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I've had my Roleadro 300 watt for 3yrs now and no problems!!! Great light for the money $69.99 us. Thanks so much for the help and advice on lighting options
I watched this video and immediately went to amazon to find this for supplemental lighting in my grow and I was unable to find it. I guess you must have made them sell out!!! Thanks for the reviews as always. I’ve purchased 4 Mars Hydro ts1000 and have a Mammoth 10 bar on the way because of this channel lol
I picked this light up about a year ago so to see you review it is awesome. The light has done me great, much better then expected. I will say one of the fans died on it about a month in but the light doesn’t get very hot at all
I've gotv6 of these, they are excellent and cheap, ftr 6 in a 4x4 is plenty for piles of buds, you can also angle these with no issues, ive got 2 on their side literally forc2 weeks now and not overheating
Currently near the end of my first grow with a couple autoflowers with this light... super impressed with my results.. using it in a box just under 2x3'. 3 plants all producing tons of flower!!
@M Nope I veg'd with one of those. Got real tight internodal spacing. Seems decent. Probably not all cheap amazon lights using the same components so blanket statements about "amazon lights" don't mean much.
@@cho4d There's no doubt about thinking every light on Amazon will preform like this one. More probably suck then they kick ass. Trusting Amazon is like buying a "Vette" any paying for what you think is a fair price only to be surprised when they deliver a Chevette and not a Corvette!
Nice budget, small veg light, beginning to grow and want decent results, kind of light! And under $100! You can get top bin Samsung Boards, with the new Samsung LM301"H" diodes for about $1/watt from eBay from seller 413-led. GREAT DEALS! I've gotten a few 240W kits (I had to connect 3 wires to Wago connectors, lol, too easy!). At least in the US.. Great seller that I didn't mention previously, as I hadn't asked for his permission! I still ALWAYS use w/my adjustable COB's! Not anywhere near as nice as Shane's MIGRO, though. An Alibaba desperate grab, I purchased.. It's so nice to be able to direct light in a certain spot or direction! If growing different sized plants, it's a real difference maker! Someday I'll have some MIGRO'S!!!
hi Shane hope you guys are all staying safe down there in sunny Dublin ,, all the best and hopefully this will all be over soon,, great video cheers :)
Hey Mr. Migrow lights try removing the glass and do a retest. Iv done testing on my cob light with a lux meter and found an average of 15 to 20% increase just by removing the glass and it's awesome
I cant find it on Amazon can you put a link somewhere to get them? Have you ever tested a bloomspec 1000w. I got ome very cheap works okay but dont know much about it.
Looks pretty good for 2 plants in a 2x3 closet. I'm seriously considering the X3 330 watt Growcraft for a 2 x4 tent. I could do 2 more plants in a closet with this and 2 Exoterra UV lights added for 5 or 6 hours a day.
Great review shane and yes a great little light for the budget grower. I have got good results with lights not near as good as this, lights using the oldest epistar chips like the older models roleandro and meizhi so this light someone can definitely get really good results dence flowers abundant blooms. Nice to see the budget style lights improving the technology at a affordable cost. Its not no Migro or something of that callaber but a light someone can work with for sure.
Great video! I love that you always find a new good light to review. I was following a grower that had a few mars but then he did a review for that crap blurple with big lens reflectors and talked it up but didnt cover specs or anything, just that the diode lenses direct the light toward the plant... If im not mistaken dont leds project light fairly straight? Ive tested with cheep meters and even just a thin sheet of glass blocks a significant amount of energy from getting to the plants. That guys a duck. Your on the ball with all your videos thanks brother!!! Oh and the mars ts1000 flowers wonderfully at. 9 inches from my canopy. 92g plant was only 1ftx1ftx colas everywhere!!! Amazing little light. Thanks again!!!
Micro have you seen the other Aponuo model that's on Amazon, that resembles a Quantum Board? I believe its 150 tru watts and the PAR and that model if the specs are true are nice. Was hoping to know if you heard of it?
Shane, when you provided the graph outlining the optimal PAR range for growing you stated that 750 was the perfect amount of light, is that Meant to be the maximum that one point of the canopy should be receiving or the overall average. If the overall average is only 350 Isn’t that considered the minimum just to veg?
Des420 do you believe that it’s worth going over 750 in an attempt to make the buds denser ? I’m currently at about 650-750 average par 28 days into flower the buds seem to be swelling up great but lack good density.
In your honest opinion looking at good led lights I have a 4x4 grow tent I have two mars hydro sp150 and a philzon Cree cob light I had decent results with a run I did but think I might get better results with better lights I am looking at spider farmer 4000 also California led lights and electric sky what do you suggest for a 4x4 I hear the electric sky is over priced but I don’t know so any help would be good thanks great videos by the way
Love the videos! Curious about purchasing one your lights. It says the import duty is paid, but the VAT charges are not. Do you have an estimate to how much the VAT would be to ship to the United States?
