Vindican is the embodiment of Niman really. He can do all the regular party tricks, but can't do any one of them at a really high level. The lightsaber fight with he, Malgus, Kao Cen Darach, and Satile Shan is my third favourite Star Wars fight ever.
This is why I enjoy watching these videos, the people who make Lightsaber duel videos pay so much attention and understanding of how Jedi and Sith fight. Vindican was in 1 video and you were able to cut piece, by piece of each technique. I looked at a lot of this videos and think, "Well this is kinda one sided.", but just all the facts given, prove me wrong almost every time.
@@lapplandkun9273 lmao. Are you serious. He’s not biased? Or inept? He cries about anything regarding TCW, literally cries about it. It’s embarrassing. He’s a hypocrite. He makes a big deal about things that are literally negligible. Every single one of these versus series fanboys, are blatant NJO fanboys that use their own headcanons above actual confirmed sources & content.
@@thepriorstone4064 I think he's referring to when Connor (Jensaarai1) called Plo Koon, "a diet can of Darth Vader" in regards to lightsaber technique.
Jensaarai One, you do an EXCELLENT JOB describing Luminara's power and saber skills. I've heard a lot of Luminara idiology coming from a lot of Luminara haters.
this was very creative i never thought much of luminara or vindican. its nice to see and learn more about these underated charaters nice video and keep it up.
I like to think of Luminara as being in a similar mold to Eeth Koth and Tholme. They all share similar Niman-esque styles, but how they apply them it's the key. Luminara is strictly a strategist who comes with a plan beforehand, Koth goes with the flow and adapts, Tholme is both capable of long terms plans and adapting and improvising on the spot.
Until this video I didn't know Luminara used Makashi and shien. I alway saw her as a Form 3 soresu specialist. Through Vindican (though not officially confirmed) gave me an idea of what shien with the Saber staff looks like.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Does Luminara also use ataru? I'm basing this analysis on Barris' application of Jar Kai in TCW and Luminara herself when she fought TCW Ventress. It seems a lot of jedi use Ataru as a primary or they supplement it with other forms or vice versa. It's a recurring theme I've noticed.
@@baki484 Likely yes, Connor does mention it here in this video iirc. For Barris, I'd rather stick to her EU self, using the fight against Separatist droids on Illum from the 2003 microseries, as her TCW self gets an unexplained, plot-convenient Dark Side boost.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 I understand. Hey I saw your comment on the Calorusmagus' vs video (was able to finish it work my through him over explaining the real world logistics and different mediums). I chimed in and had a debate with him on the subject of the combatants in question. I think worries way too much with real world implications and differing mediums as opposed to looking at the medium as whole (it's a bit of a read if you're interested in reading the back and forth). On the subject of Barris I understand also in the EU she was Depicted as solely a pacifist combatant so soresu she was also incorporating force abilities like the when she was performing the circle of shelter she used the force to loosen the stalactites.
Something you may want to note is that mixing force abilities with lightsaber sequences is a prime element in Niman and a study in this form for this purpose should not be overlooked as it is an effective tactic that has been practiced throughout Star Wars history
Oh man, I started giving an evil laugh when I saw who the victor was! Luminara is no match for a pureblood of the resurgent Sith Empire! Keep at it with the new characters, man. You're doing good.
I was interested in seeing a video like this. Luminara is one of my favorite EU jedi (along with Shaak Ti, Kit Fisto, Yareal Poof, and Depa Bilaba-- among others)
OK Jensaarai, if you can use Vindican, you can use Darth Marr. I want to see the longest serving member of the old Dark Council versus someone equally beefy.
***** Well crap. My next suggestion was going to be Revan, but based on your response, I assume he can't be conclusively pinned down technically either, seeing as how the player controls his stats and abilities. Also, I'm sure you get Revan all the time.
Seeing you write "the longest serving member of the Dark Council", I seem to remember that was Vowrawn, but I don't recall where I might have that from, so I could be mixing that up. Could you point me to where Marr is cited as such? Just being curious and not connected with the suggestion at all. :)
Jensarai, you should make a awesome fanfic. Not only because star wars need it, but also you have everything for do it. And awesome narrator voice, creativity(a lot more then the guy from rebels) and a huge knowledge of the star wars mitos
Impressive! It's quite intriguing what you tend to find when you break the clips into frame by frame. I completely didn't see Vindican's major weaknesses (such as the lack of a defined stance and posture) until you reviewed that clip frame by frame. Interesting battle indeed!
I really liked this one. Twas fun and, I believe, quite accurate. I do believe, however, that Lord Vindacin's lightsaber style was Form 6, not Form 5. Albeit strongly flavored by Forms 2 and 5. I believe this because of his strong ability to improvise and chain in Force attacks, the two strongest traits of Form 6. His balanced offense and defence come from Form 5, I do believe you are correct. However, he seems to have higher agility and mobility than Form 5 normally allows, as well as very precise blade work. This is why I believe his theoritical Form 6 is strongly flavored by Form 2. Regardless, this one was excellent.
So it seems to me by the way you have laid out this fight that force lightning in and of itself gives the Sith an advantage over the Jedi. It's too bad more Jedi don't have Plo Koon's mentality towards this. Excellent video and analysis as always.
Nice video, I actually came into the video thinking the Luminara would win, however your arguments eventually convinced me that Vindican would be the likely winner. Good Job.
thanks for your efforts. I can imagine how time consuming it is to make these vids. It does NOT go unnoticed. Now l will lazily sit here and critique said hard work like the d-bag that I am.
I think that kota probably has little to no chance.Vos would probably get stomped since katarn is arround dooku's level and he dominated vos.Tbh I don't know about the last one.
@@tiredjediknight3110 as far as i know kota while a capable duelist is prone to the weaknesses of form 7 namely weak defense capacity .Since Kid Adi is a form 5 specialist and counters are one of the form's strengths he could take adavantage of that weakness easily. Beyond that I consider him the superior martial artist which would only make the advantage more prevalent. As far as the force goes well,I think it is safe to consider that he has the edge as well.Furthermore Mundi has other abilities like force healing and an overall better grasp of the force In the end I just don't think kota has any real advantages to capitalise on
@@Aintnoonewatching is Ki Adi Mundi a confirmed form 5 specialist? Because I'm fairly sure he was proficient in forms 2-4. At least as far as the legends continuity goes. And while Juyo is a primarily offensive form it has to be built off the mastery of multiple other forms, in Kota's case almost certainly form 5, at least the shien variant. To be fair Ki Adi may well be the superior lightsaber duellist given his demonstrations against grievous and Ventress but there were other circumstances in play in those fights. I do however disagree on their force abilities. Kota has demonstrated masterful command and variety in regards to Telekinesis, skill in Tutaminis, skill in the healing arts and force barriers strong enough to repel lightsaber blades. If there's an edge to capitalise on that could well be it for Kota
Nice to see the Shien form represented well in a duel. From what you're suggesting in Vindican and pre-knight Anakin's depictions it operates like a sort of proto-Niman in the "jack of all trades" role minus the integration of force powers, takes the fight to the opponent while retaining mobility and isn't nearly as prone to exhausting the user as Ataru or Juyo are. It also appears to be the best option for blast deflection too so I'm not sure why this form is so underrated as a primary style.
My theory is that Shien was developed first and makes up the bulk of a Form V specialist's technique since it solves most of the problems that Djem So (which specializes in saber-to-saber and close combat) doesn't really have an answer for. But yeah Djem So is clearly the discerning Jedi killer's choice if Vader, Bane and Malgus are anything to go by.
I think part of the reason Shien isn't as seen as its brother, Djem So, is because when the form is described.... All that is ever mentioned is that it was focused on blaster deflection, is weak against single opponents, that practitioners have a thing for reverse hand grips and recently (relatively speaking) I've heard it described as Soresu applied with a Makashi mentality. However, you don't generally hear much about how Shien does in saber to saber combat. And it seems as though Djem So was developed for Form V since Shien wasn't good enough for the practice. In fact, this video is the first time I've heard anything about how Shien can be applied in saber to saber combat... I've always heard it used for aimed blast deflect and wasn't as passive as Soresu I'm actually interested in hearing more about Shien itself
***** thanks for a better analysis of the form and giving us a better look at it. The description of the form does not do it justice in my book. You shed some light on it as being more than just a blaster deflection technique, good work.
