I'm sure that they are both excellent ebikes, but I decided to purchase the Portola in Indigo Matte with the standard battery on sale for $899. The 750w motor, Reention battery, and Shimano Altus 8-speed trigger shifter were big selling points. And for someone like me who brings their battery inside every day, the more convenient battery location was icing on the cake. The bike arrived fully intact and it has been problem free. I did have one question that was answered promptly by Ride1Up support. So far, so good....
This is the comparison I’ve been waiting for, so thanks for the video! Customer service from each has been good in my experience. With the higher torque and lower bottom gear ratio, the Portola should be a better hill climber. Your charts flipped the order when comparing wattage and torque, which may confuse viewers who miss the labels. The XP’s gear ratios can let you pedal more slowly at the 28mph top assisted speed, though both avoid the “ghost” pedaling phenomenon. Other key differences: Portola fork range is 80mm vs 50mm for the XP 3.0. Spring rate is reported to be different by some reviewers, with the Portola’s fork less likely to bottom out. Portola display lets you adjust the number of PAS levels (3, 5 (default), 7 or 9) and power output of each PAS level whereas the XP is fixed at 5 and power output of each level is also fixed - I really like this as I customized it on my Ride1Up ebike and I think there is too large a gap between PAS 1 and 2 on my Lectric XPedition, and its 1 is too high (~200W) for tight maneuvers. Portola trip meter retains its memory when the bike powers down whereas the XP’s clears it (I find this annoying on my XPedition, which uses the same display as the XP) Portola rear light is also a brake light It is odd the long range Portola battery is only 13.4AH when the spare battery you can buy has 14AH, but I think they use different cells. Spare battery cost is also different, at $375 for the Portola 14AH and $500 for the XP 14AH and $299 for the XP 10.4AH.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you. Ah, I see what you mean about the graph, not sure how they got swapped since they were originally input the same. Thanks for catching that. That is odd about the stock LR Portola battery and the replacement.The replacement battery hadn't been listed on Ride1Up's site just yet when I was putting this video together otherwise I would have made mention. I'm assuming different battery cells as well since they don't list the cells on the stock battery but make note of the Samsung cells on the replacement. Still strange.
Yeah, the additional pack uses either LG or Samsung cells, whereas the included ones use Yiwei cells. Had to dig into a page linked from Ride1Up’s Portola launch blog article to find that information.
No claim about UL certification on e-bikes or battery packs yet on Ride1Up’s web site, regardless of cells used in the batteries. I’ll check UL but if Ride1Up had received certification, they’d likely state it in their product information as a feature. Update: couldn’t find any listing related to any Ride1Up product in UL’s databases.
I bought myself an x p 3.0 When they were first released for a Black Friday special in 22. Unfortunately I had nothing but trouble with the model that I received. My range was never more than twelve miles using PAS 2 solely no throttle. Im a trucker and kept the bike on my passenger seat to ride occasionally on my downtime. 1 day I was pulling it down. It fell and hit the ground, breaking at the folding hinge. That was a 5 ft drop. Lectric wouldn't replace it. I bought a used 2.0 for 250$ and its quality far superior to the newer 3.0s. I really am considering the Portola as my next purchase.
That is most unfortunate. We have never had so much as a flat tire with our Lectric 1.0 Step Thru's. Getting them early on for $899 I purchased all kinds of ebike tools and accessories sensing shortages during the pandemic but never once needed to use any of them some 3,000 miles later.
As an Lectric Step Thru owner the very stylish looking Portola looks very inviting except for these key feature in my mind: (1) the left hand thumb accelerator, (2) the non adjusting height handle bar and (3) narrow width handle bar. But I do like the Portola on top frame loading battery, the color options and the 750watt motor. A difficult decision as to which to go with. The main issue for me though is the left had thumb drive over the right side handle grip wrist throttle.
I am looking for a folding bike to put into my car trunk. I currently have a full suspension bike for which I need my truck to carry. The suspension bike has a throttle on the left side and I absolutely love it. On a motorcycle, a twist throttle would be just fine because you’re not bouncing up and down but on a bikeI think a twist bottle doesn’t make a lot of sense.
@@Makelifehappennow We've had our Lectric Step Thru's for 4 seasons and really enjoy them. We had electric scooters with the right hand twist throttle so the Lectric Wrist Throttle was welcome. I guess its is what you get used too. But we agreed that we prefer not to have a left had thumb throttle over the right hand wrist throttle. We like the design of the Portola over the Lectric but will most likely stay with the Lectric Brand having gotten so used to their features, service and support. But I don't think you'd go wrong with either one. We used to have to take our Trek peddle bikes to our hotel room overnight but now leave the Step Thru's in the car and just take the battery to the room to charge it - a real plus for us. You cannot beat the convenience and advantages of eBikes over standard peddle bikes. As seniors we now ride farther than we ever did on the Trek peddle bikes with knee and hip replacements to boot!