I really appreciate your lighting reviews. I'd like to see some test for some common off the shelf bulbs. I rigged up everything from CFLs to flood LEDs with the shield lens removed. before I broke and got a blurple a while back(I know, not the best choice, but that was a couple years ago before the cheap full spectrums came out). Alot of ppl like me start with jerry rigging light before we buy something good. Of course when I was using cfl, LED was still somewhat rare or very expensive. Now for a few bucks you can get an 8 pack of 23-26 watt LED a-19 bulbs and cut off the plastic bulb, make a grid of light sockets mounted on a board or something, screw the bulbs in and wire them all in parallel. Also Another reason for rigging, is sometime you just wanna start some seed and you run out of room in you house, so you might start some of you seeds in a small area on a table, and just use a table lamp with a high power led flood bulb in it. At least thats what I do, I mean yeah I do have a room with good lights and a grow tent, but when thats full, anywhere I find space is what I gotta use. I actually just found out home depot sells Cree light bulbs now, I got a couple of their flood lights. I know they make some good LEDs.
Shane these companies should at least be giving you a discount link for your viewers so we can get a discount for the the light they send you and you can make a little something from each purchase.
depends a lot on what you run a quality modern digital ballast gives you a good 10-12% more light for the same wattage over an old magnetic, and double ended HPS is far more efficient than the oldschool single ones. ranges between about .95 all the way up to ~1.7 depending on those factors add to that reflector quality and angle, and quality of your reflection material, it's quite some factors. blowing a good amount of cold air straight under the light can allow you to get your plants about 5-10 cm closer, which helps a lot if you have a fairly small area. (especially for sog/scrog/lollipopping), inverse square law is a bitch. led panels are a bit less hassle as they're more directional so you don't need a reflector on the top, and they don't have a 400 degree lamp inside there so you can skimp a bit on the exhaust too, (which allows for the old fermenting beer in the corner trick in the growth stage with the fans off for some good old co2 injection) you don't need a ballast to give a big old 10kV peak to start the lamps either, which allows you to use cheap timers without the plastic fusing to the power socket :P the downside is, you'll really have to lollipop the bottom half before going into flowering (or again, optimally do Sog/scrog) because the light doesn't travel as far, such is the nature of lower-power sources. but lens angle on the modules and the fact you can get them a lot closer to the plants, makes up for it pretty well if you adapt the technique to it. personally, i run a DIY citizen clu048 1212 (3500k) setup with old blurples as supplemental side lighting in the flowering stage, cobs behave way more like HPS does in terms of light penetration compared to array panels, and i much prefer them as my main lighting ever since i started using them, using the panels as supplement for bulking up, the green on far stronger 30 watt sources really helps penetrating the first layer of canopy. tl;dr: lets's say 1.1 for old HPS, 1.6ish for double-ended
@@klontjespap how are you making out with the citizen clu 1212 i am in process of making a diy citizen 1212 for some extra light i plan on putting 4 clus on a quantum board 288 heatsink. Driven at about 35 watts each.
I really dont get one thing,. I think that majority of growers has squared shape growing space, tents and etc, wtf are all led manufactures making rectangle shaped lights?
I have 6 of these, cost $600 for a total actual wattage of 1200, thats the price of a single mid range grow light. These produce great crop and can be angle mounted, they will heat a room up for sure but are not hot to touch. Amzing lights for the price, mine are over ayear old and still growing strong
If you get the chance test out the biggest carambola led grow light on amazon yt-zewa300nzcb. It has 576 led diodes and draws 320w. i am interested to see how it stacks up its also a budget led grow light.
Thanks for the info again. I need help with a COB LED Light that's a strobe light on video.! The maker say it normal use, but i never see strobe light in the testing and review. Also does it hurt plants.? Anyone a idee Thanks
If there really 600i don’t know but they seem like there alright to me I haven’t tested nothin yet, they look the exact same and for like 60 bucks tho, I’m pretty positive they are all the exact same quality tho just with a different name lol
its a china led so they false advertise using the max watts (at which the leds short circuit ) as the normal usage watts. the 1000w china led i got for $70 back in the day only really used 135w. 1000/135~7.5. so they only lie about 8 times usually. its no mistake either since it continues to this day. so i'm guessing this light is really 200w/7.5~27w. its draw is easily measured with a wall watt/volt/amp meter. 27w for $90 is hella expensive. also china leds run up to 6 times hotter than samsungs meaning they are 6 times less efficient at converting watts to light and put out 6 times more heat. no wonder theyre 'cheap' as theyre 3 times as expensive as the best samsungs for same $/par.
cree lights have a pretty poor watt/dollar imho, i find them to be pretty steep on pricing, i'd say citizen and luminus are better bang for buck generally for the cobs that is... i'm not all that well-versed in the cree power led modules. that said, the combination of cobs and power led modules is a pretty tight setup, they certainly look the part.
