@@davidmccourt6139holy fuck, acting in a film? Are you mad? I'm pretty sure the director just saw them all larking about in silly costumes for fun and just secretly started rolling. My god, if you were to believe every TH-cam comment these days you'd have to believe nothing in the history of cinema was ever committed to page.
This movie has many problematic biographical issues. Salieri wasn't that bad described in the movie, and it never existed this competition, either jealousy from Salieri to Mozart.
@@millennial8441 There actually was a rivalry beetween them but they were indeed not enemies. I watched the movie recently and I think Salieri would react by telling Mozart that's not really a march anymore but rather a funny aria one could insert in a opera buffa (it's the aria "Non più andrai, farfallone amoroso" from Le Nozze di Figaro).
I've been looking EVERYWHERE for this piece's sheet music!!! Thank you very much for uploading it! Though I'm a flute player, playing along with the piano backing is so much fun!❤🎶🎼
If there's one thing (of many of course) this brilliant masterpiece is right on is the whole competition between natural born talent vs that of hard work and dedication we musicians in the real world face
@natural talent can give a beginner a headstart in certain ways, e.g. maybe they have better hand-eye coordination than their peers and therefore learn to play an instrument more easily. but after they reach a basic level of aptitude, they're the same off as any one else who has reached that level. something like simply hand-eye coordination is a basic skill of humans, writing operas or shredding virtuosic passages isn't. it's no different than the greatest athletes being the ones who had the most rigorous and consistent practice regimes. the more relevant thing is that mozart was born into a family of musicians (like bach and many other such cases, even in the modern age), and had a father who did every thing he could to make mozart the GOAT. the kid was on a constant international tour from age 7 to 10 ffs, with his dad trying to find him gigs at all points along the way, and mozart composing all along the way, in different genres, meeting better musicians and learning from them, etc. that is not talent, that's work.
this is a really great way of showing development of a musical idea though. basic quarter note melody that creates a shape and sets the pitch directions, sort of like an outline. then developing that one rhythmic motif into more places in the melody. then adding embellishments and developing a more interesting left hand, etc. it's a good lesson in how you dont need to write a perfect melody/piece immediately -- you have to workshop and develop basic ideas. good to start with simple primitives to make sure the base function is there first
Everyone remembers F.Murray Abraham's win for Amadeus. But Tom Hulce did such a great job in his performance. It's one of the few times in cinema history that two actors were nominated for the same category (in this case ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE). It's happened maybe ten times in total over 100 years but don't quote me on that.
Hulce DEFINITELY should have won. Abraham's "win" was a joke. His shamelessly exaggerated MUGGING in tight closeup was an embarrassment to the acting profession. Apparently audiences are so dense they need to have it pushed right in their faces in great big letters: "SALIERI SUSPICIOUS!! SALIERI EMBARRASSED!! SALIERI UNCOMFORTABLE!! And the dumbass "Academy" voters think subtlety would be wasted on U.S. audiences. How insulting -- but it might be true.
@@laerwen: If you look at the LONG list of *stupid populist CRAP* that the "Academy" has awarded, all while they ignore timeless CLASSICS that will live forever, you should realize that the Oscars are a grotesque joke. "Citizen Kane" -- lost to "How Green Was My Valley". "High Noon" -- lost to "The Greatest Show on Earth". "A Streetcar Named Desire" -- lost to "An American in Paris". "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" -- lost to "Gigi". "Room At the Top" -- lost to "Ben-Hur". "The Rose Tattoo" -- lost to "Marty " "Taxi Driver" -- lost to "Rocky". "The Last Picture Show" -- lost to "The French Connection". "The Conversation" -- lost to "The Godfather Part II". "Raging Bull " -- lost to "Ordinary People". "Pulp Fiction" -- lost to "Forrest Gump". "Saving Private Ryan" -- lost to "Shakespeare In Love". "Brokeback Mountain" -- lost to "Crap+Trash=Crash". "Milk" -- lost to "Slumdog Millionaire". "Lincoln" -- lost to "Argo", which was 99% bullshit that never happened. "Call Me By Your Name" -- lost to "The Shape of Water" that celebrated having sex with an ANIMAL..... Enough already! I stopped watching their boring excuse for a women's fashion show years ago, when I could see that their voters don't know their asses from their elbows. An "Oscar" hasn't been an indicator of quality for a very long time.