@@markb6295 I like it a lot. Some comments though: I don't use it for long trips, so I can't comment on range. I bought mine before they included a derailleur, and if it were still like that, I would say not to lay it on the derailleur side when it's folded (like if you have to store it in your car's trunk. But now they include a derailleur guard, so it's not a problem. I would also say protect the paint on the parts where the bike's halves rub together when folded. The kickstand is sturdy. Like most hub motors, there is a short delay between pressing on the throttle and the beginning of movement. With the eight gears included, you can go pretty fast even without much motor assistance. The brakes are nice and strong. The seat that comes with the bike is not bad. I do wish that it had full suspension and a brighter headlight, though. I love the brake and tail light. I haven't found a way to lock my bike to an outdoor bike rack on the front of the bike with my u-lock since there's no top tube. Instead, I run the u-lock through the tire and the rear triangle. The strap they include to keep the bike folded is very convenient. It was hard to find a place to put my u-lock's bracket for when I'm on the move because there are so few thick tubes on the bike to attack it to. I put it originally on the seatpost, but that was really incovenient because it ruined the aspect of the bike being a step-through. So, I took a yoga mat and cut a slice off of it, then rolled it around one of the rear rack's rails and secured it in place with an adjustable pipe clamp. Then I put the u-lock bracket on that. I have a lot of fun with it.
I bought the XP last month when the long range was on sale for $1149 with the passenger and comfort kit included for free. I use with my 7 year old daughter on the back so I appreciate having the handle on the passenger kit. I compared it to the Portola when I bought it and I liked the looks of that more, but the XP seemed like the better value at time of purchase.
@@maanman3573 just teasing him. Sorry. I'd imagine the Lectric's build cost is about $60-80 cheaper, so it is not a huge mistake at all. Just slightly less value for your dollar.
Correction. The side shields on the passenger kit for the Portola are designed for a different model and don’t fit for the Portola. The passenger pegs likewise don’t fit out of the box and need a different size screw that needs to be purchased separately. Hopefully they’ll make a Portola specific passenger kit
Good to know, thank you. When I had researched this, the Ride1Up site simply showed the passenger kit as compatible for the Portola. Looks like they've updated their site to show these stipulations now.
went with XP 3.0 because I like the throttle dive not the dumb thumb ouch! The rear rack is better and with the Free accessories eg., upgrade suspension seat ,headlight and phone carrier its a better deal plus 1000w peak battery!
Lectric Rear carrier 20 lb weight advantage only meaningful if you carry a rear passenger, otherwise Portola rack with 130 lb capacity good for most transport purposes. Add a pair of panniers for grocery/bike touring and I doubt 130 lb capacity will be exceeed. Also some people may prefer thumb throttle instead.
I purchased the long distance 3.0 step through, and right off the bat, dealt with "delays". And the delays keep coming. First it was a month and a half to just get the bike. Now it's the extra long distance battery they told me would be shipped out the last week of June. Only AFTER I reached out to find out why I hadn't received the battery, did they respond with a NEW ship date of August. So, I pad $500 have waited over 3 months and still haven't received it. The problem isn't that I haven't received it yet, it's the LACK of customer service! I should have never had to reach out first. I won't buy another bike/accessory from them based on my experience.
Less expensive long range battery makes the Portola the better buy, but the throttle might be the deal breaker; Some ATVs have used thumb throttle for years, but I will admit, you can lock the a half grip throttle with your hand to require less effort over the thumb lever. Thoughts?
Yeah, I grew up using thumb throttles on ATCs/ATVs so it's not that big of a deal for me but I hear some people complain on long rides of "thumb fatigue" with them. Of course just a personal preference between the two and if you rarely use the throttle and mostly pedal then you wouldn't be using it most of the time anyway I suppose lol
Much safer to have thumb to throttle for a bike. If you fall people tend to grab the handles tightly and they could accidentally accelerate with a twist throttle
There's another E-Bike to consider. The ADO Air 20 Folding Electric Bike. Yes, it's a few hundred dollars more and has 350 watts but it's a carbon belt drive AND most importantly, weighs 35 pounds, almost half the weight of the Portola and Lectric at 65 pounds. The ADO is far easier to carry and is more manuverable. It would be great if you tested the ADO Air 20 against these other bikes here. Thank you.
