The Survivor Seasons That Take A Turn For The Dark
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- Survivor is usually fun, but there are times when a moment, or moments, can send a season on a downward trajectory it never recovers from. These are those seasons.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:58 - Survivor: Thailand
04:40 - Survivor: All-Stars
07:54 - Survivor: Fiji
11:15 - Survivor: South Pacific
16:05 - Dishonorable Mentions
16:45 - Survivor: Island of the Idols
Yes, this is a re-upload. The original video was manually copyrighted 4 months after being made public. I re-edited it so you all can watch it once more. Enjoy!
Edit: Q: Why wasn't Zeke and Varner included?
A: Because their moment was 1/3 of an episode and the issue was quickly handled and didn't tank the rest of the season. However, I included that moment in this villainous video - th-cam.com/video/W12uLl5b_YE/w-d-xo.html
I thought this video was new until I read your comment.
But I'm glad you solved the problem.
If anything, Varner just tanks what little respect anyone had for Varner instead of tanking the show 😂😂😂
Season 39 was a classic example of why women are afraid to speak up when they feel uncomfortable with men’s advances. Kelly is very mature and respectful with Dan and then the girls back her up but when faced by the rest of the tribe they recant and lie saying they never said anything like that and that they love when Dan touches them. Then to punish Kelly (because she’s the problem) they vote her off. This is exactly what happens in real life. You speak up and then you’re ostracized and branded as a “problem”. Then survivor does the bare minimum with Dan and gives him a slap on the wrist until he does it to production. NOW it’s a problem, yuck. Made me sick to my stomach. I stopped watching once Dan finally left. I just couldn’t with these people anymore.
When Aaron then turned around and said if it was true, he would have seen it. So it's clearly a lie, I lost all respect for each and everyone except Janet
I almost vomited when Kelly got voted out over Dan
Ted, Dan, and Hatch are all perfect examples on why women are afraid to speak up, how men protect other men when they know sa is happening, how women are vilified for saying anything, and how sa takes a huge toll on a person. I like to think we are better today then it was even just a few years ago, but we have such a long way go still
Dan was disgusting but like Kelly and missy had the chance to vote him off and didn’t and then gaslit Jan so like cmon take some responsibility as well
They didn't vote Kelly off because she was a "problem" as you sate. They voted her off because she was a threat. She had TWO idols. Just like James in China. She had to go.
What’s frustrating for me is that the women complained about it and nothing was done. They had a talk with everybody. They had a talk with him. Nothing was done. The women complained again. Nothing was done. Something was done when a staff member complained.. They should’ve listened to the womenfrom the very beginning.
I agree. They let it go on for way too long
the thing about richard and sue is that she was probably in a fear/trauma response when it happened (fight, flight or freeze) and she froze so from the outside it doesn’t look like she was bothered but the incident playing over and over and over again is a very clear sign of ptsd. like i’m not diagnosing but like that’s a big symptom that something traumatic happened, plus the fact she didn’t even think about it until later after it happened is also very like ptsd-like. i didn’t realize i was SA’d until YEARS after.. it’s a common occurrence.
I’m so sorry that it happened to you
Did that man call his child an “it” he said I whooooped “it’s ass” and “put it back in bed” what the actual F
And called a woman who had an emotional reaction to SA a child is just all kinds of wrong
They didn’t think a talent manager from Los Angeles who looks just like Wienstein would become a problem?
What was also upsetting about Dan on 39 was that the edit had Kellee feel like an empowering voice for speaking up, only for it to fall on her and a “consequence for speaking up” when we were led to believe that that cycle would be broken. And if I recall correctly, I believe it was the first hour of a 2-hour special episode that night. Kellee being voted out tanked it so hard. (The Karishma idol play was great that season though.)
