yes but it wouldn't work very well in places with very high height difference, you would need a specialized smooth adaptor for every mold, but at that point what's the reason for this? Just make a traditional mold. I see this as a fast way for prototyping, as is fdm 3d printing, which is slower but can produce more complicated shapes.
Hey! We actually tried this and it works well. We used it to produce outsoles for shoes. You can vary the pin texture by varying the thickness of the flexible membrane.
Really cool technique! I wonder if you could use a similar technique to make a dynamic bed for FDM printing... external support structure is half the mass of the project sometimes...
Beautiful! A problem that is also encountered with additive manuf. is that that of surface finishing. Consumers have developed a likeness for smooth and beautiful finishes which will take extra steps for these techniques to make.
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@@fyous indeed i am pleased to know that. Also I want you to know that I think your idea is actually really cool. i am sure you are aware of them, but just in case you are not: you might want to do a PoC with Bigscreen VR - they should be right up your alley. I wish you all the best for your launch.
@@fyous I think derren88 might be referring to how BigscreenVR produces their own VR headset face gaskets that are custom molded for their users’ faces.. And how the application of your product might serve their needs to produce custom fitted molds. I am not entirely sure how BigscreenVR manufacture their face gaskets, but I think 3D printing may be involved due to the appearances of layered lines on them.
Very curious how the pins are controlled. Probably some kind of moving modifier and a locking mechanism per pin? It's probably not economic to have control for each pin. Cool product!
@@VacuousCat probably but as for how they stay that position once set is more interesting seeing how small they are most clamping methods might not work at that scale... also how many cycles are these good for
@@piman13_71 I actually designed a clamping method for pins like this some years back for a project with an inverted pin-table like this one. I think you'd really just need a uniform clamping pressure across all pins that exceeds the vacuum-forming pressure but is lower than the pin's buckling pressure (with maybe 3x factor of safety on both), which is pretty doable for pins that size. In theory it would use three offset metal plates, though I think the final version just used two plates and some magnets.
@@fyous years to figure out? uuuuh I'm guessing the pins pass through three stacked plates with very tightly fitting holes, and you put lateral pressure on the middle plate and then clamp the plates together to grip the pins? maybe make the middle plate or bushings around its holes from a slightly flexible material like a strong plastic to even out tolerances? 😂
I think the strength here is in rapid prototyping where the details are less important. This with vacuum forming would make iterations at least an order of magnitude faster than 3D printing for applications that are suitable for such a process.
@@bradley3549exactly, and also you can use this a basic shape for a mould and smooth out the mould etc with putty then with the final it’ll be as smooth as a babies belly
Mechanical Engineer here...The smoothing can be done as a secondary step by making a conventional mould from this and just smoothing. The fast 3d shape without cnc cutting time is awesome!
I mold things for a living and I think the pin texture would be a deal breaker for most applications. This would be great for prototyping vac form tools and plug-free composite molds but not much else.
It is actually funny because I was thinking about such way of molding things couple years ago but I didn't have neither capacity or energy to start a company for that
Same here. I think it was a logical train of thought once you saw something like a 3d scanned point cloud, your brain kinda goes to those old pin toys.
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Why not just 3d print and get much higher accuracy from a tool that costs substantially more?? 3D print material is very cheap, especially in small applications like this.
faster then 3d printing lets see, injection molding, thermo plastic forming, any metal injection molding.... should i go on? most of which require sure 1 rather 1000$ 2000$ mold... but then can be used to make 10,000 pieces atleast before it wears out, considering is a case that will be post polished and colored upon etc... maybe even 1 million cases per mold... so 1000/2000$ in a mold as a investment is pennies on a dollar... yea... 3d printed is great for prototyping... and that is about it... if u are chasing production, speed and quality .... 3d printing is not the answer.... in mass production never have been, but idiots and unneducated pseudo intelectuals, and dreammy DIY hobbists are insane... so ... let them keep doing same thing over and over again expecting different results.
"dreammy DIY hobbists" is a bit harsh, isn't it? Hobbyists are the perfect target audience for 3D printing: They require relatively low fidelity, don't have the space or money for a $400,000 mold machine, and don't need to produce 100,000 parts. We're all impressed you know the "right" way to do things, but "right" is relative to the specific implementation.
i think you guys need some kind of soft smoothing material between pins and plastic.
yes but it wouldn't work very well in places with very high height difference, you would need a specialized smooth adaptor for every mold, but at that point what's the reason for this? Just make a traditional mold. I see this as a fast way for prototyping, as is fdm 3d printing, which is slower but can produce more complicated shapes.
@@MrChoklad it feels like there should be a sweet spot material. idk something like thin and soft silicone maybe.
more pins...
Hey! We actually tried this and it works well. We used it to produce outsoles for shoes. You can vary the pin texture by varying the thickness of the flexible membrane.
@@fyous Let's gooo, soo happy to hear it. Are you gonna show it on some video?
Really cool technique!
I wonder if you could use a similar technique to make a dynamic bed for FDM printing... external support structure is half the mass of the project sometimes...
Beautiful! A problem that is also encountered with additive manuf. is that that of surface finishing. Consumers have developed a likeness for smooth and beautiful finishes which will take extra steps for these techniques to make.
The AI voice is so distracting... sounds like he's gonna have a heart attack any moment
You'll be pleased to know we've got a new voice over for our global launch at 10am tomorrow, watch our YT Premier Video here: th-cam.com/video/J2q0kJkSlRE/w-d-xo.html
@@fyous indeed i am pleased to know that. Also I want you to know that I think your idea is actually really cool. i am sure you are aware of them, but just in case you are not: you might want to do a PoC with Bigscreen VR - they should be right up your alley.
I wish you all the best for your launch.