Both use current-based systems, where each PAS level corresponds to a set number of watts sent to the motor. The key difference is the Portola lets you customize the number of PAS levels, and modify the amount of power each level sends to suit your preferences, whereas the XP’s are fixed at the factory. The Portola also lets you adjust how much crank rotation it takes to engage the motor assist from a minimum of 10 degrees (out of 360). Another difference that matters to me is the Portola’s display keeps its trip distance and time information when powered off, whereas the XP’s resets when it powers down.
@@chow-chihuang4903 Thanks for the early morning chuckle you gave me! 🤣🤣🤣 I have the Portola, by the way, and really enjoy it! But I need to go in and change the PAS settings. I have it set to the default 0-5 levels, but there is virtually zero difference between levels 1 and 2. Then the leap in power at level 3 is too much. Have a great day! 😊🚴🏻♀️
@@maryl.7226 Wonderful! I’m happy you are enjoying yours. Ride on! I’m waiting for UL certification to get myself a Portola as I want as little trouble as possible when I take it when I visit family in NYC. I modified the factory PAS settings on my Ride1Up LMt’d, which is my main ride. The ability to customize them is greatly undervalued.
Im debating between these 2. I carry a 9 year old. The portola rack looks to be a bit shorter compared to the lectric or am I imagining it? Almost looks like your passenger is right under the rider. Interested in your thoughts.
Can anyone tell me how much the batteries themselves weigh? How much lighter is the bike if the battery is take out first. I am worried I won't be able to lift 59 or 65 pounds into my vehicle. THanks
Lectric lists the XP 3.0 battery at 7lbs, so about 57 lbs for the XP without the battery installed. I didn't see a listing for the Portola's battery, but it should weigh about the same so I'd assume around 53 lbs for the Ride1Up without the battery.
I think all fat tire bikes should have 3 inch (like these bikes) instead of 4 inch wide tires . Those 4 inchers add weight, look ridiculous and don't really serve a purpose. These bikes look awesome.
I'm 5'4 and need to commute 4 miles to work on mostly throttle, some hills involved My current regular bike takes me 45 minutes and I'm exhausted upon arrival Any recommendations?
There is no comparision here. The Portola is a much better modern bike. I can make a list 10 deep on why the bike is better but the most important factor here is the company! Lectric bike company has terrible customer support when and if you receive a New damaged bike and you have a 50/50 change of receiving one. It was a big mess in getting my money back on a cheap made bike i never could ride. I DO NOT recommend buying a bike from Lectric bike company. Stick with Ride1Up for a better product and service.
1) Lower prices 2) Easier to remove battery 3) Sturdier stem 4) Customizable number of and power setting for each PAS level (both use current-based systems, Lectric simply gave theirs a name) - this is a huge benefit for me! 5) Display retains trip distance and time when powered off 6) Don’t need to keep key in the battery lock to ride 7) Higher torque (65Nm vs 55) for better hill climbing ability and potentially faster acceleration (depends on your advanced setting choices) 8) More travel (80mm vs 50) and stronger spring in the suspension fork - stronger comment is from the Freshly Charged review 9) Better quality batteries from Reention (per Micah Toll of Electrek) 10) 1 more rear gear and better derailleur 11) Strap included to keep bike snugly folded 12) 1 more color option 13) Grips locked versus friction (they slip all the time on my XPedition) 14) Gearing also avoids ghost-pedaling at max assisted speed of 28mph but offers much lower ratio for easier hill climbing 15) Brake rotors are thicker and sturdier - the Freshly Charged guys were happy about this for some reason, probably less likely to get warped but also they are slower to overheat on long downhills 16) Slightly brighter front light (80 lumens vs about 15). Both are “be seen” lights so you’ll want to augment or replace them with brighter ones if you ride at night. Don’t bother with Lectric’s “Premium” headlight as it’s the same lame light but with a reflector around the outside of the lens. If you want to stick with Lectric headlights, go for the top-end Elite or their self-contained light. 17) Rear light gets brighter when you brake 18) For shorter people or taller ones who prefer a more upright posture, the cockpit is shorter 19) The front rack mounting points can be used for bottle cages or similar accessories if you forgo the rack 20) Rear rack has rails for panniers, which matter if you also use a trunk bag stop the rack 21) Many accessories are slightly cheaper, though not all, especially extra batteries, which have 14Ah capacity 22) This is mostly aesthetic, but cleaner welds. My XPedition frame is sturdy but the welds are sloppily done. They’re not the only brand with ugly welds though. Some features like bottle cage bosses and bosses for the battery docks are noticeably off-center. Ditto for accessories like running boards, baskets. I had to file or grind metal in places to get them fitted to my XPedition. Spacers for both brake calipers were also way off. My friend alerted me to how her brake pads were ejected from the caliper due to misalignment between the pads and rotors. She lives in a much hillier area than I do. I had to grind off quite a bit of material to align the pads to the rotors. 23) Those 5 pounds of weight matter for hefting the bike into and out of cars, buses, up and down stairs, under your office desk, etc. Relative negatives 1) Lower overall weight capacity and rear rack capacity 2) Stem has no height adjustment 3) Though you don’t ghost-pedal at 28mph, you will have a higher cadence due to the top-speed gear ratio 4) Fewer cargo accessories. Lectric offers insulated pizza bags, two sizes of baskets (though not quick release), pet/cargo trailer, in addition to panniers, front rack and front or rear baskets as Ride1Up also does. Unless you have significant investment in compatible accessories from a prior Lectric ebike, the Portola has a significant number of advantages. Both offer great value, but the Portola offers more.