I'm so tired of talking about Ghandia and Ted, but when Ted says he's "150 to 200% happy with the wife I have!"....I LAUGH EVERY SINGLE TIME. 🤣
😂 TRUTH!!!!!
literally same 😂😂😂 but he sucks but that line is hilarious
Thank you for talking about the Thailand assault. Nobody ever does. The assaulter should have been ejected from the game. I was infuriated the Ghandia received no help from teammates or production
i also hate that she’s seen as “crazy” and “unhinged” for having her little breakdown. She was so real for that though. like she was going through something traumatic and inappropriate, her reaction was completely understandable.
I had forgotten about this situation -- you're right -- it doesn't get talked about these days. I do believe Ghandia was absolutely justified in her breakdown after hearing that Ted was saying nothing happened. But just from what was shown in this clip (and I'll admit, I don't remember details) 1- it looks like she was snuggling up to him before the incident, which may have given him the impression that she was interested; and 2- after his apology, which she accepted, she went and told the other women. If she had kept her body to herself, the inappropriate touching might not have happened; if she had kept the incident to herself afterwards, at least until the end of the season, she could have kept it from blowing up in her face like it did. With all that said, I DO NOT mean to be victim-blaming, just pointing out that there were bad decisions made on both their parts.
And then there's Clay who, aside from his insensitive comments about Ghandia, referred to his own child TWICE as IT. Not him or her. It. Classy, Clay. You're a really stand-up kinda guy. /s
And then there's the way Clay talked about not liking her from the moment he saw her. I love them casting diverse players, but I don't need to see dudes like Clay.
The Dan fiasco in Island of the Idols is the worst. Not just because of what Dan did, but how Janet got so screwed from it all. Janet was such a badass and I wish we could see her return. 💜💜💜
She should be in Heroes tribe in HvV2! She would be a perfect fit.
She got screwed by the Idol Nullifier, and the only other really likable post-merger got screwed by the proto-Beware Advantage. The titular island wasted a huge amount of time and contributed nothing to the final result. Some people laugh at the Applebee’s shilling, but I just find it embarrassing. The winner was dull as dishwasher, Rudy died of Alzheimer’s, and Rob and Sandra spending time alone together didn’t lead to any pregaming for S40. Why do people insist on saying that the pervert ruined what could otherwise have been a good season?
People talk about how notoriously bad like he shall not be named ioi but no one ever talks about how horrible Ted is
People have forgotten about him and Thailand in general. It's a very old season. I guarantee lots of people on this channel probably haven't even watched the season or would've known who he was without this video
this was really not that big of a deal when it aired. it was a different time and generally people consumed it like any other drama on reality TV. you can tell by the other castaways reactions as well as the way it was edited.
@@junkerinhistrunkerAnd yet it's incredibly painful to watch. It's the only season I couldn't stomach on a rewatch.
Ted wasn't horrible. They had a talked, he apologized, was genuine and everyone moved on until others probed at him and used him as gameplay to pit the two against each other.
The sexism was alive and well in Thailand
Brian is a freaking enabler.
He was the true villain in that scenario. I truly believe Ted didn't mean any harm (although him saying he wasn’t attracted to Ghandia was definitely cap; Ghandia is a beautiful woman), but Brian INSISTING that nothing happened and then telling everyone "Well Ted said that nothing happened!" was the grossest part of that whole situation for me
What's his name❓ What was his birth 👶 name❓It wasn't Coach ⚽, it was Benjamin👨. And you know they're children 👦👧; 2⃣6⃣, 2⃣2⃣, they're over there listening 👂 to all of Benjamin's👨... 🎃Halloween Jokes🎃, uh, 🐭Chuckie The Cheese Jokes🐭, they- 👅 eu-h, they want it 🙏. He goin off of loyalty ⭐ got them fee- "😰Oh, Benjamin👨, you so loyalty😓" ... Come on now 😑... Everyday📆 he got a story 📚. I wasn't ❌ buying 💰 it. [scoff] 😤 [giggle] ☺... Eh😒... No. 🙅 So... They tr- like yesterday ↩ the tribal 🔥 was all kahoots 👌 Benjamin👨,"Let's give a hug 👪." ✋PFF.✋ Keep that hug. Boop!🔫 For me. Cuz it wasn't real❌
Thats fine. Ill rewatch the re-upload. Thanks youtube.