If I remember correctly, Jensaarai1, didn't you once mention that you were a fan of the Coruscant Nights series? I'd be very interested in seeing you use Jax Pavan (Preferably as he was toward the end of The Last Jedi, with all the knowledge of Ramage's holocron and his pyronium). His abilities were rather unique, and I'd love to see him used in a Versus video.
It may be very hard to figure out but it be interesting to see the Emperor's Wrath versus Darth Nox. I'm a tad sad you will never touch Revan though Jensaarai1. You do the best versus because of your attention to detail something I highly appreciate. And I've really like to see Revan versus Caedus. Both seemed pretty over powered. I loved this video though. Many lately are easy to predict who the winner is. Yours makes us wonder to the end. Would you consider some older known characters like Ludo Kressh, Cay Qel-Droma, Sylvar vs Ulic Qel-Droma?
Luminara Unduli is underrated and is in tier 3, her force powers in terms of magnitude have matched council masters (matched Ventress's push/held up a massive cave in) and she also applies deft and creative application in combat with tk. In lightsaber skill she matched early clone wars Ventress and was even driving her back near the end of the fight to which Ventress attempted a force push in frustration to break her momentum.
Great video as always. Your analysises are both entertaining and insightful and even when I disagree with your conclusion, I respect the opinion. I've seen most of your videos and I notice you haven't used Darth Nihulus yet. Please use him. Such an interesting character shouldn't be left unused, I think. May the force be with you, always.
Given how little representation characters from The Old Republic get (And the fact that I very seldom see them winning these things), I was pretty surprised to see this.
Awesome video, really cool match up. I'd love to see someone use Neeja Halcyon in a video (hint, hint ;p). I think his force abilities would constitute an interesting section and his lightsaber abilities can't be too shabby, being trained as a guardian. :D *fingers crossed*
Once again, even though he lost, Master Darach (behind maybe Xendor himself) is the greatest jar'kai user i've 'ever' seen. Damn i love watching him fight.
great job Jen! loved it. a suggestion for a you: Not a vs video (I do love those though), but instead a profile series. You could call for a vote of no... wait that's not it, hold on. (rummage, rummage) ah! here it is! ok, so, you could profile the seven forms and some of their wielders through the ages, or you could pick a certain character and analyze them and their combat capabilities and tendencies on the whole rather than compared to only one other individual. Your critical thinking and analytics are what I love about your videos. food for thought. thanks.
Lord Vindican is definitely one of my new favorite Sith Lords and Force Users. He has such a perfect style that I admire, being so adept at defending and riposting even against a superior duelist and wise warrior. I firmly believe that Kao Sen Durach would have beaten Vindican in a vacuum but it’d be a very long and drawn out battle. Mustafar duel levels, Vindican’s occasional wins due to Durach tiring out. Vindican’s stamina is inhuman, very similar to Kenobi in that sense. The fact that after being impaled he CRAWLED a significant distance without any help or treatment from his stab wound to the end of the hanger is baffling. His stamina wasn’t limitless but pray for those who would attempt to wear him down in a war of attrition. Definitely deserves a lot of praise and respect for being a politician/Inquisitor and still having an INCREDIBLE ability as a martial artist. I hope we see more of him because he’s an amazing character even though shortly lived. Similar to Qui-gon in a way.
I was originally inclined to believe Vindican a Niman practitioner, but your remarks do make sense. I wonder why he would not choose to better his application of Force into his lightsaber sequences, seeing as how powerful he clearly is in the Force. I am not sure that I agree with the assessment that a saber staff has an advantage over a lightsaber, except perhaps in the defensive field. Unlike dual sabers, a saber staff is still limited to one strike at a time and really requires an extreme amount of flexibility and mobility to use. We also have never seen a saber staff wielder win a duel outright besides Darth Maul, and that was largely due to his superior endurance, in my opinion. I really love this pairing. Don't know why it took me forever to find the video. Keep it up!
Rebels retconned her death as well. Turns out she survived Kashyyk, but was taken, and held for execution aboard an Imperial prison camp years later, her holorecording and rotting corpse provided as bait to draw in former Padawan Caleb Dume, now going by the name Kanan Jarrus, by a member of the Inquisitorius simply known as the Inquisitor into a trap. The trap was unsuccessful as Dume was able to outwit the Inquisitor with the help of his soon-to-be Padawan Ezra Bridger, and he escaped. In subsequent episodes, Master Yoda would elevate Dume to the rank of Jedi Knight as he continued to mentor Ezra in the ways of the Force. I am addressing this since you posted this only a month ago and the Rebels episode, Rise of the Old Masters, has been out for months before that.
***** except so far it hasn't really ignored much of the EU beyond the fates of Luminara and Depa Billaba, with the Inquisitorius, Sienaar Fleet Systems, Femme Troopers, Kaiburr Crystals (literally they flat out adapted Splinter of the Mind's Eye in a recent episode) and the like. Also in the new novels, Femme Troopers, The Darth Bane Trilogy, the Darth Plagueis novel, and large chunks of Old Republic-introduced star systems were carried over. To just ignore changes regardless of your tastes of them or not is callous, unprofessional, and frankly, pretty ignorant. One thing a Jedi should never be is ignorant. Afterall, There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge. Just because the story group chooses to re-adjust established continuity, doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge that it happened.
***** uhhh, not really, I'm just enjoying Star Wars continuing on whatever form it may take. Might wanna scale back the butthurt mate, you make great videos, no need for that. So yeah, you are being rather ignorant. This is fiction, shit can be retconned and altered in a moment's notice, DC and Marvel Comics have been doing it for decades, yet the stories still get seen and adored by generation after generation. Plus, AS an EU fan myself, I am also the first to admit there are TONS of stories that were goofy as all hell. The Glove of Darth Vader? Half of the New Jedi Order book series? Large chunks of Tales of the Jedi that had little to do with Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, or the Sunriders? KOTOR 2? Dark Empire? Jedi Academy Trilogy? Yeesh. So what if they are "cherrypicking", so far all they've done is mild cleanup. They haven't done anything so massive where people warrant a "NO! BAD Lucasfilm!" and no, I personally think that Karen Traviss had it coming when her attitude towards the Star Wars mythos beyond her trying to make the Mandalorians the superheroes of Star Wars, thus getting changed because George wasn't crazy about it in his world so he altered it, though kept a few bits here and there he did like. If anybody is in denial here, it's you because published, released, and highly rated with millions of viewers TV shows would beg to differ versus the perhaps hundred thousand copies of the comic book that portrayed the death of Luminara Unduli sold. So no, Luminara was captured, tried, offered up as a sacrificial lamb, THEN died, before being used as a trap for the crew of the Ghost, notably Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger.
I honestly can see both of you guy's points, but this is just my two cents. I've always thought of most of the eu books as what if books like with the line of comics that marvel has done in the past. The what ifs are like after Return of the Jedi. For awhile there nobody thought they'd ever make any new star wars movies so the books/comics sprang up. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the eu stuff except for the "Darth Krayt stuff"(sorry people, I just didn't care for it much at all and the only character I liked at all was Talon cause I like twilek force users.) I know people are upset over the eu, but I like that they're putting in some new ideas as well. At first I didn't think I'd like Rebels then I sat down watched a couple of episodes and was hooked. I love how they used Luminara as bait to lure jedi that had survived order 66. That's exactly something the empire would do. You have to admit though its cool that they're at least they're using ideas from the eu instead of completely writing it off. There's always the possibility of some of the eu characters showing up in the movies even if its a small part. Oh, and, Jensaarai for a future vs video, take a look at the Dread Masters from star wars the old republic game. They're an interesting bunch of sith.
