Look I'm not against Spartans having “love” interests even though the concept after augmentation is almost foreign to them. However, if you're going to do one especially if it's been two who are in the same class at least be respectful to pre-established lore regarding the Spartan behavior.
@@prophetofthe8th I could see a relationship forming during the first months of their kidnapping but I'm sure a child wouldn't understand the concept of love and the indoctrination would have scrubbed those feelings away for the sake of squad cohesion to be inhibited by emotions. Love for Spartan 2s is like said foreign to them but there are examples in the lore such as Kelly upon seeing John (after though dead) sprinted to him and swiped her finger across his visor. The gesture is called the “Spartan Smile” However I believe they do it to their visor instead of the others as a form of greeting but it felt more intimate in that instant. Also Chief has admitted that Kelly is attractive and someone told her that he's John's favorite which amused her. Some believe this is proof of romantic love but I think it's more sibling/best friend because Kelly along with Sam are his first friends. Fred, on the other hand, he's a fucking smooth criminal the dude is obviously in love with Vita Lopis and vice versa but because of his upbringing he behaves so awkwardly that it's funny and Vita is the one doing the love gestures. That last example is how you write a Spartan with a love interest because it corresponds with the established lore of Spartan 2 behavior. Sorry for the essay.
Hey man, Red Team in the SII program had multiple 'itterations' or 'variations' so to say, so it was likely an unmentioned subunit of Red Team. An example of these units is Beta-Red.
I like that Halsey ran this strict screening for the spartan 2 program, and half were still psychopaths. Like lil Jerome might be good now, but if he was only used on rebels he would’ve become a special kind of villain.
Black team acts how I’d imagine soldiers who were kidnapped as children and treated as weapons would. I say this considering that fostering emotionally mature killing machines was probably secondary to developing efficient and mission oriented killing machines 😂
I am still secretly hoping that the Black team that died, was really Spartan IVs that was disguised as a cover up for the real Black team that is MIA out in space after the comics. Technically speaking, the comics never started they came home! But this is 343 we're talking about. They hate Halo. :(
Their storyline seems to fit the Spartan 3s more than the Spartan 2s. The hazing part sounds more akin to what the S-IIIs would do. Washouts or spartans. The washouts, the ones who didn't make the cut to become a Spartan, got kept to train the new spartan 3 companies. In Ghost of Onyx, the washouts were described as extremely mean and bitter to their successors, often bullying them. And the Spartan 2s in training, well. They have reason for wanting to take the training seriously. They witness the deaths of their family at the hands of the Covvies. And seeing two fellow Spartans slacking off would make them feel the memory of their families is being disrespected. [Although, they might not care if their felllow spartans were slacking off in training, space was limited. If their fellow spartans washouted, good. More room for those who want to become spartans.]
This storyline here is a perfect example of why 343 shouldn’t be in charge of halo they don’t act like Spartans and then they have the audacity to say the didact didn’t die and then killed this team of Spartans. Has to be one of the stupidest decisions made in the 343 era. Can’t believe they’re still in control of the franchise.
They took the dynasty that was haloce-reach and tore it to the ground they hollowed it out and wore it like a skin suit like what happened to vice news
@@starhammer5247makes sense 💀 bro even though they still act like children the should still have the skills of a spartan 2 right? And they died as if they were just a bunch of marines, he’ll actually I think marines could have put up a better fight 💀
I think you confused Black 3 and 4. 1:26 you call Victor 4, but his sleeve there clearly shows 3, and a couple of seconds before, we see 4 and 1 on the sleeves of Margaret and Oto.
Hold up… are we not gonna talk about Marvel making Halo comics? Never been much of a comic book guy but I do obviously really like Marvels movies and I’ve watched videos about some of the lore from he comic books. But this is actually still baffling
Yeah they made the comics for a while, during the bungie era mostly. There is some good stuff in there! Read hell jumpers and the fall of reach comics, those are fantastic! Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore it had potential but they fumbled it. It just doesn't fit. Like the more human aspect is fine. But that nonsense I'm training, they would have been kicked out.
I wouldn't say that the Red Team is the Red Team that we get in HW. Red Team is practically the biggest team in the S2 program and everyone was practically in it before they branched off and had their own designated teams. We see this in Reach when almost everyone in S2 program was under the Red Team. By the events of HW, the Red Team is just those 3. Could've most likely had been 4 but I understand RTS games typically only give out 3 hero units and that's most likely why they were left as such as majority of teams are comprised of 4 (because the Halo FPS has 4 players integration gameplay because Xbox can connect 4 controllers).