What’s scary to think about is how (specifically on IOI) is what we saw was the producers narrative…they chose that from all the footage they have. I can only imagine what they omitted.
Like all the stuff that makes the cast choose Dan over Kellie and why they are pissed at production? There's definitely more to the story for sure.
well they can’t have everything in the show. theyre on the island being filmed 24/7 for 39 days (or however long it is.. i didnt see IOI so i dont know how long it was) so it’s hard to fit everything in that needs to be.
there’s also probably some stuff they can’t show for like age rating and such. And depending on what even happened they may have had to ask the players if it was okay to show it (even tho before the show they have to agree to everything being filmed, not sure the exact details though about showing stuff especially if it caused mental distress to the players)
boggles my mind how so many in these comments either gloss over the multiple instances of sexual assault laid out in the vid or make excuses for it?? did we watch the same (excellent, btw) video?? sue was asking for it? and no recognition from anyone that ted was just a small-scale dan...what is going on
🤣🤣🤣 "Dan is a turd floating in the cereal" OMG Wesley, you make me laugh so much!
I feel like the Dan issue is why we don’t have a cast full of hard core gamers… most of the cast of season 39 was willing to keep Dan because it was good for their game, and they don’t want that kind of situation again
They could always do what they should have done there: make an executive decision to eject, and spare the players from being put in that position.
The bullying on One World make that season unbearable to watch
No bc Alicia and Colton duo = 🤮
Like that’s why Christina made it farther than both of yall
Yeah I mean I am not 100% with Jeff saying that “no more villains on survivor” but I will gladly take it over watching moments like this and no one stepping in and telling them to stfu, both were major bullies and Colton with his racism towards Bill like acting as if it wasn’t that is so sick to me, hope his thinking changed and isn’t racist like that now but what an idiot and disgrace and Alicia was funny at least to me with it but she was a bully too and totally delusional about her and her character
Alicia is despicable. The part where she compared Christina to how she handle her special ed students is disgusting. I would never have her around my kids.
It was only just bearable even without that.
Ngl, I enjoyed Alicia. lol Though Colton was trash.
On paper, it was interesting watching a gay fat kid find himself in the power position in a tribe of alpha men, but he was such a baby. I could never get past how he treated Bill
It's also worth mentioning that Genre Bear was just as awful and touchy as Dan Spilo, but it gets largely ignored as he was clowned on in the edit.
Genre Bear
Who? What season?
I remember Courtney talking about it in podcast and yeah I agree absolutely disgusting.
This is the first time it occurred to me that Dan is a talent manager… something tells me he’s pretty used to acting like this..
Thanks for re-uploading the video.
Dan the "Talent Manager" huh?
My wife and I have been watching through the seasons chronologically for the past six months or so. We just finished up Micronesia, and I have to completely agree with you about Fiji. That one, by far, was the hardest one to get into. I liked Thailand much better for some reason! Fiji is such a slog.
I can believe how long it took them to remove Dan. Wild.
You make good videos, thank you.
I don’t think dream getting shitted on was racially motivated lol
Imagine keeping in the truck deal but not the Brandon Hantz situation from Caramoan.
i think the dark part of the truck deal was how dreamz needed the truck and the money yet was attacked by the entire jury for a situation that weren’t involved even DESPITE yau man understanding where Dreamz was coming from
Another dark season for me was 41. I’m not some conservative uncle and I don’t want to be dismissive of racism. But some people like Shan and Liana tried to make everything about race. This didn’t make air but apparently Shan asked Xander at final tribal “do you underestimate women of colour”. It’s like Shan is using identity politics to slander her rivals
so dont hate on me. but...is what ted from thailand did not worse than what dan from island of idols did?
What do you mean by that?
@@karoovanderwesthuizen8321 I think what they mean is that Dan wasn't keeping his hands to himself, but as inappropriate goes, it was mainly the shoulder rubbing and foot touching. Weird and creepy. Ted was grinding against Ghandia in the night and nibbling her ear. Overtly sexual.
