If you buy a product with an arbitration clause you have no legal recourse to sue. Until these arbitration clauses are ruled as unconstitutional by forcing you to sign away your rights it will go on.
@Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1 Hey. What a good idea. Then we can believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Go up your meds dude and get some mental help. You need it.
Oh I have to mention this too, I bought the LG washing machine about three years ago, starting from first year the machine started malfunctioning until now and I have to live with it as long as my clothes clean 😅
I had an LG fridge and it broke as well. It was under “warranty”. They agreed to replace the compressor but not the labor! AND I was told that a new circuit board would also be needed to run the compressor and that would not be covered. The “certified” repair man quoted me $1800 to fix something under warranty. Needless to say I told them to piss off. And the arbitration on box?! BS! You don’t see the box in the store, and you don’t see the box in delivery. It’s opened on the truck or in the ground in front of the truck and then the box is taken away by the delivery. It’s never seen. And who reads an owners manual for a fridge? You hook it up, plug it in, wait till it gets cold, and insert food! How difficult can it be. Big companies are being permitted to get away with too much Sh*t this days. I say boycott LG appliances.
@@lilkittygirl you can’t read an owners manual before you buy a product! So the issue about arbitration found in the owners manual is moot. And reading the owners manual in this case doesn’t stop the compressor going out prematurely and would not have prevented the problem we encountered, nor the issue we had with repair cost quotes. So take your “fool” comment somewhere else.
@lilkittygirl You can still legally sue them. Just like those stickers that claim the warrenty is void is removed, those have no weight and they still have to uphold their warrenty if removed so long as you didn't alter the device.
And the list just gets bigger and bigger and the choices of who you can trust just get tinier and tinier. Corporations rule the world and our "leaders" have all sold out. Regulations and such are practically non existent now and what still exists are never enforced and if they are its a tiny penalty.
Why would anyone buy LG refrigerator is beyond me. After one faulty 4k monitor and terrible customer service, I won’t touch anything that has a LG logo on it
Whirlpool is no better, starting with the icemaker. I was thinking of LG now no way. But I do have a frontloader washer. Arbitration would be OK if they did not give you the runaround but they do.
As a 7 year appliance repairman. That LG compressor is literally the only one I keep in stock on my truck at all time. For every 10 compressors I replace, 6 or 7 of them are LG compressors.
Did you just replace with a standard compressor and reprogram the logic board to accomodate that its not an inverter compressor any longer? That's what most fixes I've seen and had done on my lg fridge.
@@polygaryd the new linear compressor from LG require a firmware update via a dongle. What I was told my a LG engineer was that firmware update adjusts the variable speed settings. It’s required to update all boards generally speaking. I don’t change compressor types. I know it’s possible but I’m a by the book guy and I put that part that is supposed to be in there back.
@@Torianx69 yeah the dongle programs the logic board. The standard compressor and logic board reprogram is supposedly the fix for this issue. Lg did cover it under a class action lawsuit years ago I thought too. At least thats how I got mine. Stupid fridge then developed a sealed system leak and I said f this fridge and sent it on its way. 2 years for a compressor and then a sealed system leak at 4 or 5 years old. I thought A fridge shouldnt give me this much trouble and hucked it out the door.
My Great grandpa's yellow fridge still freezing well ....it even has a mouse who built its home on the back panel ...but it still freezes really well anyone wants the Brand and Model#???
*LG* stands for... *Load* of *Garbage!!* (I heard that about 15 years ago.... after my LG dehumidifier quit after only a couple of years.... looks like this slogan is the only thing still working at LG after all these years!)
Senior citizens here , husband with heart condition Going through this right now .. lost $900.00 worth of food . Living out of a cooler buying ice everyday. Multiple phone calls three repair technicians from LG .. replaced compressor, dryer , checked mother board .. they all said it’s fine .. still 68* and 69* . We finally after three weeks were sent a message from LG .. guess what a voucher for half of what we paid for it and we have to use it on another LG refrigerator! Ours is 4 years old , purchased an extra 5 year warranty. And yes 10 year warranty on it as stated in their manual. This is so disgraceful.. At this point I’m so upset I don’t even know where to turn.
It's not a legal arbitration notice. A lawyer simply needs to point to the Samsung case where the judge ruled a piece of paper in a box does not prove somebody read and accepted the notice.
If their focus on customer satisfaction is paramount, then why are they still intentionally selling faulty units for so long after discovering the problem?
because that line is a load of horse crap they don't give a rats fart about any customers and never have hence the fact that they din't show them the box and only allow them to see the paper after the customer already bought the product they are a shady predatory amoral company driven by greed
I don't think it's intentional. No company wants the backlash of social media discovery that their fridges go bad within a couple years. Likely the compressor build is sourced from another company who is cutting corners.
It's just a way for LG to try and save money. Arbitration is cheaper and they are more likely to win as well. I'm not saying that they aren't aware but I assume the driver is to cut their costs on all their products. There is no mechanism to say that someone agreed to their requirement. I think it's insane these arbitration clauses are legal at all.
To think that LG believes that contractual wording on the delivery box is valid boggles the mind. Is the consumer supposed to sign the box upon delivery and send it back to LG?
Unless I physically sign a contract to that effect on paper or online, there is no way putting something on the box and in a manual you can see only after purchase and opening it is a binding agreement. Or is this part of some stupid agreement you have to sign because you need an account to use some dumb wifi feature? Never get those kind of appliances. Get an extended warranty with the store if you really want to be safe at an extra cost.
@@dark14life They can't put something like that on a box and reasonably expect that to be legally binding? Especially when you only see that after purchase. It has to be a signature or an accept button on a website or something like that, not on a bloody box or manual. Sounds like a massive lawsuit to me.
@@vonier13 its just a laywer shakedown of a company and the media likes it. truth is a few thousand malfunctions on a total of tens of millions fridges is not bad at all. nothing wrong with LG products.
Never had issues with any of my LG appliances... Just saying or phones... Sucks they aren't made anymore phones were amazing for the price. But I also don't abuse, follow the manual and perform PMIs on my equipment... So you know... Follow the manual, you also have to have sufficient airflow around any fridge btw... The heat has to go somewhere, most people with fridge problems have them boxed into their cabinets...
I had a similar problem with a KitchenAid fridge. After months of calls and finally a letter asking for a refund or replacement I received a full refund from Whirlpool Canada. Kudos to them for doing the right thing.
A good question for LG would be: "Did you only begin putting arbitration notices on the box and fridge AFTER you knew there was a probem with the compressors?"
You can't force somebody into an arbitration clause after purchase lmao I can't sell you a product THEN tell you "oh by the way you're not entitled to your legal protection anymore because I decided after the fact"
I can fix my LG product. Hmm, seems to be fixed. I did not and will not buy LG again. I do have their brand on my TV. Won't buy them again after seeing how they are treating people.
Did you actually watch this video? They mentioned two more locations, and one of them is in the manual. However, the entire video seems to be fixated on the box as a cherry picking news making, and "simple" viewers are concerned that the focus is the box.
@@razzraziel the reasoning was explained in the video, I suppose some "simple" viewers may have missed that part or not understood the explanations and examples of other cases like this they talked about.
The arbitration notice needs to be provided to the consumer at the time of purchase. Putting it on the box, taped inside of the fridge, and placing it inside the owners manual is insufficient notice. When you buy an appliance at The Home Depot they do not take it back or return it. You are stuck with it.
I had literally bought an LG. The delivery guys arrived and left without even calling me. I just got a message saying they couldn't deliver. After many phone calls complaining, it was rescheduled for 2 weeks later. In that time, I came across the original video about this problem. Looked into it more and then got a refund before they delivered. I got a Bosch instead. Thank you guys for saving me a lot of hassle.
This type of shabby fraud is too common. Ashley Furniture is terrible for defective products, and a nightmare if you refuse delivery (Edit, Glad you caught on before you were stuck with it)
I work on TONS of Bosch. Made in China like every thing else. People think Bosch is something else. In my honest opinion, being in the appliance repair industry, Bosch pays for their reviews.
we almost bought an LG fridge today but then i remembered this video. did a quick search and found this video again. now i know why the LG fridge is so cheap right now. BIG NOPE
I bought one of those old ones for $50 at a garage sale as an overflow. Over the previous 12 or so years, the old one has saved my food from rotting in a newer but dead fridge.
My fridge made in 1923 is still working for over 101 years now. It's working for 4 generations. th-cam.com/video/A3jCds5viNc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=k_TWg6YAKFFvTy6a&t=10 Elektrolux L15
You can 't force arbitration by making a notice, it must be signed with informed consent in most states implicitly to prevent companies (like LG) from abusing it.
@@Mikey-ym6ok For that to work you'd have to sign off on that agreement, at the very least have access to it, prior to purchasing. Arbitration notices on boxes, inside fridges and owners manuals don't provide a mechanism for consent.
A lot of employers also make you sign an arbitration agreement when you accept a job offer to keep you from suing them when they rip you off on your wages. Every company that I accepted a job offer from that tried to force me into an arbitration agreement I declined right on the spot! If they're pulling that BS on you, then they're gonna try and rip you off somehow!
I guess I got lucky, I bought a home in 2009 and filled it with LG appliances, refrigerator, stove, microwave, washer and dryer. All of them are still running strong today. This will give me at the very least, a moment of pause on future purchases though.
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative This has all started to happen at once in the last few years. Samsung started it about 2010 with cheap parts then the others saw Samsung get away with shoddy goods and followed a few years later.
LG washers and dryer combo unit failed 3x in less than 2 years of ownership.Their reliability issue is not just refrigerators but dryers and washers too.
When you complain about low quality problems, people used to say “you get what you pay for”. But now you can pay out the nose for a stainless steel three door fridge and still get a piece of shit.
It's "attorneys general", not "attorney generals". And just because a clause is written into a contract, doesn't mean it's legal. You can't waive your liabilities/obligations like that. A company could hide "we reserve the right to take all your money" in the middle of a contract, and even if you sign it, it doesn't mean they can actually do it. That clause would obviously be voided, and in some cases it could void the entire contract.
Federal case law strongly favors corporations when it comes to notifications of this nature. I'm not going to suggest that printing it on a box that the consumer is unlikely to ever see will pass muster, but, sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if it does. You may have tighter laws in your state, but at the federal level, using a product after notification implies consent, and the notification process only needs to be "reasonable." Companies don't have to prove that any specific consumer was aware of the terms and conditions. They only need to show that they should have been. Most companies put their terms on a sheet of paper inside the package such that a consumer must purchase and open the product before they can see the terms of use and the courts have said that's fine. For many products printing those terms on the outside of the box would be an improvement - just not for kitchen appliances in the US market. LG's method of notification notwithstanding, requiring binding arbitration for consumer product disputes isn't inherently unreasonable. Most states prefer that to clogging up the court system with thousands of petty cases. Most states allow companies to require arbitration in lieu of civil tort, and most companies take advantage of it. LG is the norm in that regard, not an exception. It can be better for the consumer too, since the costs are lower. Realistically, few people will sue LG over a $2000 refrigerator because the legal fees will far exceed the damages you can expect to recover. While we often hear about losers being forced to pay the winner's legal fees, that's actually pretty rare, and judges usually only do that when the loser's behavior is so egregious that it never should have gone to court to begin with. Arbitration costs CAN BE quite modest if you win since the loser customarily pays the arbitration costs. It's also far more reasonable to go to arbitration without a lawyer since arbitration doesn't usually involve all the procedural hurdles that courts require.