***** Everyone has something different that got them into Star Wars, mine, was seeing Empire Strikes Back as a little kid in the theatre being absolutely wowed by the story, characters, everything. For me, it was all about the characters of Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader and the whole storyline. That and I absolutely love at-ats and tie-fighters shooting things up. The EU for me is basically icing on the cake. I understand you like the whole world-building and its like dungeons and dragons and their various realm expansions and all that. Just wondering on Rebels, have you watched any of it at all or do you automatically assume its horrible because its Disney? As far as future movies, I'm going to watch them with an open mind. Maybe they'll be bad. Maybe they'll be good. I find if you go in to watch something before hand not open at all, you're going to hate it completely not matter what's in it. To anyone out there, I'd invite them to give Rebels a chance, at least a season or two and see where it leads. I remember people hating the Clone Wars series when it first came out too, but people began to like it. Most of it I liked, except a few things like Darth Maul should've stayed dead, etc, but hey who didn't like Darth Sidious scenes with them, especially when he mopped the floor with two of them. Anyways, kudos on all your vs series. I've watched them all and enjoy them quite well. Here's an idea for a battle royale so to speak, The Sith Council vs the Dread Masters(from the swtor game.) That would be an interesting battle for sure!
***** except so far, the new material hasn't proven to be any different or less fun than the content that has come before. I admit, having the EU is what kept Star Wars alive and breathing for me, but one of my biggest gripes with other Star Wars fans is when they claim to be fans of all things Star Wars, then refuse to accept the new content that came before, even if doing so might contradict it, and before the new canon purge, there were 5 forms of canon. Yes, most remained C-Canon, but we always knew there was going to be more content that overruled it, so why should we be shocked? It's basically now everything going forward is G-Canon. And why do I hate when other Star Wars fans do this? Because they are also the same people who shit over OT purists who refuse to accept the PT and the EU for "not taking in all things Star Wars." And yet they turn around and do the same thing to the new content. Bottom line, you do great reviews, but trying to shunt new material because it isn't what you may not know (though there is nothing really major, and let's face it, Luminara, Ventress, and the like are C-lister characters at best to begin with, that has been changed.), it makes it no less viable, and no less Star Wars. Now when we see legit Mickey fucking Mouse running around and going "LOOK AT ME! I'M A JEDI FELLAS!" and have a lightsaber duel with Darth Deadpool (*vomit*) THEN I will scream vitrol and bile, but so far that has not happened considering their work with Marvel has been hands off and still fantastic, at least cinematically, while their comic division has continued to be a mixed bag aka. no change.
***** Though apparently you believe Yoda to be extremely poor at integrating force-based attacks into his lightsaber combat too, despite Yoda being a confirmed master of Niman?
I've always like how you always use halo music in these videos and it fits too.Halo and star wars go really well together don't they.Oh and great vid loved it awesome way to spend my lunch break
I have another idea for a versus series match that I recommended to Antoine Bandele and I wanted to get your opinion on it. The first ever handicap match: Darth Maul and Count Dooku vs Sidious. I would like to hear what YOU think about it.
The problem I see with this partnership, is neither Maul or Dooku like each other or could work well together. Sidious would mop the floor with them, as he is more powerful in every way, and he would know each and every one of his student's weaknesses.
Josh Campbell The assumption is that they already have a reason to work together to bring down Sidious. The point of most everyone's versus video is to only compare characters' powers and abilities in combat, not factor in for example, how well certain characters would work together... unless otherwise specified.
TinyTorah Alright, lets assume they are working together, of their own free will. Their styles still clash and make it hard for each other to use it to it's greatest effectiveness. Dooku relies on his blade control and footwork, while Maul is a wild dervish. And Palpatine would be able to use it to his advantage and only face one of them at a time.
If anything, Adi Gallia could be described as either diet Anakin or pumped up Aayla Secura. Aggressive and dynamic Form V practitioner, with Form IV as a supplement.
***** Hey! I'm a big fan of your videos. I really like your analytic process, especially when tackling people we don't have much info about. I had two questions for you: 1. My own form would be Djem So with influences from Ataru and Niman. Much like Darth Malgus using the ataru influence for mobility. I would basically be a mix of Malgus and Kao Cen Darach. How do you think this mix would work? 2. What do you think would happen if the Sith from the SW:TOR era were matched up against the Jedi Order from Ep. 1-3
it would be cool to see one of these feature a non-sith/jedai such as boba fett or dirge. but once again another good versus video. always nice too see these in the subs.
Would you possible do Emperor's Wrath (2nd, not Scourge) ? It's player character which would certainly make it hard but you can still gather much more info on him than on Vindican. And measure his capabilities by jedies he killed (kicked Revan's ass also). Also you can see how he fights ingame (some animations are almost same as Malguses when he fights kao cen darach with two sabers). For example you can tell for certain that he used Juyo and Ataru. And all his abilities like forcechoke are also known.
I would like to know who would be a good match up for Rahm Kota I have not seen him any VS match and I think his unique background would prove to be an interesting analysis.
+Jensaarai1 Well I'm not sure if you do versus series with non force users such ad General Grievous, but a versus video featuring him would be very cool. There are many eligible oponents that could match him such as characters from the jedi civil war erra and from the SWTOR and KOTOR erras. I can see that you would be hesitant to do this especially wth tcl characters because many eligible opponents have exchanged words with or at least know of him during that time
I would very much like to see a Krayt vs Vader battle. Both former jedi from the Clone Wars from Tatooine who grew up to become Sith Lords. Please someone get on this!
This would be a fitting one, but I think Vader has no chance against Krayt. He is as good as a swordsman and far beyond Vader in force abilities and to top that of his force lightning is pretty strong.
NoHarmony I would disagree. For one before becoming Sith Anakin bested A-Sharad in a duel on Tatooine. Also, Vader learned from one of the greatest force wielders of all time Darth Sidious, as well as Kenobi.
theYoungNation I may be wrong but if I remember correctly you mix something up. A Sharad battled Kenobi on Tatooine, he was with Anakin on another Desert planet and as far as I know Skywalker got angry at him but they did not really duel each other. And beyond that: Skywalker became Darth Vader, he refined his swordtechnique and became a lot more creative with his force powers. He may have learned from Sidious but his abilities were still very hampered by the fact that he lost all his limbs. Also, Kenobi was not a great force user. A Sharad became Darth Krayt, learned from Bane, Revan and a whole lot of other Sith, he survived for centuries, built his own Sith Order... by the time he was a Jedi he was only a pretty average guy but by the time he was a Sith Lord he might be comparable to Darth Sidious. And Vader would have no chance against someone as potent as Sidious. Vader may be the greatest Jedi killer and may also have had the potential to become the most powerful force user of all time but against Krayt what is left of that potential can not compete with Krayt. In a lightsaberduel there may be a draw, maybe even a very slight advantage for Vader but once forcepowers come into play this fight is over. I would say the chance that he beats Krayt is near 0.
NoHarmony Krayt merely learned from holocrons. No room for technique improvement or the master's views or Krayt's abilities. Also, Bane, Nihilus and Andeddu And educ refused to teach Krayt as he defied their individual methods for a Sith empire, such as defiying the rule of two. It was on Tatooine, however it was Kenobi whom he fought with. He defeated Aurra Sing, had bounty hunter training and Anakin nearly killed him out of hatred of the sand people. Whilst Krayt may have used Sith techniques to extend his life. In his most powerful age he was elderly, weak even. Vader at his most powerful would be elderly, sure, but wise and strong. I'm sure Vader would win. Don't doubt Kenobi's ability to teach, he was the greatest Soresu user ever. Sidious on the other hand flooded Vader with knowledge of the dark side, he was all-enpowering.
theYoungNation Comparing Anakin to A Sharad does nothing to decide this contest. Vader changed and A Sharad changed even more which is saying something. Vader was a great Jedi killer with much more experience, thats an advantage for him. But in all other areas Krayt is on par or better that Vader. Even if we assume that Krayts force lightning is not strong enough to kill Vader (which I doubt since he is so damn powerful) he is still the superior one. But I guess this discussion leads us nowhere. Of course Jensaarai could always end it but telling us what he thinks :D
I have never thought about this matchup but it was quite interesting and I agree on the verdict. How about letting Undulis Padawan Barriss Offee fight against Zayne Carrick? Would this be a fair one?
i have suggested this before and sorry for bugging you again but personally i would love to see obi-wan vs kao sen deratch if you think it will be a fair match up. thankyou :)
***** You are the heroe your triumph of the clusterfucking maze of the canonique sources.. jen.. I have to admit it.. I love you, make more vidéo. XD !