@@jamespatton8402 yeah that makes sense. I think what makes people more angry about the Dan situation is that it happened multiple times and for a decent amount of time, whereas in Thailand it was only Ghandia and it was only for one episode if I remember right
As far as Richard and Sue goes, the whole thing should have been easily prevented. They shouldn't be allowed to intentionally get naked during competitions. Survivor never aired a message either confirming or denying there was any wrongdoing. It is sad that years later that this was used to justify not having Richard on WaW.
The incident in Thailand was mishandled. Well, that's too much credit, because it was not handled at all. If you are going to be sleeping right next to someone, you do put yourself at risk of something inappropriate, intentionally or otherwise. Ghandia complained to the other women without mentioning he apologized, and Ted denied it to Brian. I can't say for certain whether Ted was in control or not. Really messed up situation. Ghandia, Ted, and the show all come out looking bad.
Dreamz agreeing to take the car and then not following through greatly pisses me off. Yau Man didn't seem to mind and let him keep the car. Yau Man really is great.
Coach ruined his fun reputation by going full cult leader, but I can't help but like him still.
As far as Dan, well, production should have stepped in Day 1, and those women should not have lied about it for gameplay reasons. It's a game show, and sexual harassment should be 100% not part of it. Just disgusting and it seems like it hurt the show moving forward.
Whatever the truth behind these disturbing stories is, consent is 100% a must, everyone should be safe from that, and making false claims only hurts real victims. I love this channel. Have a great day all, and say hi to your Springer watching Grandma for me.
Nice video
Does anyone know what specificly happend with the off camera moment after which Dan was kicked off ? Also watching this really made me realize how vile Coach is with his manipulation of Brandon, poor boy got abused and no one cared for him, hope he is in better place now.
I may not be 100% accurate, but I believe they were getting on a boat, he was struggling with his balance and touched the thigh of a production member.
@@listo393 yeah “struggling” what a douche, didn’t he get sued for it btw ? I have no idea what repercussions he had after it.
It hurt my heart to watch Brandon's first season. Every single one of the Hantz family gives such sociopath vibes. His dad scared the shit out of me when Brandon won the family visit, we all know how awful Russel is, and his other uncle (Willie) was kicked off Big Brother because he had a bad bad temper.
I don't thin its a far guess to assume abuse and intimidation is very normal in their family.
My gosh I was travelling when merge episode of Island of idols aired. I bought it on iTunes Store and was excited to watch a two hour episode. After watching it, I feel like I needed a shower
There’s an unpleasant postscript to the S5 issue. The treemail in All Stars that preceded the Survivor trivia-centered immunity challenge was a little poem that took one line apiece from each season and tried to make a fun little highlight reel out of it. One line was “Ghandia screamed ‘You’re way too close!’” and I believe Amber chuckled a bit after she read it out loud. (Like, the kind of insincere chuckle that the camera crew is clearly pushing for.)
That challenge saw Rob despondent and out to sea and apparently trying to throw it before deciding at the last minute to compete to the best of his ability. This in turn led to Mogo Mogo winning and Saboga going to tribal with Amber an obvious choice. And Rob making his infamous deal with Lex (who by the way followed up an answer to one of the trivia questions that included mention of a S7 contestant with “I remember Dara” and a wolf whistle). This set in motion the sequence of events that are to my mind what _really_ sucked all the fun out of the season.
Lex deserved everything he was delt. Didn't he do the sa,me to his friend Ethan a couple episodes earlier? Yes. Besides, Lex is simply a poor loser, not a graceful one. He threw a tantrum in his 1st season, and another here. He deserved his come-uppance here. Imho
Number 3 is like a relief compared to the first two.
Geez what the frick production you have repeatedly done nothing despite the comments of multiple women despite the video evidence of it and they did nothing.
@18:02 That actually wasn't the only disclaimer! There were 2 I remember in Australia! (One was Skupin's medevac the other one I don't remember what it was for) and 1 in All-Stars (Richard Hatch and Sue incident)
I still fully buy that if the FTC at Fiji would have been more civil that we would have seen at least one of Dreamz, Edgardo, Alex, Mookie or Cassandra play again.