Black Team is the Bad Batch of Halo. And kidnapped children being conditioned and groomed to be super soldiers having scuffles and other thing during training and before augmentations is still pargely believable. They're basically middle schoolers. The way they were killed was still bullshit.
I don’t hate 343, never did actually. I think they excelled in expanding the universe lore wise more than bungie did, and I find things redeemable about all of their games. I like 4 and I like 5, it’s multiplayer anyway. I don’t hate any of the halo games, I just enjoy what I can about each. Thanks for watching!
Any criticism is “bad” according to 343 fans because they don’t have any kind of reading comprehension. They just default to treating everything as a death threat 😂😂😂💀💀💀💀
It’s amazing how everyone just assumes everything bad in Halo lore is automatically 343, despite the fact the only part that is 343 is that they died to the Didact.
@@unclesamloreThe difference is that bungie had active disdain for the lore and would not incorporate most of it into their story. They considered the lore to largely exist outside and not a part of the game’s world. This is why Halo reach is the way that is it is. It’s a direct middle finder to the lore. Meanwhile 343 will make games whose story doesn’t even make sense unless you’ve read the lore. To them, the lore is gospel… at least their lore is. They’re quick to retcon the forerunners
@@EggEnjoyerI find Bungie's middle finger to the EU to be incredibly based. This is their world, their story, and they were expected to adhere to lore that they had nothing to do with. Which was only a problem to begin with because of corporate meddling. It's like if Tolkien or George Lucas suddenly had to adhere to fanfiction written by other people. Imagine if Lucas felt obligated to incorporate all the lore about the Clone Wars before the prequels existed, even though he never had anything to do with that stuff. Like, no fuck off, this is their story, they'll tell it the way they want to.
@@nagger8216 Exactly. I hate these halo lore nerds. My favorite video is when hidden Expheria brings up some trash lore while talking to Mary O’Donnell and Marty literally just rolls his eyes and sighs.
@@EggEnjoyerWhy should Bungie have to adhere to the books made by authors and companies that microsoft contracted? Joe Staten and his crew are far better writers than any of the hacks that made content for Halo’s EU. I see nerds crying that they retconned the Battle of Reach into a full blown 3 month long war instead of a minor struggle, or how Spartans never had energy shielding until 2552? These authors just had no idea what they were doing.
Stuff like this is why I just ignore all the halo lore. If it don’t pertain to the game’s story, it’s just fluff and nonsense to me. I’m not opposed to outside lore existing. But it needs to be concise and written by 1 person or a small team of writers. A team of writers who either directly write or oversee all outside media. And keep it limited. Not an infinite number of books and comics. It needs to be meticulous and planned out. I’m sorry but the halo lore needs a reboot like with Star Wars. We can rewrite and retell the good stuff and just leave out the nonsense (why tf kill off Rookie? Make him the new leader protagonist of ODST 2 you COWARDS!)
Eh I don’t think so, this is the only piece of halo lore I can think of that is really iffy. Outside of it, the expanded lore is pretty consistent. I know bungie wasn’t the biggest fan of it, but a lot of cool stuff came out from then until now, at least to me. Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore There’s a lot of stuff that don’t add up over time. Like how in halo 4 they describe master chief as an aging spartan and when they show his face, he looks old. Then you read Bad Blood and New Blood and they tell you that Spartans stay young and don’t age. Just stuff like that ads up. I’m not saying nothing cool comes from the lore. I think it just needs to be reset. Keep what’s cool, remove the nonsense.
Yeah man i remember reading about them and how they get disrespected by the Diedact and me staring in disbelief of it like i get it he had the Chief on the ropes but that was one spartan and he had gone through hell before beating on him, but 4? And skilled as Black team was like bruh the SIII headhunters did better then these guys i was like how? And i remember too the reason they had to die was because the Diedact was Pissed at the master chief and said oh your like him so let me just 💀 💀 💀 💀 like really? They could have been used better then ODST guard duty
I'm sorry, but regardless of whether or not a Spartan had a mislabeled FoF tag pop up over one of their teammates, they are smart enough to be able to use their eyes to assess a threat before they rely on their technology to tell them who their enemies are. Whoever wrote this Black Team story wrote it as a hit piece for character assassination. Are we really supposed to believe ONI hand picked the shittiest Spartans as their personal Spartan team?
the disrespect man, I remember reading about them in halo: evolutions. marvel isn't cool for that. also masterchief meets his biological sister in one of the evolutions books.
