes in this vein, or are these the only 5 teams getting covered in this way?
It's crazy how they called out the Texans offensive line and then TNF happens and that o-line got exposed!!!! 🤣🤣#samuraipandasports
10:28 yea like one thing i say about love a lot to my brother who is a packers fan, he is a qb who kinda isnt affected by "momentum" and whenever he makes like a bad play he comes back and plays like himself as usual, thats why i care less about the picks, cause second of all he isnt like this gattling gun shooting so many shots till it hits, no he is trying to find and look for windows even if they "shouldnt be there" but a lot of times are like the kraft throw or the reed throw vs the rams and if he continues to be right about these tiny windows ill still like em as a player.
He's just that guy you expect to swing the game back cause he wont be phased.
Massive bootleg W!!!
Mickey Loomis is not a good GM, he had one good coaching hire, one good qb decision, one good draft class, and he's been there for 22 years
Everything he does with the cap is just the owner being willing to spend extra money, it's not anything the average accountant wouldn't be able to accomplish
I like this concept
Ayyyeee! Thank you Bootleg Gang for amplifying my take
Least we could do good sir... even if you are a Packers fan. 🤣 You know we love you anyway.
Chargers fan here. This is the best defense we've had since the 00s.
Edit: RIP Shawn Merriman's knee. o7
Its the exact opposite of Brandon Staley's defense. They are very consistent and still manage to be scary on late passing downs.
fun to see naove brett talking about gambling before knowing that he picked kaimi fairbarn on his ticket
I think with the Packers the reason as to why they're underdiscussed is because the defense has been expected to perform well for so long and they've dissapointed so much because of (he who shall not be named) that now that they're good it's kind of an expectation rather than something that amuses people. Although man the way Xavier McKinney has been balling needs to be more disscussed
It's crazy. I've lived my whole life experiencing the PackersTM Defense. Now we're good and... nobody even noticed.
Jeff Haffley turned a bad skot corner in Nixon into a great outside corner...HOW
HOW
Diehard Seahawk fan here in Toronto 💙💚🇨🇦 and national media doesn’t even care about us 😂😂 but WTAF is going on with our Defense?! In Mike we trust. 🫶🏻🙏🏻🤞🏻
National media gets my lions pretty well. Evan fox is a solid rep and good morning football squad gets us pretty well
Did Foxy learn to talk at a reasonable volume yet? Haven't watched in a few months.
Giants are stuck at the bottom and will not change until Mara gives up control. Change my mind please!?!
Always love how Brett starts off asking EJ how he's doing. Obviously a sign of a true bromance, but it's something more men have to be doing with each other, especially nowadays. It can make a huge impact!
Funny thing is we do that at least 4x a week outside of recording shows... and you're right, it can make a huge difference.
The prediction for quinnen to absolutely destroy the jets by himself is hilarious 😂
My biggest takeaway from the video is to not start cedric tillman against the chargers
@EJ can we get a cost on your background?!?! Cus that shit is amazing and I'd LOVE to have that myself! Amazing background and love the podcast ❤
Looks like it suppressed my comment bc I added a link so here it is without: A.) Thanks for watching! B.) It's a pretty common question C.) Happy to share bc they make great stuff and have lots of designs. It's a company called Forest Elements and they use all reclaimed wood and heat treat it (not chem treat it) so your space will smell like toasted wood, which is a massive bonus. They come in flexible panels that you attach to the walls using commercial floor adhesive. Looks good, sounds great, and triples as aromatherapy 🤣
This is the internet, not america, you are a worldwide show
True, and we love our international fans - so "International show" it is from now on. 🤝
As a Packers fan, I love this team (minus Quay, Cooper and Wilson better keep their new roles when Quay clears protocol).
Tired, wired, and inspired is amazing. I’m using that.
I most certainly borrowed it... so have at it!
Atlanta influences everything! 😮
Brett please read!!!
