How Much Power & Torque Does A Broken Rotary Engine Make?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ธ.ค. 2018
- This week on Living With A Rotary, Alex takes the RX-8 to the dyno to find out how much power & torque this engine doesn't make!
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Man...£650 is a lot of money for a sock...but at least a car came with it
Thats probly cheaper than gucci
@@Emppu_T. well its not...
@@wiktorjaciow9815 it is though. bahahah. gucci is overpriced as shit
The cheap rx8s are all gone now sad
For the money it you paid, making it to the dyno and back home is an amazing accomplishment and well worth the investment.
Smart assistance for 2 wheelers
hi there!
Why does Alex have an obsession with broken red RWD Mazda's
Because the exterior design is beautiful. And it has a great suspension. Sadly the wankel engine had its balls cut off due to emissions... Which is what ruins the whole car.
@@Chris-yy7qc sure the emissions is the only problem with the wankel engine xD
Good handling
@@assi2assi mayor problem are the seals and high boost power
@@NegroRotary RX8s don't have boost...
Step 1:
Buy a dirt cheap running maserati quatroporte
Step 2:
Insert glorious flat plane V8 into mazda rx8.
Step 3:
TH-cam it as a genuine mazdarati.
@carthrottle
Roadkill have that name first "mazdaratti"
Yeehaw, LS swap errting ! 😂
Roadkill’s Mazdarati was stolen recently. We likely won’t see that car ever again.
Awesome plan but Maserati's use a cross plane crank. Sounds amazing though.
Love that it came with a free sock.. Why do i never get that :(
never throw away that sock
My JDM import came with a 1 yen coin and a sick Japanese metal CD.
Rx8 is free
It is not a free sock, it is a pair of mens underwear :))
I got 96p in change and a few Mcdonalds sugars with my most recent car purchase. Couldn't believe my luck.
Lol didn't think you'd make the blinker fluid joke...
He saw it in the comments
Lol😄
Yeah Chris fix lol
It’s a bmw thing not a rotary
#chrisfix
*ChrisFix has a great tutorial on Blinker Fluid Change, Check it out*
Your on here to lmao
So does Bleepin Jeep. It's important to keep that fluid topped off.
Shit that reminds me I need to top mine up, where do I buy some, I can't find it anywhere
I seriously need to know who invented blinker fluid?
Wut even is blinker fluid 🤔🤔🤔
My FC RX7 has 223,000 miles on her and 0 rebuilds on the engine. Never skipped a beat, and still no signs of smoke coming out the exhaust. ;)
Wow. you're taking care of your FC3S really nice!
Yes they can last. The highest mileage rotary that ive heard of on forums is 400,000
*DORITO POWERRRR!!!*
Or lack of it
Iam eatind doritos rn
Dude a Doritos ad played before the vid what's going on here
*POWAAAAAH*
Kansei Dorito
Never clicked so fast
Fastest click in the west
Matt Smith i clicked very slowly. Held my finger on the notification for like 4 minutes
These weekly videos are the best, love being able to plan to watch a Car Throttle video!! But, we need much more of them.
This was my first car and it's so funny seeing you guys have the same problems I did. My car ended up with a blown engine and that little rotary cost me thousands in repairs to keep it alive. Still had my fun with it though 😁😂
Missing out on an extra 1,000 rpm there. PIN IT!
My thoughts exactly. Although looking at the power curve drop it's not going to help this poor rotary.
stock s1 doesnt really make power past 8k so stopping there makes sense
was wondering if anyone else noticed that...
@@MrDrJelly nope, 231hp at 8'200rpm...
if the car has max 9000 rpm the hp peak is at 8000... something. usually in racing they still hit 9000 because the gear is shorter than the next one meaning it will be faster to hit redline and heaving more rpm for more power in the next gear to accelerate faster out of it...
idk how to explain but you get what i mean
1:38 damn, Phil looked so stock, and slick, back in the Olden days!
glad I took that 10K/year lip reading program at uni, I was able to decipher 3:36 successfully - "That's ducking terrific."
nailed it!