Yes that's why some places make you sign something before you go into them. Haunted houses are known for this because of accidents. You can still try I guess you could call a bluff if they didn't actually legally go through the arbitration process
I've been repairing appliances for decades, they were more reliable, but there was never appliances that lasted decades with no maintenance/repairs lol.
Remember when they were actually built in América with American quality? Yea those days are long gone. Companies like kenmore, craftsman all sold out to the chinese.
The owner's manual isn't available to customers until they buy and actually own the product. The box isn't available either until you've already bought it. The arbitrary notice isn't listed in their commercials, advertisements or at the stores. Most stores only have a generic unit out for display, and they remove any plastic bags containing parts, screws, owner's manuals, pamphlets ect before putting them on the floor. Imagine you bought a new car, and once delivered, inside a compartment in the trunk was a small booklet that says "Our brakes go bad in a month. You agree to arbitration." LG trying to skirt the law. Consumers have to be warned upfront, at the time of purchase. Sounds like a slam dunk lawsuit to me.
Door fell off our stainless steel LG fridge/ freezer & hit my daughter in the head, narrowly missed her 2yr old son standing next to her … after a total of 40 emails, yes that’s 40 emails to LG they blamed us for their “faulty” fridge door hinge… all we did was open the freakin’ fridge door! … wld never have another LG appliance in our home … from CHILLED OUT … Sydney, “Down Under” Australia 🇦🇺
My dad had a LG tv a fee years back. After a couple years of owning it the tv updated and took away the tv’s smart tv capabilities. POS company is an understatement. In my line of work I have a ton of people always asking about appliances and I always say 1 thing. Stay away from LG.
@@TK-xw5db No, things will be better when the government focuses on taking care of shit going on in it's own backyard instead of meddling in the affairs of other countries so corporations can sell their crap all over the world and rip everyone off. A government entity invalidated the arbitration agreement that was inside the Samsung phone box and it would be good if it strikes down the one that is deceptively placed vs right where the buyer can see it immediately. Most people never see the box because the ones delivering the unit take the unit out of the box before bringing it into the home.
My LG’s compressor died 6 months outside the warranty. $950 for the parts, $1k for labor. The fridge was $2k. The sad part is, my grandparents died with the same refrigerator that my dad grew up with
So why did you not buy a new fridge? I had a similar issue with LG. I was told by people any repair to the LG would be costly and would take considerable time. I went out and got a different brand. Paying $2K to repair a $2K fridge when you can get a new one for the same amount seems a fool's errand.
@@Jimster481 huh? I can't find a new fridge that doesn't come with a warranty. People are mad at LG because they're paying $1500 for a fridge that fails in 2 years at rates far higher than other brands.
@@Jimster481 LG also doesn't support their warranties with their TVs as well. Had one go under warranty, LG admitted it was on them, then started a year plus drama with multiple service companies that LG passed the buck off on - until finally I just gave up and tossed the TV. All the time LG could have just replaced my TV which just had a single component go bad - it's similar to the runaround people get with refunds; drag it out so long people just give up. LG can go to ....
My $2000. Fridge. Died. Replaced 1 compressor at $400 and lasted 1.5 years. I took it to the dump. Talked to local appliance repair guys, they said lg makes junk compressors and bought what they advised.
I install appliances for a living and one of the main refrigerators I replace are LGs and the customers always go into long rants about how much they hated it. The company I work for refuses to sell LG for this very reason.
One of the largest appliance sellers in my area is also done with LGs. They don't want to sell them nor do they want to deal with their terrible warranty and service department.
Sad part we have one build by the same bunch. Different name and piece of junk also. We were at Best Buy just looking . Opened the door on a LG, salesman told the wife and I. Please don't buy that junk. When we told him we had so an so brand. That's when he told is its the same fridge. Ours dumps water everywhere on defrost mode.
Bit unrelated but I got an LG at a big chain store (I won’t mention the name) right before Christmas and purchased an LG 65 inch television. It was for an extremely low price because of the sale. Anyway the sales associate seemed to try to talk me out of the LG, to my surprise. And really pushed for the warranty, saying that “this was a Christmas sale model” 😂 okay buddy. But yeah maybe he has a lot of returns of LG products in general. I have always like LG products myself and the TV has been good. Only complaint is when there is a black screen displayed you see some areas have blotches of grey. Like large patches on one side of the screen and they are large like the size of your hand. But that’s only on black screens. So as soon as it is actually displaying anything it looks great and you can’t see any of that.
My LG linear compressor fridge died after about 5 years of use, I called repair contractor, they did some tests and said the compressor was dead, repair cost was about $1k. The repair crew also mentioned that LG fridges with linear compressors have one of the highest failure rates, if not the highest, based on their experience. I made a point to never buy LG fridges again after that.
I bought a Kitchenaid from Sears back in 2007, it's still running. But a long time ago things used to last, even those old fridges (60s, 80s) that were created to last, but now they build them cheap and build them to break not long after a warranty expires. And we aren't even talking about cheap Chinese junk. I try to stick with Japanese made stuff if at all possible.
I own all maytag, all have worked amazing now for 10 years. One thing went out on my fridge but it was super easy to fix myself and was only a $15 part
Same here. They came out about 4 times and then said it’s not coming back to life. It’s dead and they gave me all my money back except the $99 first call out fee. I felt ripped off from Seats and LG. They know what they are doing is robbery.
It gets shadier because LG often fixes these issues in South Korea under warranty. I'm from Korea and I would pick Speedqueen over LG 100% of the time.
The fact that they are spending money on fighting legal instead of sending new fridges out or extending warranties is telling of how large the situation is
McDonald's spent tens of millions of dollars fighting that old woman who was hospitalized with burns from their coffee rather then just paying her 30k in hospital bills. Corporation sucks
@@tigermike74 She sued because they wouldn't cover her medical bills and knowingly sold a product that was way too hot. They had been warned prior by other customers that their coffee was being sold at a temperature that would cause burns.
@@tigermike74 You have clearly never actually read the real story. The woman suffered second and third degree burns to her crotch. The coffee was literally 175-190 degrees Fahrenheit, otherwise known as just shy of boiling temperature. The folds of her labia were literally burned and fused together. She wanted her medical expenses, Mcdonalds tried to fight it. She was initially awarded millions in punitive damages that she didn't want because the jury rightfully saw how messed up she was, and it was shown in court that serving the coffee to customers at such a dangerous temperature was common routine. It was later appealed and the amount was lessened. You were so close to having the right take, but you clearly have no clue how bad the actual details of that case are. People like you are why PR firms rake in billions of dollars a year, because it clearly works.
There is a video online of someone cutting open a compressor to find out what fails. Instead of using metal valves, the industry standard, the compressor has a rubber coated valve. At high temperature and in oil, the valve disintegrates coating all the components on the inside with rubber, until the refrigerant dryer filter clogs and the valve fails, much like the old water valves that used rubber washers. Replacing the compressor with another of the same is not a fix, but a replacement component leading to an early failure. The answer to the problem is to replace the compressor with parts from another manufacture. Don't ask for a repair with OEM factory parts. Ask for a reliable alternative compressor to be used instead. Yes this might not be covered under the manufacture's warranty, but if the fridge is out of warranty, and you like the fridge other than the compressor issue, use a 3rd party refrigeration company for recommendations. This may be less expensive than buying yet another new fridge.
This👆....when the repair company said they ran out of lg compressors i asked if he can add one from another company that would work till they arrive. He added one and the fridge worked much better than when we initially purchased it. Lg is literal trash
It's by request. They want things to fail, otherwise you won't need them anymore. The days of "affordable" products like fridges that last 15 years+ are about over. Same with car part failures. They're now designed to fail, so you need to come back and repair or buy new. It's a scam.
@@planetfabulous5833 some people may feel this comment is discriminatory against Korean companies. But let's not forget about Samsung Galaxy Note 7 exploding cellphone, the current Kia Boyz stealing poorly secured Kia cars, this LG fridge issue. Also makes one genuinely reconsider buying a Hyundai or Genesis too.
Our long-time premium appliance dealer warned us that we should expect major appliances to last No more than 4 or 5 years😢 and to expect a repair or two along the way. Kinda reminds me of the Kenmore oven that "melts" the expensive computer controls if you use the Self Clean feature.
my 1952 Frigidaire is still humming along with only 2 repairs in its whole life... and only one was related to the refrigeration part. Just a bum capacitor when it was almost 50 years old.
@@1987Flaka BTW, our local Grange Hall has a "Monitor Top" (small commercial @ 18 cu ft) from the mid 30s that survived a flood in the mid 50s because the compressor was on top. It was still in use last I looked 2 years ago. A friend has the smaller version (7 cu ft) from about 1934 and it's still keeping his beer cold. Neither one has a full freezer, just an ice tray area.
@@JaapVanderHorst You might be amazed at how thrifty these old things are. I have measured a few just for that very reason and I found those vintage units to run less than half the monthly Kw and, in some cases, almost 25% of power draw. Bottom line is no fans, no defrost cycle, which also means no dust accumulation on the outside coil to diminish efficiency. As long as the door latch and door gasket are decent you can relax. The flip side is you will need to do a manual defrost every few months.
@@woox200sx100%!!! But on a side note… a friend just got a new LG air conditioner and in +40c heat, it ticks along soo quietly on the outdoor unit, it’s like it’s not even trying!! You could literally sleep beside the outdoor unit, fan barely blowing and the compressor just seems like it’s barely running. (7kw covering about 60 square metres) …but it’s an LG after all, so I’m interested to see if they’ve genuinely improved!? LG, Samsung are ok for electronics… terrible for mechanical. That’s my motto.
My LG just died yesterday. I am trying the DIY tips (clean coils, “reboot”, turn down temp) but something is shot. It IS barely six years old and it is sad that I am considered lucky to have got that much. My last fridge was over 20 years old and we only got rid of it due to remodeling. The one before that (came with house) was probably 40 years old. Newer isn’t always better.
As a refrigerator salesman, and someone who works with the refrigerator delivery people a lot, they actually unbox the fridges in a warehouse and ship them without the box, they don’t even unbox it in the home, so if the consumer gets the fridge delivered (most people do) they have absolutely no way of ever seeing the box at all
That seems the opposite of my experience. Only floor models seemed to come unboxed. New ones were delivered boxed and opened at the home, to protect them in the truck. I have had to turn away an appliance before that was damaged, supposedly in the truck on the way over to my home.
@@Shadow_Banned_ConservativeI work delivery for an appliance retailer. We unbox in the warehouse so we can inspect for shipping damages and replace it with good inventory if need be. Some companies prefer to deliver in the box because it's easier to transport and at least a little less likely to take incidental cosmetic damage. Unboxing in the field sucks though. A mountain of trash that has to be transported for your entire route, longer time at each stop, no way to fix it if you do find problems.
I legitimately cannot fathom this. I am 29, and my refrigerator is older than me, with no signs of giving up the ghost. For 2 to die within 5 years is insane. Arbitration mandates should be illegal because companies abuse them.
My old fridge finally bit the dust, and I'm having a hard time picking out a new one. It's not just LG, though they seem to be the worst followed by Samsung, but none of them are made to last unless you want to spend a lot of money.
My grandmothers old "automatic" wringer type washing machine still runs and washes clothes, and it's older than me (i'm 60 this year). Just don't get a finger stuck in them rollers. They just don't build things to last anymore. Fridges, washers, stoves blowing their glass doors into their owners etc. Everything is made cheap and crappy, but you pay as if you were buying something that would last 60+ years... and end with something you're lucky if you get 2 years out of.
I had an LG refrigerator compressor go out. I called and they gave me phone numbers to LG repairmen in my area. Not one of them would come out. They all said that they would not work on an LG refrigerator because the replacement compressors were crap. I'd love to get in on this lawsuit!