I watched the Ravens segment and some of this is true but think about this, the Ravens lost 3 major coaches, 2 became DC’s and 1 a HC. Keep that in mind and remember they are building for the playoffs and John Harbaugh teams always fix their issues and improve. Brandon Stephens is playing awful no question but Maulet just came back so Marlo can play outside and Wiggins gets better every week. I guarantee they will be back to a legit defense by the playoffs. Maybe not great but good enough. I guarantee it!! Most of their problems is explosive plays and that will go way way down.
26:30 I am not used to hearing "Up there with the Jags" and I'm reeling ;-) #DUUUVAL
Packers fan here. I completely agree with Dan's comment on Love. Rodgers is infamous for losing his cool and breaking down if he throws an early pick, or completely cutting off receivers if they drop a ball. Even under LaFleur, if the offense got punched in the face, they just gave up.
Love is not like that at all, he truly processes the game one play at a time. Love has no qualms about taking shots and trying to move the ball. Ever. Even if a receiver has butter hands that game, Love will still go back to him if he is open. There's a level of trust in his teammates, his coaches and himself that is just so unbelievably refreshing. Yeah, the picks will probably come back to bite us in the ass eventually, but god is it fun to watch him connect on those risky passes.
A true gunslinger. He’s fully aware of how him and his team is are playing, but he just doesn’t care. All he wants is to make a play on every down he’s on the field. I think that helps elevate the defense too. They feel free to play their game, bc they trust jordan won’t be swayed by the game script
People seem to overlook the Packers receiver group is very young and still getting more experience playing under LaFleur's schemes. Granted Love probably bears the burden of how that pass offense operates in structure and piloting things out of structure. But all those reps together will pay dividends in the near future especially in high leverage out of structure situations.
I promise you the majority of bengals fans have no idea what’s going on with the bengals
Evan Williams has been a massive piece of our secondary in GB, and Cooper the rookie LB, we are getting good work outta these rookies. On the love side everyone cries he throws interceptions, i will take the gutsy gunslinger who wants to win rhe game instead of worrying about his stat line which is what it felt like with Rodgers and his "ball safety" in the laat few years
As a jets fan hearing what’s going on with the saints bc of the ‘17 class reminds me of what’s going on with the jets rn with ‘22 class
I comment this before watching the show because I don't want my thoughts to be in influenced by your way superior football knowledge but I feel like Washington's Defense deserves some more attention. Everybody is (rightfully) giving a lot of props to JD and the offense, but in the mean time Dan Quinn is doing wonders making sure his defense that on paper should be one of the worst in the league doesn't give up 30+ points, and he is - in ways I do not currently comprehend - doing so. (And I'm not even a true Commanders fan lol)
It is amusing that picks get spun as a positive when the defense is great.
Need to hear yall talk about how Denver is doing what they're doing with the dead cap they have, the youth they have and the fact that Bo is looking good with damn near the worst receiving core in the NFL
If you could explain why some teams get the 'x' player is injured and that effected the team. While other teams don't get a mention that a bunch of starters are out. There doesn't seem to be any reason other it fits their story line of x team is awesome, missing that one player really caused that team to lose.
Its a travesty what Bradon Staley did to a talented chargers roster
Its even more of a travesty that Chargers fans drank the koolaid years ago of how he was some defensive savant from the Fangio coaching tree. Now they get to see a real defensive guy put up solid results with nearly the same core group as Staley had a year ago.
Packers fan, I'm still hearing the packers biggest weakness is the lack of a big name receiver. They ignore the weak oline and lack of pass rush
Mine is the fact that the giants run game is significantly better since we dropped Barkley and spent the money on lineman
you could argue the ravens’ pass d is the sole reason we are not undefeated at the moment
Chargers S and secondary is definitely playing better but here are the QBs they have faced…. Bryce Young, Aidan OConnell, Justin Fields, Bo Nix, Kyler Murray, Spencer Rattler, James Winston and Mahomes. We wil see how the secondary does against better QBs
As KD said to Stephen A. Smith, the national media are clowns to me.
If your line cant protect stay under the centers ass- If you drop back you are toast if either Def End beats his block - or an unprotected blitzer gets thru!!
