Why Do So Many People Hate Californians?
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- An analysis of why many people all throughout the US hate Californians. I discuss the usual rhetoric and debunk it because I want to know the real reasons, not the political nonsense or untruths.
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Kyle I'm from Vancouver and i appreciate what you're doing here; the tiresome culture war is making good folks bitter toward their own compatriots... up here there's a lot of animosity between BC and Alberta, and it's sad because the vast majority of every province and state are just hard working folks trying to make a decent life for themselves; and politicians, the media and academia are always trying to amplify our petty little diffences and keep us squabbling about ultimately trivial things... because of course a divided populous is easier to manipulate. It's sad. Guys we are for the most part all on the same team, and as a Canadian there is no vacation better than a road trip through the US; so many friendly folks, amazing landscapes and geology - i truly appreciate you neighbors. And man it's hard to get ahead for us working class folks in this day and age, we gotta have eachother's backs!
Isn’t the anti-BC sentiment in Alberta mostly because of your former Premier John Horgan?
I also experienced this as someone from the Toronto area when I encounter Canadians from other provinces. A couple were actually quite rude to me. Just because my grandparents settled in Toronto when they emigrated to Canada doesn’t mean that I am somehow an embodiment of a couple of streets where financial institutions are located.
@relaxedleisure4766 not really... it's basically just the city folk of Vancouver and Victoria, who are very very urban/progressive, resenting Alberta for being a bit more redneck, and doubling down on getting their oil to market when the environmentalist Canadian Left has a very irrational contempt for fossil fuels. Interesting to note that a few years ago Alberta bucked a decades long trend and elected a 'socialist' NDP provincial government; and they still fought with the BC government about their right to use our ports to get their crude to market. Basically demonstrating that no Albertan government can be 'anti-oil,' it's too vital to their economy.
However, things have changed in BC (and in Canada at large) since the pandemic; there is a large minority of rural Canadians who genuinely value their personal liberty. This cohort consists of hippy libertarian lefties and more traditional and religious conservatives who have found common ground in wanting our basic freedoms respected. It's a minority, but a large and focused one. And for the first time, BC has an active provincial Conservative government, which really came out of nowhere.
Anyway, I don't consider myself particularly left or right wing, but I live in Vancouver, and I can't afford to get into the real estate market here... so I'm considering moving to Alberta, as it's usually got a decent economy, and housing prices are more reasonable for actual working class folk.
@@algonquin91 where did you experience this rude attitude, if you don't mind me asking?
@@doomsdaybooty1072 so it’s basically Albertans, rural British Columbians, and regular working/middle class Vancouverites annoyed with inner city lefties? (I noticed Vancouver now has a centrist mayor as well!)
So, when I lived in Taos, NM the locals did complain about both Californians and Texans. The biggest complaint about the Californians wasn't changing politics, per se. Taos is a liberal hippie area. However, northern New Mexico has a bit of an anarchist culture, and the complaint was the Californians passing a bunch of zoning laws, and anti smoking laws, and banning plastic bags, and things like that.
my dad grew up in eagle nest and his dad was born in los angeles in the 1940s. whenever my dad was a kid in the car with my grandpa on the way to taos my grandpa would always complain about “californians tarnishing the culture in new mexico and texans tarnishing the roads” lol
It’s almost like they ruined California and moved to New Mexico and want to make New Mexico like California. Geography King didn’t debunk shit.
Why Texans? I live there
They are the worst. They LOVE overregulation. I moved there for a bit, and it was so alien to see a regulatory sign on everything attempting to structure some mundane aspect of human behavior.
Weird considering here in Cali we have plastic bags and smoke weed out in the open......
I think a key point not mentioned here is that people move states all the time and between all the different states. But California has such a large population that it becomes over-represented. If 0.001% (one thousandth of one percent) of Californians move to your town, that's 400 people, a whole subdivision. But if 0.001% of Wyomingites move then that's only 6 people, barely 2 households. So your town might proportionally be being overrun by the populations of smaller states, but California is just so populated that minor shifts in its populace drowns out movements of other states.
As an example, let's look at Idaho, who tends to have some of the most vocal anti-Californians. In 2019, 17,772 people moved from California to Idaho, or 0.04% of the California population. The next highest state was Washington with 13,505 people. However, that was 0.18% of Washington's population, or 4.5x that of California. Likewise, 3,026 people moved from Montana for 0.28% of that state's population, or 7x that of California. So while California did send the most total people to Idaho, it was a much smaller proportion than from other states.
Yeah, and also since it’s the most populated state, it’s gonna get hate for things that is out of their control. Much like how America gets blamed by the world as being horrible and evil.
Texas has almost 32 million people california has 39 million. not that big of a difference.
@@joeyenniss9099 That's nearly a 20% difference...the key here is "million", as in seven million; many mistake the difference between the integers 39 & 32 at 7, and outright discount the "million" qualifier that follows, simply because the format includes alphabetic characters.
Yeah, this is my thought. Feels like being overrun by Californians, I guess.
I like your point, but I honestly don't think folks think of groups of people in terms of percentages, but rather in whole numbers. And if they did, it wouldn't be as a percentage of they state they left, but as a percentage increase in the state they are moving to. So your numbers would indicate that Idahos population increased by 1% Californians, 0.75% Washingtonian, etc. They really don't care how big a state they came from, only the impact on their state.
One more reason why it’s great to be from Rhode Island. No matter how many other places I move to, literally nobody will ever say “OMG, you people are ruining it here” 😂
As someone from Hawaii, there are direct flights back to Boston.
The mob mentality is the key piece. During the Great Depression, migrants from the dust bowl were demonized in California. That’s always the way it is when large groups move into a new place. Even if they’re fellow Americans. The anti-outsider bias is strong in human psychology.
Californians are dickheads
True. As a kid growing up in Central CA, The term "Okie" was basically a slur towards white people.
You don't just let anybody in your house. It's common sense. You see how bad California is doing and all of their people start coming to your state, you better be weary of that or you don't have a pulse.
This comment nails it.
@@timwilson7326people are by and large good at heart and generally the same as anyone else. Just because the state government is failing to address major issues, doesn’t mean you should fearmonger about the general population.
As an east coaster, I find it hilarious that Texans and Californians see themselves as sooo different lol. A rural Texan likely has a great deal more in common with a rural Californian than an urban Texan, and vice versa.
I think a large part of it is a feeling of other places in the US being left out. There’s an essentialist idea of the US as being “New York and California” (with of course New York only referring to New York City, and California only referring to Los Angeles County and San Francisco). A lot of the media and tech of the US is dominated by these places, and thus everyone else feels some resentment towards them as “the big, powerful, arrogant places”, even if it’s wholly unfair to lump everyone there into those categories.
For California, this is compounded by both anti-“liberal” bias cultivated by social and formal media, and a general sense of resentment towards “Hollywood” and all the associated supposed cultural ills of that (shallow relationships, ostentatious wealth, dishonesty, cults, celebrity worship, etc).
If this wasn’t enough, I think the sheer geographic separation of California from most of the country allows people’s imaginations to run wild about what California is actually like. Whereas negative perceptions by people in the eastern US of Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, DC, etc can be more easily dispelled without too long of a trip, California is often days away by car or train, and many hours away by plane, from most of the population of the US. Therefore, wild fantasies about “streets covered in effluvia and needles as high as fire hydrants” in San Francisco, and “vegan kombucha drinking billionaires walking tiny dogs as they mistreat their underpaid domestic workers on the way to a cult meeting” as the hills around them are always on fire can go unchecked.
For all the mystique, aura, and intrigue that California’s remoteness, size, and distinctiveness has cultivated since the mid 19th century in the American mind, that level of fantastical thinking has also instilled passionate, irrational hatred. Maybe if more people put down their phones and hopped on a train, bus, plane, or car to California, there would be less oddly passionate hatred of the people and the place?
Also, final thought: it’s not fair to judge a place by its expats. People leaving California are likely different from Californians themselves, as people who move tend to be different, whether that be because they’re richer, more restless, less rooted, better at making enemies and leaving town (lol), or just more open-minded. A lifelong working class Fresno resident is probably gonna be more “normal” to an average Tennessean than a millionaire from Bel Aire is, but unfortunately both are lumped into the enormous umbrella term of “Californian.”
@thefareplayer2254 You make some good points, but I'm definitely stealing ”vegan kombucha drinking billionaires walking tiny dogs as they mistreat their underpaid domestic workers on the way to a cult meeting.” 😂
I love rich people
Nailed it! NorCal chick here 👋🏼 you worded that perfectly!
