The Importance of Cloud and Tifa's Relationship
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- Cloud and Tifa are easily one of the most iconic Final Fantasy couples, and the most recent installment of the series does so much to explore what makes their connection so special. Join me as I break down how Final Fantasy VII Rebirth deepens their dynamic for a brilliant setup to Part 3!
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Cloud’s love for Tifa was why FFVII happens. It’s not even bias, it’s a fact. He tried to join SOLDIER to be someone special to Tifa. And if he didn’t hear Tifa’s voice at the train station, he would’ve never regained consciousness. Tifa is the most important character to Cloud.
There isn't such a thing as THE most important - Tifareth the sephiroth from kabbalah is the symbol here. It's inspiration was elaborated many times on yt.
Sephiroth and Hojo take away his humanity, Zack gives him a goal, Tifa anchors his being, Aerith unlocks his humanity, the rest of the group give him a family. From the concept it was always a group thing and a story of life and death. There's a reason that at the end of og Cloud only thinks of Aerith and the promised land.
@@wmen48 The problem is that they're comrades.
@@TonyKanameKuran at the end all are the same energy, creation of something new
@@wmen48 Sure sure...
@@TonyKanameKuran aahh you're one of those. Than sorry that Aerith cockblocked Tifa because she has game and for such a short time gave him a better romance.
In the way I read the Gongaga scene, Tifa was telling Cloud that she never needed him to join SOLDIER because he was already a hero, which is so freaking sweet.
No matter what he may have thought about himself; to her he is a hero down to his very core
Tifa is like the wife who tells her husband slipping into dementia that he doesn't even have to worry about the things he forgets because she's got him. She's got Cloud no matter what.
Omgggg so true 🥺💗
I think Claudia was referring to this when she told Cloud that he should find a girl to help him stay out of trouble, someone who knew how to control him if he tried to do something stupid, Tifa is the perfect type for Cloud according to his mother's words too.
@@himawari5932yea she was definitely talking about Tifa, because in Advent children she calls Cloud out for running away and being scared of failure.
I felt this because my father has Alzheimer’s and my mother won’t correct him on his memory. She allows him to remember what he can and if he gets something wrong she just helps him instead of correcting him. It’s really how you’re supposed to handle people with memory loss. The worst thing to do is to confront them about it. The mind is fragile
@@resetbutton7982I agree with you. Confronting them make them more confuse.
Kingdom Hearts 2 even said Sephiroth is Cloud's darkness and Tifa is his light
Cloud and Tifa deserve a happy ending together in part 3 after Cloud’s mind gets restored and after they defeat Sephiroth.
I can’t wait to see what they’ll do for the “Under the Highwind” scene. I would love the idea of Cloud and Tifa saying “I love you” TOGETHER (symbolizing how far they’ve come and the importance of their relationship).
The song reminds me of With or Without You by U2, which coincidentally reminds me of Cloud and Tifa.
I've noted that Aerith seems to be trying to get them together, while at the same time jealous to have not had a childhood friendship like they have.
Their dynamic is so obvious and I think the devs made an excellent job showing it through body language and eye contact, esp Cloud's gaze at Tifa.
The way the game treats Cloud and Tifa’s relationship made me think: Ok yeah this is the canon.
You could say the same for cloud x aerith actually
@@solgaleooflight8703 don't take the bait anyone :)
@@solgaleooflight8703aerith is dead so no
@@solgaleooflight8703you really can’t, because cloud NEVER shows any romantic interest in Aerith despite her constantly hanging all over him and calling anytime they’re alone a date
I guess the real Final Fantasy was a partner who accepts you and supports you through your lowest lows.
It's also rather telling that Sephiroth is trying to sever this particular bond.
Sephiroth is the biggest Cloti hater (but he secretly ships them shhhh)
@@liammcnicholas918bro is literally the best wingman 😂
@@liammcnicholas918and bro is unintentionally bringing them closer to each other💀
He tries to kill Aerith as well
@Mauldrom did he whisper to Cloud that Aerith was a liar, trying to manipulate him into not trusting her/killing her throughout the entire game? Or did he just try to make him kill her once before he (jenovaroth) did it himself?
Because while trying to get him to kill Aerith is one thing, the effort he put into trying to put distance between Cloud and the one person who has been consistently keeping him from losing his mind (re: Tifa) is different.