Exact same thing happened to me. The repair techs hate it because the compressors fall again and again and the owner thinks the tech didn't do their jobs right. It's totally criminal.
Refrigerators and freezers today are the worst! My wife and I have a Montgomery Wards freezer that my parents had when I was a kid, it is over 40 years old and going strong. Please bring back the good old days.
The problem with older more durable appliances is that they required more maintenance and upkeep from the owner. Older fridges lasted longer, but you had to de-ice the freezer and there were warm spots in the fridge that as the owner youd eventually learn and avoid. Newer fridges are fighting these problems but working backwards on others at the same time.
I see that a lot of comments involve how good appliances used to be. Here's the difference: all my 60's, 70's, even some 80's appliances were made in the USA by American labor standards, and made to last. No fancy gimmicks, just sturdy, boring appliances without the bells and whistles now that are guaranteed to fail. We live in a disposable world; it's so distressing.
I have a fridge/freezer combo and a standing shelf freezer that was left with our house we bought 2 years ago. The models are nearing 30 years old. I knew I hit the jackpot when they left them with the house. They were filthy, disgusting. The standing freezer needed to be defrosted and bleached badly. But we cleaned them up and I'm so thankful to have some old appliances along with our new ones. The fridge is inside my shop and keeps everything ice cold on the economy temp setting. I have avacados that have lasted a month in my shop fridge. Cabbage, oranges, cheese, milk. I had a milk last 10 days past expiration. They're old Kenmores btw.
My compressor died on my LG 2 months ago. Cost me $400 for a new one. Repair guy told me LG made the worst fridge on the market. I hope LG gets taken to court over this fraud
I have an LG Android phone that I'm about to replace. Let's just say I noticed that LG products, regardless of what they are, are prone to misbehavior. I've experienced LG TV's in hotel rooms. Some of them don't turn on with remote control. Or change channels.
@MisterMikeTexas I got rid of my LG phone years ago. I literally went outside after getting my new Samsung phone and smashed my LG Phone on the ground. Never again! Samsung across the board from now on.
@@societynewsnetwork5973 DON`T buy a samsuck refrigerator! We have been stuck with a French door model and the ice maker froze up every few weeks. Home Depot replaced it 4 times under the extended warranty we bought and we replaced it once before giving up and turning the ice maker off. Thousands of people on a facebook group with the same problem!
Many parts of many companies are produced on cheap labor and with very generous quality standards. Most parts have to be released with a formal deviation to be shipped and used on the assembly lines of these companies. The completed product in this case, the fridge is not 100% inspected because the received parts "were verified" before shipping. Every company is like this, big numbers produced and shipped and no time to make sure everything is everything is right, because is a "competition"
Samsung is no good either. Or GE. Nothing is built to last cause it doesn’t make financial sense for the companies. They still profit even with negative publicity and repairs. It’s baked into their projections.
LG is fine, just don’t get a refrigerator from them unless you choose to boycott the entire company. Each company has their niche products. You’d be better off researching before you buy big appliances. For me, my downfall was not researching because my house was being built and it needed furnishing; was tired of researching everything.
LOL you can't just put an arbitration notice on a box. If the law worked like that I could drive to LG and put a box on their front desk that says "I own this building now."
My grandma and grandpa bought a fridge when they got married and the damn thing is still working like a champ. It's older than me, a bit rusty and yellowish but it never disappoints.
The only thing that usually fails on the old refrigerators is the door seal. Most of the ones that you see in your local town dump are still functional but have bad door seals
@@kennethhigdon1159 yup Mons fridge the seal is is broken she wants a new fridge. I bought a 3rd party seal on Amazon for $30 and is running for fine for over a decade after I put the new seal in.
Same happened to me. It took them a month to get a repairman. I had to buy a mini fridge and lost $400 worth of food. When they finally fixed it, only bc a year later the compressor died again. I made sure they left the original compressor along with the box. I will never, and I repeat never, buy ANYTHING LG ever again.
You are exactly correct, I can say that having lived there. They could care less about us problems if they happen here. If it was in Korea the issue would get fixed.
@@anonfilly7335 This is the best response about the company. I hope people all around the world will stop buying their products and bankrupt them. Disclaimer. I don't own an lg fridge and I will never buy one because of the way lg is cheating people.
If this happens in Korea, LG wins. You have no clue about the Korea customer protection law. Korean companies need to learn that they cannot behave like a scammer in this country. LG will be paying many millions of dollars once the US consumers sue hell out of LG.
LG has a pretty good reputation that has been needlessly tarnished. I wonder why LG chose to spend money on designing, printing, and placing arbitration notices on and with its refrigerators instead of just making a quality product?
@@tomrogers9467 Class-action lawsuits are not. Neither is the hit that their reputation would take. This situation could cost LG a fortune in the long run.
Companies' responses for the press: Before: We have not been notified. During: We do not comment ongoing litigation. After: We do not comment court decisions.
We bought an LG refrigerator with the double doors on top and the freezer drawer below because my husband had severe spinal issues that made bending down very painful. When the compressor went out it was no longer under warranty. We had a reputable repairman come to fix it. Instead he said that they would not install a replacement compressor because the LG refrigerator compressor would just go out again. They saved me from a fruitless repair bill and I thank them for their honesty.
@@KingKongbabe "New" appliances are so interwired with their electronic brains that the parts are very specific. You have to literally gut an appliance and redo it to change a brand named part.
Same here. We junked ours instead of repairing it a second time (!) and bought a GE. So far, so good, but I don't like the fridge as much. I will never, ever give LG another dime.
@@KingKongbabe That can be done, but it requires major modifications and is not cost effective. There is a TH-cam video where a guy did it. No normal repairman running a business ever would.
Simple LG. We need to hear that you have resolved the issue. Or we use media to send you the same way as budweiser. In a yeat or two, we will be asking what was LG???
Honestly, I can say that most of the issues with LG are related to the linear compressor. It's not to say that there were other appliances are all 100% perfect, but I have great luck with them. I also have good luck with some of the American made whirlpool kitchen products, but my parents had horrible luck with American made whirlpool high-end washer dryer which had mostly parts from China that failed in 3 years or less. Thankfully, they sell extended warranties for other brands, but if you don't buy them, you are SOL because LG and Samsung are the only brands providing any real warranties. With LG being consistently the only company to provide 10-year warranties on most of its appliances, where most companies are providing 1-year warranties. I was actually astonished when I went to purchase a new fridge because I wanted to buy an American made whirlpool fridge to go with the rest of my whirlpool appliances. However, the whirlpool fridge was using an old school style compressor that uses 900 watts and the entire fridge had only a one year warranty despite being more expensive than LG, which was very efficient.
@@SayAhh the reviews can be within 1 yr which is why they are good. Ita after 2 or 3yrs where you start to see the problems thus once you leave the review you can edit it. Amazon and I think think ebay can edit reviews.
Our Kenmore (made by LG) refrigerator stopped working after an electrical outage. I found out this can be caused by a bad motherboard. I removed the motherboard and read online that most techs just replace the board to the tune of $300 or $400. What I discovered was that there is a soldered in fuse which is then not easily consumer replaceable. It's the same style and amperage as a common microwave fuse, which I had several of. I also happened to have a fuse holder of the appropriate size. So on a Sunday afternoon I carefully desoldered the factory fuse and soldered on the holder and installed a new fuse. This is a $900 refrigerator and I wonder how many end up in the land fill because people don't want to spend $400 to fix a used $900 appliance...when all it really needs is a $1 fuse? The fuse did it's job protecting the appliance, but really should be consumer replaceable.
Same with Samsung, or any other out there. We don't deserve this planet. P.S. absolutely everything you return to big stores, Walmart, Best Buy etc... they end up at recycling, no matter even if you didn't even took it out of the box... ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING goes to recycling, I know because I work for a recycling company.
Why would they solder a fuse instead of spending a couple pennies on a holder/fitting to make them easily serviceable? Or is that normal for these kinds of fuses? Also to then not make the existence of said fuse readily apparent to repair folks.
Problem is that it cost hundreds just to have a service guy show up, and most folks can't do it themselves. So if the part is one dollar or 300, it is often more economical to scrap the fridge and get another. But it sure is insane.
@@sigilbaram It normal to make things not customer serviceable. Most electronic devices are a pain to service. Making sacrificial parts not replaceable or removing them entirely from the design is part of the trend.
Just cross it out with a heavy duty marker and write "I do not consent." and initial it like it's a normal contract then go to court and show it to the judge when LG says you can't sue. 😂
That's all the stupid California Prop 65 warning is - a don't sue us label. Everything has that dumb label, and 95% of things that have that label don't actually pose any danger. They're just putting the sticker on so they can avoid expensive testing that proves it doesn't. Now, their asses are covered when Karen from Palo Alto decides she wants a quick payday
Ive just researched refrigerators for the past 3 weeks. I bought one yesterday. I told the salesman that im only interrested in GE an Frigidaire. I bought a garage ready Frigidaire. Good reviews
The new LG fridges have an updated compressor design and use the newer refrigerant so *should* be more reliable. That said, do you really want to deal with this company if something does go wrong?
My parents bought a new General Electric refrigerator in 1958. It lasted well into the 80s before they finally got rid of it. Today, you’re lucky a refrigerator lasts five years.
Sorry I got rid of a fridge I bought in 1983, it still worked great when I renovated the kitchen and went stainless all the rage.found out Durable goods are no longer durable.
@@vollkerball1You'd think that, but in the era of everything being a "smart" appliance a lot of refrigerators actually do have TOS agreements. Same way a TV isn't a service but if you don't agree to LG's litigation policy then you cannot use your TV beyond HDMI input.
"By not looking or otherwise agreeing to this notice, you agree to arbitration, the donation of your first born, and voluntarily live complete organ harvesting within a period of 12 months to LG. We hope the fridge is worth it"
I have a LG tv. Tempted to send them a $500 bill written on cardboard demanding payment for accepting the TV delivery. "Oh you didn't see it? That's just how we do business here"
No it doesnt! If they stated by accpeting the property you have agreed to Arbitration then you would be required to go to arbitration. But, most people dont know that if you file a small claims against them , that would side step the arbitration process. I didnt realize that until an attorney suggest I do that and when the defendant object to the case being in small claims court instead of arbitration, it was struck down and the attorney had to deal with small claims court. So here is another thing, in arbitration, it could be considered a class but instead of getting a ruling by a juror, its done by an arbitrator which in most cases, sides with the business.
@bjvu9460 the problem is you don't see it until you've already purchased the product and it's in your home. So, now you either agree or lose money by returning it
@@bjvu9460 you're incorrect ..(its enforceability wouldn't survive an appeal or supreme Court challenge) When entering into a contract, both parties have to be cognizant of what it is they're bargaining, if one party is woefully in the dark, because of the shenanigans of the other party, that contract will not survive a challenge as a matter of law.
What's insane is that there is so much fridge competition and LG thinks this isn't gonna seriously hurt their brand and reputation. So many people are already choosing Kenmore and Samsung fridges.
@Ziegfried82 Actually samsung has been improving a lot in the last 5 years. Sure they had a bad reputation but they are going in the opposite direction of LG
No company or individual should be allowed to make themselves immune to a lawsuit. This creates alot of room for corruption. The right to sue and seek redress from the courts should be available for all.
My LG went out within a year twenty years ago. I got a partial refund and had to buy a different brand. Recently we had to replace our washer, we walked right past that brand. Never again.
My dad used to be a refrigerator repairman, and I would go with him as a tool fetcher and gopher. Came across a lady who had a 1934 Frigidare that run like a top and kept the inside perfectly cold. If they had tech in the 30's that would last so long, you know for a fact with modern tech, failures are designed into the machines.