It’s self important attitudes like this that make people annoyed with Californians. This idea that California is some bastion of wealth and civilization that people in other states spend time fantasizing about. They genuinely cannot fathom the concept of wanting to living anywhere else despite flooding other states with transplants. It’s this weird disconnect from reality that bothers people.
People on the other side of the nation don’t think about California. Literally the only time I’m reminded it exists is because of Californians being it up lol. For me, personally, California has as much appeal as living in Mississippi or Utah.
@@impulse_xsif you like room temperature weather around the coast year around, you might like it. You might like Mississippi as long as you’re an average Anglo white that likes rich and fatty food. You might like Utah as long as you enjoy people with no personality and skiing.
As a Californian that moved to a small town in Georgia the main reason people were turned off when I told them I’m from California is because they assumed I was liberal. I don’t think they felt like I was changing the politics of the town. I think it was the fact of running into a lot of conservatives that dislike liberals. I also lived in Atlanta and there I felt like if someone didn’t like Californians it was because of higher populations, more traffic and higher home costs. People finding someone to blame for their cities problems.
Bingo.
I’ve learned it doesn’t matter whether theyre liberal or conservative. They’re just stuck up jerks that generate traffic jams, love overregulation and turn home owners into renters. If they loved CA dysfunction so much, I wish they’d return home and spare the rest of us.
Yall are pricing locals out of their home towns
Native Texan here... I haven't seen all of California but I have seen quite a bit of it, and I don't mean just L.A. and San Francisco. People who have never been there assume that it's all surfers and hippies, but California is full of regular working class people, farming people, ranch people... JUST LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE.
I love California. I love my home state of Texas. Folks, you need to travel more and see more of America, then you'll realize how much we are really quite a lot alike. I have seen almost every state west of the river, and I'll begin my east travels soon. Get out and go see it.
So true. As much as we see differences between us, there *is* such a thing as "American culture".
Thanks for seeing, in my opinion, the real California. As someone who lives in central CA, it's a bit infuriating when LA and SF make up the image that immediately pops into people's minds. Most of the central valley is just hardworking Americans like all across America.
True Native Califonian Here I keep hearing the biggest NorCal stereotypes since that Venture Capitalists from San Jose and San Francisco have been hyping up the Austin Area like "its a Utopia". Only problem here is that regular working class people can't afford to leave the state and do what these leaders hyping up Austin are doing. Regular Working Class People live in places like Tracy, Vallejo, Fairfield, Suisun City, Vacaville and have to commute to their jobs in Sacramento, San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose.
Totally agree with what you've said! I always tell people that if you really want to "see" California that you have to get off the freeways and go into the communities. I've lived in five states and the most rural was California.
@@michelepayne3546 Which rural parts of California you been to? is it I-5 Halfway between Sacramento to Los Angeles in the San Joaquin Valley area or Northern Sacramento Valley or the Sacramento Delta area.
Great commentary, Kyle. It's truly frustrating how much ignorance and unfocused hostility there is out there.
I wish I could "Like" this twice. Thank you, Kyle. It had to be asked.
I have lived in the Pacific Northwest all my life and consider California one of our group of five Pacific coast states. Sure, California was better blessed in terms of climate and geography, but we shared our culture, history and diversity. There was always a little envy, though and I think that recent politics weaponized that jealousy.
I grew up in, and lived in, Idaho most of my life. For a while we lived on a small farm and raised animals. Our neighbor, who moved from California, disliked that we raised and butchered our own animals and regularly called the police on us for it. She moved to the countryside in farmland and then apparently was just in shock and disgust that people actually had active, functioning farms. She constantly complained about us and our shared neighbor because the animals would smell bad when she'd go get her mail, among other things. She complained about how horrible it was that she had to look at our barn and see the animals in the yard. She was an exception, not a rule, but people like her are absolutely where the stereotype comes from. Even then, she was just insufferable as a person, probably had nothing to do with her being from California.
Weird considering the Mexicans next door would regularly butcher their goats and no one gave a shit. But then again I live in rural northern California
There's also endless farms here. You sure she really was from California???
Never in a million years or in my 40+ years of living would I have thought it would be such a big deal or such a high level of complexity in finding a place to live, work and play in this country! I've concluded that this whole ship has a leak somewhere and no one is able and/or wants to repair it!
Have you looked in to the mountains east of Sacramento? Incredibly awesome place to live, beautiful scenery everywhere you go, big pieces of land, easy drive to work in to Folsom or Sacramento. Very low crime and still affordable part of California. My #1 favorite part of the state. Have a look at Placerville, Jackson, Auburn, Nevada City, Grass Valley and so many other areas east of Sacramento, such cool places to live.
@@drscopeify Interesting that you say this, I've been on many roadtrips around the country and have concluded that this is where I'd eventually like to live, due to its proximity to many natural wonders.
That is somewhat true except for the weather there in July and August when it can be 115 degrees or when the Tule fog rolls in during the winter. @@drscopeify
I have lived in lots of places throughout the west, including California, and I have encountered the California hate all over. I have never understood why. I'm no sociologist, but it may be a holdover from the early days of the Union. The states were more autonomous and the people viewed themselves primarily as Ohioans, or Kentuckians, for example, and as Americans secondly. There's an inherent clannishness to that way of thinking. Add to that the current trend toward increasing tribalism, there's a corresponding increase in mistrust of outsiders. After that long-winded spiel, it still doesn't explain why everyone seems to pile onto Californians. Maybe it's a numbers thing. There's more Karens and Kens in California, merely because there are more people in California. And, then, again...I could be completely full of BS!
You're onto something there.
I think that people who hate on Californians mostly hate on people from the Bay Area and don’t understand the difference.
I moved from Texas to Los Angeles back in 2010 (and moved back to Texas a year later), and most people in Cali had a pretty negative opinion of Texans too. Kyle (and a lot of other people) seem to think this "California hate" doesn't work in reverse, but it definitely does. Pretty much every blue state thinks Texas is the worst state in America. But I won't hold my breath for a "Why do so many people hate Texans?" video anytime soon.
Funny; after I posted this, I started thinking about it, and I thought that Texas is probably the state next most likely to be hated. Texans have that whole Texas Republic thing, the only state to ever be an independent nation. I wonder if that factors into it at all.@@JakeKoenig
@@JakeKoenigmost Californians really aren't walking around thinking about Texas or Kentucky or Tennessee. They're just going about their lives. If someone from a red state is in California nobody really cares. There's much more of a live and let live culture in California. Californians generally just mind their own business. Neighbors are not going to ask what church you go to or what you do for a living. I've never even had an issue with nosey neighbors while living in California.
First of all, I love your content. Keep up the good work! As a small town Utah native, one of the consistent Californian complaints is that we’re getting overcrowded. Many of the small towns are getting bigger so quickly that it can be hard to keep up with infrastructure particularly I-15, since there aren’t viable road alternatives. Water is always a concern. And the housing prices went up in large part to market scarcity. At one point there were only 80 houses on the market in UT county when there should have been somewhere around 300. I hear a lot of the arguments that your brought up here, which I think you effectively debunked. People do whine about the character/politics and so on of Californians, but I think the bigger issue is the volume of people which are largely (but not entirely) from California.
I first encountered this last summer playing golf in Colorado with a Coloradan friend. We met a couple from Albuquerque while having a beer after the round, and they were very friendly until I said I'm from LA. They scoffingly said "I've heard of that place" and then didn't say half a word to me after that, but remained friendly to my buddy. It was really surprising!
I think it's symptomatic of the crazy political polarization in this country and a real distain that many conservative Americans have for liberals...and they associate California with liberalism. But when you consider that there are more registered republicans in CA than any state except for Texas, it shows just how misguided that sentiment really is.
Distain for the other is shared among both political parties.
I believe you for sure because I noticed this as well. My mom and her sister like to travel a lot around the country. Both are from LA, but my mom moved out decades ago to another city along the central coast. So now my mom says she is from the central coast because she always gets a warmer reception. There were times she said she was from LA and people were always like “oh…” and didn’t really care to ask more, and their behavior completely changed, like their cheeriness and friendliness deflated…, so she no longer says she is from LA. Her sister frequently complains about the lackluster reception she gets everywhere when she tells people she is from LA. And it’s just a fact, she’s not saying “I’m from LA, so I’m better than you!”
I noticed this on a trip we all made to Florida in May to see my grandmother. They asked where we were from and we said California, and they actually perked up (possibly because we were just tourists, not cockroaches infesting their state lol). They asked where each of us is from in California, and their reception towards us saying we are from the central coast was far nicer than when my aunt said LA (even though they had NO IDEA what the central coast even is). My grandmother and another one of my aunt’s are also from LA and had moved there to Florida permanently, but they always get a happy reception from Floridians because they immediately like to trash LA and their home state California and tell them Florida is way better.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fluffing up their ego’s seems to help matters when you’re from Cali, especially from LA, but it’s like you have to disown where you’re from for anyone else in America to accept you it seems.