Tifa being grabbed by cloud as the stairs collapse on the tower before the plate falls - is the best shot in the entire series so far. It’s absolute magic
It's an amazing moment. When I saw that in one of the Remake trailers, it got me so hyped to see these two again and I was not disappointed in Remake or Rebirth. 🙃
Watch it in extra slow motion - it’s just everything . The lighting , their faces , the close up on the hands as they approach one another - it’s just pure fire. And also foreshadowing for so many other moments they save one another this same way - especially the very end of the OG game . I get chills!
The crazy thing for me is that, in comparison to the OG, Rebirth (and Remake to an extent) really shouldn’t have had soooo many Cloud/Tifa moments. But I’m sooo glad they do.
In the OG, it’s not until Mideel that you start seeing those moments with the 2. I’m excited to see how they expand their relationship even further. The way I see it, they are presenting their relationship as one that is “naturally” progressing:
In Remake, they share a hug together. But Cloud hugs a little too tight, briefly forgetting his absurd strength (which I found adorable because this suggested he’s never hugged anyone, and was so focused on comforting Tifa he forgot all about his strength).
In Rebirth, not only do they hug. They also hold hands, have intimate moments/conversations, and K.I.S.S.
So far part 3, how do they take that to the next level? Simple. Tifa keeps her promise of helping him. Only for her to discover, Cloud never abandoned her, and was there in her moment of need at Nibelheim. And when Cloud finally becomes his true self… their relationship will skyrocket to the next level.
See you guys in 2027 for Under The Highwind scene 😎
We'll be there to FINALLY see these tender and sexy moments!
Until we meet again my people!!!
It's gonna be a long 3 years via anticipation 😢
@@thehoneybunempress1664 I understand that feeling, dude. Three years is gonna be be indeed worth it once we all enter the lifestream and restore that dream.
Cloud and Tifa’s relationship is going to be extremely important in part 3 and I believe they will have way more interactions with each other than in Remake and Rebirth combined.
I would like them to expand the experience they both receive from the lifestream. Sure, we'll obviously need for cloud's mind to be pieced back together and all that, but what I would like to see is them expand on the effects of two people, inextricably linked by powerful memory, being physically submerged in the lifestream.
When I played OG FF7 the twist was interesting, but the relationship progression following the event read like cliffs notes. Instead I would like to see it hammered home just how much that experience in the lifestream taught Tifa about Cloud, and vice versa. They are swimming in the most powerful entity on the planet which is itself made out of memory. Imply heavily, or even show us, that they come to know each other in a very visceral and otherworldly way. Make the inevitable scene of Tifa's tearful realization really hit hard. Instead of just set pieces that briefly summarize true events, let Tifa feel the full extend of the memories, give her the full context of why Cloud suppressed them in the first place.
Could you imagine how it would feel to relive all the messed up stuff Cloud went through? Actually feel it in its entirety? Then have the revelation as to why he made the decisions he did?
It would be an insane emotional roller coaster for her. Now imagine what would happen to Cloud's self esteem knowing exactly how Tifa saw Cloud, and what he meant to her throughout her life. These were two people who constantly got in the way of their own happiness and the lifestream is an opportunity to break that barrier down and let them see each other unburdened in renewed light.
Square have already greatly increased the natural affection they have for one another in both parts. What I propose I think has the potential to create an extremely emotional scene for the two when they finally embrace one another without hesitancy.
@@Otis-Spunks I fully agree with that the OG made this feel like cliffnotes afterward. It's kind of jarring that you get this eye opening scene and your reactions afterward hardly cover something so impactfull. But honestly I felt like the characterization in OG was always cliff notes. People read to much inbetween the lines. Now in Remake/Rebirth its so much more intense. So checking on that scene again after seeing these characters in a new light is weird. But I guess that's because we've become accustomed to their new selves?
Anyway I do wonder how far SE will take this. In the end it's not High School Musical VII I get that. But at the same time you kind of can't imagine any other way for them to do it post lifestream. In the end FF7 is a character story. And this is the core of that story. Devs even agreed to that. The Gongaga scene already kind of made a silent promise on how the lifestream scene will go I think. But afterward until the final confrontation? You'd wonder how they will handle that. I mean it would be kind of lame for them to have this experience and revelations. Only for them to then get distracted by world ending stuff until the end. Then you get one scene under the Highwind and that's it.
It would go against all the constant set up scene to scene, chapter to chapter they've put in Remake/Rebirth. But if they will cover them having some meaningful dialogue and an intimate moment or two, or if she will basically hang on his arm for the remainder of the game. That's yet to be seen.