Yup, and then these same leeches of coporations will preach to us about 'climate change ' and how concerned they are about it , all while ignoring the huge landfill of their broken newish appliances😡
@@YesHumphreyAppleby Less energy efficient designs and older refrigerants do not equal longer lasting. It's mostly cost cutting that causes designs to be deficient. Most consumers aren't going to pay more for a fridge that's going to last 50 years, they look at the features and cost. Cramming more features into a cheaper appliance means all those extra features have to be built as cheaply as possible and that means parts that aren't designed to last.
We recently replaced our LG. We bought it new and the compressor died after 7 years. Repair guy's quote came to about what a new fridge would cost. We went with a basic side-by-side GE. Hoping for better this time around.
@@kuyre2239 looking at high-end chinese tvs, lg tvs are way ahead on the quality control. chinese panels almost always have some kind of defects. if lg tvs become shit, there are others on the same league like samsung and sony.
If I was a judge, I would say that if an arbitration notice is being offered by a company, it must be agreed to and signed by the purchaser before the moment of purchase. Otherwise, it is null and void. The purchaser needs to be aware that there is one outside of just seeing it posted somewhere, especially if it's easy to overlook and can be mistaken for a general notice and pushed out of mind as a result. There's no evidence that the purchaser acknowledged the arbitration notice, and purchasing the product should not count as enough evidence to say that they acknowledge something that they are not told directly.
If they made the terms available before purchase it is arguable that the act of purchasing is consent. It depends on the laws in your area and the way they presented information. A lot of apps have massive terms of service that you consent to by purchasing/downloading the app or they bloat it so badly that consumers just accept
Yes, and unfortunately, people are simply getting used to the idea that most large appliances (fridge, washer, dryer, dishwasher) are basically garbage and will last only a few years. Very, very sad.
Capitalism reward taking and deceiving, and many time crimes that are just a hair too small will be not delt with like police laugh you off if its not a big enough deal to them, like the schools violently abused me for years and its not a big deal to them I can just get over it on my own they think.
I see so many nice LG fridges with issues listed in market places. Mine has been running just fine but it definitely makes me glad we still have the old one just in case.
@@edwardramirez8589only in the USA where large corporations have weaseled their way into the pockets of government employees, corrupting them with business and profits over people policies
They can't hide behind an agreement not to sue since LG themselves violated their guarantee that the product would work for at least 10 years.. I think that's fraud
Just because a company says you can't sue, doesn't mean they are telling the truth.
See also: trucks with rocks on highways
"Can't sue"
Watch them. Anyone can sue for anything, whether they win or not is a different story.
@@blargblarg5657 Not Responsible for things im responsible for. Standard Waiver. :)
If you buy a product with an arbitration clause you have no legal recourse to sue. Until these arbitration clauses are ruled as unconstitutional by forcing you to sign away your rights it will go on.
Just assume if a company is making a statement that truth is the last priority, and the first is protecting the company.
If you can't sue, the next best thing is to spread the word and put them out of business. This goes for all companies...
@Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1No thanks, the day I become a believer is the day when genie jesus fixes my fridge when it breaks...
@Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1nar, sex drugs and rock n roll. Much more fun
@Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1 Hey. What a good idea. Then we can believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Go up your meds dude and get some mental help. You need it.
@Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1 We have real issues to address. Go LARP somewhere else.
@@marco12377😄
This video will cost LG way more in future sales than repairing the issue with a better and dependable version of the compressor.
theyll just change their name
My SAMSUNG is now 20 years and still working fine 🙏
Oh I have to mention this too, I bought the LG washing machine about three years ago, starting from first year the machine started malfunctioning until now and I have to live with it as long as my clothes clean 😅
Yes!!!
I for one won't buy LG ever again
I had an LG fridge and it broke as well. It was under “warranty”. They agreed to replace the compressor but not the labor! AND I was told that a new circuit board would also be needed to run the compressor and that would not be covered. The “certified” repair man quoted me $1800 to fix something under warranty. Needless to say I told them to piss off. And the arbitration on box?! BS! You don’t see the box in the store, and you don’t see the box in delivery. It’s opened on the truck or in the ground in front of the truck and then the box is taken away by the delivery. It’s never seen. And who reads an owners manual for a fridge? You hook it up, plug it in, wait till it gets cold, and insert food! How difficult can it be. Big companies are being permitted to get away with too much Sh*t this days. I say boycott LG appliances.
ALWAYS READ YOUR OWNERS MANUAL.
No matter what you buy. Only a fool doesn’t read them
@@lilkittygirl you can’t read an owners manual before you buy a product! So the issue about arbitration found in the owners manual is moot. And reading the owners manual in this case doesn’t stop the compressor going out prematurely and would not have prevented the problem we encountered, nor the issue we had with repair cost quotes. So take your “fool” comment somewhere else.
You’re an idiot if you don’t read the manual on an expensive complex machine
@lilkittygirl You can still legally sue them. Just like those stickers that claim the warrenty is void is removed, those have no weight and they still have to uphold their warrenty if removed so long as you didn't alter the device.
@@BrianIzzo-n7i you are a fool if you don’t read the manual for an expensive complex machine
Man I love finding out another company to never spend my money on.
And the list just gets bigger and bigger and the choices of who you can trust just get tinier and tinier. Corporations rule the world and our "leaders" have all sold out. Regulations and such are practically non existent now and what still exists are never enforced and if they are its a tiny penalty.
@@robodd4694 I wish I was born a bug or sumthn, this sucks
They don’t have to worry about me !No LG here ever!
Why would anyone buy LG refrigerator is beyond me. After one faulty 4k monitor and terrible customer service, I won’t touch anything that has a LG logo on it
Whirlpool is no better, starting with the icemaker. I was thinking of LG now no way. But I do have a frontloader washer. Arbitration would be OK if they did not give you the runaround but they do.
As a 7 year appliance repairman. That LG compressor is literally the only one I keep in stock on my truck at all time. For every 10 compressors I replace, 6 or 7 of them are LG compressors.
Did you just replace with a standard compressor and reprogram the logic board to accomodate that its not an inverter compressor any longer? That's what most fixes I've seen and had done on my lg fridge.
Literally first job of the day today, a bad LG compressor
@@polygaryd the new linear compressor from LG require a firmware update via a dongle. What I was told my a LG engineer was that firmware update adjusts the variable speed settings. It’s required to update all boards generally speaking. I don’t change compressor types. I know it’s possible but I’m a by the book guy and I put that part that is supposed to be in there back.
@@Torianx69 yeah the dongle programs the logic board. The standard compressor and logic board reprogram is supposedly the fix for this issue. Lg did cover it under a class action lawsuit years ago I thought too. At least thats how I got mine. Stupid fridge then developed a sealed system leak and I said f this fridge and sent it on its way. 2 years for a compressor and then a sealed system leak at 4 or 5 years old. I thought A fridge shouldnt give me this much trouble and hucked it out the door.
Why do 9 out of 10 appliance repair companies refuse to work on out of warranty lg or Samsung refrigerators?
LG: we tried to warn you our products are shit, it was on the box 🙄
So essentially LG is the good guy. They did their best to warn us but we refused to listen.
timestamp?
My Great grandpa's yellow fridge still freezing well
....it even has a mouse who built its home on the back panel
...but it still freezes really well
anyone wants the Brand and Model#???
*LG* stands for...
*Load* of *Garbage!!*
(I heard that about 15 years ago.... after my LG dehumidifier quit after only a couple of years.... looks like this slogan is the only thing still working at LG after all these years!)
Life's Good ig
Senior citizens here , husband with heart condition Going through this right now .. lost $900.00 worth of food . Living out of a cooler buying ice everyday. Multiple phone calls three repair technicians from LG .. replaced compressor, dryer , checked mother board .. they all said it’s fine .. still 68* and 69* . We finally after three weeks were sent a message from LG .. guess what a voucher for half of what we paid for it and we have to use it on another LG refrigerator! Ours is 4 years old , purchased an extra 5 year warranty. And yes 10 year warranty on it as stated in their manual. This is so disgraceful.. At this point I’m so upset I don’t even know where to turn.
I'm never buying LG appliances ever again. Hiding arbitration information is crazy.
You basically have to jump through hoops just to even get customer service regarding a new fridge at this rate.
Most co. do that.
I haven't bought any of their junk in ten years, LG has been garbage for a long time.
LG washer and dryer are one of most reliable. Their refrigerator sucks.
It's not a legal arbitration notice. A lawyer simply needs to point to the Samsung case where the judge ruled a piece of paper in a box does not prove somebody read and accepted the notice.
If their focus on customer satisfaction is paramount, then why are they still intentionally selling faulty units for so long after discovering the problem?
because that line is a load of horse crap they don't give a rats fart about any customers and never have hence the fact that they din't show them the box and only allow them to see the paper after the customer already bought the product they are a shady predatory amoral company driven by greed
$$$
Because they sell them to Californias that can’t tell if it’s the fridge or grids down again.
I don't think it's intentional. No company wants the backlash of social media discovery that their fridges go bad within a couple years. Likely the compressor build is sourced from another company who is cutting corners.
Sounds like the American Consumer needs to spread the word about LG Refrigerators and cancel them altogether.
The print on the box proves they knew the refrigerators were faulty.
Exactly right, what a crap company.
What box??? The delivery company usually removes that ahead of time.
Thats the hidden message. LG knows. LG is only trying to cover their asses not have customer satisfaction. Scumbag company, scumbag products.
It's just a way for LG to try and save money. Arbitration is cheaper and they are more likely to win as well. I'm not saying that they aren't aware but I assume the driver is to cut their costs on all their products. There is no mechanism to say that someone agreed to their requirement. I think it's insane these arbitration clauses are legal at all.
To think that LG believes that contractual wording on the delivery box is valid boggles the mind. Is the consumer supposed to sign the box upon delivery and send it back to LG?
I'm glad I bought a Whirlpool fridge. I was considering LG but the appliance store recommended Whirlpool over LG.
When a product has an arbitration clause on the box, taped to the wall, and in the owners manual, that's a good sign that the product is crap.
💯🏆
Unless I physically sign a contract to that effect on paper or online, there is no way putting something on the box and in a manual you can see only after purchase and opening it is a binding agreement.
Or is this part of some stupid agreement you have to sign because you need an account to use some dumb wifi feature?
Never get those kind of appliances. Get an extended warranty with the store if you really want to be safe at an extra cost.
@@zerospace101 they put in the agreement that by opening the box and using the product, you're agreeing to the agreement. It's underhanded and shady.
@@dark14life They can't put something like that on a box and reasonably expect that to be legally binding? Especially when you only see that after purchase.
It has to be a signature or an accept button on a website or something like that, not on a bloody box or manual.
Sounds like a massive lawsuit to me.
And the LG symbol wasn’t?
Congrats LG. I've been eyeing replacing my 24 year old frig. I was eyeballing your quad section Frig. You are 100% off the list.
Just so you know. I've had my fridge for a decade and it still runs like a new one 😂
They are all pretty much crap.
😂😂
Fridgidare gallery series.
@@vonier13 its just a laywer shakedown of a company and the media likes it. truth is a few thousand malfunctions on a total of tens of millions fridges is not bad at all. nothing wrong with LG products.
Just don't purchase LG products anymore and tell everyone else to stop buying LG stuff
Their phones are trash too. Bought a V2 brand new and it operated super slowly until it just died 8 months later
lol.emotions running wild. tens of millions LG fridges in the usa , a few thousand malfunctions is acually normal and not bad.