Albuquerque is pretty liberal. Maybe they don't like the movie industry?
The 'California is liberal' sentiment probably comes from the way California usually votes in presidential elections these days
Hi Kyle. Californian here, born and raised and live here now in retirement. But I've lived in Michigan as a teenager (4 years), then in the last 12 years I've lived in New Hampshire (1 year) and Virginia (3 years).
When we lived south of Detroit Michigan, I was a kid ( in the late 70's) and was seen as an exotic. People really thought California was all beaches and movie stars. So mostly I just dealt with the misconceptions. I'm grateful for that time because it was sooooo different than the suburbs of the east bay where I grew up (and still live).
When I lived in NH, I did say I was from California. As you said, people weren't really friendly when I said that, but I got the impression that folks in New England were just rather provincial folks. I definitely got the feeling that I should never be accepted there. My husband did where his giants and 49ers hats out and about, but we found that as long as you weren't a Yankees fan, it was okay.
2015-2018 we lived in virginia, but because we lived in the DMV (NoVa) where many many folks came from all over to work in DC, it was grudgingly accepted. We were pretty far outside the beltway, however, so did learn to not wear our Californian identity too openly. We heard California disparaged a lot, mostly for the politics. I had to learn to zip it when around folks I didn't know.
We always moved for work reasons, and did indeed come back to California between every gig. I will say that as someone who not only has lived out of state, but has traveled extensively through the country, we have found that the smiles and welcomes we got as Californians 40 years ago have been replaced with grunts and attitude in the last 10 years. I've even had people say to my face, well as long as you're spending money and not moving here, it's okay (Arizona, Montana, Oregon).
It really feels like it's a culture war thing to me.
You are so right! The rural areas do not like outsiders! That was my experience in rural KY and rural PA and in Northern CA. All 3 of those states were not like that while living in the city. @tommygogetter5992
Thanks for the insight Marge. I know you've seen quite a bit of the country so it's nice to hear your perspective.
Fun Fact: Despite Journey's melodic protestations, the is no "South Detroit"; South Detroit is Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
@@jasonarthurs3885 I agree. As I said, I lived south OF Detroit. Taylor, to be specific.
Funny, I grew up next door to one of the original members of Journey.
@@margefoyle6796Cheers!
If anything, people think being from California is exotic, living on the beach and knowing movie stars. A lot of my conversations are about telling people the rest of the state is more than Hollywood, Disney, and the beach. And I see it as a great privilege to talk about the homeland and all of its quirky parts! People are certainly curious and eager to learn more.
Yeah the reaction I get when I tell people I moved to California is "oh you must be rich now, live in Beverly hills, hang out on the beach all day" while in reality I live in a podunk desert town. So there is a distortion of what California is that I think mostly comes from movies.
@@josephdutton36 I think a lot of people don't realize how big California is. From San Diego to the Oregon border is something like a 15 hour drive. We don't all live on the beach or in Hollywood. We have deserts, mountains, valleys, farmland. A little bit of everything. It was a great state until the last 15 years or so.
LoL really?! WTF that is so strange they would think that!
As a native Californian, I will never leave this state. I love it here, and I wouldn't ever move. And, the more people move, the lower the cost of living is here. All good things!
California is really the most amazing land in maybe the world, it is awesome and so many things to do.
As a resident of CA, do they high taxes bother you? Seems like that is really the only negative.
Congrats same here as a Native Californian too!
@@johnedward5520 Nope, taxes don't bother me at all. If I lived somewhere else I would be making less and paying less taxes, which sounds like a wash to me.
I'm sure others would feel differently, but I am more concerned about where my taxes are going and why the wealthy aren't paying enough of them, rather than me worrying about me paying too much. Just my opinion on it. :)
Great stay there thank you!!!!!
So interesting! I am one of those Californians that decided to live in the Midwest for several years. And yes, the culture was SO vastly different that I had a rough time finding my place there. I never complained that there was anything wrong with where I was living, but I did express that I missed my family and friends in California. I appreciated the culture I was in, but I didn't really feel comfortable. That's on me, not the location. I assume I would have had a similar experience if I'd moved to a different country without being prepared to adapt to that culture. I've since returned to California, and while I'm closer to my friends and family, I'm now trying to readapt to the culture here. While I might find circumstances trying, I'd never complain about someplace I live as I'm here by choice, and complaining just means I'm a jerk : )
What's interesting is that when I visit abroad, I get treated a lot better when I tell people I'm Californian compared to when I tell people I'm American.
Another little anecdote too: I moved to Texas for a couple years, and I was eating smoked brisket and drinking Lone Star with someone, when I joked, "I guess I'm a Texan now." He, in all serious, looked me dead in the eye and said, "No. You'll never be Texan." I cannot ever imagine a Californian saying that to someone who moved to California, that they could never be a Californian.
There are Texans who still want to believe they're an independent Republic.
This was a very interesting video! Nice job! I definitely want to watch more videos like this!
Another excellent video, Kyle! Thank you for such an interesting review of this topic.
Great to see you again Kyle🤟🏿😎
I'm from the East Coast and live in CA, my only complaint about CA cities (namely SF and LA, but to a certain degree SD) is really the infrastructure
Nobody can deny the cultural and food heritage of any of these cities, and are probably the most diverse in the country if not the world - all of these cities cater to a bunch of different personalities and ethnicities, and the homeless problem is not a uniquely Californian problem, it's a "large center of population" problem and exists in many places (you can argue that Europe does it better, in which case it's just an American problem, so don't put the burden on just CA)
But basically my main gripe with these cities is that you are damned to get anywhere if you don't have a car, but even if you do you're still punished because everyone else has a car
I'm not saying that public transportation would dramatically improve these cities, but these are the expectations and standards I believe these international cities should be at
sf proper has pretty good public transport
My whole family is from CA from before it was a state. There is NO way in hell the cultural and food heritage of CA compares in any way to the east coast. The east coast has way more cultural heritage and food diversity than CA.
Yea, Southern California and basically much of the US needs better public transit, biking, and walking friendly options within at least the largest 50 cities. These means have been know to be better for the environment (less emissions, noise), safer for the people (fewer accidents), and keeps the commuter more active and healthy throughout the day (as opposed to sitting in a car). (And that’s coming from me, who loves driving, because sitting in traffic every day is not enjoyable. By reducing driving, I actually enjoy when I need to drive.)
In San Francisco proper it's quite easy to live without a car and a ton of people do. MUNI and BART in the City are very effective and have decent ridership. The layout of the rest of the cities in California is due to "Influence" from auto and gas industries to spread everything out and design cities for "automobility". But cities are slowly pushing back on it all and I think the future's looking pretty bright on that front.
Well I live I vancouver and we can give San Fran a run for their money in terms of homelessness and addiction in the streets
I’m 65, from the Seattle area, so I’m from one of the original “Californians Go Home” places in the country. In hindsight, I think it’s more about the world’s population increase than anything else. I used to hate on Californians with the best of them, but really, it’s the perception that people from “out-of-state” made “our friendly little town” into something too big and unwieldy. For Washington in the 70s and 80s, that was Californians. I don’t think I ever worked anywhere in 35 years where there were more than 50% Washington-born employees. People move around, but in general, it’s population growth. There’s about 150 million more people in this country than there were 60 years ago, and they have to live somewhere. Somebody in the comments before me talked about the percentage of the population of California moving around being a lot more than the percentage of people moving from Wyoming, and I’m all in on that. Sometimes simple math gives big insights into complex questions.
I was raised in San Diego and now live in the Seattle area. I moved up for work. My job involves traveling to other states regularly, and when I'm in places like Montana, Alaska and funnily enough, even Los Angeles and people ask me where I came from, I say Seattle. The response is often "oh, I'm sorry." I guess it's all in the perspective.
I’m getting the same thing lately. (We moved to Kansas 5 years ago.) I always had jobs where I often talked to people in other parts of the country. 40 years ago it was “do you have indoor plumbing and aren’t you worried about Indian attacks?” 🙄 20 years ago it was “it’s so beautiful, I visited/my cousin visited/my friend moved up there.” But in the past three or four years it’s been “I’m sorry, bet you’re glad to get out of there.” In my experience, it’s the result of too many people in a too-small area. Geographically, there’s no room to expand, and it’s gotten crazy. None of that is why we moved, btw. We’d been living near Mt Vernon, which is far enough out that Seattle is too far to go anyway. Like everybody else, I always just say Seattle because it’s the only city people know.