@@chow-chihuang4903Thank you for that list. I know that took a lot of work. I owe you a beer! 😉 I have a question for you... do you know about the customer service and replacement parts (both companies), should any be needed? Thanks my friend. Happy biking!
@@USARealityCheck I was happy to! I’ve been looking at both models closely to replace the Nesta I bought just before the XPedition came out as I don’t like its speed-based power management style. I did miss that the Portola uses a cassette instead of a freewheel for those who care. It can withstand stronger rider input and is easier to replace. To your question, both have responsive and good customer support. Each is US-based. Lectric has theirs at their HQ in NV. Ride1Up has most of theirs at their CA HQ but they’ve been hiring regional support techs for more responsive support. With Ride1Up, they comped me a bit for chipped paint from shipping damage and the cost of repairing a leaking valve on the air fork. I later had an issue with a broken spoke and creaking at the bottom bracket, after the warranty expired. They helped me with spoke specifications and find a source for them. For the creaking BB, they helped me diagnose the issue and provided me a link to a YT video showing how to remove and reinstall the torque-sensor BB. It turned out to be paint on the side faces of the BB shell. Sanding that off solved the issue. I used email every time. I got responses within a few hours, at the latest, the next day. I’ve not yet used Lectric as I diagnosed and fixed the issues on my own. However, I’ve two friends who own two XP 2.0 and an XPedition. Lectric provided them with free replacement controllers when they burned them up climbing the long steep hills around their area, and free rear caliper and brake rotor on the XPedition when it kicked the pads out of the caliper. She prefers to call and talk to a rep, and she’s been able to reach someone quickly each time. A friend of theirs who bought an XP 3.0 with cable-pull brakes was shipped a free hydraulic brake upgrade kit when they did a mid-cycle upgrade on the XP 3.0 to hydraulic brakes (this was before the recall). I believe when they announced the brake upgrade, they also emailed people who bought the XP 3.0 prior with an offer of complimentary upgrade kits.
I ended up buying a Mokwheel e-bike and wow what a difference compared to Lectric bike company. The bike is much better looking and build quality was superior to Lectric. More important is customer support with Mokwheel. Best i have ever experienced. Big difference right away is how the Mokwheel bike was packaged and shipped. This is one big reason Lectric bike company has so many damaged new bikes shipped like mine was. Mokwheel uses much thicker cardboard boxing and heavy duty molded foam for protecting the bike from Damage. Not a nick of damage anywhere. Lectric uses thin weak cardboard boxing and foam bulk thin sheets for protecting which did nothing to protect the bike. Mine was severely damaged and this is where all the problems started with customer support with Lectric bike company..
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I'm sure that they are both excellent ebikes, but I decided to purchase the Portola in Indigo Matte with the standard battery on sale for $899. The 750w motor, Reention battery, and Shimano Altus 8-speed trigger shifter were big selling points. And for someone like me who brings their battery inside every day, the more convenient battery location was icing on the cake. The bike arrived fully intact and it has been problem free. I did have one question that was answered promptly by Ride1Up support. So far, so good....
Nobody has mentioned the awkward placement and removal of the Lectric battery and key that has to remain in place while riding. Inconvenient.
Just called Lectric over a charging question with the 3.0. They promptly answered and helped me troubleshoot.
This is the comparison I’ve been waiting for, so thanks for the video!
Customer service from each has been good in my experience.
With the higher torque and lower bottom gear ratio, the Portola should be a better hill climber. Your charts flipped the order when comparing wattage and torque, which may confuse viewers who miss the labels.
The XP’s gear ratios can let you pedal more slowly at the 28mph top assisted speed, though both avoid the “ghost” pedaling phenomenon.