Alright...if anyone watching this video believes this is a good lamp and trusts this guy, you're in a for a rude awakening. I don't even know where to start. 1.45 is a garbage efficiency and your standard cheap blurple at 200 watts will be around 1.7-2.1 efficiency. This guy loves that it's 200 Watts for 90 bucks, but those watts aren't optimized in any way. "Better then an HPS/MH". Yah... it better be, it's an LED for christ sake. Any efficiency lower then 1.7 w/ an LED or Quantum (Even COB) is trash. These PAR readings mean NOTHING here. He's taking his reads at 12", totally fair.... but when the manufacturer is brazingly advertising this as a 3x3 to 4x4 core spread, this PAR factor means nothing. At 12" from canopy, what core spread are you going to have? 2x2, max. If at an appropriate hanging distance from canopy to lamp (24 inches) you can achieve the 3x3 footprint but your PAR rating dumps from 900 to 450-500.... Manufacturer also uses false equivalents. "1000w" is right in the title of the lamp. Equivalent to what, exactly? Didn't mention that in the video did ya? I could go on and on w/ how terrible of an option this is. I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole, seriously. So what, it's got 3500k and it's white light? Wooptie Do. Go on Amazon's page with this light and you can pick apart their claims for yourself. They can't go a paragraph without contradicting themselves or their specs. Buyer beware of LED manufacturers and BUYER BEWARE of youtuber's or "reviewers" like this. He didn't source this light, it's paid advertisement, plain and simple. He was contacted and given the light with the agreement that he would review it positively. The video itself is even a shit show. "Ummm, ahhh, I think...pretty good?". No dude, even for beginners this light is trash and to tell people to buy it is a massive disservice to your followers and new growers. Find TH-camr's that review lamps honestly all of the time, not just some of the time. Follow people that find the lamps THEY like and then CHOOSE to review them. Not people that get free hand outs and review the free swag as high quality. I'm going to get a lot of push back on this if anyone actually reads it, but I suggest you all go out and do your own research on efficiencies, ratings, spectrum's and quality parts. After you do, you will clearly see past all this trash and be able to make an informed decision without this dude telling you "go for it". Don't. It's Trash. It will not function as advertised. You won't get your money back.... Cheers and good luck sifting through the trash, folks.
there not real 600 watts . most 600 watts are really 100 watts labelled as 600 on amazon. and they have horrible efficiency. so they put out barely any light for that 100 watts. this light is so impressive because it puts out a ton of usable light for its 200 watts. for a real 600 watt light, it is usually about 700-900 dollars. usually 1 dollar a watt or more.
Mr newbie grower I second that, many years ago when I first started growing I purchased what I though was an awesome led, 2000watts and could cover 6x6 in flower so they said, after learning more and reading the small print on the inside of the case it was a total draw of 390 watts spread out over 200 10watt diodes with a huge +- range of accuracy , not to mention shot the light directly down losing 100 % after a going less 1.5 foot out of the centre. So these 2 600 watts for less than $90 are probably paper weights at best.
So, can any one explain why "grow lites" are so pricey ?I can buy 80 watt ,full spectrum garage led lites ,deformable for 20 bux, get two ,that's 160 full spec watts , 40 bux make ur own , don't give these companies your money, I will document all these facts on a vid soon ,I've tried to get many companies to send lites for me to compare , no bueno , So its time to start showing folks how to really grow on a small budget. wait for it.........
The newest White led lights are almost ALL switching to Samsung chips and MeanWell drivers....for the SAME PRICE OR LOWER....as prices continue to decline. The difference now is that the 'high-end' brands will be exposed if there is any gouging or huge mark-ups. I've been waiting for this day...and the prices will continue to fall because there will no longer be any fear-mongering over the quality of the so-called 'budget' lights! Personally I think that western retailers should hang their heads from the massive mark-ups they've been getting over the years with the so-called 'high-end' brand LED lights. When the budget lights have the same components, the high-end people will find some excuse...or needless add-on to justify huge mark-ups over the direct-from-the-producer Chinese 'budget' lights. Soon that distinction will have to DIE (ie., budget vs high-end)! Can anyone say CUT OUT THE MIDDLE-MAN?.....LOL!
Hell ya now check out grossyland 2000 watt 109 Amazon osram diaodes draws 247 watt. How high do you hang light when you measure for ppfd and effeciency? And how many points are you to measure in your 4x4 square? Is there some industry standard for points measured? I've heard a few different things and I'm planning on assembling a test bench of my own but I'd like to not hear millions of opinions on what I should be doing. I was going to run flat white walls instead of mylar with a white bottom and an open top having 18 and 24 inch sides to measure both heights. Any advice before I attempt? And bro Shane seriously check into sansis newest strip light fricking sweet. I ordered two a month ago and 4 more the other day. That new coc chip on ceramic is mind blowing how it creates only 3 or 4 degrees over ambient temperature. Plan to assemble a 2 bar version then 4 then 6 for measurements. These lights are the most advanced technology I've seen to date.
i was pretty convinced Shane held a standard of measuring 64 points. but the grid on this sheet says 6x6 though, so in this case its 36. so maybe i remembered it wrong :D the height standard kind usually is whatever the manufacturer advises, which is a bit complicated as in flowering you're going to want them closer. therefor any manufacturer worth its salt has a seperate height for veg and flowering, either that or a smaller area for flowering (for instance: 3x3 veg | 2x2 flowering)
@@klontjespap bro this is exactly what I'm saying pay enough attention you'll see lots more about the dude Shane I'm not saying shit but if you couggt that keep looking
@@christopherparis6841 lol what are you talking about. the bigger the area the more squares in the area . he sets the measurements by the recommended settings of the light manufacturer. his sensor is a certain size and he goes from side to side until he reaches the bottom. that grid behind him is 16 squares. each square is one foot by one foot ,and the sensor goes in each square 4 times , in all four corners of it. so that is 64 spots the sensor stops. .so 3x3 is 36 sensor readings , 2x2 is 16 sensor readings.since this light is meant for 3x3 he took 36 readings. that is the industry standard. you do know his company makes lights? what would be the benefit of saying a light is good when it would just hurt his sales. and he doesnt get paid. by law if you have a sponsor or get paid you have to disclose it. if he didnt he would lose his channel. even if he did. anyone with a sensor could just test the same light and ruin his career if he lied. he is extremely well respected in the light community.