@@fyous I think derren88 might be referring to how BigscreenVR produces their own VR headset face gaskets that are custom molded for their users’ faces..
And how the application of your product might serve their needs to produce custom fitted molds.
I am not entirely sure how BigscreenVR manufacture their face gaskets, but I think 3D printing may be involved due to the appearances of layered lines on them.
@@fyous I liked the AI voice better. You can never win.
Very curious how the pins are controlled. Probably some kind of moving modifier and a locking mechanism per pin? It's probably not economic to have control for each pin. Cool product!
I guess a cnc machine pushes the pins to correct heights.
@@VacuousCat probably but as for how they stay that position once set is more interesting seeing how small they are most clamping methods might not work at that scale... also how many cycles are these good for
@@piman13_71 I actually designed a clamping method for pins like this some years back for a project with an inverted pin-table like this one. I think you'd really just need a uniform clamping pressure across all pins that exceeds the vacuum-forming pressure but is lower than the pin's buckling pressure (with maybe 3x factor of safety on both), which is pretty doable for pins that size. In theory it would use three offset metal plates, though I think the final version just used two plates and some magnets.
@@piman13_71 holding them in position with enough force to make them useful is the secret sauce. It took us years to figure it out.
@@fyous years to figure out? uuuuh I'm guessing the pins pass through three stacked plates with very tightly fitting holes, and you put lateral pressure on the middle plate and then clamp the plates together to grip the pins? maybe make the middle plate or bushings around its holes from a slightly flexible material like a strong plastic to even out tolerances? 😂
nice idea but very very low detail reproduction.. i woud not want those artifacts in my vacuum shells.
I think low detail reproduction can still be useful for some objects , but you are right , maybe a improved version can increase detail ?
I think the strength here is in rapid prototyping where the details are less important. This with vacuum forming would make iterations at least an order of magnitude faster than 3D printing for applications that are suitable for such a process.
@@bradley3549exactly, and also you can use this a basic shape for a mould and smooth out the mould etc with putty then with the final it’ll be as smooth as a babies belly
Mechanical Engineer here...The smoothing can be done as a secondary step by making a conventional mould from this and just smoothing. The fast 3d shape without cnc cutting time is awesome!
I mold things for a living and I think the pin texture would be a deal breaker for most applications. This would be great for prototyping vac form tools and plug-free composite molds but not much else.
It is actually funny because I was thinking about such way of molding things couple years ago but I didn't have neither capacity or energy to start a company for that
Same here. I think it was a logical train of thought once you saw something like a 3d scanned point cloud, your brain kinda goes to those old pin toys.
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I think this is incredible, but you should hire a real voiceover!
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@@fyous and a 55 sec vid makes it better? release a 10-15 min vid on how you do it, then maybe people will take notice
6 ton pressure?
Can the mould be used in manual mode by using a template to set the pattern?
How are the pins set?
"proprietary"
This is extremely cool! Love the comparison to a kids toy. Also, don't let a New Yorker read the company name to a crowd. ;)
haha
Very interesting idea. I wonder if 3d mold can be made like this.
Cool stuff. Would be nice to have infos about the size of the machines, like do I need a garage for that?
This does not look to be intended for garage hobbyists in the first iteration.
brilliant
Why is the forming machine needed? Couldn't the pins just adopt the shape with some simple electrical actuators?
Not a new idea. Needs a flexible layer over the pins for smoother finish.
Awesome!!
00:08 This part killing me wwwwww
I think it's a great product. A Fiver voice would have been better.
i fckin swear i got this idea like 5 years ago
This is great now I just need someone who is t gonna sell it for tonnes of money to make it
Someone inserted the spaces in the wrong place in the tts
ai voiceover with one-word-per-frame subtitles. just what we need in manufacturing, carcinogenic tiktok influencer techniques
Why not just 3d print and get much higher accuracy from a tool that costs substantially more?? 3D print material is very cheap, especially in small applications like this.
Cheap but also 100% waste if your using it to make a mould for a 1-10 parts.
The problem is 3d printing exists. In what world does this device beat out a 3d printed mold for use with a vacuformer?
That's a complicated process that could be replaced by a CNC router.
How is this zero waste? It looks like theres a brim of waste material that comes off every part.
The mould is zero waste.
AI voice. Not trustworthy.
nice work
Pin matrix tooling is an older concept than the internal combustion engine. It’s impractical and therefore doesn’t survive the real world.
You could be right. Hopefully not though. We need to eat!
*breathes in in AI-voice*
zero waste my ass aall the countour is waste but still pretty cool
The mould is zero waste
fuck that ai vois but nice produckt
faster then 3d printing lets see, injection molding, thermo plastic forming, any metal injection molding.... should i go on? most of which require sure 1 rather 1000$ 2000$ mold... but then can be used to make 10,000 pieces atleast before it wears out, considering is a case that will be post polished and colored upon etc... maybe even 1 million cases per mold... so 1000/2000$ in a mold as a investment is pennies on a dollar... yea... 3d printed is great for prototyping... and that is about it... if u are chasing production, speed and quality .... 3d printing is not the answer.... in mass production never have been, but idiots and unneducated pseudo intelectuals, and dreammy DIY hobbists are insane... so ... let them keep doing same thing over and over again expecting different results.
"dreammy DIY hobbists" is a bit harsh, isn't it? Hobbyists are the perfect target audience for 3D printing: They require relatively low fidelity, don't have the space or money for a $400,000 mold machine, and don't need to produce 100,000 parts. We're all impressed you know the "right" way to do things, but "right" is relative to the specific implementation.
what if you need to make one part and its different every time...?
Cool product, cheap AI voice over.
Automatic AI dislike
Yeah it’s also a kinda bad quality because it has terrible resolution
Этой технологии уже дохрена лет, придумали они опять, революшен джони