Other key differences:
Portola fork range is 80mm vs 50mm for the XP 3.0. Spring rate is reported to be different by some reviewers, with the Portola’s fork less likely to bottom out.
Portola display lets you adjust the number of PAS levels (3, 5 (default), 7 or 9) and power output of each PAS level whereas the XP is fixed at 5 and power output of each level is also fixed - I really like this as I customized it on my Ride1Up ebike and I think there is too large a gap between PAS 1 and 2 on my Lectric XPedition, and its 1 is too high (~200W) for tight maneuvers.
Portola trip meter retains its memory when the bike powers down whereas the XP’s clears it (I find this annoying on my XPedition, which uses the same display as the XP)
Portola rear light is also a brake light
It is odd the long range Portola battery is only 13.4AH when the spare battery you can buy has 14AH, but I think they use different cells. Spare battery cost is also different, at $375 for the Portola 14AH and $500 for the XP 14AH and $299 for the XP 10.4AH.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you. Ah, I see what you mean about the graph, not sure how they got swapped since they were originally input the same. Thanks for catching that.
That is odd about the stock LR Portola battery and the replacement.The replacement battery hadn't been listed on Ride1Up's site just yet when I was putting this video together otherwise I would have made mention. I'm assuming different battery cells as well since they don't list the cells on the stock battery but make note of the Samsung cells on the replacement. Still strange.
Their website lists a Reention Rhino replacement and/or backup battery for the Portola... a 48V, 14AH battery using Samsung cells for $375.
Yeah, the additional pack uses either LG or Samsung cells, whereas the included ones use Yiwei cells. Had to dig into a page linked from Ride1Up’s Portola launch blog article to find that information.
So is the Portola's long range battery UL certified? Standard Yihwei battery probably not.
No claim about UL certification on e-bikes or battery packs yet on Ride1Up’s web site, regardless of cells used in the batteries. I’ll check UL but if Ride1Up had received certification, they’d likely state it in their product information as a feature.
Update: couldn’t find any listing related to any Ride1Up product in UL’s databases.
Really good in depth analysis. Excellent video
Thank you much. Glad you enjoyed it!
We just bought BOTH of these ebikes! We can't wait to use them!
I bought myself an x p 3.0 When they were first released for a Black Friday special in 22. Unfortunately I had nothing but trouble with the model that I received. My range was never more than twelve miles using PAS 2 solely no throttle. Im a trucker and kept the bike on my passenger seat to ride occasionally on my downtime. 1 day I was pulling it down. It fell and hit the ground, breaking at the folding hinge. That was a 5 ft drop. Lectric wouldn't replace it. I bought a used 2.0 for 250$ and its quality far superior to the newer 3.0s. I really am considering the Portola as my next purchase.
That is most unfortunate. We have never had so much as a flat tire with our Lectric 1.0 Step Thru's. Getting them early on for $899 I purchased all kinds of ebike tools and accessories sensing shortages during the pandemic but never once needed to use any of them some 3,000 miles later.
As an Lectric Step Thru owner the very stylish looking Portola looks very inviting except for these key feature in my mind: (1) the left hand thumb accelerator, (2) the non adjusting height handle bar and (3) narrow width handle bar. But I do like the Portola on top frame loading battery, the color options and the 750watt motor. A difficult decision as to which to go with. The main issue for me though is the left had thumb drive over the right side handle grip wrist throttle.
I am looking for a folding bike to put into my car trunk. I currently have a full suspension bike for which I need my truck to carry. The suspension bike has a throttle on the left side and I absolutely love it. On a motorcycle, a twist throttle would be just fine because you’re not bouncing up and down but on a bikeI think a twist bottle doesn’t make a lot of sense.
@@Makelifehappennow We've had our Lectric Step Thru's for 4 seasons and really enjoy them. We had electric scooters with the right hand twist throttle so the Lectric Wrist Throttle was welcome. I guess its is what you get used too. But we agreed that we prefer not to have a left had thumb throttle over the right hand wrist throttle. We like the design of the Portola over the Lectric but will most likely stay with the Lectric Brand having gotten so used to their features, service and support. But I don't think you'd go wrong with either one. We used to have to take our Trek peddle bikes to our hotel room overnight but now leave the Step Thru's in the car and just take the battery to the room to charge it - a real plus for us. You cannot beat the convenience and advantages of eBikes over standard peddle bikes. As seniors we now ride farther than we ever did on the Trek peddle bikes with knee and hip replacements to boot!
I ordered the Portola on Monday while the standard battery model was still $100 off. I'm anxiously looking forward to it! 😆
That's an awesome deal. Congrats on your new ebike!
How are you liking it so far?
How is the bike?