Does it bother you as much as me that these "reviewer's" are doing such a disservice by recommending this garbage? This is a trash lamp and I can't believe so many people take info and Amazon listings at face value... Whoever buys this lamp because of this dude is going to be very, very disappointed.
4 of these fit into a 4x4 with space, cost under $400 and easily produce a lb from 4 plants.. agreed there are better lights, but not sure there are better cheap lights
Can you review these little ACEPLE 80w LED waterproof panel led? I got 2 for $48 a piece and they are great space bucket lights. Using one in a galvanized 50 gal garbage can, using one for my males atm. And for the price it’s outstanding. Not buying the 2.5uMOL efficiency label and the driver is not mean well but for IP65 grade 1.5’ by 1.5’ these are bestly little toster size lights www.exit15.com/aceple-full-spectrum-sunlike-white-led-grow-light-600w-equal-wate
i'm not too sure i have a blurple 155w (72*3w epistars driven fairly soft) no-brand panel all the way from 2013, maybe early 2014, bought off some wholesale importer for like a bit over 150 bucks. ofcourse the efficiency is shite for today's standards, but i've done at least 10 runs on it solo, and still use them as side lighting for bulking up in the flowering stage on the cobbled-together citizen clu048 1212 cob setup i have now. it has yet to fail, which really impresses me. ofcourse i kept the (pretty loud) dual fan setup clean over the years, and lubed up the fans once in between, as these old chips are way more prone to die from overheating than the average power led today (still nowhere near cobs, but better), going over 40 degrees is already seriously detrimental to them, if the fans fail, it dies within minutes, maintenance is key. still gives decent results if you get up real close. it may degrade in efficiency quick because the power supply is gash, but for 90 bucks i'm willing to look the other way also: in the interview with Dr. Bruce Bugbee Shane did a while ago, it was said the reliability of led panels has improved significantly since 2013. but i would prefer a bit of a better cooling solution for good measure, besides longevity, it helps short-term efficiency too.
how can you be a sellout when his entire channel is based on testing and reviewing other people's lights? if its a good light he recommends it, if its a bad light he says stay away.
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thanks for doing us a solid again Shane :D
I've had my Roleadro 300 watt for 3yrs now and no problems!!! Great light for the money $69.99 us. Thanks so much for the help and advice on lighting options
I watched this video and immediately went to amazon to find this for supplemental lighting in my grow and I was unable to find it. I guess you must have made them sell out!!! Thanks for the reviews as always. I’ve purchased 4 Mars Hydro ts1000 and have a Mammoth 10 bar on the way because of this channel lol
no sign of it on amazon uk... :(
I'm so glad you read your handwriting for us! "1.45" looked like "l.s.t" for a sec LOL
I picked this light up about a year ago so to see you review it is awesome. The light has done me great, much better then expected. I will say one of the fans died on it about a month in but the light doesn’t get very hot at all
You could easily change that fan for pennies. Light output lowers at higher chip temperatures.
I've gotv6 of these, they are excellent and cheap, ftr 6 in a 4x4 is plenty for piles of buds, you can also angle these with no issues, ive got 2 on their side literally forc2 weeks now and not overheating
Thanks for all the work you put into this can’t wait to see you test that new qb648 from hlg
Your light reviews are a cut above. Just the relevant info no muss and no fuss.
Currently near the end of my first grow with a couple autoflowers with this light... super impressed with my results.. using it in a box just under 2x3'. 3 plants all producing tons of flower!!
what was your final dry weight?
I bought the foldable updayday led from amazon for 110. Is 190 watt light, works very well!
I'd love to see you do a review on the x6 cob lights from Amazon
@M Nope I veg'd with one of those. Got real tight internodal spacing. Seems decent. Probably not all cheap amazon lights using the same components so blanket statements about "amazon lights" don't mean much.
@@cho4d
There's no doubt about thinking every light on Amazon will preform like this one. More probably suck then they kick ass. Trusting Amazon is like buying a "Vette" any paying for what you think is a fair price only to be surprised when they deliver a Chevette and not a Corvette!
Nice budget, small veg light, beginning to grow and want decent results, kind of light! And under $100!
You can get top bin Samsung Boards, with the new Samsung LM301"H" diodes for about $1/watt from eBay from seller 413-led. GREAT DEALS! I've gotten a few 240W kits (I had to connect 3 wires to Wago connectors, lol, too easy!). At least in the US.. Great seller that I didn't mention previously, as I hadn't asked for his permission!
I still ALWAYS use w/my adjustable COB's! Not anywhere near as nice as Shane's MIGRO, though. An Alibaba desperate grab, I purchased..
It's so nice to be able to direct light in a certain spot or direction! If growing different sized plants, it's a real difference maker! Someday I'll have some MIGRO'S!!!
hi Shane hope you guys are all staying safe down there in sunny Dublin ,, all the best and hopefully this will all be over soon,,
great video cheers :)
Hey Mr. Migrow lights try removing the glass and do a retest. Iv done testing on my cob light with a lux meter and found an average of 15 to 20% increase just by removing the glass and it's awesome
Hey there, what do you think of parfactworks led on Amazon?