I genuinely don't know why my RX8 was so reliable. Started first time, every time up to the point I sold it at 92k miles. Still running perfectly with it's new owner. Never treated it gently either. 9k was hit every time I drove it, wasn't a rev limit, it was a rev target.
I still miss it.
If you heat it up and then rev it to the limiter it should last a long time.
Yup. Seems that way. First 5 minutes was never above 3.5k rpm. After that, onwards and upwards. Got to get that third port open.
These cars have a place now. It was a silly buy back in the day when they were new, because you had to be a proper petrol head to maintain it and as a daily driver it is so uneconomical. but when you can buy one now for £600 and rebuild it for the cost of replacing a turbo on a convetional engine it's very interesting if you want some weekend or track day fun. When you consider its main rival the 350z is still 7k for decent one, makes you realise.... I'm very interested to see the rest of this series.
I have been thinking of buying a dilapidated rx8 for a while. This was a great video for me, instant click!
Don't do it unless you have a good chunk of money laying around
Sure you could buy one for less than $1000 but it will take an additional $5000 or $6000 to get it up to 100%.
Veen waiting for this video all week.
I'm so excited for this series
This series is gonna be so good!
Can not wait to see how the inside of the engine is (looks like). Hope replacing the apex seals and resealing the engine will help. If done already, feed it some fine oil to let it feel the love! :) Keep it up, rev it well.
My RX8 is named Mazdalena :) and her engine is being rebuilt at the moment so this series came just at the right time!
SoldfMC why would you not put a rew instead dumb ass haha
keyboard warriors :D
Keisuke Takahasi how?
Do yourself a favor and swap the engine with a v8 or inline 6.
@@glock1inthetop45 You cant just stuff a rew in and call it a day. For the amount of money it would take, you could rebuild an RX-8 engine at least 8 times
Loving this series.
Charlie! The man, the legend. Nails the diagnosis with a direct eloquence, as always. 👍
Why do you stop the Dyno at 8000? It still has 1250 rpm, and its peak power is way up there at the red line
My thoughts exactly. Didn't exactly rev it out
RX-8 can 10k RPM max.
It's over 9000!
You don't make peak power at 9000rpm unless you have some serious porting done.
Exactly, it can go to 9250 rpm, Peak power should be around 8500-8750 I think. But at least I am sure that not 8000 rpm.
above the exhaust you should put T-Series repelant
Thank you for making this video, I’m about to buy rx8 but i need details guide on what to do on rx8.. i’ll wait for another episode on your rx8
The top gear of youtube, fantastic quality and good entertainment.
100% voted for Brad (the money pit) 😂😂😂😂
Altin Fetoshi no, don't vote for anything, we (as in me and others on the comments of last week's video) want the car to be called mia (after NFSMW)
Didn't bring it to redline, scripted for higher power when the rebuilt one does
And thats were the powers at i cought that my self
1:36 Damn Phil looked so different before. Can’t wait for the new paint job! 😊👍🏽
Nice to see SRR (although it's technically Hampshire Rolling Road lol) and Charlie featured. I've been there over the years and he knows his stuff.
That Subie wagon in the background!
IAmAStegosaurus can you tell me wot time @ ??
Isnt that an early legacy?
@@kingofohio5689 0:35
IAmAStegosaurus oh thanks
My 1984 RX-7 came with 101 from factory. I’d love to know how much it’s making, after 30
years.
Loving this series!
IM SO GLAD YOU GOT A ROTARY. WELCOME TO THE FAM
My 20b FD RX7 dyno’d at 931hp. So I don’t know what your talking about low HP 😎. 26b coming 2019...20b is for sale!
I watch ur vids love ur r33
These rev to 9.5k and the power is right up top and the tester only took it to 8k :/
Power drops off so its pointless. You can run them over 10k if you like, but there's absolutely no point.
@@petertr2000 they have no torque they need to be revved
Demekpr4e n
@@lilpattman do you know how bhp works? its a function of torque, if it makes no torque at high rpm then it wont make any power either
Or the thing wouldnt rev to 9+
Oh my god..next week....>< Can't wait for that!
Pretty cool series. Hope the next vid will come also this year.