Never had issues with any of my LG appliances... Just saying or phones... Sucks they aren't made anymore phones were amazing for the price. But I also don't abuse, follow the manual and perform PMIs on my equipment... So you know... Follow the manual, you also have to have sufficient airflow around any fridge btw... The heat has to go somewhere, most people with fridge problems have them boxed into their cabinets...
No need because lg is the best.
Yes, LG fridge is the best at failing 😂 my mom and uncle both bought LG fridge at the same time and they bought failed very close to each other
I had a similar problem with a KitchenAid fridge. After months of calls and finally a letter asking for a refund or replacement I received a full refund from Whirlpool Canada. Kudos to them for doing the right thing.
A good question for LG would be: "Did you only begin putting arbitration notices on the box and fridge AFTER you knew there was a probem with the compressors?"
Oh 1000%
You can't force somebody into an arbitration clause after purchase lmao
I can't sell you a product THEN tell you "oh by the way you're not entitled to your legal protection anymore because I decided after the fact"
...... He means for new customers. @@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916
I can fix my LG product. Hmm, seems to be fixed. I did not and will not buy LG again. I do have their brand on my TV. Won't buy them again after seeing how they are treating people.
How sorry your product must be if you're printing an arbitration notice on the box.
Did you actually watch this video? They mentioned two more locations, and one of them is in the manual. However, the entire video seems to be fixated on the box as a cherry picking news making, and "simple" viewers are concerned that the focus is the box.
@@razzraziel Both of those locations are only accessible / visible AFTER you purchase the fridge.
@@razzraziel the reasoning was explained in the video, I suppose some "simple" viewers may have missed that part or not understood the explanations and examples of other cases like this they talked about.
The arbitration notice needs to be provided to the consumer at the time of purchase. Putting it on the box, taped inside of the fridge, and placing it inside the owners manual is insufficient notice. When you buy an appliance at The Home Depot they do not take it back or return it. You are stuck with it.
s korean companies
I had literally bought an LG. The delivery guys arrived and left without even calling me. I just got a message saying they couldn't deliver. After many phone calls complaining, it was rescheduled for 2 weeks later. In that time, I came across the original video about this problem. Looked into it more and then got a refund before they delivered. I got a Bosch instead. Thank you guys for saving me a lot of hassle.
This type of shabby fraud is too common. Ashley Furniture is terrible for defective products, and a nightmare if you refuse delivery (Edit, Glad you caught on before you were stuck with it)
Congrats
SAVED!!!!
I have 1 Japanese made fridge for almost 20 years already without any problems.
I work on TONS of Bosch.
Made in China like every thing else.
People think Bosch is something else. In my honest opinion, being in the appliance repair industry, Bosch pays for their reviews.
we almost bought an LG fridge today but then i remembered this video. did a quick search and found this video again. now i know why the LG fridge is so cheap right now. BIG NOPE
Grandpas fridge: running for 50 years
your new fridge: broken
A USA Gibson or Frigidaire no doubt.
A lot of the issues are caused by energy saving features.
I bought one of those old ones for $50 at a garage sale as an overflow. Over the previous 12 or so years, the old one has saved my food from rotting in a newer but dead fridge.
They made the fridges less life so you can buy another one when it runs out, and the process repeats
My fridge made in 1923 is still working for over 101 years now. It's working for 4 generations. th-cam.com/video/A3jCds5viNc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=k_TWg6YAKFFvTy6a&t=10 Elektrolux L15
You can 't force arbitration by making a notice, it must be signed with informed consent in most states implicitly to prevent companies (like LG) from abusing it.
Also, you can't just put anything in an agreement and just expect it to hold up in court.
Unless it says, by purchasing this product you agree to these terms and conditions.
Forced arbitration clauses should be illegal. You should not be able to waive your right to a trial
@@Mikey-ym6ok For that to work you'd have to sign off on that agreement, at the very least have access to it, prior to purchasing. Arbitration notices on boxes, inside fridges and owners manuals don't provide a mechanism for consent.
A lot of employers also make you sign an arbitration agreement when you accept a job offer to keep you from suing them when they rip you off on your wages. Every company that I accepted a job offer from that tried to force me into an arbitration agreement I declined right on the spot! If they're pulling that BS on you, then they're gonna try and rip you off somehow!
We need the courts to tell companies they can't sell garbage to people. Kinda sad.
Instead, they are using evey last resource to "Get Trump"
E🚙V Manufacturers:" umm Hold our 🍻beers...,
Arbitration should be illegal. Period.
I guess I got lucky, I bought a home in 2009 and filled it with LG appliances, refrigerator, stove, microwave, washer and dryer. All of them are still running strong today. This will give me at the very least, a moment of pause on future purchases though.
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative This has all started to happen at once in the last few years. Samsung started it about 2010 with cheap parts then the others saw Samsung get away with shoddy goods and followed a few years later.
LG washers and dryer combo unit failed 3x in less than 2 years of ownership.Their reliability issue is not just refrigerators but dryers and washers too.
I love how corporates don’t say they are innocent and instead they say you don’t have the right to sue them.
It's the Trump defense.
@@ugaladh 😂😂😂😂
@@ugaladh Hardly and why even go there. Yurboy is is the one with the reking balI
@@avarysse5782 Isn't Trump vigorously claiming that he's immune from prosecution for the crimes he (allegedly) committed while in office?
kinda like fyzer💉
When you complain about low quality problems, people used to say “you get what you pay for”. But now you can pay out the nose for a stainless steel three door fridge and still get a piece of shit.
Yep, companies over the past few decades figured out that people will pay a bunch of money even for dogshit due to brand naming and advertising
Made in the same factory as the cheap ones, just uses fancier finishes ;)
4 door
The stainless steel is expensive. Get a regular painted fridge and pay for what matters
@@1979Spica You're still blaming this on the consumer?
Why are attorney generals not prohibiting these clauses from being legal? Or politicians? I think I answered my own question
You can't contract out of your obligations in most jurisdictions
It's "attorneys general", not "attorney generals".
And just because a clause is written into a contract, doesn't mean it's legal. You can't waive your liabilities/obligations like that. A company could hide "we reserve the right to take all your money" in the middle of a contract, and even if you sign it, it doesn't mean they can actually do it. That clause would obviously be voided, and in some cases it could void the entire contract.
Because they have to run for office and solicit donations from the executives from those very same companies in order to get their office.
Federal case law strongly favors corporations when it comes to notifications of this nature. I'm not going to suggest that printing it on a box that the consumer is unlikely to ever see will pass muster, but, sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if it does. You may have tighter laws in your state, but at the federal level, using a product after notification implies consent, and the notification process only needs to be "reasonable." Companies don't have to prove that any specific consumer was aware of the terms and conditions. They only need to show that they should have been. Most companies put their terms on a sheet of paper inside the package such that a consumer must purchase and open the product before they can see the terms of use and the courts have said that's fine. For many products printing those terms on the outside of the box would be an improvement - just not for kitchen appliances in the US market.
LG's method of notification notwithstanding, requiring binding arbitration for consumer product disputes isn't inherently unreasonable. Most states prefer that to clogging up the court system with thousands of petty cases. Most states allow companies to require arbitration in lieu of civil tort, and most companies take advantage of it. LG is the norm in that regard, not an exception. It can be better for the consumer too, since the costs are lower. Realistically, few people will sue LG over a $2000 refrigerator because the legal fees will far exceed the damages you can expect to recover. While we often hear about losers being forced to pay the winner's legal fees, that's actually pretty rare, and judges usually only do that when the loser's behavior is so egregious that it never should have gone to court to begin with. Arbitration costs CAN BE quite modest if you win since the loser customarily pays the arbitration costs. It's also far more reasonable to go to arbitration without a lawyer since arbitration doesn't usually involve all the procedural hurdles that courts require.
Hyundai cars catching fire, KIA cars stolen, LG fridge not working, samsung washers exploding.
what they all got in common????
How about the retailers that are willing to sell you an LG knowing about this?
LG must have real confidence in its products to put the arbitration notice on the box
Lol amen. "keep this in mind if you're pondering suing us."
So I can decide nobody can sue me? I didn't know that was an option.
I'm wearing my "can't sue me" shirt all the time.
@@JonasWilmsmake sure it says "by reading this shirt you have agreed not to sue" lol
Yes that's why some places make you sign something before you go into them. Haunted houses are known for this because of accidents. You can still try I guess you could call a bluff if they didn't actually legally go through the arbitration process
@@GerryRRLOL! I love that!!
@@sabre5807that’s a waiver, this is an arbitration agreement
Remember the days when an appliance would last for decades with no repairs ?
Those days are long gone.
I've been repairing appliances for decades, they were more reliable, but there was never appliances that lasted decades with no maintenance/repairs lol.
We’ll never buy Samsung again. We’re on the 3rd one and now see… it’s the brand.
Also, 2 washers through them. It’s a JUNK brand.
Remember when they were actually built in América with American quality? Yea those days are long gone. Companies like kenmore, craftsman all sold out to the chinese.
@@djfrankymix Try Sub-Zero.
They exist, but they are expensive.
The owner's manual isn't available to customers until they buy and actually own the product. The box isn't available either until you've already bought it. The arbitrary notice isn't listed in their commercials, advertisements or at the stores. Most stores only have a generic unit out for display, and they remove any plastic bags containing parts, screws, owner's manuals, pamphlets ect before putting them on the floor. Imagine you bought a new car, and once delivered, inside a compartment in the trunk was a small booklet that says "Our brakes go bad in a month. You agree to arbitration." LG trying to skirt the law. Consumers have to be warned upfront, at the time of purchase. Sounds like a slam dunk lawsuit to me.
Meanwhile, Grandma has an ugly green fridge in the basement from the 70s that still works perfectly with all original parts.
Of course it does. It will run forever.
Got married in '88 we bought a basic no frills Amana fridge. Still running out in the garage 36 yrs later, not a moment of down time.
My Dad has one in his garage😂 The inside is sea foam green. Great fridge. Looks brand new still and runs perfectly.
Thats why the company went out of business. If it doesnt break you dont continue revenue 😢
make sure you inherit that fridge as it will last you
Will NEVER Buy another LG product! What a POS company!
Door fell off our stainless steel LG fridge/ freezer & hit my daughter in the head, narrowly missed her 2yr old son standing next to her … after a total of 40 emails, yes that’s 40 emails to LG they blamed us for their “faulty” fridge door hinge… all we did was open the freakin’ fridge door! … wld never have another LG appliance in our home … from CHILLED OUT … Sydney, “Down Under” Australia 🇦🇺
My dad had a LG tv a fee years back. After a couple years of owning it the tv updated and took away the tv’s smart tv capabilities. POS company is an understatement. In my line of work I have a ton of people always asking about appliances and I always say 1 thing. Stay away from LG.
That has no effect when all companies are doing it now due to the complete lack of corporate regulation (i.e. accountability) in the USA today...
Good luck with that. They and Samsung make nearly every panel used on modern TV’s and monitors.
The washers are good. Their fridge line up is bad
LG just wants to sell you a $2K+ disposable refrigerator. 🤔
LG feels ENTITLED to $2000 every year from every consoomer
The backlash isn't worth it.
@@kalef1234i mean they want that subscription money, otherwise how will the hit new record profits every other month…
Samsung also
@@MLTAKOS ?? Subscription money??? what does that mean pls.?
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD STEP IN AND STOP THIS NONSENSE!
NO!!! The less the government is involved in anything, the better we all are.