@@stevecarson4162 I think Murray playing both the old and younger versions of his character is what ultimately gave him the edge over Hulce. Either of those guys deserved to win.
@@nycres : I was insulted by a performance that seemed to think the audience were idiots who wouldn't "get it" unless it was played with exaggerated eyerolling and mugging in tight close-up. I found it painful to watch.
Truth to tell, any musician with half an ear could have and can replicate the original simple little march from ear on one hearing. Although the way it's used in supposedly improvisational transition into Non piu andrai to imply Mozart's genius is dramatically very good and clever use of what you could call "de-composition". Most jobbing pianists can hear fairly straightforward music once and sit down and play it - we often have to do it as part of our work. This is much like a modern popular tune - basically a clear and simple melody over three chords in a predictable formal pattern.
The Am chord is a bit strange in this simple melody with C and G7 chords. I wasn't amazed that Mozart dropped the Am chord in his proposals. Instead he added the F chord further in the melody instead, which is nicer to listen to. In modern melodies the Am chord is more usual, I think, but no in the classical music in that era.
@@HANSMKAMP It's not that the Am chord is unusual but the context its in. It would more typicaly be used as a predominant chord, or in a deceptive cadence. Here it just goes from C to Am straight back to C again.
"Amadeus" is historical fiction, meaning parts of the plot are based on historical record and other parts are made up. In the movie he is made out to be a man-child, clown, or misfit. Actually, he moved in the highest social strata and had since he was a child. There is an account of Mozart and his wife taking a stroll in a public square and encountering the emperor, who was also out walking. It seems they had a pleasant conversation before going on their way. Nevertheless, Mozart did have an immature side. The scatalogical humor one finds in his letters was shared by the rest of his family, and surely they were not the only people who liked jokes that were vulgar if not obscene. My opinion is that the culture of Vienna at that time was fairly relaxed, or the oposite of uptight.
It’s funny after watching that in S697 (Fantasie über Themen aus Mozarts Figaro und Don Giovanni) Liszt does the same thing, but in typical Liszt fashion it’s about 100x harder. Makes me wonder if Mozart would have liked it. Apparently Chopin also rewrote some Bach transcriptions for Piano complete with his own dynamics
This movie is awesome. Both Salieri and Mozart were great artists but always there is envious and evil around. I hope we all enjoy the music and pray for both of musicians!
what mozart was doing it was sacrilegious during that time (as per Twoset term) :D look at how people are trying to eavesdrop the music they heard because it felt new and different it wasn't because it was just great, but it was just different from what they often hear during that era
Perhaps, this scene is a fantasy of the script writer of the film. If so, I wonder whether this march (used in the film) was invented by Salieri or Mozart originally, or both in collaboration, or, maybe, some other composer.
Exactly, I play piano, and I've played quite a bit of Mozart. All you need is a pretty sounding melody, add an Alberti bass, and voila, you have a Mozart-sounding piece.
Not always. Salieri tried sometimes to be an obstacle to Mozart but he could appreciate him too. At the première of The Magic Flute (which had no accident at all), he kept screaming "Bravo, bella!"
Hi I’m Tarun here I’m a composer and I love music posting content like these and analysis on TH-cam I love your content It will be great if we can collaborate
Entertaining but 100% Hollywood nonsense. Mozart and Salieri never met on this level, and this piece never existed until Hollywood made it. If anything Mozart knew of Salieri, attended some of his operas, and Salieri knew of Mozart and attended some of his operas - but the two never interacted directly. Amadeus is a disgrace and should not be considered accurate in any regard. But...entertaining.