4:00 he should quote that on his gravestone
I remember watching All Stars years ago and seeing how disturbed Sue was during/after the Richard incident. Watched the season years later and saw that CBS removed the episode with the incident entirely. I haven’t watched season 39 since it aired but I wish Kellie would’ve mentioned how blatant the sexism /misogyny has been for years. It’s pretty evident how long this has been going on. Shame on CBS for trying to sweep it under the rug as long as they did.
The Dreamz move is what makes me LOVE that season. It’s a game. There’s no love in Survivor
I really like South Pacific. The cult stuff doesn't bother me, and Sophie owning Coach at Final Tribl is a great moment.
The cult stuff bothers me as a Christian but more so how they manipulated Brandon. I think he truly suffers with mental illness!
I wanted to like South Pacific the first half was great..the 'Coach' half really is sad because it gives a bad look to those who are honestly trying to live as Christians.
CBS DID NOT ACT FAST ENOUGH !!!
Alicia was even worse than Colton was imo, because Alicia was a *special ed teacher*. Terrifying. Teachers really can be a child’s worst bully. Nothing Colton said gave me the ick as hard as Alicia’s “treat Christina the way I treat my students” line
WAIT, BRANDON IS ALSO 19??? THE SAME AGE AS SAMI!
Wasn't Fiji always dark?
I think the sun is out there for most of the day.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Yes, filled with clouds
I love the show but it is beyond disappointing and disgusting how women are treated when inappropriate behaviour by MEN are the problem. I truly hope no contestants will have to go through anything similar. It’s crazy that it still happened on season 39! So recent. I just want to watch mind games and challenges, no one should feel physically unsafe at camp.
Survivor All Stars was supposed to be a fun wholesome season for the fans. however since this was a second chance for a million dollars the season became very ruthless. the desparation to win in the second chance was there and became dark. as a result most of the great castaways from previous seasons were eliminated early. while people you could consider weren't all stars were in control of the game and ended up deciding who wins...
Whoever said it was supposed to be “wholesome”?
The car incident wasn’t so bad for me, tbh. Dreamz did what most humans would do.
What knocks Fiji for me was how racist the jury was. Alex literally SCREAMING at poor Cassandra and Lisi asking Dreamz if he knew how to damn count (when her ass couldn't lolz) were the ugliest moments of Survivor for me personally.
The Dreams situation wasn't racially motivated at all, dude was just a scumbag.
Dan ironically looks a lot like Harvey Weinstein
Survivor Fiji has a truly uncomfortable final 3. So many racist shit going on.
The only player more obnoxious than Coach is Phillip.
The Fiji final tribal attacks on Dreamz were definitely racially motivated. Lisi opened with "eeny meeny miny moe"!!
its not as big as some of the things in this video but when zeke was outed, as a trans person myself it just kinda ruined the season for me
I’m sure Clay is burning in hell atm
Nice...
What's his name❓ What was his birth 👶 name❓It wasn't Coach⚽️, it was Benjamin👨. And you know they're children 👦👧; 2️⃣6️⃣, 2️⃣2️⃣, they're over there listening 👂 to all of Benjamin’s👨... 🎃Halloween Jokes🎃, uh, 🐭Chuckie The Cheese Jokes🐭, they- 👅 eu-h, they want it 🙏. He goin off of loyalty ⭐️ got them fee- "😰Oh, Benjamin👨, you so loyalty😓" ... Come on now 😑... Everyday📆 he got a story 📚. I wasn't ❌ buying 💰 it. [scoff] 😤 [giggle] ☺️... Eh😒... No. 🙅 So... They tr- like yesterday ↩️ the tribal 🔥 was all kahoots 👌 Benjamin👨,"Let's give a hug 👪." ✋️PFF.✋️ Keep that hug. Boop!🔫 For me. Cuz it wasn't real❌
Stacey's not buying it aheheheh no
Where is Game Changers?
