Cosmetic Ingredients - Thickener Comparison
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- In this tutorial MakingCosmetics Inc is comparing different powder thickeners that are used in skin & hair care products. Thickeners such as Acrylates Compolymer (Acrylates octylacrylamide copolymer), Xanthan Gum, Carbomer 980 QD and GelMaker® Powder (Acrylates C10-30 alkyl acrylate crosspolymer). All these thickeners are used in shampoos, shower gels, serums, creams & lotions.
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Great comparison thanks for this great explanation video.
Very helpful information, thanks for sharing!
Thank you for these great videos!
Great video
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Thank you for the video it's awesome
6 years later this video is still super helpful
Loved this video! I want to make a cream with CSilver & MSM + DMSO & Sharlijit. Was looking for a thickner. Would Xanthan Gum work in this preparation? TIA
Thank you so much for this very informative video, can I use the gel maker to make pomade?
Thank you for the video. Do you sell such spatulas?
First time I watched your video it's worth watching
Thank you.Show us how to use acetyl alcohol.
Hello I wanted to find a gelled sqalane and it is hard to find. Could I just get the sqaulane oil and blend it with this mixture to make it. I think its called versastique. It says its squalane based but how do you make it a gelly?
plz help me to choose the one to add in my onion hair serum.Which will work the best or shall i choose any other thickener
Hello! Thank you very much for this rewarding video.
My hair styling products have both Acrylate copolymer and PVP. Please help me with some questions:
1. How long will Acrylate copolymer add to the oil phase then it will completely dissolve. What is the best ratio between oil compounds and acrylate copolymer
2. Pvp for the water phase, so when it comes to blending the water phase and the oil phase, what should be noted to get a perfectly smooth mixture without clumping
We can't discuss your formula in such detail over this channel. Please contact us directly through our contact-us page at makingcosmetics.com and provide more detailed information about your formula.
what is the exact difference between gel,serum and ointment? I really can't tell any significant difference. Which is better for skin absorption of the desired active pharmaceutical ingredient? And is not generally true that the thinner or lower viscosity all else being equal will be more readily absorbed into the skin.
Does Xanthan gum gel clog the hair follicles?
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what do you think abt hydroxyethyl cellulose?? how much % that i could use to make it slightly thick?
Can we use this to thicken isopropyl alcohol due to lack of hand sanitizer?
Is carbomer good for face gels as adding triethanolamines increases ph...but ideal ph of skin is slightly acidic
sir.what about mixing with oils for polishing whats best thickener is it ?
What can I use for lipgloss base
What's the difference between xanthan gum and gum arabic?
Good information 👍 thanks
Hi can you please make video about hair gel
I just bought the GelMaker and it doesn't work. At first I tried to mix it with flaxseed gel at a pH of like 4.5 but it didn't solidify. Then I read the instructions and left the mixture at a pH of 6 and it still did not solidify
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Can you use Carbomer 940 is there a major difference?
Does the acrylate copolymer feel stuck and dry down
Hello thank you for the video . If I want to make glitter gel for face / body Which gelling agent do you recommend would be best ?
I'd go either with a gel made of xanthan gum/water or carbomer/water.
I'm glad that I see this channel! i'm actuallu trying to make face mask for our study, is it okay to use food grade xanthan gum?
Yes, you can use food-grade xanthan gum.
@@Makingcosmetics thank you 😊
Can wo add xanthym gum in alovera gell ???
Interesting !! But, what about a chitosan solution or CMC-chitosan ?? what results would be expected? Thanks !
We did not make any tests with Chitosan.
Isn't trienthanolomine a carcenogin?
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How to thick Hydrochloric Acid. Please reply.
je peux savoir comment dissoudre l'hydroxyethlcellulose miscible dans l'eau ?
Hi
Thank you for the video
But I couldn't get an answer if i can make a gel with niacinamide when TEA and cabomer used. Please let me know
You can add Niacinamide to the water phase, then increase the pH to about 6 with TEA, at pH 6 the carbomer will already form a gel.
@@Makingcosmetics thank you very very much.... I was really wanting a reply for this and once again thank you so muchhhh for your reply ♥️
Which ones would be good for the lotions and creams and which for gels that need to be absorbed into the skin? Very well done video. Thank you
UtahGmaw99 carbomer is probably #1. But gel maker is good as well. Their website gives. Examples and suggestions.
Hello. Thanks for the video. Just wanted to ask you to what temperature I should heat the lsat mixture?