I loved them in halo evolutions, they were so good. Yeah I remember that story! I’ve read evolutions cover to cover so many times I’ve had to re buy it twice. Thanks for watching!
His sister? Do you mean the girl from the story in new Mombasa? I thought that was just a childhood friend from his home world. Idk maybe that’s from the second volume.
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Like any extended universe stories on any series, the writing and situations that happen can be kinda hit or miss.
Yeah, but either way the comic was still really fun. If a bit weird. Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore i would agree it's interesting. Not my favorite, but I am glad the diversity exists.
I just know it's not always perfect, haha.
Oh same! Variety is the slide of life after all😂
Spartans hazing each other after their initial training is pretty stupid
Oh yeah, really stupid and out of character for them as well. Thanks for watching!
Look I'm not against Spartans having “love” interests even though the concept after augmentation is almost foreign to them. However, if you're going to do one especially if it's been two who are in the same class at least be respectful to pre-established lore regarding the Spartan behavior.
Exactly, it’s just weird how it is handled. Thanks for watching!
Especially considering how the relationship dynamic is mentioned between a squad, brothers and sisters. So it's like dating your own sibling...
@@prophetofthe8th I could see a relationship forming during the first months of their kidnapping but I'm sure a child wouldn't understand the concept of love and the indoctrination would have scrubbed those feelings away for the sake of squad cohesion to be inhibited by emotions. Love for Spartan 2s is like said foreign to them but there are examples in the lore such as Kelly upon seeing John (after though dead) sprinted to him and swiped her finger across his visor. The gesture is called the “Spartan Smile” However I believe they do it to their visor instead of the others as a form of greeting but it felt more intimate in that instant. Also Chief has admitted that Kelly is attractive and someone told her that he's John's favorite which amused her. Some believe this is proof of romantic love but I think it's more sibling/best friend because Kelly along with Sam are his first friends. Fred, on the other hand, he's a fucking smooth criminal the dude is obviously in love with Vita Lopis and vice versa but because of his upbringing he behaves so awkwardly that it's funny and Vita is the one doing the love gestures. That last example is how you write a Spartan with a love interest because it corresponds with the established lore of Spartan 2 behavior. Sorry for the essay.
Hey man, Red Team in the SII program had multiple 'itterations' or 'variations' so to say, so it was likely an unmentioned subunit of Red Team. An example of these units is Beta-Red.
Huh go figure, I didn’t know that! Thanks for watching!
I like that Halsey ran this strict screening for the spartan 2 program, and half were still psychopaths. Like lil Jerome might be good now, but if he was only used on rebels he would’ve become a special kind of villain.
YUUUUP. JEROME WAS A BIT NUTTY. Thanks for watching!
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Black team acts how I’d imagine soldiers who were kidnapped as children and treated as weapons would. I say this considering that fostering emotionally mature killing machines was probably secondary to developing efficient and mission oriented killing machines 😂
No, that's accurate honestly. Thank you for watching!
I am still secretly hoping that the Black team that died, was really Spartan IVs that was disguised as a cover up for the real Black team that is MIA out in space after the comics. Technically speaking, the comics never started they came home!
But this is 343 we're talking about. They hate Halo. :(
As neat as that would be, I severely doubt it. Thanks for watching!
Their storyline seems to fit the Spartan 3s more than the Spartan 2s. The hazing part sounds more akin to what the S-IIIs would do. Washouts or spartans. The washouts, the ones who didn't make the cut to become a Spartan, got kept to train the new spartan 3 companies. In Ghost of Onyx, the washouts were described as extremely mean and bitter to their successors, often bullying them. And the Spartan 2s in training, well. They have reason for wanting to take the training seriously. They witness the deaths of their family at the hands of the Covvies. And seeing two fellow Spartans slacking off would make them feel the memory of their families is being disrespected. [Although, they might not care if their felllow spartans were slacking off in training, space was limited. If their fellow spartans washouted, good. More room for those who want to become spartans.]
Maybe! Although then being 2s makes them even more unique. Thanks for watching!
I don't think Jerome, Alice and Douglas participated on Margaret's beating. They seem pretty chill Spartans in the games. Especially on Halo Wars 2
It’s still a possibility. Unlikely but possible. Thanks for watching!
I love your nerdy voice, it’s sick asf
Thank you! I appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
Can... can we just address the fact that this man, no corrections added, said SEEF CHENIOR PETTY OFFICER AT 1:20????