@@auntietara Yeah, I don't actually live in Seattle. I am in Gig Harbor. I say Seattle to avoid the inevitable conversation of where is that? I know where Mt. Vernon is as my daughter lives in Blaine, so I pass through when I visit her. IMO, I feel most of the hatred towards both Seattle and California (and I'll preface by saying most of the hatred towards California is directed towards Los Angeles and San Francisco) is due to the politics. When I think of any of those places, what pops into my mind is rampant homelessness, rioting and the government turning a blind eye. None of them are the quiet towns they once were, and Hollywood didn't help. But hey, if you're homeless, what better place to be in America than the West Coast, with Its temperate climate?
@@auntietara BTW Kansas eh? I'm sorry.
😂 I’m actually surprised at how much I like Kansas. We live just SW of Kansas City, just outside Overland Park. Everything we need is within a 5-mile radius. It’s lovely!
You have some great map videos but this is definitely the best video I've watched in a long time.
I have always wanted to compliment you on your good taste in music. Your collection of vinyl is similar to my own. From the Supremes to Iggy Pop and then some. That Fleetwood Mac LP behind you came out while I was at Ft Knox & we were able to see them in Louisville. I should mention I studied cartography. Keep 'em coming!
The day I saw the gizz record in the back was the day I knew Kyle had good taste
California is such a vast and diverse state, I don't think that there is a such thing as a stereotypical "Californian". I'm from rural Illinois and was stationed at Vandenberg AFB for four years. When traveling to southern California, I found that there was generally a very snobbish attitude towards outsiders. But when traveling to the central valley, I found the people to be generally very friendly and with the flat land and farms, I felt right at home.
Yeah, I get the same vibe. LA and the Bay Area are snobs cut from the same cloth, but places like Fresno and Bakersfield seem cool.
@@Josh1888USUgo aggies
Uh oh, don't bring that up! I moved from Texas to Cali about 12 years ago and encountered almost unanimous hatred of Texas from Californians, but we wouldn't want to challenge the narrative that all hatred goes in one political direction, would we?
@@JakeKoenigIt definitely goes both ways.
Being from Southern California I can confirm your comment as correct... with a few notable exceptions people from Central Valley California are generally friendly also hardworking
I'm from rural, Trump-country upstate New York. When I was an over-the-road truck driver and spoke to people just about anywhere I went, when they found out I was from New York, their faces clouded over, and their disappointment was quite palpable, especially in the South. It was almost as if I told them I had leprosy.
Should have said upstate NY and you probably would have gotten a different reaction
Donald Trump is from New York. Rudy Giuliani is from New York.
I always say I'm from rural central New York state. I learned whenever I said New York, people assumed nyc.😮 there's way more to New York than the city. In fact upstate New York was recently voted in top 10 most enchanted places to see by National Geoghraphic!!
all states hate New York the most
@@yvonneconte3040 Heck, rural California can be nice as well. The Sierra Nevada and the Jefferson region are nice places to visit.
I'm a transplant from Massachusetts and have been living in California since 2007. I would say that your assessment of this is spot on!
Born and raised in SoCal. I've lived in Illinois, Tennessee, and now Indiana. I'm very proud of where I am from - just the same way Texans, Hoosiers, and Southerners are proud of where they are from. I still wear all my Dodgers hats, I whip out rainbow sandals in the summer, and will tell people I'm from California. I'm not ashamed of my roots or my culture - cause that's what has helped make me into the person I am. I don't go around telling people that California is better. Honestly Cali has a lot of issues - the same way every other place I've lived in has issues. Every place has something unique to share - we just have to be open to experiencing it with open arms.
Congrats!
Just because other places have issues too doesn't mean they are not better. California has MORE issues than other states. While it has some good features, to most people there are better places to live, that's why it is losing population and people are leaving to better states. I am from SoCal too. You shouldn't be proud or ashamed of where you are from, because it doesn't matter. Be proud of what you've done, not what you've been given. There are definitely parts of my personality that are pretty Californian, and I wouldn't hide where I'm from either, but it doesn't really matter. What matters most is where you're heading. Are you proud to live where you do NOW, and why? The reason a lot of people hate Californians is because they are often prideful, even after moving to other states. If you're going to live somewhere new, you should be more proud of where you are now than before. If you don't prefer that new location, why did you move? It makes no sense to be prideful of where you are from if it isn't where you want even want to live. I'm proud to be American, because I think the U.S. is a great place to live. I'm not proud or ashamed to be from California, because it is not a great place to live. I'm proud to now live in Tennessee, because I think it is a great place to live. Makes no sense to bring pride from somewhere you don't live anymore. Key reason why people don't like Californians moving to their state.
To the “California is better than here” trope: I definitely experienced this in medical school in Ohio. There were about 20-30 people in my class from California who couldn’t get into UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, or Stanford so they left California for medical school. All of them complained about the Midwest, the vast majority socialized only with other west coasters, and they all talked about California all the time. The food, weather, and entertainment was just sub par for so many of them and they were very vocal about it. The vast majority went back to California for residency (and reminded everyone how they needed to get back). So, I understand that stereotype. I watched dozens of miserable Californians toil away in the Midwest for 4 years, complaining every second, and they couldn’t get out fast enough.
No place like home.
Exactly. No place like home. Born/raised in Cali, other states can be cool too but no place is like home (especially when that’s California). Been to many states but none have the variety that Cali does. Live in NYC now (for residency) and cant wait to get back to CA. The weather in NY stinks. I like being outside and the weather here discourages that kind of mindset. I dont mean to judge but just miss my home. I do talk about Cali alot tho and when people ask about it I definitely highlight the pros of living there (but now I also mention cons so people dont think I’m bragging or whatever). There’s a reason 40,000,000 live there, there is a reason houses cost what they do. Once you live there I dont see how you can live anywhere else (assuming you have friends/family there). It just has something for every type of person. Literally.
so college kids? lol
@@carstarsarstenstesenn Medical students in the US have already graduated college, and many don't go directly from college. The people I'm talking about were basically aged 23-35, probably average age of like 25
nice try, kid.@@carstarsarstenstesenn
I think politics is the biggest factor right now. If you check out the comments section of local news stations/stringers in California you'll see tons of California hate talk from conservative Californians themselves, and their reasons for commenting are always centered around politics.
Yes, Nancy Pelosi seems like a favorite target for conservative vitriol, so I think they expand their hatred to the entire state she represents.
You think liberal Texans don't hate the rest of Texas? I live in Austin. Do you have any idea how many people here despise their own state because it's mostly conservative? Or how many other US states think Texas is the worst state in America? You think all the hate only goes in one direction? I realize everyone thinks they are on the virtuous team and that the other side does all of the bad things, but that is the mentality of a small child.
@@JakeKoenig Thank you for putting a ton of words in my mouth.
@@dennisc6716 You brought up politics as the main reason for the California hate and then specifically blamed it all on conservatives. I guess none of the 30 million liberal Californians hate their state, right? Even though hundreds of thousands of them have moved out of it recently.
I didn’t put any words in your mouth. I just called it like it is.
@@JakeKoenig Because that's what it is in those comments. You tried to make this about other states. Check this video's title again and have a nice day. Or not, I really don't care.
hi Kyle. i found your channel during the pandemic. youre content rocks. thank you.
Hey Kyle, California is the only state that has proposition 13 ! My sisters ranch in Texas property taxes were raised 1000%. No other state can compete with our infrastructure, and I won’t even get into our weather!
You got that right!
Prop 13 was a disaster, and only helps those that inherit property. So this does not apply to most. Certainly never helped me.
California Proposition 13 from 1978 is great! Property taxes can only increase 2% from the last year.
The weather near the coast is the best.
Prop 13 is literally why you have a housing crisis and an unstable budget.
@@relaxedleisure4766 Silly. The "housing crisis" is caused by DEMAND & the budget is not "unstable."
I see lots of California elitists online trashing people from other states calling them hillbillies or backwards. I also see them talking bad about places that are in the interior of the country as being boring. They often use the phrase “I’d rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona” or fill in the blank with another state. I say this as a person born and living in California now.
As a Californian, I also notice this tendency and really dislike it. It really turns me off, and it’s made me understand why people don’t like us as a whole. One of the reasons I’d like to leave California IS because of this snobbery… Californians (who are not eager to move) do think they are better and that their state is superior, and they are not sorry. There’s no humility. Granted, not all Californians are the same, and the rest of the country doesn’t understand that there’s SO MANY Californians that are NOT the typical liberal elitist, and that it’s mostly not those types of Californians that are moving.