And I feel like specially if you get Tina for the date, ngl when they kissed I smiled like a little boy again.
@@oscarmorales8484 iirc it has been communicated via the Material Ultimania that the Gold Saucer dates are fan service and not purposefully linked to the story.
(However, I would disagree when it comes to Aerith's dialog on the skywheel. It provides a lot of meaningful context.)
But even with that said you still notice a significant hesitancy even in that moment between Cloud and Tifa. Triumphant as it was, it significantly lacks commitment both within the moment and when considering the context of Cloud's state of mind. The fake out, hug to kiss, I think represents this perfectly, as well as the childish awkwardness when exiting the gondola. Its a great scene, but it clearly represents their inexperience. In flower terms: it was a bud, not a bloom.
@@Otis-SpunksDepends on what you mean by canon I suppose. I think there isn't a canon date as in this one is chosen as the canon playthrough selection, because as you pointed out, they made it so it didn't impact the larger story. OTOH, they have also said that all the dates are canon in the sense that the high affection version represents how Cloud really feels about each character, regardless of which one actually happens in a given playthrough and they recommend you experience them all to see how Cloud stands with each person. It shows Cloud only has romantic feelings for Tifa. The writers didn't just accidentally have him only make a move for one girl. He loves the others but it's different kinds of love. I think that's the important thing the dates communicate taken as a whole.
I would agree that it was only the beginning, Under the Highwind should be the full bloom. Can't blow it all this early.
I agree with your other comment too, about how the lifestream is really one of the most intimate and personal things you could imagine for both Cloud and Tifa and needs to be shown as such.
After play so much of Rebirth I can see an interesting pattern: even if the Gold saucer dates are supposed to be outside the story , Cloud and Tifa get all those deep romantic moments in it. Meanwhile Aerith it goes lesser or just not the same deep up (untill the end maybe abit)
And I see more of those so-called Clerith moments in the side missions like that one Cosmo Canyon with the star signs or the date quest at Costa del Sol. It rlly says it all that it’s CloTi>>Clerith or nothing!
Great video btw, I appriciate all your hard work for making an amazing CloTi analysis ^^
I just want to note I love how you seemlessly insert your self inside the cutscenes. they are brilliant.
Great video. The development of Cloud and Tifa's relationship is one of the best alterations Rebirth made to the story. Moving some of the revelations from Part 3's Lifestream sequence to Part 2 was a great idea - I think it will make the story more digestible overall.
I also appreciate the fact that you point to why Sephiroth can't just kill Tifa. If Sephiroth just kills Tifa, he would essentially martyr her - Cloud would mourn but eventually rise up and seek revenge. But if Sephiroth can first discredit Cloud and Tifa in each other's eyes, he can sever their bond and weaken Cloud on a deeper level, making him more vulnerable to Sephiroth's influence.
Exactly. It's not just sadism or gambling, it's _tactical._ Sephiroth's goal is to break Cloud's will, so he can subsume him. Tifa is the one reinforcing his will and sanity. Killing Tifa would galvanize Cloud's will until Sephiroth is dead. That won't accomplish the goal.
The only way Sephiroth can break the bond between Cloud and Tifa without hardening Cloud is if _Cloud severs it himself._
He tried to force Cloud to kill her, which would be total victory for him. Cloud would not recover mentally from that. In all likelihood would not live long past realizing what he had done.
@@talmanes4589 Right. Sephiroth probably has to be careful not to make Cloud too much of a danger to himself, though, because as he said at the end of Remake, "I will not end, nor will I have you end."
Man no one makes character analysis videos like you man. Every time they’re so smartly delivered and so astute in their observations. And your editing just gets smoother and more finessed every time man it’s incredible. Every frame has a gag or a clever visual!! You’re just so goated man so proud of how far you’ve come. Thank you for being the worlds #1 Tifa stan. And thank you for wearing the tifa outfit lmaoooo
Thank YOU for being such a consistent and motivating supporter Snug. Excited to cook together soon 🔥
I think in the ultimania it is said that the Gold Saucer dates happen outside of the story (because they’re supposed to happen at the same time) but they took careful consideration to illustrate how Cloud would react to each person in the party, meaning each one is Cloud’s true feelings towards each person.