Room temperature
@@Makingcosmetics You mentioned that the mixture should be heated then cooled to room temp. To what temp. I should heat it up?
Can xanathan thicken dmso?
If we add more Xanthan Gum, will the gel be thicker? And can it be used on the gums? What about a preservative for the composition? A natural one? thank you!
A higher xanthan gum concentration doesn't necessarily translate into more thickness. In fact, a small amount of
Is there a preservative to stop the gel from reverting back to liquid form?
No preservative can do that. This is not the function of a preservative.
What gives edge control that stiff hold. Is there a natural substitute I can add instead to create that stiff hold?
We recommend hair fixatives - i.e., PVP, HairFix, etc. Hair Fix XH Maltodextrin is a hair fixative that is considered natural. Here is a link to it: www.makingcosmetics.com/THK-HAIRMD-01.html?lang=default.
Thanks for the video I have tried carbomor 940 but the final product was not clear! Please suggest me how do I obtain transparent gel.
Water and carbomer will make a clear, transparent gel. However, if you add additional ingredients (especially oils or butters) it will turn opaque.
Is this gelly we able to use as ultrasound gelly?
How to Making Amla Hair Oil ? Pls send me Amla Hair Oil Formulation Video??
Both xanthan gum and guam Arabic are natural polysaccharides (sugars). Xanthan gum is a more potent thickener, whereas gum Arabic has also other properties like film-forming, emulsifying and dispersing properties.
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I'm glad that I see this channel! i'm actually trying to make face mask for our study, is it okay to use food grade xanthan gum?
MakingCosmetics I would like to know if carbomer is able to be used to make lipgloss base???
@@peacegiver1000 We recommend to use polyisobutene (www.makingcosmetics.com/Polyisobutene-1200_p_106.html) instead.
MakingCosmetics thank you for your prompt response. Is this the same type of polymer that is used in hair grease???
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how much is the theoretical concentration of xanthan gum to be used as a gelling agent? i can't find it in the handbook of pharmaceutical excipient. thankyou
Typical concentration is 0.2-0.5%. Also adding up to 0.5% sodium chloride (salt) will increase the thickening effect.
suppose i have a relatively 'watery' low viscosity mixture which i want the active component to be well absorbed into or even under the skin for example adding dmso , then adding a thickener will decrease the effect of being absorbed into the skin and under ? If anyone knows for sure which thickeners will be the least detrimental to that absorption into and under the skin effect ?
Hi there, we don't have a study that shows thickener comparisons related to absorption of actives.
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Use 1% of xanthum gum powder to mix in water then it forms gel👍
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Gel maker powder price
Hi, thanks for your video, I’m learning about how to make gels and I want to know what is the common name of gel maker, I need to find it in Mexico. Thanks again.
GelMaker EMU is Acrylates C10-30 alkyl acrylate crosspolymer
ok thanks, it´s hard to find here
So if I needed to make gel I could go with the carbomer, but what else would I need to add to it to increase the strength. ? That is the hold.And also what not to do to ensure there is no white residue. Thanks
Hi, I already bought xanthan gum & Gel maker EMU from making cosmetic, can I mix both in a serum formulation. What is the typical concentration for both in making facial serum ? Thank you
When combining them together the concentration is typically
How to make acid thickener
Can we use carbomer to thicken a surfactant system ? Because when ever I use it never thicken a surfactant system
Carbomer is not ideal for thickening surfactant systems. Xanthan gum would be easier.
Thanks for this video. Are these types of ingredients used to make serums for ease of application?
You can use Xanthan gum to make serums but it won't be clear.
@@greenbeautychemist. and with a bit stringy texture, depends on the percentage used and other ester or oil soluble part.
A good serum texture and sensory profile is one of the challenging works of art that spend time and experience to achieve.
Learn each ingredient’s texture and sensory profile one at a time first till you achieve the mastering level, then learn each combination of them with lots of tries and notes.
Good luck!
hi.very nice video.hv few doubts.which thickner is best for shampoo n facewash? 2nd which ingredient is use for peel of mask.thanks in advance
Theoretically, every thickener can be used all for every product. There is no "best". It really depends on what other ingredients the formula consists of.
MakingCosmetics hey thanks for ur revert.as per u which one is best for shampoo n face wash?
So how much xanthan or guar gum can I use to slightly thicken a body oil for body bronzer oil?
Xanthan gum and guar gum work only in water but not oils.