It's between seasons 33 and 35.
@@OnceUponAnIsland lol very funny
Yeah, the Zeke outing deserves at least a dishonourable mention.
Zeke, in my opinion, was one third of an episode and was quickly dealt with. I did include him in another villain video I made a couple months back.
@@jamespatton8402the zeke outing was the worst I ever felt for a contestant. It just seemed so unnecessary and mean that it left a super sour taste in the mouth
I'm black and I associate the sheer intensity of "dreamz's" behavior with his race. Could my opinion be called racist? Sure, by some.
Dreamz stay true to his word until when Yau-Man was going to vote him off so therefore he was right for taking the car but was going to be voted off that night !
Coach's treatment of Brandon was slimy and disgusting. It's like watching politicians use religion to win voters. Just gross.
Not including the *outing* by #JeffV of #Zeke *is the biggest flaw in this list.*
I understand you’re a Christian and it’s your channel.
*It is **_my opinion_** that you may have left it off the list because of your religious beliefs. **_Which is your right._*
It’s *still* my opinion that it’s *a bigger* moment/catastrophe/flaw than the dishonesty involving Yao Man.
I was confident at the beginning you’d include it ••• I respect *your choice* not to. *But I believe that choice was flawed.*
Zeke and Jeff were covered in a separate villain video. The moment they had was 1/3 of an episode and Varner was quickly dispatched. The season didn't go dark afterwards because of them.
As a member of the trans community, I disagree. What Varner did was disgusting for sure, but it doesn’t meet the criteria for this video. I don’t think the decision to exclude it from the video was religiously motivated. I wouldn’t have included it either if I were him.
Religion has nothing to do with it
He's covered it before. like thrice.
Sue hawk seem like she was looking for a pay day. It’s awfully coincidental that she got a whole makeover right after.
What rich did was dumb but Sue literally asked for it lmao rich is a big body you really expect to get around him without getting rubbed on? Plus she was clearly gonna go down the other path before being weird and choosing to try and go down the path with a nakey fella. I mean shoot, Rich probably thought Sue wanted it as well based on her weird indecisiveness. I was on her side at first admittedly but she no doubt saw the opportunity for a petty lawsuit.
Sue didn't ask Richard to be nak*d. Sue didn't ask Richard to rub himself against her. Sue DIDN'T consent to a SEXU*AL act. So do not come in here with that bullshit.
We may never know the actual truth so it’s best not to make assumptions based on situations like that. Especially when it seems like you have a personal issue with sues personality
@@jaykay1899 nah not really just looking at the situation from a observers stand point. Based on what we know of Rich he’s a jokester so he didn’t know better. What I’m not a fan of is deciding that you(Sue) wanna be a victim and get some easy cash. I’m just reiterating what her competition thought of the move. I get where you’re coming from but I don’t think a little discussion ever hurt no one
I’m sorry but if you “don’t know better” when it comes to rubbing your bare genitals against someone, that’s a MAJOR red flag. If he knew what he was doing, that’s absolutely terrible. If he actually didn’t know what he was doing, then who’s to say he hasn’t made other people uncomfortable or violated because he assumes it’s okay because he’s gay and it’s not serious to him. I don’t think he did it with malicious intent, but I also don’t think Sue faked her reaction. I think she didn’t know what to think at first and then processed it and was upset at both the fact that it happened and the fact that everyone treated it like a joke.
@@RuttGluttthat’s a grown ass man he knew better
Ghandia is literally in the wrong here
All this hate towards Dan is completely unjustified and disgusting. He did nothing wrong at all. There have been players on the show like Parvati, who've been way more flirty and sexually suggestive and no one minds. Dan here is not even being sexually suggestive in his touches, yet he's labeled as some kind of predator which is just not right. This is a perfect example how women can cry wolf and ruin a mans life just because they want attention. Thank god Kelly got voted off she's truly a horrible person.
You never saw Dan touching any of the men. All the women who were uncomfortable by it repeatedly told him to stop, but he didn't