I’ll pay the price of being a disliked Californian in exchange for leaving these Californians they complain about!!
Thankfully for me, I am not from SoCal, nor from the bay area, so maybe if people are open-minded enough, they can learn that not all Californians are what they think.
You make a great point and I know exactly what you are talking about. I have lived in the Los Angeles area my entire life, 57 years. I have a friend here and she truly believes that virtually everybody in some other part of the country is some redneck or hillbilly out the film Deliverance. In addition, she is not the only person here in California that has a thought process similar to this. I have come to hate California and would love to get out. Yet, leaving would mean my wife leaving her family. I used to be a Dodgers, Lakers and Rams fan. Yet, now I have even begun to hate these sports teams because they represent this place. I could say more on the subject but I will keep it short.
I live in SoCal, and the majority of people I come into contact with are far from elitist. We are just hard-working folks making a living and trying to have a good life. I don’t imagine it might be any different in Iowa, Alabama or Vermont. People everywhere have similar needs, and where we live shouldn’t matter. A place to lay your head, family and friends, a good job, etc…that’s the good life to me!
Same here but I live in Solano County, CA the outer suburban areas of Sacramento and San Francisco. I notice some of the snobbery is also directed at Sacramento. I notice other parts of California like to scapegoat the Sacramento area when it comes to how water rights are handled. Also Sacramento gets scapegoated because some of these snobs like Tim Draper and his allies because they didn't get their way when it came to splitting the state apart all to hype up a utopia.
I lived in Colorado for 35 years, then moved to California for 18 years recently moved to Ohio. I left California because I could no longer afford to live there considering retirement soon. The taxes and real estate are outrageous. I am a conservative and moved to a conservative state and I’m very happy here in rural Ohio, I now have 5 wooded acres. I don’t miss the population, I don’t miss 110° weather, I don’t miss wildfires, I don’t miss drought and I don’t miss the crime. When I moved to Ohio I told my wife on the second day that we need to go get Ohio license plates for our cars so that we would not get our car vandalized at shopping centers with California license plates. And yes I have had the same reactions from people here in Ohio when they find out I lived in California. I very rarely tell people that I lived in California usually if they ask, I say I am from Colorado but Lately that has been getting the similar reaction since Colorado has moved politically to the right and the cost of living is very similar as well.
"I am a conservative and moved to a conservative state and I’m very happy here in rural Ohio"
After the votes this past week on legalizing recreational marijuana and enshrining abortion rights in the state's constitution...please...Ohio is not conservative!
@@BearWaller crazy times
@@BearWaller the large liberal populations in the big cities have outnumbered the conservatives at the polls. Two issues of importance to liberals on one ticket is a win for both
Colorado has moved to the right? No, Colorado used to be a red state, but has turned into a blue state, so I don't know what you're talking about.
Born in WI, moved to SF for 5 years and loved it. People were extremely welcoming. Then I moved back to WI and I miss CA so much. I think I speak more highly of CA than native Californians in my area. Nevertheless, I think it's very politically driven. Everyone here in WI blames Madison/Milwaukee for everything bad happening and the Midwest in general hates Chicago and Illinois. I used to be like that but after moving to San Francisco and seeing how welcoming they were, i changed my tone on people moving. We're all Americans and it should be up to the individual where they want to live.
Moved to San Diego from Milwaukee! I couldn’t be happier, you couldn’t pay me to move back. Everyone from home always bring up how I shouldn’t turn into a California liberal, whatever that means
Like the saying goes, “Hater’s gunna hate”. If they don’t hate Californians, then they hate Mexicans, or probably both. Let’s not forget they hate Jews and blacks too. They must be exhausted from hating so many things…
Been in Wisconsin for the last 6 years. There’s some really nice things but honestly Wisconsinites seem more proud than Californians to me, and for barely any good reasons.
Once again, it’s nice here but it’s not all that, especially if you’re not white.
Hi Kyle. When I moved from CA, I heard three distinct dislikes expressed. 1) Too many people are moving here! 2) Everyone is coming with cash and driving up their housing prices, and 3) You are probably a liberal voter. For the record, my new home was more expensive than what I left. I also countered that those 40 million Californian's weren't all birthed by native Californian's. And, that influx of people you mentioned, "we" weren't happy with the increase in our home prices in California either. At first I hid my CA connection. Not anymore, because I have a right to move wherever I want in this country 🙂 And, yes, California was never, that I saw, hostile to newcomers.
Fuck California
That is one of the biggest things that I miss about southern Ca. They are NOT hostile to newcomers. People from the cities are not. Rural areas don't do well with newcomers. Like you said, you have a right to live anywhere in this country.
Spot-on analysis. Mob mentality is a trait of human nature. As is jealousy.
I don't think anyone who hates Californians is in any way based on jealousy as you infer. Dream on with that one. Maybe less than 1%
Yeah I'm not jealous of everything being unaffordable
The only thing nice I can see about California is the climate, and I live in Florida. No jealously, I just want you 'people' to stop trying to destroy the country with your insanity.
if there was jealously people would be moving to California, not out of it. Google which states are gaining and which ones are losing population. California is losing population. Must be jealously huh?
@@dansands8140there are so many things that liberals do that piss me off. There are so many things that conservatives do that piss me off too. I hate how it’s come down to hearing one idea from a person and automatically assume they believe x, y and z. You can’t have discussions when so many assumptions are made.
If you go to California and ask people (not tourists, but folks that reside there) where their from, you'll find a HUGE amount of people from all over the country. I strongly agree with your assessment of this particular ideation.
Well that's kind of what California preaches though isn't it? Whereas by contrast the states that Californians tend to move to most definitely do not preach that.
I was a kid back in 1972, visiting my uncle in Pensacola, Fl. We were fishing with one of his co-workers who had moved there or as I found out, was transferred there from Los Angles. Being young and inquisitive, I asked him why. He said that the abbreviation Calif. meant Come And Live In Florida.
I’m from Houston and I think the political thing as well as the “Californian hate” thing are both overstated. Here it’s more the fact that southern culture and mannerisms are becoming extinct because of how quickly demographics have changed and California has been the #1 state people move from so the heat tends to be placed on Cali somewhat unfairly. Idk anyone who REALLY is just disgruntled to the core about it. Population shifts are as old as time.
I live in Austin, and lots of people move here from LA. A lot of those folks are very stereotypical Californians lol but I understand your frustration King.
Most of the hardcore stereotypical Californians who move are the ones who move to Oregon, Colorado, Atlanta, and Austin, so a Californian who lives in eastern TN probably assumes that most people who leave are like the Californians who moved to TN or Idaho.
I've lived in Austin since 2005, but I moved to Los Angeles in 2010 for about a year and then moved back here. While I was in Cali I encountered almost universal disdain and hatred of Texas. And all the times I've been in NYC it was the same story, everyone there thought Texas was the worst state in America.
I find it funny how often people completely ignore all hatred and bigotry from their own side of the political aisle and only acknowledge it coming from the other side. Which is pretty convenient, that way they always get to be on the virtuous team. 😂
@@JakeKoenig and yes the bigots always gets exposed for being snowflakes no matter which political side they are on. I used to be right wing but switched sides when I noticed the whining from the side I used to support and wondered didn't we accuse the other side of this stuff we are doing today.
"... moving out of California (are) Cory & Caitlin and their kids, Aiden, Brayden, Kayden and maybe Hayden." 😝 lol!
Colours (spelt the correct way) nailed to the mast first of all.
I’m a Brit and skied in California in 2003, then liked it so much went back and got married on the shores of Lake Tahoe in 2006. Then to the East coast for my wife’s milestone birthday and finally this summer on a Harley from LA to Chicago via Route 66 the wrong way.
So…. I have been welcomed with open arms everywhere in your land. Yours is a fantastic country full stop. Everywhere has leapt out at me from a movie set or a tv screen and having ridden and driven probably 10,000 miles in my time I have never encountered road rage, nor a harsh word in my dealings with an unfailingly polite population.
Do I have a “bubble” of “Britishness” that stops me from being taken as a Californian? I have no idea. But as many of the positive comments say it’s a tribal mentality and when you get to a personal level “people are nice”. It’s really hard to be a complete shit all the time. But politicians both side of the pond manage it as easily as falling off a horse.
So be nice to your neighbours and think like I do. Think that “It’s a Wonderful Life” with my all time favourite actor Jimmy Stewart emblazons all the good things about people across our TV screens.