Man, do you understand the assignment! And your humor and creativity make this video all the more worth watching. Very refreshing to see in a fandom where I constantly feel gaslit about this story (mainly Cloud and Tifa’s relationship) Thank you for sharing! 💕🙏💕
Such a pleasant surprise to see you in the comments! I cannot tell you how many times I’ve watched Slow Burn lol. Thank you for the thoughtful comment, glad you got something out of my video ❤️🔥
@@xanderscut Ah, thank you 💕🙈💕 Slow Burn 2 is up now. Looking forward to making part three in a few years 😊 Hope to see more content from you, too!
The developers are working extra hard on the story and working even harder on Cloud and Tifa’s relationship and interactions with each other for part 3.
No more ambiguous storytelling. Make it understandable
This is objectively the best and most thorough breakdown of the main plot of OG FFVII and the Remake project. No other content creator gets it like you! Tifa is literally the key to Cloud's identity and his purpose in life. Part III will without a doubt be the best game in the trilogy as it's where most of the story happens and Cloud and Tifa will be center stage at unraveling the mystery. I can't wait to play it. Thank you so much for this amazing video!
Lmfao your editing is amazing dude.
I...wholly agree with you here. I somehow found myself almost crying for Tifa at the end...lost her home, family, friends, everything she owned, everything she knew, then in Remake her new best friend Jessie and her bar and livelihood, then in Rebirth she sees cloud being nuts and wonders if he's fake, then in spite of all he does, she stays with him anyway, cloud is all over the place but she remains firm and keeps him from going off the rails until Sephiroth is finally able to hold her back...and then she loses her new bestie Aerith and then sees cloud go nutser-er than before, the lifestream having shown her what's wrong with him and seeing him walk the route anyway and obviously no longer acquainted with reality. The devs weren't lying when they said we'd feel closer to these characters than any other...yup.
They removed most of the aerith romance present in the original game, she and Cloud seemed quite incompatible in this and I was glad for that, knowing about Zack this time thru (those two are cute too). Aerith confused me at the end talking about "liking" cloud and "knowing where she stands" ...in Japanese, Cloud responds using 仲間, meaning a member of a group of friends, tribe, or family. This makes more sense to me, if aerith was acknowledging no kissy kissy. Hope she finds Zack someday...
Tifa is going to *SNAP* in part 3.
Came for the Cloti content, stayed for the amazing song 😭
I know right? It’s just like when the teacher rolled in the TV to put on Bill Nye the Science Guy.
I like to imagine the reason Sephiroth doesn't sky stab Tifa is because she will dodge.
Yeah, Tifa moves pretty goddamn quick!
Ur right! Now i think about it too, Tifa's battle style is close range and her physical strength is strong and quick, yet Sephiroth is some type of this semi-ghost thing his agility is much below Tifa 😂
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Love this! Cloti is everything to me! I never thought in a million years we’d see them ever share a kiss. I swear I squealed like a school girl when I saw that for the first time! That gives me hope that we’ll see some more romantic moments between them that we never thought we’d see! Tifa is everything I love in a girl! She’s caring, she’s supportive, she’s not too nice, she’s badass, she’s been through a lot and doesn’t hide her vulnerable side. And I relate to Cloud a lot! No I was never kidnapped and experimented on or see my best friend die, but I do know what it feels like to be an outcast and not feel good enough for someone, and when you think you’ve found what you’ve been looking for to help you, even they say you’re not good enough. It’s my dream to find someone like Tifa. Someone who will help me accept myself and make me feel good enough.
Oh my god, you didn't only cosplay Cloud for this one 😂
One of the best cosplays no 🧢 😂
@@synntrifluxe7086Angry Joe did it better tbh
This deserves way more views the editing is on point not to mention its very well thought out
Thanks a million!
Can't wait for part 3 of this remake to see where their wholesome dynamic will lead them !
Cloud and Tifa's relationship is the only relationship (along with Zack and Aerith) that is NECESSARY to be a romance for the game's plot! Everything else can be a friendship and will even be BETTER as a friendship, but Cloud and Tifa need to be romantic because of their story and plot, that's why they're canon. This was an amazing video and incredible breakdown of their dynamic and their importance, and especially of how well Rebirth highlighted them in a VERY special and unique way, unlike any other relationship, exactly why all reviews talked about them and them alone in this light.
That makes zero sense. You can actually play FF7 OG with no romancing of Tifa. Again, there is no canon, there is no one important couple.
@@Silverfish-qv8ig I will just say one thing: play Disc 2.
@@Silverfish-qv8ig It makes complete sense? Cloud ends up with Tifa in the end, even if the player doesn't romance her. I mean, the plot is the plot. FFVII is not a dating sim. The whole affection point system is just for fun.