Although this movie is clearly fiction, Mozart and Salieri did have a relationship, mostly professional, but the two definitely knew of each other. Also the music in the scene is based on a Mozart piece from the Marriage of Figaro: Non più andrai farfallone amoroso.
According to you, nothing fictional should ever exist then, because it's a disgrace if it's not factual. Wild take, I gotta say. It's literally a play, it is literally fiction. Try Google.
Salieri’s music is still played today. The “welcome march” wasn’t actually written by the real Salieri-the film producers had one of real Mozart’s pieces from “The Marriage of Figaro” arranged into a really simple march so that then film Mozart could improvise.
This movie doesn't replicate accurately 18th century music. That score is "empty" because the musician had to improvise, upon the "skeleton", with embellished notes, diminutions and so on.
The melody is really at a low level. But Mozarts ornaments don't make it really better. In my opinion he is overrated like nearly everyone, who is widely popular.
@MilkPlus could be. But beside of his Requiem I can't see why he was considered as a genius. Always the same accords and the same structure of melodies and endings. The classic epoch in general was a regression after composers like Bach, who were much more progressive than composers like Mozart or Haydn.
"The rest is just the same, isn't it?"
Saleri stopped smiling then
Yes, until September 2024 when one of his work is found for the first time ever.
개열받넼ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
better？
"That doesn't really work, does it? > x D
Salieri: Squidward's Clarinet
Mozart: Spongebob with a piece of paper
beethoven: mr krabs
Squidward is litteraly the first thing that came into my mind after watching the ending😂
1:44 laughs in tune
On the rest huh 😂
More like on beat
The "yes" is also in time : D
I love the shot of the religious men quietly seeking a listen to something extraordinary.
Mozart's last giggle was not scripted. At the end of the scene, watch the emperor's hands.
LOL hahahaha
Or it may be, bear with me here, that he was acting
Yes, I know !
I'm pretty sure it was still scripted.
@@davidmccourt6139holy fuck, acting in a film? Are you mad? I'm pretty sure the director just saw them all larking about in silly costumes for fun and just secretly started rolling.
My god, if you were to believe every TH-cam comment these days you'd have to believe nothing in the history of cinema was ever committed to page.
The emperor was actually a much better musician in real life than how he's portrayed in the movie.
This movie has many problematic biographical issues. Salieri wasn't that bad described in the movie, and it never existed this competition, either jealousy from Salieri to Mozart.
@@millennial8441Hollytrash can't make a historical movie without adding fake drama.
So was Salieri :-)
its a movie
@@millennial8441 There actually was a rivalry beetween them but they were indeed not enemies. I watched the movie recently and I think Salieri would react by telling Mozart that's not really a march anymore but rather a funny aria one could insert in a opera buffa (it's the aria "Non più andrai, farfallone amoroso" from Le Nozze di Figaro).
I've been looking EVERYWHERE for this piece's sheet music!!! Thank you very much for uploading it! Though I'm a flute player, playing along with the piano backing is so much fun!❤🎶🎼
If there's one thing (of many of course) this brilliant masterpiece is right on is the whole competition between natural born talent vs that of hard work and dedication we musicians in the real world face
mozart absolutely worked harder than other composers. he wrote about the same number of pieces as Salieri while living for less than half as long
Natural talent isn't a substitute for hard work. It just means that the hard work you put in yields better results.
@natural talent can give a beginner a headstart in certain ways, e.g. maybe they have better hand-eye coordination than their peers and therefore learn to play an instrument more easily. but after they reach a basic level of aptitude, they're the same off as any one else who has reached that level. something like simply hand-eye coordination is a basic skill of humans, writing operas or shredding virtuosic passages isn't. it's no different than the greatest athletes being the ones who had the most rigorous and consistent practice regimes.
the more relevant thing is that mozart was born into a family of musicians (like bach and many other such cases, even in the modern age), and had a father who did every thing he could to make mozart the GOAT. the kid was on a constant international tour from age 7 to 10 ffs, with his dad trying to find him gigs at all points along the way, and mozart composing all along the way, in different genres, meeting better musicians and learning from them, etc. that is not talent, that's work.