@@markb6295 I like it a lot. Some comments though: I don't use it for long trips, so I can't comment on range. I bought mine before they included a derailleur, and if it were still like that, I would say not to lay it on the derailleur side when it's folded (like if you have to store it in your car's trunk. But now they include a derailleur guard, so it's not a problem. I would also say protect the paint on the parts where the bike's halves rub together when folded. The kickstand is sturdy. Like most hub motors, there is a short delay between pressing on the throttle and the beginning of movement. With the eight gears included, you can go pretty fast even without much motor assistance. The brakes are nice and strong.
The seat that comes with the bike is not bad. I do wish that it had full suspension and a brighter headlight, though. I love the brake and tail light. I haven't found a way to lock my bike to an outdoor bike rack on the front of the bike with my u-lock since there's no top tube. Instead, I run the u-lock through the tire and the rear triangle. The strap they include to keep the bike folded is very convenient. It was hard to find a place to put my u-lock's bracket for when I'm on the move because there are so few thick tubes on the bike to attack it to. I put it originally on the seatpost, but that was really incovenient because it ruined the aspect of the bike being a step-through. So, I took a yoga mat and cut a slice off of it, then rolled it around one of the rear rack's rails and secured it in place with an adjustable pipe clamp. Then I put the u-lock bracket on that.
I have a lot of fun with it.
@@kvnxl See my comment to the other person.
I bought the XP last month when the long range was on sale for $1149 with the passenger and comfort kit included for free. I use with my 7 year old daughter on the back so I appreciate having the handle on the passenger kit. I compared it to the Portola when I bought it and I liked the looks of that more, but the XP seemed like the better value at time of purchase.
Ouch. I'm sorry about your mistake
Eh, both are good bikes from good companies. The Portola might be a little better but the XP is by no means a mistake.
@@maanman3573 just teasing him. Sorry. I'd imagine the Lectric's build cost is about $60-80 cheaper, so it is not a huge mistake at all. Just slightly less value for your dollar.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
Correction. The side shields on the passenger kit for the Portola are designed for a different model and don’t fit for the Portola. The passenger pegs likewise don’t fit out of the box and need a different size screw that needs to be purchased separately. Hopefully they’ll make a Portola specific passenger kit
Good to know, thank you. When I had researched this, the Ride1Up site simply showed the passenger kit as compatible for the Portola. Looks like they've updated their site to show these stipulations now.
went with XP 3.0 because I like the throttle dive not the dumb thumb ouch! The rear rack is better and with the Free accessories eg., upgrade suspension seat ,headlight and phone carrier its a better deal plus 1000w peak battery!
Lectric Rear carrier 20 lb weight advantage only meaningful if you carry a rear passenger, otherwise Portola rack with 130 lb capacity good for most transport purposes. Add a pair of panniers for grocery/bike touring and I doubt 130 lb capacity will be exceeed. Also some people may prefer thumb throttle instead.
Man, I was sold on the Lectric, but now I may go with the Ride 1 Up... The battery selling access and shimano parts is a big difference.
Have both and the Lectric is definitely the superior bike. More comfortable, better range and tremendous customer service.
Very helpful. I’m leaning toward the portola.
Rear gear set is not unbranded, it’s Shimano Tourney
On the xp 3.0 that is.
Good to know thnak you! Lectric doesn't list the manufacturer on their site and their product photos are pretty low-rez so it's hard to make it out.
I went with ride1up best choice ever the seat is great
That's great to hear! Glad you're happy with it!
I purchased the long distance 3.0 step through, and right off the bat, dealt with "delays". And the delays keep coming. First it was a month and a half to just get the bike. Now it's the extra long distance battery they told me would be shipped out the last week of June. Only AFTER I reached out to find out why I hadn't received the battery, did they respond with a NEW ship date of August. So, I pad $500 have waited over 3 months and still haven't received it. The problem isn't that I haven't received it yet, it's the LACK of customer service! I should have never had to reach out first. I won't buy another bike/accessory from them based on my experience.
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Less expensive long range battery makes the Portola the better buy, but the throttle might be the deal breaker;
Some ATVs have used thumb throttle for years, but I will admit, you can lock the a half grip throttle with your hand to require less effort over the thumb lever.
Thoughts?
Yeah, I grew up using thumb throttles on ATCs/ATVs so it's not that big of a deal for me but I hear some people complain on long rides of "thumb fatigue" with them. Of course just a personal preference between the two and if you rarely use the throttle and mostly pedal then you wouldn't be using it most of the time anyway I suppose lol
I agree. Thumb levers are HORRIBLE
Much safer to have thumb to throttle for a bike. If you fall people tend to grab the handles tightly and they could accidentally accelerate with a twist throttle
There's another E-Bike to consider. The ADO Air 20 Folding Electric Bike. Yes, it's a few hundred dollars more and has 350 watts but it's a carbon belt drive AND most importantly, weighs 35 pounds, almost half the weight of the Portola and Lectric at 65 pounds. The ADO is far easier to carry and is more manuverable. It would be great if you tested the ADO Air 20 against these other bikes here. Thank you.