I hope Brett see’s this comment because Joel Klatt literally called Michigan under Harbaugh an anaconda as well and it’s crazy that his new team had that identity as well
It is crazy how bad Baltimore defense has been with McDonald departure. But Seattle defense hasn't been anything impressive, either.
National Media keeps getting the details around Jamo wrong. Saying he bet on football back when he got suspended when it was for checking his basketball bets while on team property. They keep painting this troubled youth narrative on him when hes truly a stand up guy who has embraced the lions culture.
Also Brett, as a Chiefs fan... WHY MUST YOU TELL ME THESE THINGS ABOUT MINTER'S DEFENSE???
5:23 "I dont think any Free Agent that has came to a new team has made more of an impact than Xavier McKinney has for the Packers".
Maybe on defense but what about Henry?
Henry turned an elite offence into the best in the league. McKinney turned a turd of a defence into a top 10 unit. I think the ravens are still elite without Henry, the packers are below average without Mckinney
I have actually been yapping about this a lot because it makes me mad that people keep putting lamar in the mvp conversation
Going into week 8 henry had 150 more rushing yards than second place (barkley with the eagles) Lamar at 5th had 100 less than geno at 1st, the difference between Henry and Second place is farther then 1st to 5th on passing yards which should be bigger numbers
The Ravens are also 1-3 in games that Henry got less than 20 carries with the only win being the bengals game that they won in overtime by a field goal
The Ravens are UNDEFEATED when they give the best player on the team the ball and they keep refusing to do it
Henry has 'completed' a functional offense in a way that CMC has done for the Niners and to some extent Saquon for the Eagles. But it makes sense because those outlier RBs were the 'whole' offense for team at some point and put up results. But being multipliers to a team with a bunch of talent on offense when schemed right is going to put results regardless. McKinney being the guy that completes a Packers defense where it is known their edge/D-line is getting to be great and have other pieces on DBs (Alexander but oft injured) was something nobody really saw in 2024. Even now when Packers DC Halfley is starting to get into his bag coaching wise and putting results.
Great question! "What does the media gets wrong" with your local team?
Is the ravens run defense even all that good or is their pass defense so incredibly bad it's more efficient to just throw on every snap
By "all that good" I am referring to their spot as the #1 run defense I'm not suggesting they're bad
My current Packers fan babble is that the Jordan Love arc has been a part of Matt LaFluer’s development plan. Otherwise, I can’t reconcile the differences in play calling philosophy between 2024 Jordan Love and Malik Willis, and even first/second half of 2023 Jordan Love
Am I crazy, or do teams seem to rely more on Zone coverage looks against GB, knowing that if they sit in their looks it will benefit them due to JLove being such a gunslinger?
Absolutely inexcusable how bad the Ravens defense is. We had five guys on our defensive staff last year that would have done a better job than Orr. At what point does this reflect on Harbaugh? Harbaugh gets almost no criticism from non Ravens fans. He’s the NFL’s Doc Rivers.
Seeing my Packers have a good defense after Rodge is gone genuinely pisses me off, the years wasted with he who must not be named and Pettine and Capers, god how I despise our organization sometimes for these hires, and then keeping them for far far too long, happened with our special teams coaches as well, mainly Drayton and Mennenga. Imcompotentce robbed Rodge of even more
Stroud has basically the same stats he had last year. Trying to blame a guard for the entirety of a qbs struggles is absurd.
Btw Zach baun is another saints pick that left and succeeded somewhere else. Dude is playing out of his mind rn
11 of 31 ... sad Stroud problem
11 of 30 missing top two receivers and taking 8 sacks a ton of pressures and hits running for his life because of the Oline
with the Jordan love stuff too you know he's gonna get hot. it hasn't happened yet - and they're 6-2
i think its a case where hes going to get his yards and TDs regardless. Eventually the INT luck will fall his way and then the numbers will be stupid.
49ers despite there struggles this year have there best rookie class in years
I don’t think bears or national media is talking enough about the possibility of flus getting extended because Caleb is able to drag him along. It’s frightening. I hope the bears utterly collapse a few times to get flus fired
Saints did have AT Perry…
Raiders staying irrelevant for another week!