The attached musical score fully illustrates Mozart, a musical genius who always shines with amazing artistic brilliance.
Bravo/Brava! Funny how Mozart asks if the rest is just the same without ever hearing what comes after the first section.
this is a really great way of showing development of a musical idea though. basic quarter note melody that creates a shape and sets the pitch directions, sort of like an outline. then developing that one rhythmic motif into more places in the melody. then adding embellishments and developing a more interesting left hand, etc. it's a good lesson in how you dont need to write a perfect melody/piece immediately -- you have to workshop and develop basic ideas. good to start with simple primitives to make sure the base function is there first
(Natural) talent is nothing without hard work this masterpiece tells us.
Everyone remembers F.Murray Abraham's win for Amadeus. But Tom Hulce did such a great job in his performance. It's one of the few times in cinema history that two actors were nominated for the same category (in this case ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE). It's happened maybe ten times in total over 100 years but don't quote me on that.
Hulce DEFINITELY should have won. Abraham's "win" was a joke. His shamelessly exaggerated MUGGING in tight closeup was an embarrassment to the acting profession. Apparently audiences are so dense they need to have it pushed right in their faces in great big letters: "SALIERI SUSPICIOUS!! SALIERI EMBARRASSED!! SALIERI UNCOMFORTABLE!! And the dumbass "Academy" voters think subtlety would be wasted on U.S. audiences. How insulting -- but it might be true.
@@stevecarson4162 It wasn't a "win". He literally won. You might be projecting juuust a bit.
@@laerwen: If you look at the LONG list of *stupid populist CRAP* that the "Academy" has awarded, all while they ignore timeless CLASSICS that will live forever, you should realize that the Oscars are a grotesque joke.
"Citizen Kane" -- lost to "How Green Was My Valley".
"High Noon" -- lost to "The Greatest Show on Earth".
"A Streetcar Named Desire" -- lost to "An American in Paris".
"Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" -- lost to "Gigi".
"Room At the Top" -- lost to "Ben-Hur".
"The Rose Tattoo" -- lost to "Marty "
"Taxi Driver" -- lost to "Rocky".
"The Last Picture Show" -- lost to "The French Connection".
"The Conversation" -- lost to "The Godfather Part II".
"Raging Bull " -- lost to "Ordinary People".
"Pulp Fiction" -- lost to "Forrest Gump".
"Saving Private Ryan" -- lost to "Shakespeare In Love".
"Brokeback Mountain" -- lost to "Crap+Trash=Crash".
"Milk" -- lost to "Slumdog Millionaire".
"Lincoln" -- lost to "Argo", which was 99% bullshit that never happened.
"Call Me By Your Name" -- lost to "The Shape of Water" that celebrated having sex with an ANIMAL.....
Enough already! I stopped watching their boring excuse for a women's fashion show years ago, when I could see that their voters don't know their asses from their elbows. An "Oscar" hasn't been an indicator of quality for a very long time.
@@stevecarson4162 I think Murray playing both the old and younger versions of his character is what ultimately gave him the edge over Hulce. Either of those guys deserved to win.
@@nycres : I was insulted by a performance that seemed to think the audience were idiots who wouldn't "get it" unless it was played with exaggerated eyerolling and mugging in tight close-up. I found it painful to watch.
I see a great potential in this channel. Subscribed mate. Keep up the good work
Truth to tell, any musician with half an ear could have and can replicate the original simple little march from ear on one hearing. Although the way it's used in supposedly improvisational transition into Non piu andrai to imply Mozart's genius is dramatically very good and clever use of what you could call "de-composition".
Most jobbing pianists can hear fairly straightforward music once and sit down and play it - we often have to do it as part of our work. This is much like a modern popular tune - basically a clear and simple melody over three chords in a predictable formal pattern.