Favourite Places in your world:
Heavenly skiing looking down and across into the deserts of Nevada
Arizona’s back roads of nothingness, just sheer empty beauty
Williams, Arizona. I really should have rolled up on a horse but the Harley was the perfect substitute
Lassen National Park
Arriving in New York under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge
Finally, The Smithsonian in Washington
And I’ve got a lot more to see - like that great governor…. “I’ll be back”
Even in CA we have the move biases. I live in the Central Coast and there have been many articles about LA people moving to the area (frequently referred to as retirees) and driving up housing prices, wishing for SoCal stores and the big one, creating traffic problems.
Media has been doing this for decades to generate viewers and readers and now with social media, everyone can do it. The old us vs them story.
For example, I lived in San Diego for only 2 years but I developed a bias towards “Zoners” as they were ruining SD and couldn’t drive. That and the Los Angelization of the area.
Thank you Kyle for another great video.
I'm glad you made this video, I see these kinds of comments everywhere online and even though I'm not from California (TN born and raised) it still irritates me, even if just for the fact that people have the right to move anywhere in this country they damn well please. Also I think that people should probably be mad about the lack of housing being built, instead of the people moving in.
I believe people see the snapshot of rich and famous southern Californian people ie Hollywood, LA and stereotype the rest of the state from this viewpoint. Another example of this would be New York City doesn’t represent the rest of the state at all.
Also San Jose and San Francisco could be thrown in for everybody thinks NorCal People are Venture Capitalists, Sacramento is like the West Coast Branch of Capital Hill. However there's the "Regular People" that are not on the news all the time like people that live in Solano County, California but their jobs are in either Sacramento or San Francisco.
I'm a third generation native of San Diego. My great grandparents moved with their sons from Nebraska to San Diego in the 1910's before giving birth to my grandmother in 1923. I broke that chain in 2000 though, when my husband and I decided to follow a job opportunity in Virginia. I haven't encountered any hate just for being Californian, and I even wear clothing with "San Diego" printed on it. It also never occurred to me to complain about how things are here in Virginia and say it should be like California. At least not outside my family and close friends. I do miss the more open-minded political atmosphere of southern California. And I do complain about having to drive in snow.
Fellow former San Diegan here! (East County, Lakeside.) My husband and I decided to move us and our two kids to Arizona six years ago, and it was one of the best decisions we could have ever made for our family. I hear Virginia is lovely! Cheers!
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Just found your channel. Big ups to you. Got you a subscriber. How nice to not see somsome play into the culture wars. As a liberal who lived in the Chattanooga area for 15 years everything you said has been my experience as well. And now I'm in Florida and essentially the same thing here.
As one who lived in Santa Cruz for many years, you make me laugh. . . .Having travelled around the West and Europe in recent years, I've never had a bad reaction when I proudly say I'm from California. I think conservative America hates California because they're jealous of our varied natural beauty, jealous of perceived wealth, and of our climate (they don't know how cold it can get near the ocean when the fog rolls in!). These people like to believe that we all live in Santa Barbara and drive Lambourghinis, hahaha.
Growing up in Oregon in the '70s, there was even back then a fear of California developers overwhelming the state and ruining its natural beauty. A popular bumper sticker read "Don't Californicate Oregon". So yeah, people are afraid of our numbers. But the truth is, in 2020, 7 of 10 people leaving San Francisco stayed in the Bay Area, and 2 of 10 went to SoCal, so we're not overwhelming anyone.
Being the largest state, the biggest economy, and the media capital, California is, for better or worse, larger than life. Many people hate "Hollywood", but they love the movies. They hate our liberal politics, but they love to come west to drive around and see the sites. So I think its really more of a love/hate than just out and out dislike that many people feel for California.
I also found that saying I'm from California when I was traveling or studying abroad had a better reaction than if I said I was American. Especially true during the Trump years..
Totally! Fair or foul, California itself is a brand, and overseas, the image is strictly from movies, music, fashion, etc. In their minds, California is the coolest place ever!
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I'm from Northern CA, and your video on "California's Norther Third" is excellent. I share with all my out of state friends. Because "my California" is no different then the rest of the US. I dislike the "disneyfication" of the rest of the US as much as everyone else. My home town, Lakeport CA has no chain restaurants, no corporate bars, none of that. If you want real America its still in CA. I normally shock strangers out of state and hear things like "I'm surprised your so normal." I'm sorry not all of California is LA or SF.
Not all of SF is “SF” ;)
Kyle, I want you to make a video like this for every state.
Love your videos!
Its politics, straight up. Ive seen it happen here. People who move from California seem to be given a more difficult time than most
Slightly off topic: I spent twenty years working outside of the US and traveling a lot. I found it useful to say I was from California rather than from the USA. You got treated better and people were more interested in you. Something I would say about California was that it is bigger than you think. Its north end is north of southern Canada and its southern end is more south than Casablanca.
I've done that as well. Internationally, being "from California" wins you more points than being "from the US"
@@GeographyKingwhy?
So people overseas don’t know that California is in the us?
We are ONE COUNTRY.
People move all over the US to improve their lives.
Sad to see how politics have trapped people’s brains.
100% 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 The whole country is your home!
True too and don't forget US territories like Guam, Saipan, US Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico and American Samoa.
i get that some states feel like a different country when you enter but, so many Americans act like youre some strange foreigner when you leave a region and go to another. ESPECIALLY, with Californians, as long as theyy dont talk like a Kardashian , then i dont care.
That is dismissive of the locals being priced out by rich Californians
Very nicely done video, as always. I really like California, and it has a lot of treasures for all of us as Americans as well as international tourists. My sister even lived in northern CA for a while and I loved visiting her there. Being someone that lives in the northern US, though, the thing that always gets me whenever I'm either on social media or actually in those places... the people from California and Florida tend to be very self-righteous about their warm, sunny climates, and often tend to be snobby with an attitude like "look at me and where I live, and why would anyone not prefer this to snowstorms". I could live anywhere that I want, and I do appreciate the seasons, although I do get sick of cold and snowy weather. But while they constantly brag about their climate, they are also not quiet about not having water, frequent earthquakes, wildfires, hurricanes in FL, unbearable heat waves, etc. A lot of Californians and Floridians are just blind to the fact that with constant warm and dry weather, the other problems come with it.
Your first couple answers feel more anecdotal to your personal experience rather than based on evidence either way. I think that many associate Californians with pumping our culture and exporting that to the rest of the country and it is easy to blame a Californian you see for bringing that culture with them. I have wonderful Californian friends who complained we didn’t have In and Out Burger in Colorado or that the amusement parks weren’t as good as the ones in CA. This is my anecdotal experience. Additionally with 1 out of 10 Americans being Californian everyone knows someone there and often its the Californians visiting, not the ones staying, that complain the loudest that things aren’t like Cali.
Interesting ! I am a Michigander. We have four distinct seasons. Winter is long and cold but also beautiful. The californians i know that have moved here always complain about the weather. It is so much sunnier, warmer, nicer and prettier in Ca. Than in Michigan according to them. Michiganders like the seasonal changes. One Californian i know says that everything looks better in Ca. Ive been to Ca and while it is a beautiful state, i love the abundance of fresh water we have here and the natural beauty of Michigan is dear to my heart. Everyone loves their home state and that is why no one likes to hear others trash it. Californians that i have known do seem to feel Ca. is superior. Thats just human nature
midwest weather can be quite a shock to native Californians... our "winters" seldom dip below 60 degrees.
10 points for the Mystery to Me album cover in the background. Fleetwood Mac's underrated pre-Nicks and Buckingham album. Oh, and I'm a Californian living under cover in Washington State, but the laugh of it is so are half the people in my neighborhood. It's sort of like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
As a native Californian (LA of course) now living in Dallas, TX for 2 years. This video is spot on in regards to what people from California do or don't do in other states. NEVER, have I EVER experienced anti-California sentiment. Thanks for vehemently defending us :)
Howdy from a Dallas resident ✌🏻
Oak Cliff, yes I admit it, haha
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Also, if you get away from the coast, the cost of living isn't that high. I have a 4 bedroom 4 bathroom and it is cheaper than my brothers house in Gilbert AZ. But I am 100 miles away from the Ocean.
True I’ve seen this trend. Great overview.
As a Southern Californian, I think this sentiment also exists within California itself and is just a strain of a general urban vs rural phenomenon. I used to live in a more expensive area of the Inland Empire, and you'd often hear complaints of Angelenos moving to take advantage of cheaper housing and the cultural shifts it causes, and admittedly I've taken part in some of it too, though I realized that locals likely argued the same about my parents moving in 25 years ago. It also exists the other way around where the IE was wholesale stereotyped by LA or SD folk as a crappy place to live based on San Bernardino, Moreno Valley, or Hemet.