@@Silverfish-qv8igyou’re not getting the point. In order for the story to make sense, Cloud’s feelings for Tifa have to be romantic-that’s the whole jumping off point to his journey (wanting to be noticed by her, to be her hero, to be her special existence; this has already been established in the game and by the novels). Cloud’s relationship with Aer doesn’t have to be romantic at all and it still wouldn’t change the story. He is affected by guilt over not preventing her death. You’re talking about player choice for the gondola ride. Player choice stops there, even in OG. There are no branching paths. In the Lifestream event, Cloud’s feelings come to light that even Tifa didn’t know and they confirm their mutual feelings. They are end game. You can’t choose to spend your last night with Aer in spirit or go visit the FC or the church. Cloud spends it with Tifa. The compilation hammers it home. They now live together and raise a family. There is absolutely a canon couple.
@@jenniferchough Exactly what I meant, thank you!
The Tifa cosplay hahaha
I respect it. I question it, but I respect it
I respect it. You don’t see any men (if at all) attempt to cosplay her. It fits him well, I’d argue
This was a very sweet video. Just two awkward nerds who get lost and find their way together, I've loved them for a while now and you did a great job explaining why.
I’m glad I could! Thank you for the kind words! ❤️🔥
How is she an awkward nerd? She was a bully as a child and now she’s a gym girl who thinks she’s better than Johnny etc. Tifa is a classic 304.
@@jaybee4288 "Bully"? No she wasn't. She may have never invited Cloud into her group, but she never picked on him or harassed him or physically abused him.
@@jaybee4288 I don't think Tifa was a bully. She didn't hang out with Cloud as with the others, but that doesn't mean she bullyied him. In fact, they were always watching each other from afar
@@jaybee4288 If you don’t like Tifa then maybe don’t watch a video about her
Thank you so much for this video. Biased, I am a Cloti, but their relationship is truly part of the core of not just Rebirth but FFVII as a whole. I don’t have the words to even explain how much I love these two independently and together. Excellent work!!
Thanks a ton, glad it meant so much to you! Hope you have a nice day!
Love how you encapsulate the nuances of their love story so well! Thank you!
You’re welcome! And thank you for the lovely comment!
I don't particularly like the shipping wars, or the CloTi/Clerith labels, but Cloud and Tifa's relationship in Remake/Rebirth has been so enjoyable to play through. They are just dialing it up to 11. Every little detail, including Cloud's shift in tone when he speaks to Tifa, is such a treat.
I literally only knew there was a whole war about ships until I was looking at stuff for the end of this game, and bro for the limited time I’ve seen it in already over it, grown adults can’t accept that the story is more complex then they thought and that cloud likes 2 girls it’s so wild lol 😂
it is really cute I love how they are leaning into their relationship taking center stage for part 3, cause he’s gonna need her
its not even shipping wars at some point its just realizing what the story is doing if you say it as unbiased as you can. cloud does care for tifa, i would say he even loves her dearly. but aerith is important too as she pulls cloud out of his shell in the early parts of the game. its like aerith helps him be a better person and being good for tifa motivates him to want that more.
basically they both push cloud to be better in different ways. also cloud and tifa are basically canon. but people dont ship because of how canon something is. i think its okay to like cloud x aerith as long as youre not toxic (probably asking too much of shippers tho)
@@demifolk8940 100%, People don’t understand that without Aerith being as forward with cloud as she was, Tifa never would gain her own confidence, in this game and in the original Tifa actually spends most of it making cloud worse, because she allows him to miss remember things because she is afraid of losing him. But when aerith dies that effects her too, that was one of her best friends, and instead of lying to cloud she then goes and becomes his pillar when he needs her, to make up for all of the things she did to him. People can’t understand that for some reason like they both are PIVOTAL in clouds development, and not only that they are extremely important to eachother. Yet all people want to do is midigate the others impact to make their ship more valid or something it’s so dumb.
Like as someone who played remake first and then the original, and then went back through to play remake and rebirth. It is so obvious that the games push this Aerith cloud Romance, because it leads to one of the most heartbreaking scenes in video game history, when she’s effing murdered before his very eyes. Like that is traumatic, and to try and say he didn’t love her actively ruins that moment and makes it not as hurtful, it’s supposed to be one of three most traumatizing moments in clouds life.