Have to agree with Wolfie Boi. That melody leap from C to E in bar 6 was pretty crappy, especially with that weak harmonic support.
The Am chord is a bit strange in this simple melody with C and G7 chords. I wasn't amazed that Mozart dropped the Am chord in his proposals. Instead he added the F chord further in the melody instead, which is nicer to listen to.
In modern melodies the Am chord is more usual, I think, but no in the classical music in that era.
@@HANSMKAMP It's not that the Am chord is unusual but the context its in. It would more typicaly be used as a predominant chord, or in a deceptive cadence. Here it just goes from C to Am straight back to C again.
"Amadeus" is historical fiction, meaning parts of the plot are based on historical record and other parts are made up. In the movie he is made out to be a man-child, clown, or misfit. Actually, he moved in the highest social strata and had since he was a child. There is an account of Mozart and his wife taking a stroll in a public square and encountering the emperor, who was also out walking. It seems they had a pleasant conversation before going on their way.
Nevertheless, Mozart did have an immature side. The scatalogical humor one finds in his letters was shared by the rest of his family, and surely they were not the only people who liked jokes that were vulgar if not obscene. My opinion is that the culture of Vienna at that time was fairly relaxed, or the oposite of uptight.
Wish more people would understand that it is.
@@vincent.0I think that most people understand this
_Grazie, Signore..._
"Grazia señore!!"😂😂😂😂
Grazie signore
@@areloTET y lo demás es repetición..
Happy birthday to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart! He would be 269 years old!
Honestly it's some good sight reading by The Emperor.
Buddy, you went from like 10 to almost 6k views on 1 video in less than a day the growth is insane
The laughs should be in the score!
This is creativity
皇帝と大臣(?)たち(の心の声)
「この生意気な若造が！……今に見てろよ。」
サリエリ
「コノヤロウ！おれが作った曲を勝手にアレンジしやがって、許せねえ！」
モーツァルト
「どんなもんだよ、サリエリだかなんだか知らねえが、オレに勝てるかっつーの！聞けよ、オレのアレンジ。……死んだ曲に命を吹き込んでやったぜ。……礼は要らねえよ。」
Thanks!!!
It’s funny after watching that in S697 (Fantasie über Themen aus Mozarts Figaro und Don Giovanni) Liszt does the same thing, but in typical Liszt fashion it’s about 100x harder. Makes me wonder if Mozart would have liked it. Apparently Chopin also rewrote some Bach transcriptions for Piano complete with his own dynamics
Nice! At 1:33 I hear three C octaves in the left hand (high, low, low), only the right hand plays the sixteenth notes.
I agree with what's written.
❤❤❤
Here after Mozart dropped his latest single.
Live Salieri reaction:
Of course he just goes into marriage of figaro lol
“Thank you Senoire” 😏
I read some of his letters and Mozart is more like in the film than you would think, it isn't that much of a caricature
Mozart hadn't a regular childhood. Thus he was a silly adult man.
And then this became an aria in the Nozze di Figaro
the "improvisation" that mozart does here is actually from his aria from the magic flute
GratZie signoore
This movie is awesome. Both Salieri and Mozart were great artists but always there is envious and evil around. I hope we all enjoy the music and pray for both of musicians!
When jazz was in a major key...
When the emperor is playing a song your compose at the piano and he like its !!!
Esse filme é a prova de QUE A INVEJA MATA MESMO.
what mozart was doing it was sacrilegious during that time (as per Twoset term) :D
look at how people are trying to eavesdrop the music they heard because it felt new and different
it wasn't because it was just great, but it was just different from what they often hear during that era
Perhaps, this scene is a fantasy of the script writer of the film.
If so, I wonder whether this march (used in the film) was invented by Salieri or Mozart originally, or both in collaboration, or, maybe, some other composer.
I'd say that the film's music editor Mark Adler would have composed Salieri's march by working backwards to square off Mozart's Non piu andrai.