I've since moved to a small town in the Mojave (still within CA) for work, and I do see that my coworkers who've also moved here miss their homes in SF, SD, LA etc. and call this place crap, and I'm hard-pressed to not complain about it myself. Suburban and urban California are just chock full of things to do as a younger person. Even my IE hometown of 100k people had unique things that would be hard to find outside urban/suburban CA, authentic food from all over the world made by 1st-gen immigrants, Asian markets, and a Japanese-style arcade, recliner theaters etc. etc. yet there was once a time before I moved away where I complained it too was boring and dreamed of moving to sunny beach, temperate SD. Moving to a small town has given me a lot of perspective on both ends. I truly feel bad for the people in the desert town I live in now since you can see online their home getting a bad rap, despite the people being some of the nicest I've ever met especially as they know I'm a "city dweller" moving in. It's definitely been humbling and it is refreshing to not be in such a bustling, competitive area and the toxic personalities that come with that.
I think part of the issue may be the perceived government overreach in California. Starting with the environmental movement in the 60s and 70s, a lot of the rules and regulations that came out of all of that were seen as difficult for companies and people to comply with, that may have started the discontent with the state. I really liked your analysis. You always bring food for thought, thank you.
I like California. It's a beautiful state, but of course has problems just like many places. Back in the eighties, I wanted to move to Southern California because of the climate and scenery. However, the expense even then was way too much. So, I live in a city with 4 seasons, and no water shortage issues, and it's much more affordable. But, I still love visiting California. I harbor no ill will to those Californians to move to our area. They seem to adjust fine and find the cost of living liberatiing.
Welcome to the club. I never knew people hated Texas until I joined the Military and was subjected to the hate for my state. Misconception about the people here is the main reason just like what you’re talking about Californians.
Maybe you joined the military when "Full Metal Jacket" came out? F Lee Ermey's Marine drill sergeant character said "so you're from Texas, all they have are steers and queers, which one are you?" WOW !
(gave you a like)
I'm a Pennsylvanian who moved to Michigan 13 years ago to get my wife back home to her roots, as it was best for our children's schooling. She spent 3 years 1984-1986 away from Michigan in Southern California, and to an extent became an authentic Valley Girl. Many of her valued lifelong friends are the ones she made while "in the valley".
In 2016 we opened our home here in Michigan to two of her friends who were going to be homeless for up to 4 months because no one in their family/friend support network out there was willing to take them in temporarily. That short stay turned into 2 months shy of living with us for 5 years. Neither drives, he worked for a bit but is now disabled, and she has health issues too, but holds down a para-pro position at a high school helping challenged children. They remain liberal, they mostly wear their LA Dodger gear a lot of the time, and I try to empathize with them but after 7 1/2 years living in Michigan, and more often than not, they just don't display midwestern common sense, nor have they truly assimilated into Michigan. A third friend has moved from California and has some challenges, but she's employed and drives, and living with them makes our taxi service for them now a rare assisting favor.
I was the fiance who attended their wedding in which my to-be wife was a bridesmaid back in 2001, The four days in So Cal was enough for a lifetime.
Hate is a strong word for it, but let's just say even for a live-and-let-live libertarian, I just don't get Californians, and that's okay.
What does Midwestern common sense look like? As opposed to any other common sense, I mean.
Do most of your impressions of Californians comefrom these two people?
@@margefoyle6796 thank you for the reply. There is obviously no defendable way in which I can come away from my original remark with a satisfactory response. I am flawed and biased.
My baseline for the perception of common sense comes from my upbringing with my first four decades in rural Pennsylvania - back east. An area where the "Ridgerunners" tended to live and succeed by the process that made outsiders and especially "Flatlanders" from urbanized Southeastern PA's behavior look foolish.
By definition, common sense is "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts". Moving to the Midwest, on a whole, the majority of rural, suburban, and urban folks I encountered exhibit a baseline or better judgment than the average folks I grew up with.
I am sure there are plenty, millions in fact, of the residents of California who go about their lives, loving their families, just wanting to survive another day and make the most and best of their situation. However, the middle-of-the-scale Californian is dealing with, adapting to, and making the best of radically different circumstances than folks from fly-over country. So the common sense they apply can be quite viable and sensible, however, it seems foreign to my view. God bless them!
Yes, that 5-year experience with that couple clouds and messes with my bias, but the people I met on that 2001 visit, the people from California who have come across my path in PA, and MI, or when visiting elsewhere, and my media exposure over 50+ years. and consumption of nearly a century of multimedia content {from entertainment to news} created out of California also skews my perception. The regulatory choices made by the citizens of that state, or tolerated by the citizens there also appear sometimes to be odd and something I frankly wouldn't want to have to endure, so I open-mindedly just want to live and let live and coexist. ✌
@jeffreymosher6334 Thank you for the thoughtful reply.
In my understanding, common sense is experiential rather than cultural. Common sense is not putting your hand in the fire or driving while under the influence. So I'm still not sure what you mean. I will say that in the 4 years I lived in Michigan (1975-1979), I saw very little evidence of much common sense from teenagers my age who would grab on to the rear bumpers of vehicles to slide on the ice, engage in unprotected sex (they were considering opening a daycare in my high school when I left), and drink and drive regularly. Going back home to California while still in high school, I saw very little of that (just drinking). So common sense seemed less common in Michigan in my limited experience. (Don't even get me started on the behavior of the parents I babysat for.)
I am very intrigued by the media representation that skews your thinking. Most news companies are headquartered in New York, so you can't look at California for that. But yes, there is Hollywood. What in particular skews your perception of California in a negative way?
Okay, I’m a baby boomer from upstate NY. I lived in the Bay Area from 1978 to 1981 for school, then moved to Northeast TN for a job. No one cared at all that i originated in a “liberal” state and moved from another “liberal” state. Things were much different then. East TN was moderately red, although no Democrat loudly proclaimed their political affiliation. I visited my friends in TN many times from 1981 till 2019 (the pandemic put a real damper on us 60-somethings traveling), and i did notice the general mood swinging to extreme conservatism. I agree with you, Kyle and some other commenters, that social media has a lot to do with divisions now. Since you’re pretty passionate about CA hate, how about eliminating the Karen hate from your own discourse? How did a girl’s name popular in the 1950’s and 1960’s become a pejorative? How would you like it if people referred to male “Karens” as “Kyles”, rather than “Kevins”? When i deal with Gen Z types, like when putting an order in at a counter service place, i have to use a pseudonym, because if i use my real name i seem to get veiled hatred. Let’s start solving our problem of demonizing others right there.
I moved to East TN from Southern CA. I've never had any problems, but a lot of people in the area that I have met are also from various other states. I will say that I'm from CA and no one has ever said anything negative to me. A lot of people born in the area find it fascinating, like all of CA is Hollywood or something lol.
Yeah we just won't associate with you as much as we would with native Tennesseans. The transplants tend to congregate in areas where a lot of other transplants are. Most of us don't care about California. The general consensus is that it can't be that great if y'all keep moving here.
@@docjw8914 it was great until about 25 years ago. Now it's hell on earth.
by min 4:10 there is mainly a mushy defensive argument that keeps getting repeated.
People here in PA say the same thing about those who come from Jersey. I’d love to know your thoughts on that as well!
Spot on video. I’m a Californian who has experienced this in Colorado. I was glad when I changed my Californian license plates. No more mean stares. 😢
My personal experience about California getting hated on pertains to the drastic difference in earning potential. People with California pay take that money and buy homes in cheaper states, which causes a lot of resentment among the "locals".
Very happy with your videos. Your recent California counties video was insightful and reminded me that I should make more use out of my CA State Parks pass and visit some of these areas.
Born and raised in Sacramento and have lived in Nashville 8 years. Very few people know I’m from CA. Totally closeted. Even though most parts of CA are leaps and bounds better than TN.
I'm with you on that.
It's honestly sad how much unjust animosity can be caused by ignorance or simply not understanding well enough. California is one of many examples, and you did a great job of explaining that in this video. As a native Californian myself (from central CA), the area I'm from is a perfect example of how wrong the stereotypes can be. (Though, admittedly, some stereotypes have decent reasons for why they exist, even if they aren't completely true)
Trying to find your channel, "The California View", but it isn't showing up in searches and isn't linked in your channel. Would you provide more information on how to find it? Thanks.
I’ve lived in five states, and I got to California in 1983 and have been here ever since…it’s hands down my favorite! The weather, the diversity of people, culture, and landscape are the things I love the most. Plus I was lucky to buy a house back in the 80s which put me on the path to retirement security. My wife and I travel the country frequently, not just because we have four grandkids back East, but because every part of it has its wonderful qualities and people; and I generally find that people are friendly and give you respect if you give it back to them generously.