IM SORRY I HAVE A MILD LISP😭😭
@@unclesamlore it's okay I didn't mean to make it sound like I'm bullying you, it just made me chuckle is all
Oh no I know! It’s all good my man! Thank you for watching!
This storyline here is a perfect example of why 343 shouldn’t be in charge of halo they don’t act like Spartans and then they have the audacity to say the didact didn’t die and then killed this team of Spartans. Has to be one of the stupidest decisions made in the 343 era. Can’t believe they’re still in control of the franchise.
I wish they got a reception arc, it would have been cool. Thanks for watching!
How dare pre augment children act like...children, how dare 343
Edit: Wait most of this is all pre 343, what are you on about?
The only 343 part was their deaths in the comic which was written by the same guy who wrote Halo 5.
They took the dynasty that was haloce-reach and tore it to the ground they hollowed it out and wore it like a skin suit like what happened to vice news
@@starhammer5247makes sense 💀 bro even though they still act like children the should still have the skills of a spartan 2 right? And they died as if they were just a bunch of marines, he’ll actually I think marines could have put up a better fight 💀
I think you confused Black 3 and 4. 1:26 you call Victor 4, but his sleeve there clearly shows 3, and a couple of seconds before, we see 4 and 1 on the sleeves of Margaret and Oto.
Hold up… are we not gonna talk about Marvel making Halo comics? Never been much of a comic book guy but I do obviously really like Marvels movies and I’ve watched videos about some of the lore from he comic books. But this is actually still baffling
Yeah they made the comics for a while, during the bungie era mostly. There is some good stuff in there! Read hell jumpers and the fall of reach comics, those are fantastic! Thanks for watching!
Tbh im just gonna completely ignore this bit of lore as its so stupid.
I don’t blame you, it is a bit silly😂 thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore it had potential but they fumbled it. It just doesn't fit. Like the more human aspect is fine. But that nonsense I'm training, they would have been kicked out.
@@sirflapfla97 yeah that’s easily the weirdest thing about it, like, why.
good video keep it up
Thanks for watching!
Grey team was a bit like this too tho. Jui and Adriana were more then close
Ehhhh. Idk. Grey team be a bit cooky but not that cooky, thanks for watching!
I wouldn't say that the Red Team is the Red Team that we get in HW. Red Team is practically the biggest team in the S2 program and everyone was practically in it before they branched off and had their own designated teams. We see this in Reach when almost everyone in S2 program was under the Red Team. By the events of HW, the Red Team is just those 3. Could've most likely had been 4 but I understand RTS games typically only give out 3 hero units and that's most likely why they were left as such as majority of teams are comprised of 4 (because the Halo FPS has 4 players integration gameplay because Xbox can connect 4 controllers).
They too goofy 😅💯❤️
THEY A BIT SILLY BRUV
wow this story is equally hilarious and garbage, i love it
I feel the same way😂 thanks for watching!
I feel like they just need to reboot Black Team, have them be more like Spartan II’s
Black Team is the Bad Batch of Halo.
And kidnapped children being conditioned and groomed to be super soldiers having scuffles and other thing during training and before augmentations is still pargely believable.
They're basically middle schoolers.
The way they were killed was still bullshit.
thats actually a pretty apt comparison! thanks for watching!
The amount of "Number company bad" comments here is ridiculous.
I don’t hate 343, never did actually. I think they excelled in expanding the universe lore wise more than bungie did, and I find things redeemable about all of their games. I like 4 and I like 5, it’s multiplayer anyway. I don’t hate any of the halo games, I just enjoy what I can about each. Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore Good for you.
Tbh, the only thing I really don't like about 5 is the story.
Number company bad
Any criticism is “bad” according to 343 fans because they don’t have any kind of reading comprehension. They just default to treating everything as a death threat 😂😂😂💀💀💀💀
It’s amazing how everyone just assumes everything bad in Halo lore is automatically 343, despite the fact the only part that is 343 is that they died to the Didact.
Yeah some weird halo lore existed during the bungie days. Either way, thanks for watching!
@@unclesamloreThe difference is that bungie had active disdain for the lore and would not incorporate most of it into their story. They considered the lore to largely exist outside and not a part of the game’s world.
This is why Halo reach is the way that is it is. It’s a direct middle finder to the lore.