Versus Request: Jerec vs Darth Malak. There are similarities in their stories, assume power over an empire then delve into greater sources of power and define the dark side for the game. + I think the old republic is a tribute to dark forces since the the first mention of dromund kaas was in mysteries of the sith, the decision making between light/dark, and the development of your force abilities. Please try to resist comparing Malak to Sora Bulk; Juyo charge with no tact. Malak's powers and abilities are clear on his page, and Jerec's abilities as well. (most notably his command of force destruction which I speculate is a self summoned version of exar kunns emulate)
I have a question that has been bugging me for a while. What exactly are the Jensaarai? I know they are Force users of their own order, but of all the research I did on Wookiepedia, I was unable to find any good info, as in whether or not they are more light side or dark side, what their general actions are, etc.
"Quit the fight" sounds a little harsh, she didn't particularly want to leave, but Kao Cen Darach made sure she did so she could warn the Republic. Anyone who didn't know her history here might judge her as a coward.
Another great video im amazed at how much information you manage to get out of clips like the Swtor trailers. Honesty before seeing this video i would of said Luminara would win but you've persuaded me otherwise. keep up the good work.
I agree with the video, just wanted to point out that Vindicans and say Jinns injuries are not necessarily comparable. A stab in the chest is not just a stab in the chest in some cases, while such a wound would always be extremely critical irl due to bloodloss, with lightsabers the exact place is of more importance. Recovering from a stab that destroyed the heart in comparison to say the spleen or kidneys are very different things.
+Jensaarai Who would win: Darth Bane or Plagueis? I feel both benefited from the policy of keeping the presence of the Sith unknown to the jedi, which allowed both to expand their abilities to their limit, but Bane balanced his dedication to both lightsaber combat and his force abilities; Plagueis chose to disregard lightsaber combat and focussed his training only on his force abilities.
I been waiting for more info on one of my favorite Jedi Luminara Unduli. I will say that I agree with some of your assessments but I will say that the fight between her and Ventress was more a TV thing of her losing and not her skill. I believe if it were real if you will that Master Unduli would have prevailed.
I agree if the fight was on even ground Luminara may have pulled ahead narrowly but remember that was pre prime Ventress and off Ventress's own record she has defeated Kit Fisto, General Grievous (canon), held her own against clone wars Anakin and Obi Wan at the same time and gotten the better of them each individually in particular fight sequences, held her own against upper level council masters Mace Windu and Plo Koon as well as her own master Dooku. So Luminara doing as well as she did is still a huge accomplishment even if she was beaten in a close fight. Luminara is underrated and definitely on the level with several Jedi council masters even if she isn't on the body herself.
J. S. B. You know the very original Sith Lords were fallen Jedi, right? They taught their forms to the Sith species when they met and took control of them, and the knowledge was passed down over the centuries.
I was told your a fan of LOTR so i am going to make a suggestion i made to Antoine Bandele who told me you are a fan. I don't know if you do crossovers but what do you think of DARTH SIDIOUS vs SAURON ? now i am going to Subscribe to you again because i keep getting un-subscribed from people.
Another great vs video. Would you consider doing a Sidious vs Plagueis match up? Would really be a good match up and hard to call IMO. Also if you are considering requests I would like to see a Kolar vs Koth or Maul (I think an all zabrak fight would be cool though not sure Kolar is enough of a match up for Maul so Koth may be more worthwhile as a vs) and also Saesee Tiin vs Ki Adi Mundi (two long serving council members who never appear in vs series) Would also love to see team vs of Maul and Dooku vs Windu and Fisto or Windu and Yoda vs Dooku and Sidious Anyway some ideas for you. Hope you consider some of them.
hey Jensaarai I have an idea for a crossover fight you could do. why not do Khan Noonian Singh vs Mitth'raw'nuruodo a.k.a Grand Admiral Thrawn. It would be fun to see 2 of the greatest strategic minds in Sci-Fi take each other on.
Palpatine/Darth Sidious vs Exar Kun. Both are absolute top tier lightsaber duelists and force wielders. I think it would be intersting to see how Palpatine's natural abilities contends with Kun's sorcerery and alchemy as well as both of their magnitudes with said abilities. What do you think?
Darth Sion vs Darth Plagueis? They were both Sith who seeked immortality/the secrets of life itself. Although Plagueis mainly seeked to resurrect others and Sion looked out for himself, both tried to play god. I think a fight would be interesting.
An improvisational fighter rather than a tactical one? Kind of reminds me of Qui-Gon Jinn and his philosophy of “living in the moment”. Vindican vs Qui-Gon Jinn?
Would we ever get to see other SWTOR sith such as Darth Baras or Darth Thanaton, or some of the Old Republic individuals such as Darth Malak vs other Clone Wars Era jedi?
In this video you mentioned the natural Force affinities of the two races. I'm curious if you would consider a racial affinity for the Force to be an advantage (ie. a Sith pureblood fighting a Jedi of a race with no noted affinity for the Force) even if the two combatants appeared to have similarly powerful force abilities.
Always nice to see Vindican and Luminara in a video
Yup. This is pretty great. I love the integration of the discussion. Rather then discuss them separately you integrated them side by side very well.
hi Antoine!
Vindican is the embodiment of Niman really. He can do all the regular party tricks, but can't do any one of them at a really high level. The lightsaber fight with he, Malgus, Kao Cen Darach, and Satile Shan is my third favourite Star Wars fight ever.
No. He isn’t. He ISN’T even a niman specialist.
@@dazdavis7896 I never said he was. But, yes, he is as a character the embodiment of Niman. THe middling form.
This is why I enjoy watching these videos, the people who make Lightsaber duel videos pay so much attention and understanding of how Jedi and Sith fight. Vindican was in 1 video and you were able to cut piece, by piece of each technique. I looked at a lot of this videos and think, "Well this is kinda one sided.", but just all the facts given, prove me wrong almost every time.
I only trust jen and the other experts to do it. Anybody else who attempts these is biased, don't know much of the characters, or is completely inept.
@@lapplandkun9273 lmao. Are you serious. He’s not biased? Or inept? He cries about anything regarding TCW, literally cries about it. It’s embarrassing. He’s a hypocrite. He makes a big deal about things that are literally negligible.
Every single one of these versus series fanboys, are blatant NJO fanboys that use their own headcanons above actual confirmed sources & content.
@@dazdavis7896 loser,
"Diet can of Sith", maybe next he should fight Plo Koon next? Diet Sith vs. Diet Jedi
IMO, Plo Koon was quite exceptional. I like Vindican very much, but he’s not good enough.
@@adamdonahue2079 I believe you to be correct
Yikes that’s a hot take
@@thepriorstone4064 I think he's referring to when Connor (Jensaarai1) called Plo Koon, "a diet can of Darth Vader" in regards to lightsaber technique.
Jensaarai One, you do an EXCELLENT JOB describing Luminara's power and saber skills. I've heard a lot of Luminara idiology coming from a lot of Luminara haters.
this was very creative i never thought much of luminara or vindican. its nice to see and learn more about these underated charaters nice video and keep it up.
I like to think of Luminara as being in a similar mold to Eeth Koth and Tholme. They all share similar Niman-esque styles, but how they apply them it's the key. Luminara is strictly a strategist who comes with a plan beforehand, Koth goes with the flow and adapts, Tholme is both capable of long terms plans and adapting and improvising on the spot.
Until this video I didn't know Luminara used Makashi and shien. I alway saw her as a Form 3 soresu specialist.
Through Vindican (though not officially confirmed) gave me an idea of what shien with the Saber staff looks like.
@@baki484 The more you know, yes. Another case similar to Vindican is Kazdan Paratus, who uses saber pike-based Shien.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Does Luminara also use ataru? I'm basing this analysis on Barris' application of Jar Kai in TCW and Luminara herself when she fought TCW Ventress.
It seems a lot of jedi use Ataru as a primary or they supplement it with other forms or vice versa. It's a recurring theme I've noticed.
@@baki484 Likely yes, Connor does mention it here in this video iirc.