The most disgusting thing about California are the astronomical gas prices
It explains why 25% of new cars sold recently in California are electric. 50% in San Francisco.
I live in west-central Pennsylvania, and my neighbor across the street from me just moved here from southern California about five years ago. I asked him why on earth he would move to such a humid (during the summer) and cold (during the winter) place from an area with nearly-perfect weather year-round?
Born and raised Californian now living in the Atlanta area for the past 8 years. I've seen the "hate" though being in the south it's a passive type of hate, and more like a "bless your heart" type of hate rather than anger. I know when I moved I found a lot of things that didn't make sense and that CA did better. I know I voiced that to a few people. I know, later, I was being a "typical californian" in the eyes of those around me. I understood it, and it made sense to me. They've known and understood a way of life different than I have and it clashed. However, this is common when anyone moves to another place. FL to NY, or NY to Chicago. But it's also very trendy to just simply hate on CA. "Let it fall into the ocean", "those crazies out there", is all you hear in the media. If people understood how backwoods a good chunk of CA was, they'd probably change their tune. But they only view CA as LA, SD, and the bay area and see some of the decisions being made (plastic bag ban, rules around smog/emissions, water restrictions, etc.). Having been this long separated, I can see both sides of the argument, though it's just silly to have an argument in the first place.
Born and raised in Colorado, moved to San Jose for work. There's definitely a lot of state pride in California, and it's cool to see.
It's also exactly opposite of what I've heard back home, so many people hate California from back in my homestate, and while i dont think it's deserved, I do think it's understandable to some extent. There was a good amount of "California branding" that would people would wear or show off, and when we're proud of our own state, it's kinda annoying to have it slapped in our face a lot.
I think California is a great state and has a lot to like for a lot of different people, but it's a little overbearing for how much people talk about it when we'd rather hear about our own state
Colorado born and raised here, my conservative family is always prattling on about how they think Califonia is a trash fire of a state; not very neighborly of them I think. My main complaint is how congested the roads have become and how reckless drivers have gotten to be since the mass exodus of Californias and Texans to Colorado. I am resentful that I will likely have to move out of state due to the rising costs of living here. The mass gentrification and development in my city over the last several years is catered towards the wealthy transplants from other states like the folks from California who bought the quaint house across from my parent's home for over half a million.
Perfect weather
I had read that the mass migration to California truly began after the Second World War and continued into the 60s and 70s. Another wave had happened that would’ve continued until the 2000’s which is the one you were talking about but this has been going on for decades beforehand, and one of the other commenters had mentioned about the mass migration during the Dust Bowl years of the Great Depression from the Southern Plains states, and the discrimination that they had encountered back then.
I had encountered some this heat for California and Californians. I find it rather ignorant that people are set in their ways and don’t give people a chance to realize that they are not what they had imagined them to be. I am certainly not liberal, and I’m not here to change anything. In fact I’m trying to I have been trying to learn and assimilate to the new state that I live in and so far I’ve been relatively successful. And yes I don’t go and say that I’m from California nor do I wear much of any kind attire from California certainly from no sports team even though I may have still some loyalty to some of them. California is not perfect and neither are Californians but I don’t like when people just spout off they don’t like California without any good reason. I will criticize California when I feel that they deserve such criticism they do some. Do you have this attitude that they know more about the country than other places and yet they have never been elsewhere or have very little experience . traveling outside of the state, having little to no interaction with people from elsewhere. This was rather lengthy. I thought you provided an informative video. Thank you for reading.
Californians are kind of (with Texans) driving up values in my area in Colorado. I could cash in, but where do I go and enjoy what I have as much. I guess I just need a good reason to move. I've always liked California a lot though. I realize I didn't answer your question, maybe it's the values (personal and property) that are changing too fast.
First of all, I've lived in California multiple times so just the fact that I move back means I love the place and the people. I live in Arizona now and I've openly solicited my friends to buy homes here after work-from-home became more popular.
Any time you have a lot of people from one area move into your state and they buy homes, those without homes are going to complain that housing prices are higher and those of us like me who own homes are going to be glad they are coming to cause real estate to appreciate.
It's not just California renters who are moving here. You don't have to own your whole home like you mention. You can have enough equity in your home and sell it and buy a new home outright in another state and then not have a mortgage.
I think there's the misconception you mention about Californians bringing their Liberal politics so I'm glad you mentioned it's about 50/50.
One last thing, Californians aren't moving to other places because they necessarily like those places. Some are moving out of the state to get away from what California has become.
To me, the "state hate" is so ridiculous. I lived all over the country. There are good things and bad things about every single place I have lived. I will say, I can't wait to move from where I currently live.
Where do you currently live?
If California is so great why don't they stay there
@@__-bz7wh I've lived here in CA all my life and intend to continue. Go ahead and live your non-Californian life where you please.
@@__-bz7wh some of us do.
@@__-bz7whpretty much entirely financial reasons.
Current Utahn who used to live in Boise. With the cost of living skyrocketing, particularly home prices, it’s easy to make a lazy generalization about Californians moving out here and boosting rent for everyone. Times are hard, and as a 30-year-old trying to save up for a down payment, it’s scary looking at prices and wondering if you’ll ever actually get there. So people read an article about how Californians make up the largest portion of people moving here and it’s easy to blame them.
Hey Kyle, I grew up in Lemoore, CA and lived there for over 20 years until I moved to Seattle, WA in 2016 for a few years, and now live in Grand Forks, ND for a year. Yeah I hear a lot of people complaining about Californians when I moved to Washington, but I didn't hear it when I moved to North Dakota. I don't mention that I lived in California much.
Lifelong Californian from Santa Cruz with family in the Midwest. I get this attitude all the time. Yes I wear my Niner, Warriors and Giants stuff and proudly tell people I’m from California. I love Ca. Why do people hate on us? Jealousy, ignorance, misconceptions and avid viewers of Fox tv. I find most people assume all of Ca is like LA based on television. If you live here you know it’s not. Probably most people consider whatever state they’re from home and think it’s better.
True. Oscar Wilde once said: "one hates that which one envies."
I moved to California in the mid 2000s and then Texas several years later. People aren't all that different. People struggle everywhere, people are just people everywhere. I think it's because California is pretty unattainable for a lot of people at this point so it's easy to rip on. I know that people here in Texas don't like the general changes happening due to growth in popularity of the state and it's easy to have a scapegoat. All the companies moving here from California are bringing jobs, and it's not like those companies all just came to Texas out of nowhere because they think Texas is so amazing. The Texas government lured most of them here with subsidies and such. There are always at least to parts to a story. California has a lot of good things about it and so does Texas. If I could I'd probably move to the rustbelt. Texas is getting too hot, the grid is a mess, the infrastructure of the cities can barely support the number of people moving here and we are going to run out of water. Nowhere is perfect. I'm originally from the northeast so those are the sports teams hats that I wear but I do see some Dodgers hats here occasionally. Oh I do have an Ohtani shirt, half the people probably don't know where the Angels are from haha.
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim -- ha !
I agree, that Texas weather is something else! I was in Houston for 4 years and its nothing but bugs, humidity and snakes. The people are great though! Some of the best neighbors I have ever had.
@@ZER0ZER0SE7EN always a California Angels to me lol.
@@Josh1888USU I've been here 12 years, lived in a few different houses and I've always had great neighbors, especially where I live now. It's nice, Texas has a culture established.
You said you have a channel for just California views? Can you post a link? I can't find the channel on TH-cam.
As a Canadian… I think there is a common belief (myth-conception?) held by a lot that Californians are superficial.
I'll take 10 Californians for every New Yorker you accept.
Kyle, I absolutely loved this video, and I love California. I love everything about California. I agree that people on social media have fun bashing the state. I don't live there and can understand why people don't like California, especially the politics and cost of living. Also, it is crowded, but the state seems to compensate very well with all the freeways and stop lights to make it easier to merge onto these freeways. I will admit that the homeless problem is a negative and that will never go away. Other than that, what's not to like. The weather is awesome, the people are much friendlier than the rude people in the northeast. The beaches and all the attractions can't be beat. It's a gorgeous state that has everything. Where else can you go to the beach in the winter and drive a couple hours to see snow in the mountains. I don't think I could afford to live there, but I love to visit California. I'm flying there this Thursday, and looking forward to having a great vacation.
Could you give a link to your California View channel? It's not the easiest to search for
Great topic. I couldn’t agree with you more. By the way, I’m from Michigan, but I lived in California for four years. I’m a Tigers fan, but also just a baseball fan and I do wear my San Francisco Giants hat frequently. If I were you, I would go out and make it a point to wear the hat!!👍