It’s taken from figaro’s wedding
I truly believe Mozart and Carl Stalling would've hit it off together nicely. (Stalling orchestrated the Warner Bros cartoons).
If you play a lot of Mozart, it's actually not hard to improvise like this.
Exactly, I play piano, and I've played quite a bit of Mozart. All you need is a pretty sounding melody, add an Alberti bass, and voila, you have a Mozart-sounding piece.
The problem with this movie is portraying Mozart too flamboyant
Salieri passou a noite inteira compondo, e Mozart levou 1 minuto pra fazer o primeiro REMIX da história 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I didn’t fine either the Salieri piece or Mozart piece impressive at all!
He destroyed him!
F. Murray Abram who despises Amadeus, goes on to teaching history at a private school only to dislike another person - a black student...
Is this a reupload or am I going crazy
This is my own transcription, I made it easier to read since the other ones I found looked more complicated, lol
Yes and yes.
Atp Mozart was just playing with Salieri like a cat and mouse
Nice
Great movie, but Mozart's music needs no propaganda.
O áudio é de um piano, porém vejam que ele está tocando num cravo, cujo som é bem diferente...
It's probably an earlier version of the piano that just seems to look like a harpischord. The playing is indeed real.
하프시코드 아니에요.
저건 포르테 피아노.
Non piu andrai
El resto es una repetición xd
Everyone realizes that this story is fictional, right?
Esta película muestra la decadencia de Hollywood y sus directores Idiotas.
This movie shows the decadence of Hollywood and its idiotic directors
Mozartvis so talent that it often made salieri to jealous of him
No it didn't. This film is very inaccurate
@@solidsalt3412 oh
Not always. Salieri tried sometimes to be an obstacle to Mozart but he could appreciate him too. At the première of The Magic Flute (which had no accident at all), he kept screaming "Bravo, bella!"
最初の演奏もおそらく上手な人がわざと下手に弾いてると思われる
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Salieri gets too much shit smh
Entertaining but 100% Hollywood nonsense. Mozart and Salieri never met on this level, and this piece never existed until Hollywood made it. If anything Mozart knew of Salieri, attended some of his operas, and Salieri knew of Mozart and attended some of his operas - but the two never interacted directly. Amadeus is a disgrace and should not be considered accurate in any regard. But...entertaining.
Although this movie is clearly fiction, Mozart and Salieri did have a relationship, mostly professional, but the two definitely knew of each other. Also the music in the scene is based on a Mozart piece from the Marriage of Figaro: Non più andrai farfallone amoroso.
According to you, nothing fictional should ever exist then, because it's a disgrace if it's not factual. Wild take, I gotta say. It's literally a play, it is literally fiction. Try Google.
tbf. the original really is very boring and that's why we don't hear his music any more
Salieri’s music is still played today. The “welcome march” wasn’t actually written by the real Salieri-the film producers had one of real Mozart’s pieces from “The Marriage of Figaro” arranged into a really simple march so that then film Mozart could improvise.
@@thegoodgeneral of course it's Le Nozze. I'm an idiot. When was the last time you heard Salieri played live? I never have.
Haha
@@thegoodgeneral I somehow remember this music as well.
This movie doesn't replicate accurately 18th century music. That score is "empty" because the musician had to improvise, upon the "skeleton", with embellished notes, diminutions and so on.
The melody is really at a low level. But Mozarts ornaments don't make it really better. In my opinion he is overrated like nearly everyone, who is widely popular.
show us your composition
The melody was at a low level because it was implied that it was an instructive piece made specifically for the emperor.
@MilkPlus could be. But beside of his Requiem I can't see why he was considered as a genius. Always the same accords and the same structure of melodies and endings. The classic epoch in general was a regression after composers like Bach, who were much more progressive than composers like Mozart or Haydn.
This movie is such a crap
okay michael
Where's the rest of that other guy's wig? Oh I see Mozart took that as well