For Barris, I'd rather stick to her EU self, using the fight against Separatist droids on Illum from the 2003 microseries, as her TCW self gets an unexplained, plot-convenient Dark Side boost.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 I understand. Hey I saw your comment on the Calorusmagus' vs video (was able to finish it work my through him over explaining the real world logistics and different mediums). I chimed in and had a debate with him on the subject of the combatants in question. I think worries way too much with real world implications and differing mediums as opposed to looking at the medium as whole (it's a bit of a read if you're interested in reading the back and forth).
On the subject of Barris I understand also in the EU she was Depicted as solely a pacifist combatant so soresu she was also incorporating force abilities like the when she was performing the circle of shelter she used the force to loosen the stalactites.
Couldn't agree more. Force Lightning is quite the wild card when used properly.
Something you may want to note is that mixing force abilities with lightsaber sequences is a prime element in Niman and a study in this form for this purpose should not be overlooked as it is an effective tactic that has been practiced throughout Star Wars history
Oh man, I started giving an evil laugh when I saw who the victor was! Luminara is no match for a pureblood of the resurgent Sith Empire!
Keep at it with the new characters, man. You're doing good.
i laugh my balls off as well
"Sloppy"
I was interested in seeing a video like this. Luminara is one of my favorite EU jedi (along with Shaak Ti, Kit Fisto, Yareal Poof, and Depa Bilaba-- among others)
Thanks again for all the time and effort you put into your versus videos. This one was excellent just like the others! Keep doing what you're doing!
Vindican? More like Vindican't!
*cough* Sorry, I couldn't resist.
lol
OK Jensaarai, if you can use Vindican, you can use Darth Marr. I want to see the longest serving member of the old Dark Council versus someone equally beefy.
***** Well crap. My next suggestion was going to be Revan, but based on your response, I assume he can't be conclusively pinned down technically either, seeing as how the player controls his stats and abilities.
Also, I'm sure you get Revan all the time.
***** yes pls don't unless they make a proper movie after him lol
Seeing you write "the longest serving member of the Dark Council", I seem to remember that was Vowrawn, but I don't recall where I might have that from, so I could be mixing that up. Could you point me to where Marr is cited as such? Just being curious and not connected with the suggestion at all. :)
*****
Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to ech0six's opening post. :)
***** Just out of curiosity, why wouldn´t you use Revan?
Jensarai, you should make a awesome fanfic. Not only because star wars need it, but also you have everything for do it.
And awesome narrator voice, creativity(a lot more then the guy from rebels) and a huge knowledge of the star wars mitos
I have to say, I've come to expect excellence from this channel, but this far exceeded my expectations. Well done.
"A diet can of sith lord"
Best description ever XD
Anyway, do you plan to do anything with Darth Treya or is she too OP?
***** Alright can't wait :)
You should do eeth koth and quigon jiin vs yureal poof and oppo rancisis
Eeth koth vs qui Gon Jinn will be on my channel in two days
Ok that’s cool I guess
i love how you present topics like this. it sounds professional, well researched, and unbiased. great job!
Impressive! It's quite intriguing what you tend to find when you break the clips into frame by frame. I completely didn't see Vindican's major weaknesses (such as the lack of a defined stance and posture) until you reviewed that clip frame by frame. Interesting battle indeed!
I really liked this one. Twas fun and, I believe, quite accurate. I do believe, however, that Lord Vindacin's lightsaber style was Form 6, not Form 5. Albeit strongly flavored by Forms 2 and 5. I believe this because of his strong ability to improvise and chain in Force attacks, the two strongest traits of Form 6. His balanced offense and defence come from Form 5, I do believe you are correct. However, he seems to have higher agility and mobility than Form 5 normally allows, as well as very precise blade work. This is why I believe his theoritical Form 6 is strongly flavored by Form 2. Regardless, this one was excellent.
So it seems to me by the way you have laid out this fight that force lightning in and of itself gives the Sith an advantage over the Jedi. It's too bad more Jedi don't have Plo Koon's mentality towards this. Excellent video and analysis as always.
Nice video, I actually came into the video thinking the Luminara would win, however your arguments eventually convinced me that Vindican would be the likely winner. Good Job.
thanks for your efforts. I can imagine how time consuming it is to make these vids. It does NOT go unnoticed. Now l will lazily sit here and critique said hard work like the d-bag that I am.
really enjoy your versus series, great job and research
Cant wait to watch this Thanks for all the vs Vids Jensarri!!!
Cool vid Jensaarai, nice to see some newer/lesser known characters on the VS line up.
Once again my friend, a very sound assessment in all categories. Full points from me. :-)
I love this one simply cause it really shows how much work you put into these
Plo Koon V.S Darth Maul. Maul always wanted to fight Koon Lets see how he would fair
I think Antoine Bandele might do that. I've always wanted to know to.
Plo Koon would win.
i argee, but to be fair Darth Maul would not die immediately.
Maul should win. Plo lost to Savage.
Plo Koon would win.
If you want to use more new characters, how about:
Rahm Kota vs Ki Adi Mundi
Quinlan Vos vs Kyle Katarn
Darth Malak vs Desann
I think that kota probably has little to no chance.Vos would probably get stomped since katarn is arround dooku's level and he dominated vos.Tbh I don't know about the last one.
Mundi
Kyle
Malak
@@Aintnoonewatching why does Kota have little to no chance? I'm not necessarily arguing that he would win but it's certainly a possibility
@@tiredjediknight3110 as far as i know kota while a capable duelist is prone to the weaknesses of form 7 namely weak defense capacity .Since Kid Adi is a form 5 specialist and counters are one of the form's strengths he could take adavantage of that weakness easily. Beyond that I consider him the superior martial artist which would only make the advantage more prevalent.
As far as the force goes well,I think it is safe to consider that he has the edge as well.Furthermore Mundi has other abilities like force healing and an overall better grasp of the force
In the end I just don't think kota has any real advantages to capitalise on
@@Aintnoonewatching is Ki Adi Mundi a confirmed form 5 specialist? Because I'm fairly sure he was proficient in forms 2-4. At least as far as the legends continuity goes. And while Juyo is a primarily offensive form it has to be built off the mastery of multiple other forms, in Kota's case almost certainly form 5, at least the shien variant. To be fair Ki Adi may well be the superior lightsaber duellist given his demonstrations against grievous and Ventress but there were other circumstances in play in those fights.
I do however disagree on their force abilities. Kota has demonstrated masterful command and variety in regards to Telekinesis, skill in Tutaminis, skill in the healing arts and force barriers strong enough to repel lightsaber blades.
If there's an edge to capitalise on that could well be it for Kota
Nice to see the Shien form represented well in a duel. From what you're suggesting in Vindican and pre-knight Anakin's depictions it operates like a sort of proto-Niman in the "jack of all trades" role minus the integration of force powers, takes the fight to the opponent while retaining mobility and isn't nearly as prone to exhausting the user as Ataru or Juyo are. It also appears to be the best option for blast deflection too so I'm not sure why this form is so underrated as a primary style.
My theory is that Shien was developed first and makes up the bulk of a Form V specialist's technique since it solves most of the problems that Djem So (which specializes in saber-to-saber and close combat) doesn't really have an answer for. But yeah Djem So is clearly the discerning Jedi killer's choice if Vader, Bane and Malgus are anything to go by.
I think part of the reason Shien isn't as seen as its brother, Djem So, is because when the form is described.... All that is ever mentioned is that it was focused on blaster deflection, is weak against single opponents, that practitioners have a thing for reverse hand grips and recently (relatively speaking) I've heard it described as Soresu applied with a Makashi mentality.
However, you don't generally hear much about how Shien does in saber to saber combat. And it seems as though Djem So was developed for Form V since Shien wasn't good enough for the practice. In fact, this video is the first time I've heard anything about how Shien can be applied in saber to saber combat... I've always heard it used for aimed blast deflect and wasn't as passive as Soresu
I'm actually interested in hearing more about Shien itself
***** thanks for a better analysis of the form and giving us a better look at it. The description of the form does not do it justice in my book. You shed some light on it as being more than just a blaster deflection technique, good work.
Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker vs Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr
Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Kas'im
Darth Maul vs Asajj Ventress
Darth Maul vs Ventress? Not even a contest. Maul would kill her so fast.
If I remember correctly, Jensaarai1, didn't you once mention that you were a fan of the Coruscant Nights series? I'd be very interested in seeing you use Jax Pavan (Preferably as he was toward the end of The Last Jedi, with all the knowledge of Ramage's holocron and his pyronium). His abilities were rather unique, and I'd love to see him used in a Versus video.
It may be very hard to figure out but it be interesting to see the Emperor's Wrath versus Darth Nox. I'm a tad sad you will never touch Revan though Jensaarai1. You do the best versus because of your attention to detail something I highly appreciate. And I've really like to see Revan versus Caedus. Both seemed pretty over powered. I loved this video though. Many lately are easy to predict who the winner is. Yours makes us wonder to the end. Would you consider some older known characters like Ludo Kressh, Cay Qel-Droma, Sylvar vs Ulic Qel-Droma?
Luminara Unduli is underrated and is in tier 3, her force powers in terms of magnitude have matched council masters (matched Ventress's push/held up a massive cave in) and she also applies deft and creative application in combat with tk. In lightsaber skill she matched early clone wars Ventress and was even driving her back near the end of the fight to which Ventress attempted a force push in frustration to break her momentum.
No way she's Tier 3. Besides, that's TCW Ventress, not the devastatingly effective Dark Horse Comics/CW '03 Ventress.
Great video as always. Your analysises are both entertaining and insightful and even when I disagree with your conclusion, I respect the opinion. I've seen most of your videos and I notice you haven't used Darth Nihulus yet. Please use him. Such an interesting character shouldn't be left unused, I think. May the force be with you, always.
Given how little representation characters from The Old Republic get (And the fact that I very seldom see them winning these things), I was pretty surprised to see this.
I never even noticed Darach deflecting that lightning towards Malgus xD Even though I watched the trailer many times!
Awesome video, really cool match up. I'd love to see someone use Neeja Halcyon in a video (hint, hint ;p). I think his force abilities would constitute an interesting section and his lightsaber abilities can't be too shabby, being trained as a guardian. :D *fingers crossed*
Nicely done, as always ;)
Once again, even though he lost, Master Darach (behind maybe Xendor himself) is the greatest jar'kai user i've 'ever' seen. Damn i love watching him fight.
great job Jen! loved it. a suggestion for a you: Not a vs video (I do love those though), but instead a profile series. You could call for a vote of no... wait that's not it, hold on. (rummage, rummage) ah! here it is! ok, so, you could profile the seven forms and some of their wielders through the ages, or you could pick a certain character and analyze them and their combat capabilities and tendencies on the whole rather than compared to only one other individual. Your critical thinking and analytics are what I love about your videos. food for thought. thanks.
Lord Vindican is definitely one of my new favorite Sith Lords and Force Users. He has such a perfect style that I admire, being so adept at defending and riposting even against a superior duelist and wise warrior. I firmly believe that Kao Sen Durach would have beaten Vindican in a vacuum but it’d be a very long and drawn out battle. Mustafar duel levels, Vindican’s occasional wins due to Durach tiring out. Vindican’s stamina is inhuman, very similar to Kenobi in that sense. The fact that after being impaled he CRAWLED a significant distance without any help or treatment from his stab wound to the end of the hanger is baffling. His stamina wasn’t limitless but pray for those who would attempt to wear him down in a war of attrition. Definitely deserves a lot of praise and respect for being a politician/Inquisitor and still having an INCREDIBLE ability as a martial artist. I hope we see more of him because he’s an amazing character even though shortly lived. Similar to Qui-gon in a way.
I was originally inclined to believe Vindican a Niman practitioner, but your remarks do make sense. I wonder why he would not choose to better his application of Force into his lightsaber sequences, seeing as how powerful he clearly is in the Force. I am not sure that I agree with the assessment that a saber staff has an advantage over a lightsaber, except perhaps in the defensive field. Unlike dual sabers, a saber staff is still limited to one strike at a time and really requires an extreme amount of flexibility and mobility to use. We also have never seen a saber staff wielder win a duel outright besides Darth Maul, and that was largely due to his superior endurance, in my opinion. I really love this pairing. Don't know why it took me forever to find the video. Keep it up!
Rebels retconned her death as well. Turns out she survived Kashyyk, but was taken, and held for execution aboard an Imperial prison camp years later, her holorecording and rotting corpse provided as bait to draw in former Padawan Caleb Dume, now going by the name Kanan Jarrus, by a member of the Inquisitorius simply known as the Inquisitor into a trap. The trap was unsuccessful as Dume was able to outwit the Inquisitor with the help of his soon-to-be Padawan Ezra Bridger, and he escaped. In subsequent episodes, Master Yoda would elevate Dume to the rank of Jedi Knight as he continued to mentor Ezra in the ways of the Force.
I am addressing this since you posted this only a month ago and the Rebels episode, Rise of the Old Masters, has been out for months before that.
***** except so far it hasn't really ignored much of the EU beyond the fates of Luminara and Depa Billaba, with the Inquisitorius, Sienaar Fleet Systems, Femme Troopers, Kaiburr Crystals (literally they flat out adapted Splinter of the Mind's Eye in a recent episode) and the like. Also in the new novels, Femme Troopers, The Darth Bane Trilogy, the Darth Plagueis novel, and large chunks of Old Republic-introduced star systems were carried over. To just ignore changes regardless of your tastes of them or not is callous, unprofessional, and frankly, pretty ignorant.
One thing a Jedi should never be is ignorant. Afterall, There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge. Just because the story group chooses to re-adjust established continuity, doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge that it happened.
***** uhhh, not really, I'm just enjoying Star Wars continuing on whatever form it may take. Might wanna scale back the butthurt mate, you make great videos, no need for that. So yeah, you are being rather ignorant. This is fiction, shit can be retconned and altered in a moment's notice, DC and Marvel Comics have been doing it for decades, yet the stories still get seen and adored by generation after generation.
Plus, AS an EU fan myself, I am also the first to admit there are TONS of stories that were goofy as all hell. The Glove of Darth Vader? Half of the New Jedi Order book series? Large chunks of Tales of the Jedi that had little to do with Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, or the Sunriders? KOTOR 2? Dark Empire? Jedi Academy Trilogy? Yeesh. So what if they are "cherrypicking", so far all they've done is mild cleanup. They haven't done anything so massive where people warrant a "NO! BAD Lucasfilm!" and no, I personally think that Karen Traviss had it coming when her attitude towards the Star Wars mythos beyond her trying to make the Mandalorians the superheroes of Star Wars, thus getting changed because George wasn't crazy about it in his world so he altered it, though kept a few bits here and there he did like.
If anybody is in denial here, it's you because published, released, and highly rated with millions of viewers TV shows would beg to differ versus the perhaps hundred thousand copies of the comic book that portrayed the death of Luminara Unduli sold. So no, Luminara was captured, tried, offered up as a sacrificial lamb, THEN died, before being used as a trap for the crew of the Ghost, notably Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger.
I honestly can see both of you guy's points, but this is just my two cents. I've always thought of most of the eu books as what if books like with the line of comics that marvel has done in the past. The what ifs are like after Return of the Jedi. For awhile there nobody thought they'd ever make any new star wars movies so the books/comics sprang up. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the eu stuff except for the "Darth Krayt stuff"(sorry people, I just didn't care for it much at all and the only character I liked at all was Talon cause I like twilek force users.) I know people are upset over the eu, but I like that they're putting in some new ideas as well. At first I didn't think I'd like Rebels then I sat down watched a couple of episodes and was hooked. I love how they used Luminara as bait to lure jedi that had survived order 66. That's exactly something the empire would do. You have to admit though its cool that they're at least they're using ideas from the eu instead of completely writing it off. There's always the possibility of some of the eu characters showing up in the movies even if its a small part. Oh, and, Jensaarai for a future vs video, take a look at the Dread Masters from star wars the old republic game. They're an interesting bunch of sith.