@@TK-xw5db th-cam.com/video/IbWapF-8xZI/w-d-xo.html
The government don't give a shit about this companies fraudulent corrupt business practices, Hell they do the same damn thing
@@TK-xw5db No, things will be better when the government focuses on taking care of shit going on in it's own backyard instead of meddling in the affairs of other countries so corporations can sell their crap all over the world and rip everyone off. A government entity invalidated the arbitration agreement that was inside the Samsung phone box and it would be good if it strikes down the one that is deceptively placed vs right where the buyer can see it immediately. Most people never see the box because the ones delivering the unit take the unit out of the box before bringing it into the home.
Out-boxed by a box. Prior knowledge of a defective product creates an act of fraud.
Absolutely.
My LG’s compressor died 6 months outside the warranty. $950 for the parts, $1k for labor. The fridge was $2k. The sad part is, my grandparents died with the same refrigerator that my dad grew up with
Why wouldn’t you just buy a new fridge rather than repair it for the same price as a new one. New fridge new brand
So why did you not buy a new fridge? I had a similar issue with LG. I was told by people any repair to the LG would be costly and would take considerable time. I went out and got a different brand. Paying $2K to repair a $2K fridge when you can get a new one for the same amount seems a fool's errand.
That’s BS, LG sells flat rate for $350.00 and that includes compressor , filter drier and labor!
@@jerrylundegaard2592
If you call LG , they will sell you flat rate. For fridge is $350.00 and that covers compressor and labor!
How much did that fridge cost when your grandparents bought it? Adjusted for inflation, what would that fridge cost now?
Wait...
So if a company writes on a BOX that you can't sue them, then you can't???
A) sounds sleazy
B) that company needs to get boycotted yesterday
Done. And I'm sending LG nasty letters calling them on their dishonesty. I'll never buy another product from LG no matter what it is.
Every company does the same thing. People are mad at LG because they are offering a warranty. The other companies just don't offer warranties.
Just quit playing directly to LG for their products. It's that simple. If you don't like a product of service, dummy pay for it.
@@Jimster481 huh? I can't find a new fridge that doesn't come with a warranty. People are mad at LG because they're paying $1500 for a fridge that fails in 2 years at rates far higher than other brands.
@@Jimster481 LG also doesn't support their warranties with their TVs as well. Had one go under warranty, LG admitted it was on them, then started a year plus drama with multiple service companies that LG passed the buck off on - until finally I just gave up and tossed the TV. All the time LG could have just replaced my TV which just had a single component go bad - it's similar to the runaround people get with refunds; drag it out so long people just give up. LG can go to ....
My $2000. Fridge. Died. Replaced 1 compressor at $400 and lasted 1.5 years. I took it to the dump. Talked to local appliance repair guys, they said lg makes junk compressors and bought what they advised.
I install appliances for a living and one of the main refrigerators I replace are LGs and the customers always go into long rants about how much they hated it. The company I work for refuses to sell LG for this very reason.
One of the largest appliance sellers in my area is also done with LGs. They don't want to sell them nor do they want to deal with their terrible warranty and service department.
Sad part we have one build by the same bunch. Different name and piece of junk also. We were at Best Buy just looking . Opened the door on a LG, salesman told the wife and I. Please don't buy that junk. When we told him we had so an so brand. That's when he told is its the same fridge. Ours dumps water everywhere on defrost mode.
@@Pete-from-Tnwhat's the other brand beside LG
@@Pete-from-Tn almost all brands have their appliances manufactured by Midea these days
Bit unrelated but I got an LG at a big chain store (I won’t mention the name) right before Christmas and purchased an LG 65 inch television. It was for an extremely low price because of the sale. Anyway the sales associate seemed to try to talk me out of the LG, to my surprise. And really pushed for the warranty, saying that “this was a Christmas sale model” 😂 okay buddy. But yeah maybe he has a lot of returns of LG products in general. I have always like LG products myself and the TV has been good. Only complaint is when there is a black screen displayed you see some areas have blotches of grey. Like large patches on one side of the screen and they are large like the size of your hand. But that’s only on black screens. So as soon as it is actually displaying anything it looks great and you can’t see any of that.
My LG linear compressor fridge died after about 5 years of use, I called repair contractor, they did some tests and said the compressor was dead, repair cost was about $1k. The repair crew also mentioned that LG fridges with linear compressors have one of the highest failure rates, if not the highest, based on their experience.
I made a point to never buy LG fridges again after that.
I bought a Kitchenaid from Sears back in 2007, it's still running. But a long time ago things used to last, even those old fridges (60s, 80s) that were created to last, but now they build them cheap and build them to break not long after a warranty expires. And we aren't even talking about cheap Chinese junk. I try to stick with Japanese made stuff if at all possible.
My 34 year old GE fridge works just fine
I own all maytag, all have worked amazing now for 10 years. One thing went out on my fridge but it was super easy to fix myself and was only a $15 part
Same here. They came out about 4 times and then said it’s not coming back to life. It’s dead and they gave me all my money back except the $99 first call out fee. I felt ripped off from Seats and LG. They know what they are doing is robbery.
No 10 year compressor warranty?
Fun fact, you can still sue even if you sign a paper saying you can’t.
True. Companies do this all the time, but at the end of the day, you can't agree to something that is illegal in the first place.
Same thing applies to “warranty void” stickers. It’s illegal to void a warranty over those.
Boycotting LG seems to be the way to go.
An Arbitration notice on the box tells us that it knows there's a problem already.
I think most companies try to force arbitration on their customers, they all try to avoid being sued in court.
It gets shadier because LG often fixes these issues in South Korea under warranty. I'm from Korea and I would pick Speedqueen over LG 100% of the time.
They all do this. It's very common practice.
Not really. Most companies do it. I guess its just a shitty loophole in a law that supposed to give them advantage in cases like this one.
How about fix the crappy components and make a quality item 🤷
The fact that they are spending money on fighting legal instead of sending new fridges out or extending warranties is telling of how large the situation is
McDonald's spent tens of millions of dollars fighting that old woman who was hospitalized with burns from their coffee rather then just paying her 30k in hospital bills.
Corporation sucks
@@WizeGuyz2023 they fought her because she immediately went to sue for pain and suffering, for her it wasn't just about medical bills.
@@tigermike74 She sued because they wouldn't cover her medical bills and knowingly sold a product that was way too hot.
They had been warned prior by other customers that their coffee was being sold at a temperature that would cause burns.
If you knew how many whole home Dehumidifiers are running that LG compressor they sold so many to HVAC OEMs
@@tigermike74 You have clearly never actually read the real story. The woman suffered second and third degree burns to her crotch. The coffee was literally 175-190 degrees Fahrenheit, otherwise known as just shy of boiling temperature. The folds of her labia were literally burned and fused together. She wanted her medical expenses, Mcdonalds tried to fight it. She was initially awarded millions in punitive damages that she didn't want because the jury rightfully saw how messed up she was, and it was shown in court that serving the coffee to customers at such a dangerous temperature was common routine. It was later appealed and the amount was lessened.
You were so close to having the right take, but you clearly have no clue how bad the actual details of that case are. People like you are why PR firms rake in billions of dollars a year, because it clearly works.
There is a video online of someone cutting open a compressor to find out what fails. Instead of using metal valves, the industry standard, the compressor has a rubber coated valve. At high temperature and in oil, the valve disintegrates coating all the components on the inside with rubber, until the refrigerant dryer filter clogs and the valve fails, much like the old water valves that used rubber washers. Replacing the compressor with another of the same is not a fix, but a replacement component leading to an early failure. The answer to the problem is to replace the compressor with parts from another manufacture. Don't ask for a repair with OEM factory parts. Ask for a reliable alternative compressor to be used instead. Yes this might not be covered under the manufacture's warranty, but if the fridge is out of warranty, and you like the fridge other than the compressor issue, use a 3rd party refrigeration company for recommendations. This may be less expensive than buying yet another new fridge.
That famous Korean engineering. Gotta love it.
This👆....when the repair company said they ran out of lg compressors i asked if he can add one from another company that would work till they arrive. He added one and the fridge worked much better than when we initially purchased it. Lg is literal trash
It's by request. They want things to fail, otherwise you won't need them anymore. The days of "affordable" products like fridges that last 15 years+ are about over. Same with car part failures. They're now designed to fail, so you need to come back and repair or buy new. It's a scam.
@@ian_ford referred to as planned obsolescence.. it started in the early 1970s.
@@planetfabulous5833 some people may feel this comment is discriminatory against Korean companies.
But let's not forget about Samsung Galaxy Note 7 exploding cellphone, the current Kia Boyz stealing poorly secured Kia cars, this LG fridge issue.
Also makes one genuinely reconsider buying a Hyundai or Genesis too.
Our long-time premium appliance dealer warned us that we should expect major appliances to last No more than 4 or 5 years😢 and to expect a repair or two along the way. Kinda reminds me of the Kenmore oven that "melts" the expensive computer controls if you use the Self Clean feature.
Meanwhile my 1960s GM Frigidaire that I got from my grandparents house is still cold enough to reverse global warming.
my 1952 Frigidaire is still humming along with only 2 repairs in its whole life... and only one was related to the refrigeration part. Just a bum capacitor when it was almost 50 years old.
😂 omg this comment had me rollingg
@@1987Flaka BTW, our local Grange Hall has a "Monitor Top" (small commercial @ 18 cu ft) from the mid 30s that survived a flood in the mid 50s because the compressor was on top. It was still in use last I looked 2 years ago. A friend has the smaller version (7 cu ft) from about 1934 and it's still keeping his beer cold. Neither one has a full freezer, just an ice tray area.
And it Also costs you a fortune in electricity to run, you can probably buy multiple LG's for the wasted energy.
@@JaapVanderHorst You might be amazed at how thrifty these old things are. I have measured a few just for that very reason and I found those vintage units to run less than half the monthly Kw and, in some cases, almost 25% of power draw. Bottom line is no fans, no defrost cycle, which also means no dust accumulation on the outside coil to diminish efficiency. As long as the door latch and door gasket are decent you can relax. The flip side is you will need to do a manual defrost every few months.
So many companies like this need to be put out of business.
So basically, DON'T EVER BUY LG REFRIGERATORS.
Or anyone carrying their parts
Don't buy qny of their products. Period!!!
Their split system air conditioners are also crap.
@@woox200sx100%!!! But on a side note… a friend just got a new LG air conditioner and in +40c heat, it ticks along soo quietly on the outdoor unit, it’s like it’s not even trying!! You could literally sleep beside the outdoor unit, fan barely blowing and the compressor just seems like it’s barely running. (7kw covering about 60 square metres)
…but it’s an LG after all, so I’m interested to see if they’ve genuinely improved!?
LG, Samsung are ok for electronics… terrible for mechanical. That’s my motto.
Nothing from LG
My LG just died yesterday. I am trying the DIY tips (clean coils, “reboot”, turn down temp) but something is shot. It IS barely six years old and it is sad that I am considered lucky to have got that much. My last fridge was over 20 years old and we only got rid of it due to remodeling. The one before that (came with house) was probably 40 years old. Newer isn’t always better.
As a refrigerator salesman, and someone who works with the refrigerator delivery people a lot, they actually unbox the fridges in a warehouse and ship them without the box, they don’t even unbox it in the home, so if the consumer gets the fridge delivered (most people do) they have absolutely no way of ever seeing the box at all
That seems the opposite of my experience. Only floor models seemed to come unboxed. New ones were delivered boxed and opened at the home, to protect them in the truck. I have had to turn away an appliance before that was damaged, supposedly in the truck on the way over to my home.