Love the review videos! Would it be possible to do a video review on a Aglex Cob grow light, maybe a 2000w or 3000w
I cant find it on Amazon can you put a link somewhere to get them? Have you ever tested a bloomspec 1000w. I got ome very cheap works okay but dont know much about it.
Shane , *test* Horticulture Lighting Group HLG 650R
( I think that not only I want to see if it is better than ChilLED Growcraft X6)
Thank you for all the work you do for the gardening community! Can you please test a solarXtreme 250?
Or the Vipar Spectra VP2000 not much out there at all for this light. Thank you! Keep up the great content!!
Looks pretty good for 2 plants in a 2x3 closet. I'm seriously considering the X3 330 watt Growcraft for a 2 x4 tent. I could do 2 more plants in a closet with this and 2 Exoterra UV lights added for 5 or 6 hours a day.
Do a test of LUMATEK Attis 300W. That would be great!
Hi, they are sending their new model for testing soon. stay tuned..
Test the MarsHydro SP-150 in a 2x2 or 2.5x1.5 if you can get your hands on one thanks!
I got my wakeme 600watt for 70$ and it's the best light I've ever purchase
Purchase more lights then.
UK Amazon?
Lockdown hair cut looks good :)
nice little light for a one plant grow
Hi it seems that this light is not on Amazon is there a way to contact them for this light?
I bought 2. One crapped out. The other seems to be good. But they are not on amazon again.
Great review shane and yes a great little light for the budget grower. I have got good results with lights not near as good as this, lights using the oldest epistar chips like the older models roleandro and meizhi so this light someone can definitely get really good results dence flowers abundant blooms. Nice to see the budget style lights improving the technology at a affordable cost. Its not no Migro or something of that callaber but a light someone can work with for sure.
What is the coolest running 100-150 watt full spectrum LED light?
Great video! I love that you always find a new good light to review. I was following a grower that had a few mars but then he did a review for that crap blurple with big lens reflectors and talked it up but didnt cover specs or anything, just that the diode lenses direct the light toward the plant... If im not mistaken dont leds project light fairly straight? Ive tested with cheep meters and even just a thin sheet of glass blocks a significant amount of energy from getting to the plants. That guys a duck. Your on the ball with all your videos thanks brother!!! Oh and the mars ts1000 flowers wonderfully at. 9 inches from my canopy. 92g plant was only 1ftx1ftx colas everywhere!!! Amazing little light. Thanks again!!!
Do you think I should buy ts 600 mars hydro or this one be honest with me I'm broke
Hi Shane, what can you recommend for growing lettuce? The size of 9ftx80ft aquaponics system? Ty
Micro have you seen the other Aponuo model that's on Amazon, that resembles a Quantum Board? I believe its 150 tru watts and the PAR and that model if the specs are true are nice. Was hoping to know if you heard of it?
Shane, when you provided the graph outlining the optimal PAR range for growing you stated that 750 was the perfect amount of light, is that Meant to be the maximum that one point of the canopy should be receiving or the overall average. If the overall average is only 350 Isn’t that considered the minimum just to veg?
750 PAR minimum for proper flowering.
Des420 do you believe that it’s worth going over 750 in an attempt to make the buds denser ? I’m currently at about 650-750 average par 28 days into flower the buds seem to be swelling up great but lack good density.
I have a sf2000 running in my 3x3 tent and I'm looking to supplement it with another light. Think this is a good option?
Said fuck it and ordered it! Hoping it helps push my yield! The sf2000 is good but dont think will cut it through flower in a 3x3.
cool thanks for sharing. Have you ever tested any SPIDER FARMER lights?
In your honest opinion looking at good led lights I have a 4x4 grow tent I have two mars hydro sp150 and a philzon Cree cob light I had decent results with a run I did but think I might get better results with better lights I am looking at spider farmer 4000 also California led lights and electric sky what do you suggest for a 4x4 I hear the electric sky is over priced but I don’t know so any help would be good thanks great videos by the way
Love the videos! Curious about purchasing one your lights. It says the import duty is paid, but the VAT charges are not. Do you have an estimate to how much the VAT would be to ship to the United States?
What is the color temperature ?
Think grow vs chilLed which bar light won.
No light on Amazon USA can't find it
Testing Giixer 1000w (The sun version) anytime soon?
I really appreciate your lighting reviews. I'd like to see some test for some common off the shelf bulbs. I rigged up everything from CFLs to flood LEDs with the shield lens removed. before I broke and got a blurple a while back(I know, not the best choice, but that was a couple years ago before the cheap full spectrums came out). Alot of ppl like me start with jerry rigging light before we buy something good. Of course when I was using cfl, LED was still somewhat rare or very expensive. Now for a few bucks you can get an 8 pack of 23-26 watt LED a-19 bulbs and cut off the plastic bulb, make a grid of light sockets mounted on a board or something, screw the bulbs in and wire them all in parallel. Also Another reason for rigging, is sometime you just wanna start some seed and you run out of room in you house, so you might start some of you seeds in a small area on a table, and just use a table lamp with a high power led flood bulb in it. At least thats what I do, I mean yeah I do have a room with good lights and a grow tent, but when thats full, anywhere I find space is what I gotta use. I actually just found out home depot sells Cree light bulbs now, I got a couple of their flood lights. I know they make some good LEDs.