***** Everyone has something different that got them into Star Wars, mine, was seeing Empire Strikes Back as a little kid in the theatre being absolutely wowed by the story, characters, everything. For me, it was all about the characters of Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader and the whole storyline. That and I absolutely love at-ats and tie-fighters shooting things up. The EU for me is basically icing on the cake. I understand you like the whole world-building and its like dungeons and dragons and their various realm expansions and all that. Just wondering on Rebels, have you watched any of it at all or do you automatically assume its horrible because its Disney? As far as future movies, I'm going to watch them with an open mind. Maybe they'll be bad. Maybe they'll be good. I find if you go in to watch something before hand not open at all, you're going to hate it completely not matter what's in it. To anyone out there, I'd invite them to give Rebels a chance, at least a season or two and see where it leads. I remember people hating the Clone Wars series when it first came out too, but people began to like it. Most of it I liked, except a few things like Darth Maul should've stayed dead, etc, but hey who didn't like Darth Sidious scenes with them, especially when he mopped the floor with two of them. Anyways, kudos on all your vs series. I've watched them all and enjoy them quite well. Here's an idea for a battle royale so to speak, The Sith Council vs the Dread Masters(from the swtor game.) That would be an interesting battle for sure!
***** except so far, the new material hasn't proven to be any different or less fun than the content that has come before. I admit, having the EU is what kept Star Wars alive and breathing for me, but one of my biggest gripes with other Star Wars fans is when they claim to be fans of all things Star Wars, then refuse to accept the new content that came before, even if doing so might contradict it, and before the new canon purge, there were 5 forms of canon. Yes, most remained C-Canon, but we always knew there was going to be more content that overruled it, so why should we be shocked? It's basically now everything going forward is G-Canon.
And why do I hate when other Star Wars fans do this? Because they are also the same people who shit over OT purists who refuse to accept the PT and the EU for "not taking in all things Star Wars." And yet they turn around and do the same thing to the new content.
Bottom line, you do great reviews, but trying to shunt new material because it isn't what you may not know (though there is nothing really major, and let's face it, Luminara, Ventress, and the like are C-lister characters at best to begin with, that has been changed.), it makes it no less viable, and no less Star Wars. Now when we see legit Mickey fucking Mouse running around and going "LOOK AT ME! I'M A JEDI FELLAS!" and have a lightsaber duel with Darth Deadpool (*vomit*) THEN I will scream vitrol and bile, but so far that has not happened considering their work with Marvel has been hands off and still fantastic, at least cinematically, while their comic division has continued to be a mixed bag aka. no change.
Vindican is clearly a form 6 practitioner - think about it - jack of all trades fighter with a non-typical weapon.
***** Though apparently you believe Yoda to be extremely poor at integrating force-based attacks into his lightsaber combat too, despite Yoda being a confirmed master of Niman?
KatakiDoragon despite Yoda having apparently mastered Niman, his preference is Ataru, and it really shows.
I've always like how you always use halo music in these videos and it fits too.Halo and star wars go really well together don't they.Oh and great vid loved it awesome way to spend my lunch break
Another great video, Jensaarai. I really liked the music in this video. :)
That hovering over a miniature dust storm, someone MUST have been tempted to make a fart noise through that.
I have another idea for a versus series match that I recommended to Antoine Bandele and I wanted to get your opinion on it. The first ever handicap match: Darth Maul and Count Dooku vs Sidious. I would like to hear what YOU think about it.
The more I think about this, the more I like the idea. I hope someone does your suggestion.
Yes. I think this would be more suited for Evan, but Jensaraii could pull this off no problem.
The problem I see with this partnership, is neither Maul or Dooku like each other or could work well together. Sidious would mop the floor with them, as he is more powerful in every way, and he would know each and every one of his student's weaknesses.
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The assumption is that they already have a reason to work together to bring down Sidious. The point of most everyone's versus video is to only compare characters' powers and abilities in combat, not factor in for example, how well certain characters would work together... unless otherwise specified.
TinyTorah Alright, lets assume they are working together, of their own free will. Their styles still clash and make it hard for each other to use it to it's greatest effectiveness. Dooku relies on his blade control and footwork, while Maul is a wild dervish. And Palpatine would be able to use it to his advantage and only face one of them at a time.
Can you pit Adi Gallia against someone? Anyone? I'd like to see what your breakdown of her would be?
If anything, Adi Gallia could be described as either diet Anakin or pumped up Aayla Secura. Aggressive and dynamic Form V practitioner, with Form IV as a supplement.
***** Hey! I'm a big fan of your videos. I really like your analytic process, especially when tackling people we don't have much info about. I had two questions for you: 1. My own form would be Djem So with influences from Ataru and Niman. Much like Darth Malgus using the ataru influence for mobility. I would basically be a mix of Malgus and Kao Cen Darach. How do you think this mix would work? 2. What do you think would happen if the Sith from the SW:TOR era were matched up against the Jedi Order from Ep. 1-3
it would be cool to see one of these feature a non-sith/jedai such as boba fett or dirge.
but once again another good versus video. always nice too see these in the subs.
Would you possible do Emperor's Wrath (2nd, not Scourge) ? It's player character which would certainly make it hard but you can still gather much more info on him than on Vindican. And measure his capabilities by jedies he killed (kicked Revan's ass also). Also you can see how he fights ingame (some animations are almost same as Malguses when he fights kao cen darach with two sabers). For example you can tell for certain that he used Juyo and Ataru. And all his abilities like forcechoke are also known.
I would like to know who would be a good match up for Rahm Kota I have not seen him any VS match and I think his unique background would prove to be an interesting analysis.
I freaking love that image of Luminara just slamming her face into the wall! That is hilarious! XD
'one must always be acting never reacting',where did you get that phrase?
Kao Cen Darach vs Lord Kas'im (duel of the Battlemasters)
Siri Tachi vs Anakin Skywalker
+Jensaarai1 Well I'm not sure if you do versus series with non force users such ad General Grievous, but a versus video featuring him would be very cool. There are many eligible oponents that could match him such as characters from the jedi civil war erra and from the SWTOR and KOTOR erras. I can see that you would be hesitant to do this especially wth tcl characters because many eligible opponents have exchanged words with or at least know of him during that time
I would very much like to see a Krayt vs Vader battle. Both former jedi from the Clone Wars from Tatooine who grew up to become Sith Lords. Please someone get on this!
This would be a fitting one, but I think Vader has no chance against Krayt. He is as good as a swordsman and far beyond Vader in force abilities and to top that of his force lightning is pretty strong.
NoHarmony I would disagree. For one before becoming Sith Anakin bested A-Sharad in a duel on Tatooine. Also, Vader learned from one of the greatest force wielders of all time Darth Sidious, as well as Kenobi.
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I may be wrong but if I remember correctly you mix something up. A Sharad battled Kenobi on Tatooine, he was with Anakin on another Desert planet and as far as I know Skywalker got angry at him but they did not really duel each other.
And beyond that: Skywalker became Darth Vader, he refined his swordtechnique and became a lot more creative with his force powers. He may have learned from Sidious but his abilities were still very hampered by the fact that he lost all his limbs. Also, Kenobi was not a great force user.
A Sharad became Darth Krayt, learned from Bane, Revan and a whole lot of other Sith, he survived for centuries, built his own Sith Order... by the time he was a Jedi he was only a pretty average guy but by the time he was a Sith Lord he might be comparable to Darth Sidious. And Vader would have no chance against someone as potent as Sidious. Vader may be the greatest Jedi killer and may also have had the potential to become the most powerful force user of all time but against Krayt what is left of that potential can not compete with Krayt. In a lightsaberduel there may be a draw, maybe even a very slight advantage for Vader but once forcepowers come into play this fight is over.
I would say the chance that he beats Krayt is near 0.
NoHarmony Krayt merely learned from holocrons. No room for technique improvement or the master's views or Krayt's abilities. Also, Bane, Nihilus and Andeddu And educ refused to teach Krayt as he defied their individual methods for a Sith empire, such as defiying the rule of two. It was on Tatooine, however it was Kenobi whom he fought with. He defeated Aurra Sing, had bounty hunter training and Anakin nearly killed him out of hatred of the sand people.
Whilst Krayt may have used Sith techniques to extend his life. In his most powerful age he was elderly, weak even. Vader at his most powerful would be elderly, sure, but wise and strong. I'm sure Vader would win.