I like how the rotor falls off in the intro😂👌
I'm happy you bought a RX8. Because I never dared to
I dared to. Best sports car I've ever bought. I touged with an evo and stuck with it the whole time, only slightly losing my gain on the straight aways
@@mendezmarcos38 yo its possible to buy a rx8 and change the engine so it consumes less fuel ? just asking cuz i really like this car but need to spend less money on fuel
Great series!
I have waited sooo long for this
Love ur vids
👍🏼
Haha
R.I.P Hentai Haven
Wait really?
Wasn't that text fake?
Please,fucc off.
Gamerstype LP Haha did it close 😂
It had the best comment section ever not that i would have been there (lennyface)
Got some car throttle goodies for Christmas!
I love your videos man.
Does it use standard or synthetic blinker fluid?
I've owned my Rx-8 since she was brand new. Bought in 2007, she never let me down and I had a lot of fun with her. I would never regret going Wankel. (=
Her name is Roxette, but friends call her RoX-8. She's green, with a black roof, black rims, orange details here and there and black and orange interiors. Pretty unique, since I made her myself.
To prevent the apex seals from deteriorating too quickly, I made a modification to the oil circuit. Now I have a small additional 2 stroke oil tank and the oil metering pump draws from there, so the seals get better lubrication, better cooling and don't get stuck by the gummy waste motor oil leaves when it burns. I also like to mix a small amount of the same 2 stroke oil into my fuel tank. 100cc for every 50€ refuel should do (around 30L), twice as much for a full tank. It's one tenth of what I use for my 2 stroke moped, by the way xD
You revved yours up to just 8500 rpm... the max power output should be at higher rpm than that, but I guess many people already told you this in the comments. Call her Felicia in the name of Felix Wankel ;)
Great Video....Like :)...I live in Switzerland an own the Maxda Rx-8 year 2004. Great and fun car , juppie....
I finally let my 04 RX8 go this year. I bought it new (winning blue sport 6 speed) and loved that car more than any other vehicle I ever owned. But the 2nd engine was starting to show "signs" at 120k miles.. and there was a list of other issues that all-in-all was going to cost a big pile to get back to 100%. These cars - when properly sorted- are a blast to drive anywhere (and look good too). Think S2000 with more room and a back seat. Good luck with the build.
Really appreciate this series... I've been super tempted to buy one of these as a daily but I know it's a terrible idea 😣 So much car for the money and I love them but running costs are horrific and the lack of reliability would stress me
They are perfectly reliable. Just make sure you either get a compression test before you buy OR factor in the cost of an engine rebuilt into your purchase. Once done, and properly looked after, they're great.
@@petertr2000 Ok cheers, I'll look into it some more!
@@pz189 Ay 3 years later, did you get one?
@@pz189 Ay 5 years later, did you get one?
Mad Mike has a badbull rx-8. You my friend have a deadbull haha
Saw one of these on auto trader the other day 2200 pounds 45k miles 2006 year compression tested good to go 1 lady owner from new full spec. Was tempted
di it!
keep this up as i am looking at one of these , always liked em, looking at one a bit more mint than that one tho
Missing the Altezza build. This should be good as well, though.
I didn't expect to see you here.
do a giveaway for the free soccc
Luuk Roper LMAO 😂😂😂
ffs you can have it! I want no part of it. Could have had some American Pie action ... eeewwww
@@stubones it's free ct merch, I'm not going to complain 😂
Charlie is so cool and funny while extremely good at his job.
YOOOO sick legacy wagon on the hoist in the back!
A few more runs, and it would make about 60 hp?
*Fix da Apex seals.*
Fit a 3 rotor
He says at the end of the video that he is going to rebuild the motor
I loooove this series :D
This jacket is just perfect for christmas gift!!
What blinker fluid brands you guys recommend? I need to change mine.
ChrisFix's is industry standard
@@alexkersten1964 there's a video about it too, must be a reputable brand.
Rebuild it. It's cheap and easy. Then drive it another 70k miles
That'll be rebuild #3....