Would you use this over the Mars Hydro TS 1000? Looking for a new light for my 3x3
BYRON FRYBERG ts1000 is better but if you wanna save money, there ya go.
I would love to know the answer also
1.79ppfd/w in a 3x3 marshydro
Great review.
I can’t find the light, did you leave a link??
Shane these companies should at least be giving you a discount link for your viewers so we can get a discount for the the light they send you and you can make a little something from each purchase.
Wondering if you know off hand what the effeciency of a 600w hps is, so i can use it for comparison when buying replacement LEDs.
He has another video on them. If I remember it's 1.13
depends a lot on what you run
a quality modern digital ballast gives you a good 10-12% more light for the same wattage over an old magnetic,
and double ended HPS is far more efficient than the oldschool single ones.
ranges between about .95 all the way up to ~1.7 depending on those factors
add to that reflector quality and angle, and quality of your reflection material, it's quite some factors.
blowing a good amount of cold air straight under the light can allow you to get your plants about 5-10 cm closer, which helps a lot if you have a fairly small area. (especially for sog/scrog/lollipopping), inverse square law is a bitch.
led panels are a bit less hassle as they're more directional so you don't need a reflector on the top,
and they don't have a 400 degree lamp inside there so you can skimp a bit on the exhaust too,
(which allows for the old fermenting beer in the corner trick in the growth stage with the fans off for some good old co2 injection)
you don't need a ballast to give a big old 10kV peak to start the lamps either, which allows you to use cheap timers without the plastic fusing to the power socket :P
the downside is, you'll really have to lollipop the bottom half before going into flowering (or again, optimally do Sog/scrog) because the light doesn't travel as far, such is the nature of lower-power sources.
but lens angle on the modules and the fact you can get them a lot closer to the plants, makes up for it pretty well if you adapt the technique to it.
personally, i run a DIY citizen clu048 1212 (3500k) setup with old blurples as supplemental side lighting in the flowering stage,
cobs behave way more like HPS does in terms of light penetration compared to array panels, and i much prefer them as my main lighting ever since i started using them, using the panels as supplement for bulking up, the green on far stronger 30 watt sources really helps penetrating the first layer of canopy.
tl;dr:
lets's say 1.1 for old HPS, 1.6ish for double-ended
@@klontjespap how are you making out with the citizen clu 1212 i am in process of making a diy citizen 1212 for some extra light i plan on putting 4 clus on a quantum board 288 heatsink. Driven at about 35 watts each.
@@klontjespap nice answer. glad to here someone who knows there stuff
@@simpson4237 i saw that now. It was actually 1.3 for digital ballasts with the xxl hoods
Can't find this on UK or USA Amazon
I really dont get one thing,. I think that majority of growers has squared shape growing space, tents and etc, wtf are all led manufactures making rectangle shaped lights?
Thanks alot for this review :)
would you stick to a 600w M/H or would you switch to few of these units ?
I have 6 of these, cost $600 for a total actual wattage of 1200, thats the price of a single mid range grow light. These produce great crop and can be angle mounted, they will heat a room up for sure but are not hot to touch. Amzing lights for the price, mine are over ayear old and still growing strong
If you get the chance test out the biggest carambola led grow light on amazon yt-zewa300nzcb. It has 576 led diodes and draws 320w. i am interested to see how it stacks up its also a budget led grow light.
Somebody know where i can buy it in EU ?
Whats the best value light to grow Mary Jane, Shane? And you look like you should be in oasis 😎👍🏻
Thanks for the info again. I need help with a COB LED Light that's a strobe light on video.! The maker say it normal use, but i never see strobe light in the testing and review. Also does it hurt plants.? Anyone a idee Thanks
Love your videos and do you know where I can get a meter for the power from the wall and the other one that is used for getting the PPFD output?
electricity meter can be had on amazon. the quantum sensor is from apogee instruments.
I cant find this on Amazon anywhere. I would buy 3 right now but its not there. Can you put a link to the light.
www.amazon.ca/Spectrum-Sunlight-Hydroponic-Thermometer-Hygrometer/dp/B07RPVPN2H/ref=sr_1_1?crid=JPT70YAGCSJL&keywords=aponuo+grow+lights&qid=1587179630&sprefix=aponu%2Caps%2C170&sr=8-1
Sir can you refer some lights for nature aquariums
Rapidled.com has some aquarium lights. Not sure if they will have what you are looking for.
I think they pulled it for some reason. It is not on amazon
If there really 600i don’t know but they seem like there alright to me I haven’t tested nothin yet, they look the exact same and for like 60 bucks tho, I’m pretty positive they are all the exact same quality tho just with a different name lol
Do a review of Hortilux LED 700-ES
they already have the numbers on there site. it gets 1.9 umols. its like 1500 dollars. that is pretty pricey for 700 watts at 1.9 in my opinion
I think they may be phasing this light out, they have a 2020 version that looks more like the Marshydro ts1000 style.
This or Mars Hydro TS600?
this one is probably better because of the price. and i think the ts 600 is only 100 watts . so you get double the watts for less.