@@Shadow_Banned_ConservativeI work delivery for an appliance retailer. We unbox in the warehouse so we can inspect for shipping damages and replace it with good inventory if need be. Some companies prefer to deliver in the box because it's easier to transport and at least a little less likely to take incidental cosmetic damage. Unboxing in the field sucks though. A mountain of trash that has to be transported for your entire route, longer time at each stop, no way to fix it if you do find problems.
@@Shadow_Banned_ConservativeI delivered refrigerators and we unbox them at warehouse to make sure they aren’t damaged.
Company I work for delivers with the product unopened and opens it at the truck at the street for inspection.
😂😂 this statement is completely untrue, and if it IS what you are used to, then you are used to doing it wrong.
I legitimately cannot fathom this. I am 29, and my refrigerator is older than me, with no signs of giving up the ghost. For 2 to die within 5 years is insane.
Arbitration mandates should be illegal because companies abuse them.
My old fridge finally bit the dust, and I'm having a hard time picking out a new one. It's not just LG, though they seem to be the worst followed by Samsung, but none of them are made to last unless you want to spend a lot of money.
@@orome9793 Panasonic is a solid choice, Daewoo, Whirlpool and G.E. are good as well.
You may be killing your electric bill. When I replaced a 30-yo (remember Harvest Gold?) fridge my bill dropped by $15/month.
My grandmothers old "automatic" wringer type washing machine still runs and washes clothes, and it's older than me (i'm 60 this year). Just don't get a finger stuck in them rollers. They just don't build things to last anymore. Fridges, washers, stoves blowing their glass doors into their owners etc. Everything is made cheap and crappy, but you pay as if you were buying something that would last 60+ years... and end with something you're lucky if you get 2 years out of.
I always ask companies to drop their arbitration agreements if they want my business.
I had an LG refrigerator compressor go out. I called and they gave me phone numbers to LG repairmen in my area. Not one of them would come out. They all said that they would not work on an LG refrigerator because the replacement compressors were crap. I'd love to get in on this lawsuit!
I had exactly the same thing happen. We threw it away after 4 years and bought a Kitchenaide.
Exact same thing happened to me.
The repair techs hate it because the compressors fall again and again and the owner thinks the tech didn't do their jobs right.
It's totally criminal.
Same here. My compressor went out and repairman said get another fridge 😢
@@carwai it's cheaper just to buy a walk in freezer cooler combo
Omg same here. I need in on this law suit
You dont see the box when your shopping for a fridge....you see it AFTER the purchase.
Refrigerators and freezers today are the worst! My wife and I have a Montgomery Wards freezer that my parents had when I was a kid, it is over 40 years old and going strong. Please bring back the good old days.
The problem with older more durable appliances is that they required more maintenance and upkeep from the owner. Older fridges lasted longer, but you had to de-ice the freezer and there were warm spots in the fridge that as the owner youd eventually learn and avoid. Newer fridges are fighting these problems but working backwards on others at the same time.
I see that a lot of comments involve how good appliances used to be. Here's the difference: all my 60's, 70's, even some 80's appliances were made in the USA by American labor standards, and made to last. No fancy gimmicks, just sturdy, boring appliances without the bells and whistles now that are guaranteed to fail. We live in a disposable world; it's so distressing.
I never had to de-ice our 70" s copper tone Sears fridge. You may be thinking of 1950's and 60's models.
I have a fridge/freezer combo and a standing shelf freezer that was left with our house we bought 2 years ago. The models are nearing 30 years old. I knew I hit the jackpot when they left them with the house. They were filthy, disgusting. The standing freezer needed to be defrosted and bleached badly. But we cleaned them up and I'm so thankful to have some old appliances along with our new ones. The fridge is inside my shop and keeps everything ice cold on the economy temp setting. I have avacados that have lasted a month in my shop fridge. Cabbage, oranges, cheese, milk. I had a milk last 10 days past expiration. They're old Kenmores btw.
whats worse? my dishwasher says she can't wash the dishes anymore!
Stop buying LG products.
Never buy LG or Samsung appliances!
Tv's are rad
What a surprise, Asian products
My compressor died on my LG 2 months ago. Cost me $400 for a new one. Repair guy told me LG made the worst fridge on the market. I hope LG gets taken to court over this fraud
Wow I had no idea LG had turned into a company that sells corrupted faulty products. This will have a huge knock on effect ‼️
Yea I’ve never had a problem but now I would be hesitant! Especially if they are not going to work with folks.
I have an LG Android phone that I'm about to replace. Let's just say I noticed that LG products, regardless of what they are, are prone to misbehavior. I've experienced LG TV's in hotel rooms. Some of them don't turn on with remote control. Or change channels.
@MisterMikeTexas I got rid of my LG phone years ago. I literally went outside after getting my new Samsung phone and smashed my LG Phone on the ground. Never again! Samsung across the board from now on.
@@societynewsnetwork5973 DON`T buy a samsuck refrigerator! We have been stuck with a French door model and the ice maker froze up every few weeks. Home Depot replaced it 4 times under the extended warranty we bought and we replaced it once before giving up and turning the ice maker off. Thousands of people on a facebook group with the same problem!
Many parts of many companies are produced on cheap labor and with very generous quality standards.
Most parts have to be released with a formal deviation to be shipped and used on the assembly lines of these companies.
The completed product in this case, the fridge is not 100% inspected because the received parts "were verified" before shipping.
Every company is like this, big numbers produced and shipped and no time to make sure everything is everything is right, because is a "competition"
When I need a new fridge it won’t be an LG
Why not? They have a 20 year lifespan! (don't ask why they only warranty it for 10 years of that, then stick legal jargon all over the packaging)
Stay away from their washing machines as well. I do have an old LG TV that still works but no moving parts in tvs.
Their washers are very well built contrary to popular belief.
@@Ikey04-ge9gy I can't tell if what you said was an epic self own or an epic troll.😁 I'll give you the epic troll.
Samsung is no good either. Or GE. Nothing is built to last cause it doesn’t make financial sense for the companies. They still profit even with negative publicity and repairs. It’s baked into their projections.
Hmm, sounds like my next household appliance is not an LG.
LG is fine, just don’t get a refrigerator from them unless you choose to boycott the entire company. Each company has their niche products. You’d be better off researching before you buy big appliances. For me, my downfall was not researching because my house was being built and it needed furnishing; was tired of researching everything.
Also no to Samsung for kitchen appliances. Tv is fine.
Buy German Bosch they actually make good stuff
@@Avacado721No to Samsung washers and dryers too.
@@williambills3260Especially their dishwashers.
The EU has proper laws for warranties, im taking a wild guess that their landfills are much less populated than the US
I remember when I was a kid we had a Frigidaire that lasted 20-years, or more.
Absolutely, my fridge lasted over 30+ years without any issues
not anymore they are terrible too now.
My parents moved to Puerto Rico in 1974 and took their 10 year old Frigidaire with them, that thing lasted another 14 years.
I still have (and use) a Westinghouse refrigerator that my dad bought in 1947. Never serviced -- works perfectly.
These new ones save the planet tho!
LOL you can't just put an arbitration notice on a box. If the law worked like that I could drive to LG and put a box on their front desk that says "I own this building now."
Lowes doesn't even bring the box into your house
Smartest comment of the day
I did. I have two buildings now...wish me luck on my third. ;-)
My grandma and grandpa bought a fridge when they got married and the damn thing is still working like a champ. It's older than me, a bit rusty and yellowish but it never disappoints.
And so are you I imagine...a bit rusty and yellow...😂😂 I know I am
@@mwfmtnman No, I just refuse to buy garbage.
The only thing that usually fails on the old refrigerators is the door seal. Most of the ones that you see in your local town dump are still functional but have bad door seals
@@kennethhigdon1159 yup Mons fridge the seal is is broken she wants a new fridge. I bought a 3rd party seal on Amazon for $30 and is running for fine for over a decade after I put the new seal in.
@@91darko a joke buddy
Same happened to me. It took them a month to get a repairman. I had to buy a mini fridge and lost $400 worth of food. When they finally fixed it, only bc a year later the compressor died again. I made sure they left the original compressor along with the box.
I will never, and I repeat never, buy ANYTHING LG ever again.
If this happened in Korea, LG would be offering apologies, bows and a new refrigerator.
You are exactly correct, I can say that having lived there. They could care less about us problems if they happen here. If it was in Korea the issue would get fixed.
Actually no
I'm Korean and LG is a shit company here as well.
@@anonfilly7335 This is the best response about the company. I hope people all around the world will stop buying their products and bankrupt them. Disclaimer. I don't own an lg fridge and I will never buy one because of the way lg is cheating people.
@Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1 Christianity is not an American religion.
If this happens in Korea, LG wins. You have no clue about the Korea customer protection law.
Korean companies need to learn that they cannot behave like a scammer in this country. LG will be paying many millions of dollars once the US consumers sue hell out of LG.
LG has a pretty good reputation that has been needlessly tarnished. I wonder why LG chose to spend money on designing, printing, and placing arbitration notices on and with its refrigerators instead of just making a quality product?
The fact that companies feel the need to include these notices on their products is a red flag- but sounds like it's getting commonplace.
Yes to this! I just bought a new LG TV, based on their reputation. Now, I'm second guessing that decision.
Because ink is cheap.
@@tomrogers9467 Class-action lawsuits are not. Neither is the hit that their reputation would take. This situation could cost LG a fortune in the long run.
@@TeamPaul17you’ll be ok… LG and Samsung are terrible at mechanical products like washers, fridges, dryers, washers etc.
As a new grad with my first home, I’ll never buy an LG product ever. I will avoid them like the plague just for this.
Companies' responses for the press:
Before: We have not been notified.
During: We do not comment ongoing litigation.
After: We do not comment court decisions.
“We love our costumers and make the best product, we would never lie”
We bought an LG refrigerator with the double doors on top and the freezer drawer below because my husband had severe spinal issues that made bending down very painful. When the compressor went out it was no longer under warranty. We had a reputable repairman come to fix it. Instead he said that they would not install a replacement compressor because the LG refrigerator compressor would just go out again. They saved me from a fruitless repair bill and I thank them for their honesty.
Why couldn’t the replacement compressor be a different brand?
@@KingKongbabe "New" appliances are so interwired with their electronic brains that the parts are very specific. You have to literally gut an appliance and redo it to change a brand named part.
@@maggiesatterfield2402 wow! Something simple & they they go and make it complicated. Just like they did with automobiles. Thanks
Same here. We junked ours instead of repairing it a second time (!) and bought a GE. So far, so good, but I don't like the fridge as much. I will never, ever give LG another dime.
@@KingKongbabe That can be done, but it requires major modifications and is not cost effective. There is a TH-cam video where a guy did it. No normal repairman running a business ever would.
Irrelevant to the outcome of this case their reputation is ruined. Their sales should drop like a stone.
Simple LG. We need to hear that you have resolved the issue. Or we use media to send you the same way as budweiser. In a yeat or two, we will be asking what was LG???
I was told by a salesperson at an an appliance store NOT to buy an LG
Honestly, I can say that most of the issues with LG are related to the linear compressor. It's not to say that there were other appliances are all 100% perfect, but I have great luck with them. I also have good luck with some of the American made whirlpool kitchen products, but my parents had horrible luck with American made whirlpool high-end washer dryer which had mostly parts from China that failed in 3 years or less.
Thankfully, they sell extended warranties for other brands, but if you don't buy them, you are SOL because LG and Samsung are the only brands providing any real warranties. With LG being consistently the only company to provide 10-year warranties on most of its appliances, where most companies are providing 1-year warranties.
I was actually astonished when I went to purchase a new fridge because I wanted to buy an American made whirlpool fridge to go with the rest of my whirlpool appliances. However, the whirlpool fridge was using an old school style compressor that uses 900 watts and the entire fridge had only a one year warranty despite being more expensive than LG, which was very efficient.