I'd like to know how the cadence sensor on the Portola compares with the Lectric PWR sensor which they claim is closer to a torque sensor.
Both use current-based systems, where each PAS level corresponds to a set number of watts sent to the motor.
The key difference is the Portola lets you customize the number of PAS levels, and modify the amount of power each level sends to suit your preferences, whereas the XP’s are fixed at the factory. The Portola also lets you adjust how much crank rotation it takes to engage the motor assist from a minimum of 10 degrees (out of 360).
Another difference that matters to me is the Portola’s display keeps its trip distance and time information when powered off, whereas the XP’s resets when it powers down.
@@chow-chihuang4903Did you mean “to *suit* your preferences?” Otherwise, excellent comment - thanks!
@@maryl.7226 Hahaha! Thanks! Dang, that really changes the meaning!
@@chow-chihuang4903 Thanks for the early morning chuckle you gave me! 🤣🤣🤣
I have the Portola, by the way, and really enjoy it! But I need to go in and change the PAS settings. I have it set to the default 0-5 levels, but there is virtually zero difference between levels 1 and 2. Then the leap in power at level 3 is too much.
Have a great day! 😊🚴🏻♀️
@@maryl.7226 Wonderful! I’m happy you are enjoying yours. Ride on!
I’m waiting for UL certification to get myself a Portola as I want as little trouble as possible when I take it when I visit family in NYC.
I modified the factory PAS settings on my Ride1Up LMt’d, which is my main ride. The ability to customize them is greatly undervalued.
Im debating between these 2. I carry a 9 year old. The portola rack looks to be a bit shorter compared to the lectric or am I imagining it? Almost looks like your passenger is right under the rider. Interested in your thoughts.
Can anyone tell me how much the batteries themselves weigh? How much lighter is the bike if the battery is take out first. I am worried I won't be able to lift 59 or 65 pounds into my vehicle. THanks
Lectric lists the XP 3.0 battery at 7lbs, so about 57 lbs for the XP without the battery installed. I didn't see a listing for the Portola's battery, but it should weigh about the same so I'd assume around 53 lbs for the Ride1Up without the battery.
I think all fat tire bikes should have 3 inch (like these bikes) instead of 4 inch wide tires . Those 4 inchers add weight, look ridiculous and don't really serve a purpose. These bikes look awesome.
But, you didn't ride them...?
750 W motor with only a 10.4 AH battery is not a good combo. I'd get the better battery instead.
I do agree but feel that it's at least there to tempt those that are on the fence about spending over $1k on an ebike.
Portola all the way no joke
I'm 5'4 and need to commute 4 miles to work on mostly throttle, some hills involved
My current regular bike takes me 45 minutes and I'm exhausted upon arrival
Any recommendations?
There is no comparision here. The Portola is a much better modern bike. I can make a list 10 deep on why the bike is better but the most important factor here is the company! Lectric bike company has terrible customer support when and if you receive a New damaged bike and you have a 50/50 change of receiving one. It was a big mess in getting my money back on a cheap made bike i never could ride. I DO NOT recommend buying a bike from Lectric bike company. Stick with Ride1Up for a better product and service.
List the 10 items
1) Lower prices
2) Easier to remove battery
3) Sturdier stem
4) Customizable number of and power setting for each PAS level (both use current-based systems, Lectric simply gave theirs a name) - this is a huge benefit for me!
5) Display retains trip distance and time when powered off
6) Don’t need to keep key in the battery lock to ride
7) Higher torque (65Nm vs 55) for better hill climbing ability and potentially faster acceleration (depends on your advanced setting choices)
8) More travel (80mm vs 50) and stronger spring in the suspension fork - stronger comment is from the Freshly Charged review
9) Better quality batteries from Reention (per Micah Toll of Electrek)
10) 1 more rear gear and better derailleur
11) Strap included to keep bike snugly folded
12) 1 more color option
13) Grips locked versus friction (they slip all the time on my XPedition)
14) Gearing also avoids ghost-pedaling at max assisted speed of 28mph but offers much lower ratio for easier hill climbing
15) Brake rotors are thicker and sturdier - the Freshly Charged guys were happy about this for some reason, probably less likely to get warped but also they are slower to overheat on long downhills
16) Slightly brighter front light (80 lumens vs about 15). Both are “be seen” lights so you’ll want to augment or replace them with brighter ones if you ride at night. Don’t bother with Lectric’s “Premium” headlight as it’s the same lame light but with a reflector around the outside of the lens. If you want to stick with Lectric headlights, go for the top-end Elite or their self-contained light.