HLG 650r plzzzzzzzzzz. Love the content bro
TSW3000 plz
Hi mate I could really do with some help I’m a newbie to growing your videos are amazing
Cheers
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its a china led so they false advertise using the max watts (at which the leds short circuit ) as the normal usage watts.
the 1000w china led i got for $70 back in the day only really used 135w. 1000/135~7.5. so they only lie about 8 times usually. its no mistake either since it continues to this day.
so i'm guessing this light is really 200w/7.5~27w. its draw is easily measured with a wall watt/volt/amp meter. 27w for $90 is hella expensive.
also china leds run up to 6 times hotter than samsungs meaning they are 6 times less efficient at converting watts to light and put out 6 times more heat. no wonder theyre 'cheap' as theyre 3 times as expensive as the best samsungs for same $/par.
I just ordered 2 phlizon 2000w Cree x4 (@400w) They seem really good but what do you think?
cree lights have a pretty poor watt/dollar imho, i find them to be pretty steep on pricing, i'd say citizen and luminus are better bang for buck generally
for the cobs that is... i'm not all that well-versed in the cree power led modules.
that said, the combination of cobs and power led modules is a pretty tight setup, they certainly look the part.
Get some LM301H QB288's from Kingbrite instead. I've used an apogee par meter to test them and they are the same as HLG's.
if you check his videos he probably does a review on them. there a pretty common brand
Alright...if anyone watching this video believes this is a good lamp and trusts this guy, you're in a for a rude awakening. I don't even know where to start. 1.45 is a garbage efficiency and your standard cheap blurple at 200 watts will be around 1.7-2.1 efficiency. This guy loves that it's 200 Watts for 90 bucks, but those watts aren't optimized in any way. "Better then an HPS/MH". Yah... it better be, it's an LED for christ sake. Any efficiency lower then 1.7 w/ an LED or Quantum (Even COB) is trash. These PAR readings mean NOTHING here. He's taking his reads at 12", totally fair.... but when the manufacturer is brazingly advertising this as a 3x3 to 4x4 core spread, this PAR factor means nothing. At 12" from canopy, what core spread are you going to have? 2x2, max. If at an appropriate hanging distance from canopy to lamp (24 inches) you can achieve the 3x3 footprint but your PAR rating dumps from 900 to 450-500.... Manufacturer also uses false equivalents. "1000w" is right in the title of the lamp. Equivalent to what, exactly? Didn't mention that in the video did ya?
I could go on and on w/ how terrible of an option this is. I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole, seriously. So what, it's got 3500k and it's white light? Wooptie Do. Go on Amazon's page with this light and you can pick apart their claims for yourself. They can't go a paragraph without contradicting themselves or their specs. Buyer beware of LED manufacturers and BUYER BEWARE of youtuber's or "reviewers" like this. He didn't source this light, it's paid advertisement, plain and simple. He was contacted and given the light with the agreement that he would review it positively. The video itself is even a shit show. "Ummm, ahhh, I think...pretty good?". No dude, even for beginners this light is trash and to tell people to buy it is a massive disservice to your followers and new growers.
Find TH-camr's that review lamps honestly all of the time, not just some of the time. Follow people that find the lamps THEY like and then CHOOSE to review them. Not people that get free hand outs and review the free swag as high quality. I'm going to get a lot of push back on this if anyone actually reads it, but I suggest you all go out and do your own research on efficiencies, ratings, spectrum's and quality parts. After you do, you will clearly see past all this trash and be able to make an informed decision without this dude telling you "go for it". Don't. It's Trash. It will not function as advertised. You won't get your money back....
Cheers and good luck sifting through the trash, folks.
There’s 600 watt lights on there cheaper than that , I just bought 2
there not real 600 watts . most 600 watts are really 100 watts labelled as 600 on amazon. and they have horrible efficiency. so they put out barely any light for that 100 watts. this light is so impressive because it puts out a ton of usable light for its 200 watts. for a real 600 watt light, it is usually about 700-900 dollars. usually 1 dollar a watt or more.
Mr newbie grower I second that, many years ago when I first started growing I purchased what I though was an awesome led, 2000watts and could cover 6x6 in flower so they said, after learning more and reading the small print on the inside of the case it was a total draw of 390 watts spread out over 200 10watt diodes with a huge +- range of accuracy , not to mention shot the light directly down losing 100 % after a going less 1.5 foot out of the centre. So these 2 600 watts for less than $90 are probably paper weights at best.
audio a bit low on this one my man. still apprieciate the vid tho :)
lol... You got a volume ajuster on your computer right? Or maybe get some hearing aids..volume is great.
So, can any one explain why "grow lites" are so pricey ?I can buy 80 watt ,full spectrum garage led lites ,deformable for 20 bux, get two ,that's 160 full spec watts , 40 bux make ur own , don't give these companies your money, I will document all these facts on a vid soon ,I've tried to get many companies to send lites for me to compare , no bueno , So its time to start showing folks how to really grow on a small budget. wait for it.........
The newest White led lights are almost ALL switching to Samsung chips and MeanWell drivers....for the SAME PRICE OR LOWER....as prices continue to decline. The difference now is that the 'high-end' brands will be exposed if there is any gouging or huge mark-ups. I've been waiting for this day...and the prices will continue to fall because there will no longer be any fear-mongering over the quality of the so-called 'budget' lights! Personally I think that western retailers should hang their heads from the massive mark-ups they've been getting over the years with the so-called 'high-end' brand LED lights. When the budget lights have the same components, the high-end people will find some excuse...or needless add-on to justify huge mark-ups over the direct-from-the-producer Chinese 'budget' lights. Soon that distinction will have to DIE (ie., budget vs high-end)! Can anyone say CUT OUT THE MIDDLE-MAN?.....LOL!