Its not a cheapfix i think about 1k ish all included
People always seem offending about rebuilding rotaries. Lol I mean, even if it's every 10k miles, whatever. I drive my 7 on the weekends, when the weather is nice. I maybe put 2000 miles on a year. I'm well past 10k miles on a 450hp motor. Closer to 18k. I'm gonna test it down this winter. The rebuild will cost me like $2000. And the motor is now like 8 years old since I built it. $2000, every 8 years... shit, lets cut that time in half, and quadruple the price. $8000, every 4 years. That's like 3 weeks pay.
Rafas Garage rebuild every 25k tbh
Big 'ol Booty Cheeks if ur making 8000 in three weeks then who gives a fuck about reliability anyways.
Great video, but got more interested in the legacy rs in the background for a while 😂
Repair video! NOW!
Love your vids
Break week next week, but after that we have tear down and rebuild vids coming!
I know that this engine has oil injectors, but how about adding a little of oil to the gas as well? Just to help with lubricanting the center of the seal, but not too much to screw up the mixture?
A lot of owners do that, and I do it too. ;)
It is called premix. The engine loves it. I put 250 ml of 2stroke oil for 60 l of fuel.
@@alexandrerousselin4467 Or just buy a series 2 (2009 to 2012). They have the extra center injector and use less oil too.
A quart of 2 stroke in it, could work
@@kevinwildash5726 Just buy an R3?
Not that easy... They are more expensive and rare in Europe...
Not mentioning that the design is a little bit different, and not everybody likes the design of the R3
@@alexandrerousselin4467 I liked the R3 design so much I bought one new in 2010 and still have it. It's just coming up to 20,000 km and completely stock - I occasionally go for a blast in the hills on weekends. In Australia the R3 is called the GT version just to confuse everybody overseas lol. But yes, they are hard to find mainly because Mazda sold so few of them due to the bad reputation that the series 1 got. It's a pity. But I love mine.
rotary engines have more seals than just the apex seals. just saying.
Happy New year to you all
Yes love this show!
Buy a classic car e.g. ford cortina or escort
Excellent Engineering oooh i fricking love classic fords also sierra cossie would be awesome! I own a sierra '84 gl
Just too expensive ;D
@@mandernachluca3774 then why not chose a ford fiesta mk2 1.1L ;)
@@robertg.tibelljohansson7869
I don't know what your paying over there but we europeans (if Brexit actually happens ;D) haven't gotten any luck with escorts, even 1.1 mk2s cost a small fortune for what they are. I always wanted a classic dog bone mk1 RS1600 :D.
Pos
You want your rx8 reliable ? Change oil, check oil at the right time, and also change spark plugs and coils, a bad ignition can lead to engine problems .. premix if you have a series 1, a series 2 already has 3 oil injectors. I am a rx8 r3 owner, it has 145.340km and the only i thing i had to do beasides regular maintenance was the cat ! If you do it right, you may not get problems, but if you dont respect the maintenace of the car and dont do it properly, and you drive like a pig without the engine being warm, its probably is going to fail ! This is my personal experience 👌🏻
Premix even with the oil injectors in the late models for good measure.
@Polyglotgiorno90 Stay strong, I'm sure you'll find yourself back on the road in a beautiful rx-8 soon after those accidents. I wrecked two Hondas and I'm trying my best to find myself a car that pays homage to the cars I liked so much, insurance is a cunt but you live, learn, and rise up from your mistakes in better shape than you were before.
I got my red rx8 with good compression and no panel damage for £800 quid.
Probably wouldn’t make good TH-cam content tho!
Well done. We need more rotary vids 👍🏻
Love the looks of the car
It's running low on blinker fluid🤣🤣
yup thats the problem obviously. missing blinker fluid xD
You could fix most of the cars issues with a bucket of elbow grease
There is a reason you can get these for £650 🙈
Cornwall1888 cause some idiot doesn’t know how to take care of them
@@glock1inthetop45 cuz maintinence is worth more than the car in the long run lol
@@ltsjoke5443 the cost to maintain my Hyundai costs more then my rx7 ever has lmao
@@glock1inthetop45 no they're just shut cars. Some womm at work had a awd version still couldn't drive in snow
girlsdrinkfeck they ever made an all wheel drive RX8.