Great
Hello thanks for your wonderful titian can I use it to make liquid soap please let me know because I've been looking for a product to use to thicken my liquid soap if you have an idea of what to use please let me know thank you so much I really do appreciate
You could use Glucose-SORB to thicken liquid soap: www.makingcosmetics.com/Glucose-SORB_p_1207.html
@@Makingcosmetics what can be used as foaming agent in liquid soaps and face washes instead of sodium lauryl sulphate? Is Amin LS-30 or Amin LS-95 safe? Is Cocamidopropyl betaine (CAPB) also safe and good alternative?
You could use sulfosuccinate or CAPB (www.makingcosmetics.com/Surfactants-Soaps_c_74.html)
i want to know how to make versagel. does it work if you add glycerin in gel base??
Versagel is mainly made of polyisobutene (www.makingcosmetics.com/Polyisobutene-1200_p_106.html) which is not mentioned here.
Could you mix the Carbomer 980 with Acrylate Copolymer? How if so? What would the steps be?
Acrylate Copolymer and carbomer can be used in the same formula. However, carbomer is added to water-phase whereas acrylate copolymer to the oil phase!
Thank you!
I have a question please, what is the difference between guar gum and xhantam gum
You can read more about xanthan and guar here: www.makingcosmetics.com/Xanthan-Gum-Prehydrated_p_316.html, www.makingcosmetics.com/Guar-Gum-Cationic_p_309.html
Can you please let me know how can we mix in Aleovera gel for thickness. What is the ratio
You can use xanthan gum at 0.1-0.5% to further thicken aloe vera gel.
Will the aloe Vera gel help to make the xanthan gum clear🤔
Hi is this good for lip gloss? As an alternative for versagel coz there's no versagel at all in our country. Please answer thank you in advance.
We recommend using polyisobutene for lip gloss (www.makingcosmetics.com/Polyisobutene-1200_p_106.html)
@@Shanaragreen Yes, that''s possible.
I'm hoping you can answer. In making hand sanitizer gum makes a very tacky feeling. Is either of the other options better for a non tacky solution?
Difficult to answer without more information about your formula. Gums make a solution only tacky if used at high concentrations. Also, it depends on what kind of gum you are using and what alcohol concentration the hand sanitizer consists of.
Xantham gum and 99% alcohol
As suggested by the FDA, alcohol should not be used at concentrations higher than 70% as its efficacy to kill germs is reduced (even though it sounds counterintuitive). An effective disinfectant must contain water. I suggest you use 70% alcohol, 29.5% water and 0.5% xanthan gum.
How can I clarify the gel ? Make it more transparent? Thank you
A clear gel is made best with Carbomer. However, if you add oils or fats it will turn opaque.
Nice video! :-)
Can anyone tell me what thickener would blend most effectively with alcohol, if I'm trying to make a homemade hand sanitizer?
I use carbomer
B. Lonewolf hi we don’t carbomer available what else can be used to if we blending sanitizer
Acrylate copolymer
which one is better for face cream? Acrylate copolymer,xanthan gum,gel maker powder,or carbomer 980
All can be used for face creams. Depends on your preference.
sir can you tell me which matirial i can use in food addactive . i want matirial who absorb 200 time water
We don't sell food related products.
Arcylet co polymer
Surfucant parmula wetting agent
Can you add this to lipgloss base to make it thicker?
Yes, that's possible.
Can you mix carbomer 980 with other gelling agents , such as aristoflex avc ?
Yes, that's possible, but I don't know whether Aristoflex specifically would work with Carbomer
@@Makingcosmetics thanks ! 😄
Ma'am, do you know any preservative( which is not so harmful to skin) to add in cosmetic products to get shelf life upto 7 months?
You can use this one: www.makingcosmetics.com/Phenoxyethanol-SA_p_243.html
Here is my problem with carbomer, upon using it the first time the gel is good, however when i use the powder after a week or a month, the powder it produces becomes a grainy gel, why so?
Thank you for your inquiry. For the best results, try to hydrating the powder well, then neutralize to pH 6.5-7, then sheer mixing or homogenizing for a smooth texture.
If you use oil instead of water for carbomer will it give the same effect
It will not work with oils
what about using hydrogenated castor oil as a thickener or is that too difficult and requires too much heat?
Hydrogenated castor oil isn't as effective a thickener like the ones discussed in the video. Not sure whether it thickens at all.
if have one essential main active component which can be significantly weakened by too much heat and esp if try putting the castor oil 'flakes' in castor oil itself seems useless as it just will not dissolve.
Please tell me ,you used natural water or distilled water.thankyou
Distilled water.