Hell ya now check out grossyland 2000 watt 109 Amazon osram diaodes draws 247 watt. How high do you hang light when you measure for ppfd and effeciency? And how many points are you to measure in your 4x4 square? Is there some industry standard for points measured? I've heard a few different things and I'm planning on assembling a test bench of my own but I'd like to not hear millions of opinions on what I should be doing. I was going to run flat white walls instead of mylar with a white bottom and an open top having 18 and 24 inch sides to measure both heights. Any advice before I attempt? And bro Shane seriously check into sansis newest strip light fricking sweet. I ordered two a month ago and 4 more the other day. That new coc chip on ceramic is mind blowing how it creates only 3 or 4 degrees over ambient temperature. Plan to assemble a 2 bar version then 4 then 6 for measurements. These lights are the most advanced technology I've seen to date.
i was pretty convinced Shane held a standard of measuring 64 points.
but the grid on this sheet says 6x6 though, so in this case its 36.
so maybe i remembered it wrong :D
the height standard kind usually is whatever the manufacturer advises,
which is a bit complicated as in flowering you're going to want them closer.
therefor any manufacturer worth its salt has a seperate height for veg and flowering, either that or a smaller area for flowering
(for instance: 3x3 veg | 2x2 flowering)
@@klontjespap bro this is exactly what I'm saying pay enough attention you'll see lots more about the dude Shane I'm not saying shit but if you couggt that keep looking
@@christopherparis6841 lol what are you talking about. the bigger the area the more squares in the area . he sets the measurements by the recommended settings of the light manufacturer. his sensor is a certain size and he goes from side to side until he reaches the bottom. that grid behind him is 16 squares. each square is one foot by one foot ,and the sensor goes in each square 4 times , in all four corners of it. so that is 64 spots the sensor stops. .so 3x3 is 36 sensor readings , 2x2 is 16 sensor readings.since this light is meant for 3x3 he took 36 readings. that is the industry standard. you do know his company makes lights? what would be the benefit of saying a light is good when it would just hurt his sales. and he doesnt get paid. by law if you have a sponsor or get paid you have to disclose it. if he didnt he would lose his channel. even if he did. anyone with a sensor could just test the same light and ruin his career if he lied. he is extremely well respected in the light community.
Seedling light, thats all....
Does it bother you as much as me that these "reviewer's" are doing such a disservice by recommending this garbage? This is a trash lamp and I can't believe so many people take info and Amazon listings at face value... Whoever buys this lamp because of this dude is going to be very, very disappointed.
4 of these fit into a 4x4 with space, cost under $400 and easily produce a lb from 4 plants.. agreed there are better lights, but not sure there are better cheap lights
Looks like a nice cheap veg light
200 watts could actually flower one nice plant, im impressed for a chinese built light.
Not exactly a physiologist. More sales then science, if you have any interest in quality it's hard pass on these vaguely described lights.
Can you review these little ACEPLE 80w LED waterproof panel led? I got 2 for $48 a piece and they are great space bucket lights. Using one in a galvanized 50 gal garbage can, using one for my males atm. And for the price it’s outstanding. Not buying the 2.5uMOL efficiency label and the driver is not mean well but for IP65 grade 1.5’ by 1.5’ these are bestly little toster size lights www.exit15.com/aceple-full-spectrum-sunlike-white-led-grow-light-600w-equal-wate
I bet it won't last 3 run's before it blows a chip
i'm not too sure
i have a blurple 155w (72*3w epistars driven fairly soft) no-brand panel all the way from 2013, maybe early 2014,
bought off some wholesale importer for like a bit over 150 bucks.
ofcourse the efficiency is shite for today's standards, but i've done at least 10 runs on it solo, and still use them as side lighting for bulking up in the flowering stage on the cobbled-together citizen clu048 1212 cob setup i have now.
it has yet to fail, which really impresses me.
ofcourse i kept the (pretty loud) dual fan setup clean over the years, and lubed up the fans once in between, as these old chips are way more prone to die from overheating than the average power led today (still nowhere near cobs, but better),
going over 40 degrees is already seriously detrimental to them, if the fans fail, it dies within minutes, maintenance is key.
still gives decent results if you get up real close.
it may degrade in efficiency quick because the power supply is gash, but for 90 bucks i'm willing to look the other way
also: in the interview with Dr. Bruce Bugbee Shane did a while ago, it was said the reliability of led panels has improved significantly since 2013.
but i would prefer a bit of a better cooling solution for good measure, besides longevity, it helps short-term efficiency too.
@@klontjespap just buy a better light problem solved
as long as it doesnt overheat it will be fine. even the cheapest diodes have a good shelf life, just not the best efficiency.
I grew marijuana with this light and it didn't flower very well.
PAR TOWER 2019 ÷ LOTS IF RIME EH LOL
Being nice arent you. Thats pretty weak i did better on Alibaba. its maybe good for 2x2.
Trash light. Spider farms shits on it for a cheap light. Better off building your own.
Quite the sellout aren't we....
how can you be a sellout when his entire channel is based on testing and reviewing other people's lights? if its a good light he recommends it, if its a bad light he says stay away.
Shane can't be bought... Except sexually.
you are new here huh ? ...
@@Des420 lmao , i like this answer.