You should see those dips in the power curve. That is correct operation of the variable intake runners and auxiliary ports opening up.
Three dips. Always, any dyno that doesn't have this has the resolution turned down.
A fast starter helps immensely with the hot starting issue. This helps to the point where it will die while idling before you get to a point of not being able to start on the first place.
It can be helpful to run thicker oil to help seal compression a little better. However, at some point you just need to rebuild.
Oh my god I sold my old RX8 for £350 and it was much better condition then yours
Shit, I sold it way too cheap 😕
John S - idiot.
@@I_know_what_im_talking_about yep I am
But then when your daily drive is a Cayman S I'm not too upset to see the back of that rotory engine
@@johns5493 so a much more uninteresting car, k
Don’t say blinker fluid we are in the UK
It just goes to show that Alex cannot make a video without watching a dozen achris Fix and other videos. This is a commecrcial channel where ai think most of the audience own their "first car". It's real tripe with wannbe car journalists as presenters.
Good point
Missed that Bang Bang of the Rotary boys!😂👍
0:59 oh god that was a familiar sound (I rather stunningly bought my RX-8 even after it stalled due to trashed apex seals THREE TIMES during my test drive of it)
Hey Alex if you are reading this then I hope that the rx8 works out and you can show the world that rx8 are reliable cars.
By doing a LS swap
No
i too buy extremely balanced, well handling and lightweight cars to then swap out their front-mid engine and replace it with a solid hunk of metal hanging over the front axle.
No, just no
K24 the world
@@sirhamsteralot3977
>unironically thinking ls motors are heavy pieces of garbage
kek
You realize this car makes peak power at 8500 rpm and you were never reaching that right? Try again, I bet you'll see about 170-175
Love the RX-8 its a awesome vehicle and one of the greatest tuners around 🙂
That place is next to my old diamond drilling yard lol. Castle &pryor Seen some mad cars in there some days
Thanks for all the votes guy let’s hope this rx8 gets called Felix
Call the car TIM it's short for Timothy.
Merry Christmas fam
This is gonna be one hell of a project car
A turbo would fix that compression right up.... just saying
Pretty sure thats not how it works :p
The renesis dont turbo for crap
Turbo + broken bits = more broken bits...
Dude this is sloppy mechanics that's exactly how that works.......
Oops wrong channel.
You literally don't know anything about anything if you thinks it's that easy
He didn't even rev it all the way out though. Not even close
So 8k is not even close, considerind the engine is damaged.
No point, Power had already dropped off 😂
Low compression will not inhibit the engine from revving to it's full extent, nor will it damage it any further than it already is damaged, which is effectively, it's not damaged, it is not actually "broken" it's just worn out and tired. Unless something like detonation or preignition happens, this engine can be revved to 10k all day long and not miss a beat. Nice try though.
no need to it allready dropped power twice on all 3 runs reving it wouldnt make anymore power just make the line longer
@@adamhorrell9030 you're wrong. It dropped where the SSV and VDI open up, there is a miniscule drop in power as those valves open up and the PCM recalculates the AFR needed to continually make power.
Hopefully it's just seals and basic stuff to fix that compression issue. If it's truly dickered, swap a straight 6 into it (if it will fit).
I bought my RX8 for £100 last year. Hot start issues as expected. After a good de-carb and a bit of a WD40 spray to the A seals it turns out the A seals were just stuck and was good as new... Still had it rebuilt with Rotary Revs. (If you get it rebuilt 100% get it ported at the same time)
Has to be oiliver 😂😂
I agree its a rotary after all
Your suggestion gets an apex seal of approval 😁
@@Emppu_T. 🤣😂
Please sir , can I have some more (oil)?
Hey random person scrolling down the comments..
Happy Holidays :)
Interesting... Mine is suffering too, but somehow it still pulls 2nd gear like mad. Unless I'm just not noticing it. I have been in healthy RX-8's before, but they had a map tune, so of course it would feel different. I hope the rebuild process goes smoothly.
I just wanna see the 330d back on the channel! Will be interesting to see what the engine looks like in the poorly RX8 though!