LG had good reviews for its washers and dryers but I ultimately decided to go with someone else
@@SayAhh the reviews can be within 1 yr which is why they are good. Ita after 2 or 3yrs where you start to see the problems thus once you leave the review you can edit it. Amazon and I think think ebay can edit reviews.
Same!
Part of the problem is that the linear compressors were used in fridges not branded LG. My Kenmore did this.
Our Kenmore (made by LG) refrigerator stopped working after an electrical outage. I found out this can be caused by a bad motherboard. I removed the motherboard and read online that most techs just replace the board to the tune of $300 or $400. What I discovered was that there is a soldered in fuse which is then not easily consumer replaceable. It's the same style and amperage as a common microwave fuse, which I had several of. I also happened to have a fuse holder of the appropriate size. So on a Sunday afternoon I carefully desoldered the factory fuse and soldered on the holder and installed a new fuse. This is a $900 refrigerator and I wonder how many end up in the land fill because people don't want to spend $400 to fix a used $900 appliance...when all it really needs is a $1 fuse? The fuse did it's job protecting the appliance, but really should be consumer replaceable.
Same with Samsung, or any other out there. We don't deserve this planet.
P.S. absolutely everything you return to big stores, Walmart, Best Buy etc... they end up at recycling, no matter even if you didn't even took it out of the box... ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING goes to recycling, I know because I work for a recycling company.
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Why would they solder a fuse instead of spending a couple pennies on a holder/fitting to make them easily serviceable? Or is that normal for these kinds of fuses? Also to then not make the existence of said fuse readily apparent to repair folks.
Problem is that it cost hundreds just to have a service guy show up, and most folks can't do it themselves. So if the part is one dollar or 300, it is often more economical to scrap the fridge and get another. But it sure is insane.
@@sigilbaram It normal to make things not customer serviceable. Most electronic devices are a pain to service. Making sacrificial parts not replaceable or removing them entirely from the design is part of the trend.
Why would they put a “Don’t Sue” notice in the first place, seems sketchy.
Just cross it out with a heavy duty marker and write "I do not consent." and initial it like it's a normal contract then go to court and show it to the judge when LG says you can't sue. 😂
Maybe we should add don't buy stickers but I bet LG would not like that
That's all the stupid California Prop 65 warning is - a don't sue us label. Everything has that dumb label, and 95% of things that have that label don't actually pose any danger. They're just putting the sticker on so they can avoid expensive testing that proves it doesn't. Now, their asses are covered when Karen from Palo Alto decides she wants a quick payday
Ive just researched refrigerators for the past 3 weeks. I bought one yesterday. I told the salesman that im only interrested in GE an Frigidaire. I bought a garage ready Frigidaire. Good reviews
I was getting ready to buy an LG fridge. Not anymore thanks to this video. Thank you
Same.
don't buy a Samsung either
The new LG fridges have an updated compressor design and use the newer refrigerant so *should* be more reliable. That said, do you really want to deal with this company if something does go wrong?
@@trevordoeshalloween5994Samsung fridge is easy to fix you just have add heat element but avoid the ice maker for all fridges
YOU SAVED UR SELF A HEADACHE ITS LIKE BUYING A NISSAN AND THEN GETTING A BAD TRANSMISSIONS@@StaceyRows
LG: Our focus on customer satisfaction is... on the box.
😂😂😂
My parents bought a new General Electric refrigerator in 1958. It lasted well into the 80s before they finally got rid of it. Today, you’re lucky a refrigerator lasts five years.
Planned obsolescence.
I bought my fridge new from Sears in 1993 and it's still going.
I know of the old monitor tops from the 30s still running
Sorry I got rid of a fridge I bought in 1983, it still worked great when I renovated the kitchen and went stainless all the rage.found out Durable goods are no longer durable.
These greedy companies cannot make the amount of money they want to make unless their appliances are breaking down at the two-year mark.
So steer clear of LG
Thanks for the heads up
You know how dystopian it is for a TOS to be on a refrigerator box.
TOS is for a service, a fridge is not a service.
@@vollkerball1You'd think that, but in the era of everything being a "smart" appliance a lot of refrigerators actually do have TOS agreements. Same way a TV isn't a service but if you don't agree to LG's litigation policy then you cannot use your TV beyond HDMI input.
@@FEARSWTOR Same with Roku!!
arbitration notices have to be signed showing that both parties agree, so simply putting it on a box should not be valid nor enforceable at all.
"By not looking or otherwise agreeing to this notice, you agree to arbitration, the donation of your first born, and voluntarily live complete organ harvesting within a period of 12 months to LG.
We hope the fridge is worth it"
I have a LG tv. Tempted to send them a $500 bill written on cardboard demanding payment for accepting the TV delivery. "Oh you didn't see it? That's just how we do business here"
No it doesnt! If they stated by accpeting the property you have agreed to Arbitration then you would be required to go to arbitration. But, most people dont know that if you file a small claims against them , that would side step the arbitration process. I didnt realize that until an attorney suggest I do that and when the defendant object to the case being in small claims court instead of arbitration, it was struck down and the attorney had to deal with small claims court. So here is another thing, in arbitration, it could be considered a class but instead of getting a ruling by a juror, its done by an arbitrator which in most cases, sides with the business.
@bjvu9460 the problem is you don't see it until you've already purchased the product and it's in your home. So, now you either agree or lose money by returning it
@@bjvu9460 you're incorrect ..(its enforceability wouldn't survive an appeal or supreme Court challenge) When entering into a contract, both parties have to be cognizant of what it is they're bargaining, if one party is woefully in the dark, because of the shenanigans of the other party, that contract will not survive a challenge as a matter of law.
This is INSANE. This is literally happening to my girlfriends LG fridge right now! My mind is blown right now at how relevant this is.
What's insane is that there is so much fridge competition and LG thinks this isn't gonna seriously hurt their brand and reputation. So many people are already choosing Kenmore and Samsung fridges.
@@ljeans531 Samsung is just as bad
LG and Samsung suck for appliances. Ultimately it's up to customers to hold them to account and it sounds like the party is getting started.
@Ziegfried82 Actually samsung has been improving a lot in the last 5 years. Sure they had a bad reputation but they are going in the opposite direction of LG
Don't put any money in a women whom will not have your children
No company or individual should be allowed to make themselves immune to a lawsuit. This creates alot of room for corruption. The right to sue and seek redress from the courts should be available for all.
My LG went out within a year twenty years ago. I got a partial refund and had to buy a different brand. Recently we had to replace our washer, we walked right past that brand. Never again.
My dad used to be a refrigerator repairman, and I would go with him as a tool fetcher and gopher. Came across a lady who had a 1934 Frigidare that run like a top and kept the inside perfectly cold. If they had tech in the 30's that would last so long, you know for a fact with modern tech, failures are designed into the machines.
Yup, and then these same leeches of coporations will preach to us about 'climate change ' and how concerned they are about it , all while ignoring the huge landfill of their broken newish appliances😡
Yes all tech companies make products cheaper on purpose so you are forced to replace it every few years and keep giving them money
All of that tech was banned for being too environmentally unfriendly.
@@YesHumphreyAppleby Less energy efficient designs and older refrigerants do not equal longer lasting. It's mostly cost cutting that causes designs to be deficient. Most consumers aren't going to pay more for a fridge that's going to last 50 years, they look at the features and cost. Cramming more features into a cheaper appliance means all those extra features have to be built as cheaply as possible and that means parts that aren't designed to last.
I'm never purchasing an LG product again.
We recently replaced our LG. We bought it new and the compressor died after 7 years. Repair guy's quote came to about what a new fridge would cost. We went with a basic side-by-side GE. Hoping for better this time around.
This sounds about right. Can't make a phone. Can't make a fridge
But they make good TVs 😂
I've had good luck with budget LG phones. I would never buy an LG appliance.
@@DIYBill not anymore. you are much better off buying cheap chinese one.
@@kuyre2239 looking at high-end chinese tvs, lg tvs are way ahead on the quality control. chinese panels almost always have some kind of defects. if lg tvs become shit, there are others on the same league like samsung and sony.
@@kuyre2239 LG hasnt made a phone in a couple years now.
Putting the arbitration agreement on the box is the dumbest thing ever. There’s no way that will hold up in court.
especially when its unboxed by someone else, not even the owners
Did you not watch the whole video cause it’s in several places including the manual so
@@wellfuckyoumrit doesnt matter, its not a legally binding contract, you have to sign something for it to be, which you dont
Just got my LG fridge delivered today. Ordered through Costco, and the delivery team didn't even include the box. I guess I can sue :-)
This vid makes me appreciate my 20+ year old Frigidaire fridge even more!
Keep it repaired, that brand can last 50 plus years If taken care of
My 1989 GE fridge almond color keeps humming along.
17 year old KitchenAid still works like a charm!
Ditto my 33 year old Maytag...
We had Samsung - years of buying ice - never again. Bought a Bosch 5 years ago and am so happy with it.
If I was a judge, I would say that if an arbitration notice is being offered by a company, it must be agreed to and signed by the purchaser before the moment of purchase. Otherwise, it is null and void. The purchaser needs to be aware that there is one outside of just seeing it posted somewhere, especially if it's easy to overlook and can be mistaken for a general notice and pushed out of mind as a result. There's no evidence that the purchaser acknowledged the arbitration notice, and purchasing the product should not count as enough evidence to say that they acknowledge something that they are not told directly.
If they made the terms available before purchase it is arguable that the act of purchasing is consent. It depends on the laws in your area and the way they presented information.
A lot of apps have massive terms of service that you consent to by purchasing/downloading the app or they bloat it so badly that consumers just accept
My doctor made me sign an arbitration agreement and I became skeptical of her
@@kp5496yeah, I'd shop around on that purchase lol. It's better to be skeptical OF her that become a skeleton BECAUSE OF her😂
It's really sad that so many companies are just weaseling out of their own responsibility and getting away with it...
Yes, and unfortunately, people are simply getting used to the idea that most large appliances (fridge, washer, dryer, dishwasher) are basically garbage and will last only a few years. Very, very sad.
hyundai ,KIA , LG and samsung. dont buy product from these companies.
Money. The CEO needs more yachts. Who cares about reliability just push these over-engineered planned obsolescent products out for the sake of YACHTS!
Capitalism reward taking and deceiving, and many time crimes that are just a hair too small will be not delt with like police laugh you off if its not a big enough deal to them, like the schools violently abused me for years and its not a big deal to them I can just get over it on my own they think.
Because they're Korean?
I see so many nice LG fridges with issues listed in market places. Mine has been running just fine but it definitely makes me glad we still have the old one just in case.
1 million views in 24 hours. that shows how much people relate to this problem
Peoplewatch a lot of things. I mean six nine gets a lot of views that ahould tell you everything.
companies shouldnt be immune from being sued under any circumstances
Specially when they GUARANTEE a product for TEN YEARS.
It’s scary that corporations (a living corpse) has more rights than a human being.
@@edwardramirez8589only in the USA where large corporations have weaseled their way into the pockets of government employees, corrupting them with business and profits over people policies
When I bought mine,they were honest said you need to replace every ten year to keep the manufacturer in business!
They can't hide behind an agreement not to sue since LG themselves violated their guarantee that the product would work for at least 10 years.. I think that's fraud
Purposely building a defective product then telling people they can't be sued over it. ROFL. I believe the courts will see it differently.
The laws have been quietly changed over the last 2 decades nobody wins lawsuits against corporations anymore.
Exactly. You can't "opt out" of being sued 😂