Don't doubt Kenobi's ability to teach, he was the greatest Soresu user ever. Sidious on the other hand flooded Vader with knowledge of the dark side, he was all-enpowering.
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Comparing Anakin to A Sharad does nothing to decide this contest. Vader changed and A Sharad changed even more which is saying something.
Vader was a great Jedi killer with much more experience, thats an advantage for him. But in all other areas Krayt is on par or better that Vader. Even if we assume that Krayts force lightning is not strong enough to kill Vader (which I doubt since he is so damn powerful) he is still the superior one.
But I guess this discussion leads us nowhere. Of course Jensaarai could always end it but telling us what he thinks :D
I would like to see obi-wan kenobi vs ulek qel-droma.
Love Jenssaurai's videos. Also GreyJedi91.
Don't forget EvanNova95 .
Clone Captain Gelle And Reti4.
I like the one on Exar Kun vs. Starkiller.
Exar Kun won right?
I have never thought about this matchup but it was quite interesting and I agree on the verdict.
How about letting Undulis Padawan Barriss Offee fight against Zayne Carrick? Would this be a fair one?
i have suggested this before and sorry for bugging you again but personally i would love to see obi-wan vs kao sen deratch if you think it will be a fair match up. thankyou :)
***** You are the heroe your triumph of the clusterfucking maze of the canonique sources.. jen.. I have to admit it.. I love you, make more vidéo. XD !
Versus Request: Jerec vs Darth Malak. There are similarities in their stories, assume power over an empire then delve into greater sources of power and define the dark side for the game. + I think the old republic is a tribute to dark forces since the the first mention of dromund kaas was in mysteries of the sith, the decision making between light/dark, and the development of your force abilities. Please try to resist comparing Malak to Sora Bulk; Juyo charge with no tact. Malak's powers and abilities are clear on his page, and Jerec's abilities as well. (most notably his command of force destruction which I speculate is a self summoned version of exar kunns emulate)
I have a question that has been bugging me for a while. What exactly are the Jensaarai? I know they are Force users of their own order, but of all the research I did on Wookiepedia, I was unable to find any good info, as in whether or not they are more light side or dark side, what their general actions are, etc.
As their stories are similar could you do Freedan Nad VS Ani Skywalker?
"Quit the fight" sounds a little harsh, she didn't particularly want to leave, but Kao Cen Darach made sure she did so she could warn the Republic. Anyone who didn't know her history here might judge her as a coward.
I hate the Handsome Squidward face Luminara has is the Clone Wars Micro Series
how about Celeste Morne vs Darth Zannah(or whom ever you think would make a good match up to Celeste Morne)
Another great video im amazed at how much information you manage to get out of clips like the Swtor trailers. Honesty before seeing this video i would of said Luminara would win but you've persuaded me otherwise. keep up the good work.
you still have ignored my replies and ownage of you in the grievous and revan threads
I agree with the video, just wanted to point out that Vindicans and say Jinns injuries are not necessarily comparable. A stab in the chest is not just a stab in the chest in some cases, while such a wound would always be extremely critical irl due to bloodloss, with lightsabers the exact place is of more importance. Recovering from a stab that destroyed the heart in comparison to say the spleen or kidneys are very different things.
+Jensaarai Who would win: Darth Bane or Plagueis? I feel both benefited from the policy of keeping the presence of the Sith unknown to the jedi, which allowed both to expand their abilities to their limit, but Bane balanced his dedication to both lightsaber combat and his force abilities; Plagueis chose to disregard lightsaber combat and focussed his training only on his force abilities.
Nice job I look forward to more great videos.
I been waiting for more info on one of my favorite Jedi Luminara Unduli. I will say that I agree with some of your assessments but I will say that the fight between her and Ventress was more a TV thing of her losing and not her skill. I believe if it were real if you will that Master Unduli would have prevailed.
Remembering that Ventress was a skilled and experienced Jedi killer. Unduli losing to her isn't the most absurd idea
I agree if the fight was on even ground Luminara may have pulled ahead narrowly but remember that was pre prime Ventress and off Ventress's own record she has defeated Kit Fisto, General Grievous (canon), held her own against clone wars Anakin and Obi Wan at the same time and gotten the better of them each individually in particular fight sequences, held her own against upper level council masters Mace Windu and Plo Koon as well as her own master Dooku. So Luminara doing as well as she did is still a huge accomplishment even if she was beaten in a close fight. Luminara is underrated and definitely on the level with several Jedi council masters even if she isn't on the body herself.
A thought has occurred to me, why would both the jedi and sith have the same lightsaber fighting forms?
J. S. B. You know the very original Sith Lords were fallen Jedi, right? They taught their forms to the Sith species when they met and took control of them, and the knowledge was passed down over the centuries.
I was told your a fan of LOTR so i am going to make a suggestion i made to Antoine Bandele who told me you are a fan. I don't know if you do crossovers but what do you think of DARTH SIDIOUS vs SAURON ? now i am going to Subscribe to you again because i keep getting un-subscribed from people.
Another great vs video.
Would you consider doing a Sidious vs Plagueis match up? Would really be a good match up and hard to call IMO.
Also if you are considering requests I would like to see a Kolar vs Koth or Maul (I think an all zabrak fight would be cool though not sure Kolar is enough of a match up for Maul so Koth may be more worthwhile as a vs) and also Saesee Tiin vs Ki Adi Mundi (two long serving council members who never appear in vs series)
Would also love to see team vs of Maul and Dooku vs Windu and Fisto or Windu and Yoda vs Dooku and Sidious
Anyway some ideas for you. Hope you consider some of them.
Diet can of Sith lord. I love it.
A diet can of Sith Lord? That's a good one
Oh, my! faint HALO 4 music goes so well with Lucas Arts!
hey Jensaarai I have an idea for a crossover fight you could do.
why not do Khan Noonian Singh vs Mitth'raw'nuruodo a.k.a Grand Admiral Thrawn. It would be fun to see 2 of the greatest strategic minds in Sci-Fi take each other on.
obi wan rules form 3 at his time of peak episode 3:)
nice video man!
Great work, keep it up!
Palpatine/Darth Sidious vs Exar Kun. Both are absolute top tier lightsaber duelists and force wielders. I think it would be intersting to see how Palpatine's natural abilities contends with Kun's sorcerery and alchemy as well as both of their magnitudes with said abilities. What do you think?
Darth Sion vs Darth Plagueis? They were both Sith who seeked immortality/the secrets of life itself. Although Plagueis mainly seeked to resurrect others and Sion looked out for himself, both tried to play god. I think a fight would be interesting.
As for the fight you should create a SWTOR character and have them fight it out in the game, like a cool cutscene ^^
Always enjoying your vids Jensaarai1.
great video, i'd like to see more old republic era sith matchups
An improvisational fighter rather than a tactical one? Kind of reminds me of Qui-Gon Jinn and his philosophy of “living in the moment”.
Vindican vs Qui-Gon Jinn?
My prediction is Vindican wins. Luminara was never that good in my own opinion. Good video though Jensaarai1. Masterpiece as always
Would we ever get to see other SWTOR sith such as Darth Baras or Darth Thanaton, or some of the Old Republic individuals such as Darth Malak vs other Clone Wars Era jedi?
Good video as always so I guess these two are the mid card fighters. Who do you think is the superior shan bastilla or satele?
Would be interesting to see the sand fight Leia and Jaina or mara
***** Although, didn't Bastila leave the Order after the business with Darth Malak, to raise her family and live out her life with Revan?
Rather interesting episode. I honestly couldn't pick a victor when I read the title.
Perhaps you could do Rahm Kota VS Sora Bulq?
Jensaarai, what do you think about Rahm Kota or Ki Adi Mundi vs Darth Malak?
damn ur jedi Knowledge is awesome Buddy!!!!!!
In this video you mentioned the natural Force affinities of the two races. I'm curious if you would consider a racial affinity for the Force to be an advantage (ie. a Sith pureblood fighting a Jedi of a race with no noted affinity for the Force) even if the two combatants appeared to have similarly powerful force abilities.
Makes sense.
Out of curiosity, where do you get your sources?