17) Rear light gets brighter when you brake
18) For shorter people or taller ones who prefer a more upright posture, the cockpit is shorter
19) The front rack mounting points can be used for bottle cages or similar accessories if you forgo the rack
20) Rear rack has rails for panniers, which matter if you also use a trunk bag stop the rack
21) Many accessories are slightly cheaper, though not all, especially extra batteries, which have 14Ah capacity
22) This is mostly aesthetic, but cleaner welds. My XPedition frame is sturdy but the welds are sloppily done. They’re not the only brand with ugly welds though. Some features like bottle cage bosses and bosses for the battery docks are noticeably off-center. Ditto for accessories like running boards, baskets. I had to file or grind metal in places to get them fitted to my XPedition. Spacers for both brake calipers were also way off. My friend alerted me to how her brake pads were ejected from the caliper due to misalignment between the pads and rotors. She lives in a much hillier area than I do. I had to grind off quite a bit of material to align the pads to the rotors.
23) Those 5 pounds of weight matter for hefting the bike into and out of cars, buses, up and down stairs, under your office desk, etc.
Relative negatives
1) Lower overall weight capacity and rear rack capacity
2) Stem has no height adjustment
3) Though you don’t ghost-pedal at 28mph, you will have a higher cadence due to the top-speed gear ratio
4) Fewer cargo accessories. Lectric offers insulated pizza bags, two sizes of baskets (though not quick release), pet/cargo trailer, in addition to panniers, front rack and front or rear baskets as Ride1Up also does.
Unless you have significant investment in compatible accessories from a prior Lectric ebike, the Portola has a significant number of advantages. Both offer great value, but the Portola offers more.
@@chow-chihuang4903Thank you for that list. I know that took a lot of work. I owe you a beer! 😉 I have a question for you... do you know about the customer service and replacement parts (both companies), should any be needed? Thanks my friend. Happy biking!
@@USARealityCheck I was happy to! I’ve been looking at both models closely to replace the Nesta I bought just before the XPedition came out as I don’t like its speed-based power management style.
I did miss that the Portola uses a cassette instead of a freewheel for those who care. It can withstand stronger rider input and is easier to replace.
To your question, both have responsive and good customer support. Each is US-based. Lectric has theirs at their HQ in NV. Ride1Up has most of theirs at their CA HQ but they’ve been hiring regional support techs for more responsive support.
With Ride1Up, they comped me a bit for chipped paint from shipping damage and the cost of repairing a leaking valve on the air fork. I later had an issue with a broken spoke and creaking at the bottom bracket, after the warranty expired. They helped me with spoke specifications and find a source for them. For the creaking BB, they helped me diagnose the issue and provided me a link to a YT video showing how to remove and reinstall the torque-sensor BB. It turned out to be paint on the side faces of the BB shell. Sanding that off solved the issue. I used email every time. I got responses within a few hours, at the latest, the next day.
I’ve not yet used Lectric as I diagnosed and fixed the issues on my own. However, I’ve two friends who own two XP 2.0 and an XPedition. Lectric provided them with free replacement controllers when they burned them up climbing the long steep hills around their area, and free rear caliper and brake rotor on the XPedition when it kicked the pads out of the caliper. She prefers to call and talk to a rep, and she’s been able to reach someone quickly each time. A friend of theirs who bought an XP 3.0 with cable-pull brakes was shipped a free hydraulic brake upgrade kit when they did a mid-cycle upgrade on the XP 3.0 to hydraulic brakes (this was before the recall). I believe when they announced the brake upgrade, they also emailed people who bought the XP 3.0 prior with an offer of complimentary upgrade kits.
I ended up buying a Mokwheel e-bike and wow what a difference compared to Lectric bike company. The bike is much better looking and build quality was superior to Lectric. More important is customer support with Mokwheel. Best i have ever experienced. Big difference right away is how the Mokwheel bike was packaged and shipped. This is one big reason Lectric bike company has so many damaged new bikes shipped like mine was. Mokwheel uses much thicker cardboard boxing and heavy duty molded foam for protecting the bike from Damage. Not a nick of damage anywhere. Lectric uses thin weak cardboard boxing and foam bulk thin sheets for protecting which did nothing to protect the bike. Mine was severely damaged and this is where all the problems started with customer support with Lectric bike company..