Im sorry to ask something out of context, does anyone here know what ingredients we should add to make lotion dry faster? I mean fast to absorb to our skin... Sorry, english isn't my first language 🙏
Can you use these in lip glosses ? To make versagel thicker ?
Please can we get an answer on this post
I would like to know too. I want to make lip gloss from natural products.
Can you use only xanthan gel ?or is a must for all 4 gel
No, you don't need all 4 thickeners to make a gel. One is enough.
How to thicken vassalin please tell me if u know. Thank u.
Vaseline (petrolatum) is already quite thick. If you need it thicker you can perhaps add a wax, e.g. synthetic wax and heat it to 80C together with the petrolatum, then when melted, pour and cool.
@@Makingcosmetics ya thanks for reply I actually did that but what happened after cooling of both mixture the Vaseline seperate and wax separate cannot mixes properly that's the problem any other idea please tell me thank u so much bye.
Why carbomer degrades
Will Acrylate Copolymer thicken like this in a oil? im making lip gloss
No, acrylate copolymer is unlikely to work in oils, but only in water.
Can anyone please make a video for how to make aloevera gel or say ingredients for making exact aloevera gel.
it’s literally just the sticky stuff inside an aloe leaf/plant
i have a question, can we use xanthan gum to fix viscosity of emollients? so we mix them straight into the emollients? please answer, thank you
No, xanthan gum needs be mixed into water. Emollients are usually oil soluble.
@@Makingcosmetics ok but after i dissolve it with water, is it still effective if then i mix it with my lip gloss base to thicken it up?
Yes, it should be.
@@Makingcosmetics thank you💕
What is the difference between gel maker style liquid and gel maker RHEO LIQUID?
The RHEO is better suited for creams and lotions whereas the Style is more for surfactant systems (shampoos, body washes)
MakingCosmetics I’m making shaving gel and I used the gel maker style but it leaves a sticky residue, but I like the fact that the gel separate right away and comes out thick 👍🏼 it’s just the sticky residue that kills me. Also I use carbomer 981 which I bought somewhere else but it does not separate right away it’s very gummy and it stretches like honey. What am I doing wrong? Is it the carbomer?
Anything how to make versagel for lipgloss
You can use our lip gloss base (www.makingcosmetics.com/Signature-Lip-Gloss-Base_p_1630.html)
Hey can Yu make gel using carbopol n combing with xanthan gum intsteadof triethinolamine
Here is a video on how to use carbomer: th-cam.com/video/o9twC_-MZ1w/w-d-xo.html
@@Makingcosmetics is there any health issue with triethinolamine? Or is it safe to use in organic skincare products for neutralizing carbopol 940?
TEA can be used safely. Just make sure that you add a Prop65 warning on the label if you intend to sell it in California.
@@Makingcosmetics thank you
Are any of your thickeners soluble in oil? I am trying to thick a body oil
A good oil thickener is Hectorite Gel (www.makingcosmetics.com/Hectorite-Gel-SOFT_p_1260.html)
Which one is the best for alcohol hand sanitizer
GelMaker PH (www.makingcosmetics.com/GelMaker%C2%AE-PH_p_1417.html) works best.
Can all of these thickeners be used to make lipgloss?
Theoretically yes, but it very much depends on the formula. The most widely used thickener for lip gloss is polyisobutene.
Can I add oils or mid chain tri's to these?
To add oils, you need to add an emulsifier: www.makingcosmetics.com/emulsifiers?lang=default.
Would carbomer 980 be suitable for
Lip gloss base? Thank you
No ma’am! Not even close. Carbomer is mostly used for hair gels. Try tkb trading versagel for gloss base
Yes you can use carbomer
Isabella Veneracion no you cannot. Not for lip gloss. Carbomer is to thicken water based products, like hair gel or body washes. It won’t even dissolve if you incorporate it into lip gloss base
@@covegirl06 you mean carbomer is best for body shower gels instead of xanthan gum? Please reply
@@Mandy-J carbomer and xanthan gum will only activate in waterbased products. Neither will dissolve in an oil based lip gloss. You can check out makingcosmetics.com for formulas. I just know xanthan gum nor carbomer will NOT mix with lip gloss base
No, TEA is not listed as carcinogen by any authorities.
Which is best for use on face
All thickeners can be used for the face.
how about bleaching formula cream
You can find recipes for skin-lightening creams here: www.makingcosmetics.com/Skin-Lightener-Formulas_ep_104.html