Rather than spending the entire episode talking about the same teams every show is talking about it would be way better to spend like 5-10 min on each team. The Packers get plenty of coverage and don't need any more episodes dedicated to them. Same with the Strouds. Would be nice to see some national coverage on the teams not being talked about rather than new topics for the same old teams.
I think the chargers are way better than people think, herbert isn’t lightning it up but that’s because he doesn’t have to because the run game is so good and the defense is so good
This channel should have local people from each team talk about their nfl team!
This would be such a cool concept for a new offseason preview segment
@ I’m never listen to the national media they don’t know what’s going on for all 32 teams!
I’m available to talk Lions.
Maybe they can team up/collab with Locked on. Joe for the bills is a daily listen. Love the concept
7:51 What is that word? I want that word you used to describe his path to becoming a successful player. I can’t spell it 🧍🏾♂️.
Huge miss. The Minnesota Vikings are the one and only team that repeatedly gets ignored. Always about their opponents. It’s a very weird phenomenon
We’ve talked about them quite a bit this year tbh
You won’t admit u guys were wrong about Russ and the Steelers tho
You got wrong what my team is
Dennis allen is a top 3 worst HC all time
Not everyone can do Herbert sophomore year, stroud pick it up buddy
The Detroit Lions, well Goff still somehow gets little respect, but that's finally that's changing so maybe not as relevant as it was (he's a 'game manager'-yeah so was TB12, it's only a QBs most important job). And I think Dan Campbell is still perceived as a risk-taking meathead. A Lions player back in 2022 said, I think word for word, "the more you think he's just a rah rah meathead, the farther ahead of you he is strategically'
ok tom brady was not a game mamager. do not say that
@@obtusemooose Yes he was, the best game manager in the history of the game which is WHY he is the best QB to date this league has ever seen. Managing the game, starts the second the whistle blows the previous play is dead. TB12 used every tenth of a second to be ahead of the other team. He didnt scramble, didnt have a great arm, but he ran the machine better than anyone
TB12 isn't A game manager, he is THE game manager. It's a compliment, not a slight.....despite the fact that most people seem to interpret it as such. Goff is emerging as the next elite game manager in the league now. The narrative that the national media pushed on him is slowly starting to turn, which is nice to see, as he is the most disrespected/under-respected elite QB in the NFL today. There are only 3 QBs now that I would rather have under center than Goff......Mahomes, Josh Allen & Lamar Jackson. The list of QBs I would take Goff ahead of includes: Hurts, Stroud, Love, Purdy, Dak, Stafford, Rodgers, Kyler, Lawrence, Caleb, & Jayden....among others. Goff is about to "game manage" his way to a Super Bowl ring & an MVP this year & even that won't be enough to convince some people that he is elite bc they can't seem to let go of past narratives or comprehend the fact that players can grow & develop with time & experience.
@Snoil no he wasnt. what is your definition of game mamager. constantly turning offenses that were not insanely talented into the best in the league, constant playoff heroics, mvps, being able to turn any reciever into a good one just by his presence. thats ridiculous. he had plenty of talent. not on rodgers level sure but lets not pretend.
@@obtusemoooseyes, he really was. His playoff heroics consisted of cheering on his defense and dumping it off to the slot/RB/Gronk. He's the best manager to ever manage an offense. He wasn't winning it with his athletics. How is this so hard for you?
Gimme chargers secondary with Steelers defensive line. Plzzzz
Steelers were projected to come 4th In the AFC north😂
Wow NFL and AFC North fans were wrong.
People need to apologise to Russ and Mike Tomlin
The chargers defense has played terrible offenses
We love the steelers and coach t, but.....he hasn't won a playoff game in years, and gets beat by offensive minded head coaches. Never having a losing record is great, but we want wins in January and February
Love how these guys spent 15+ minutes glazing the Chargers defense even tho we already saw them get wrecked by a relatively sleep walking Chiefs team.
Guys there's a reason these stories don't get national coverage. Nobody cares or believes in them. The Chargers could have the '85 Bears defense and they'd still Charger it right up when it counts.