Meanwhile 343 will make games whose story doesn’t even make sense unless you’ve read the lore. To them, the lore is gospel… at least their lore is. They’re quick to retcon the forerunners
@@EggEnjoyerI find Bungie's middle finger to the EU to be incredibly based. This is their world, their story, and they were expected to adhere to lore that they had nothing to do with. Which was only a problem to begin with because of corporate meddling. It's like if Tolkien or George Lucas suddenly had to adhere to fanfiction written by other people. Imagine if Lucas felt obligated to incorporate all the lore about the Clone Wars before the prequels existed, even though he never had anything to do with that stuff. Like, no fuck off, this is their story, they'll tell it the way they want to.
@@nagger8216 Exactly. I hate these halo lore nerds.
My favorite video is when hidden Expheria brings up some trash lore while talking to Mary O’Donnell and Marty literally just rolls his eyes and sighs.
@@EggEnjoyerWhy should Bungie have to adhere to the books made by authors and companies that microsoft contracted? Joe Staten and his crew are far better writers than any of the hacks that made content for Halo’s EU. I see nerds crying that they retconned the Battle of Reach into a full blown 3 month long war instead of a minor struggle, or how Spartans never had energy shielding until 2552?
These authors just had no idea what they were doing.
Stuff like this is why I just ignore all the halo lore. If it don’t pertain to the game’s story, it’s just fluff and nonsense to me.
I’m not opposed to outside lore existing. But it needs to be concise and written by 1 person or a small team of writers. A team of writers who either directly write or oversee all outside media. And keep it limited. Not an infinite number of books and comics. It needs to be meticulous and planned out.
I’m sorry but the halo lore needs a reboot like with Star Wars. We can rewrite and retell the good stuff and just leave out the nonsense (why tf kill off Rookie? Make him the new leader protagonist of ODST 2 you COWARDS!)
Eh I don’t think so, this is the only piece of halo lore I can think of that is really iffy. Outside of it, the expanded lore is pretty consistent. I know bungie wasn’t the biggest fan of it, but a lot of cool stuff came out from then until now, at least to me. Thanks for watching!
@@unclesamlore There’s a lot of stuff that don’t add up over time. Like how in halo 4 they describe master chief as an aging spartan and when they show his face, he looks old.
Then you read Bad Blood and New Blood and they tell you that Spartans stay young and don’t age. Just stuff like that ads up.
I’m not saying nothing cool comes from the lore. I think it just needs to be reset. Keep what’s cool, remove the nonsense.
@@EggEnjoyerThis is such an L take tbh
Halo is such a masterpiece, the games and paper backs are a dynasty not including the 343 takeover until now
Halo is amazing and I love it so much. Before I discovered 40K halo was my favorite sci fi universe. Thanks for watching!
I'm glad we're still collectively angry at 343 even all these years later
@@thehypest6118It's hard to stop being angry when they keep fucking up lol
Yeah man i remember reading about them and how they get disrespected by the Diedact and me staring in disbelief of it like i get it he had the Chief on the ropes but that was one spartan and he had gone through hell before beating on him, but 4? And skilled as Black team was like bruh the SIII headhunters did better then these guys i was like how? And i remember too the reason they had to die was because the Diedact was Pissed at the master chief and said oh your like him so let me just 💀 💀 💀 💀 like really? They could have been used better then ODST guard duty
It was a weird cop out, and it’s not even that they died fighting the didact. It’s that they died off screen, it’s such a shame. Thanks for watching!
Oooooohhhhhhh that makes sense. This was written by 343, therefore this didn’t actually happen.
I’m happy with what we have even if it’s a bit weird. Thanks for watching!
Only the deaths were written by 343. Everything else was already there
I'm sorry, but regardless of whether or not a Spartan had a mislabeled FoF tag pop up over one of their teammates, they are smart enough to be able to use their eyes to assess a threat before they rely on their technology to tell them who their enemies are. Whoever wrote this Black Team story wrote it as a hit piece for character assassination. Are we really supposed to believe ONI hand picked the shittiest Spartans as their personal Spartan team?
the disrespect man, I remember reading about them in halo: evolutions. marvel isn't cool for that.
also masterchief meets his biological sister in one of the evolutions books.
I loved them in halo evolutions, they were so good. Yeah I remember that story! I’ve read evolutions cover to cover so many times I’ve had to re buy it twice. Thanks for watching!
His sister? Do you mean the girl from the story in new Mombasa? I thought that was just a childhood friend from his home world. Idk maybe that’s from the second volume.
@@Woopor one of the two, either way there is a story in which a girl recognizes chief from his childhood.
@@iforgotmyname1885she doesn’t she just had a photo of them as kid and chief recognize her. But he ultimately doesn’t say anything
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px (fan service) I've got it mixed up then.