@@justingabriel1765 okay I'm with you with other things but acting like tifa made cloud worst in anyway when she is the reason he isnt already wearing a black robe is just extremely off putting. This idea that tifa is suppose to correct cloud on how he remembers things when she is confused if she's the one that is wrong is just not it. She spends most of the time questioning what is real because of the head injury she sustained and is worried that she is misremembering things because of it. Even if she knew completely and 100% that cloud wasn't there that day (which he was) her and aerith collectively decide to withhold info from cloud for his own good. They see how the mention of zack screws with him and are worried his mental state can't take it. Trying to frame Tifa this way is negating her value and impact. You yourself are making her into something she is not and she's not a manipulator or a liar.
Aerith has her place and value in cloud's life of course as she holds this place and value in all the crews lives, but the impact and role that tifa holds in clouds life is meant to have a bigger impact. Even the va for cloud has said this. It's not meant to be disrespectful or put down aerith and what she means to cloud but to uplift tifa and cloud's relationship and what they mean to each other. Aerith's role as a cetra is to save the planet and Tifa's role is to save cloud.
@@justingabriel1765 He loves Aerith and Tifa. It's also rather telling that he denied that he and Tfia were in a relationship, but never denied that he and Aerith were in a relationship.
I needed this. Like a breathe of fresh air. Subscribed, thank you for showing others what started the journey and the significance which tends to be underlooked. The song at the end was the cherry on top revealing that you get it. Tifa is the way. Can't wait for reunion.
Thanks for your time and kind words! Glad I could make something that resonated with you!
This is the greatest analysis of the greatest relationship in gaming history, you’re a king for this video. You managed put everything I felt playing through these games into words
And THAT SONG I’m sobbing thank you
Wow that’s some high praise! I’m thrilled you got so much out of the video, thanks for letting me know ❤️🔥
I like how for once how you detail why the CloTi romance works in making the story of the Remake saga a much more compelling narrative, instead of digging yourself deep into into the endless hole of the shipping/canon debate stuff that doesn’t really need to be discussed.
I hope you can also one day make an analysis on why Remake saga so far actually does a better job in presenting the romance development far more than the OG, where I’ve felt under the opinion that a lotta issues arose in how romance was exactly presented in OG. Limits of the writing, and the angle of interpretation, is why I feel there’s been this level of contention amongst the fandom over Cloud’s supposed lover where I feel could’ve been avoided if the developers presented the romance development much better than what we’re left with in the OG.
There’s no doubt in my mind the CloTi scenes in the latter half were special, and it being pretty canonical engdame as far as I’m aware of it, but I really do feel romance development in the OG wasn’t always one of its stronger aspects because of the limits the devs were faced with in both tech and writing at the time. Especially when it got people into debates of ships and angles on the canon even with the expanded material released later down the line. That’s why I felt that the changes in the Remakes made for FF7 in expanding Cloud and Tifa’s development were necessary in bumping up the romance to make what the creators want to achieve much more digestable, even when we’re still left with all this discussion of differences in shipping and perceiving how things are, as the story we’re left with now does the job for us through visual language and presentation of body language to build up the romance development in a way the OG could not hope to achieve.
But in the end, we still have to thank the OG for what it is and still being a memorable experience, and at least giving the devs a framework on where and how they can improve upon it, and what we’re given now in the Remakes wouldn’t exist without the devs carefully crafting on it while still understanding OG
I’m happy to hear you resonated with the direction of the video! Always keen to cover more remake narrative in the future, thanks for the comment!
I agree, I never care about these romantic angles in games and movies because they just feel like bait for the people that gravitate towards that. Granted these characters are so well written and I might have a personal weak spot to this specific set up do to personal attributes and reasons. But even then I just check out with other stories that have this sort of tone. But here first and foremost it feeds into the plot. FF7 is a character story to a huge degree the more I ponder it. It's absolutely crucial for the story to have this element dialed to eleven. It's also just compelling set up secondary to that. Where most romantic tales fall in the same old boring tropes. I think all of this combined makes it meaningful to the game. But the story without this would be weaker for it. FF7 has such a strong connection to the party members. And beyond that there's the connection between these two.
I’m so glad this dude he understands how the FF7 relationships works between Tifa and Cloud those two deserve each other and they’re the real canon couples in the FF7 series….. that’s why I shipped Tifa and cloud so hard because they meant to be together
I love everything about this video. The first ffvii media I consumed was advent children, and then I played crisis core that built my foundation of cloti and zerith. I’ve always loved cloud and tifa interaction because they seem so *human* compared to most couples I’ve seen in the media, and even as a kid I found the subtlety of their relationship beautiful and found myself rooting for them. I love aerith as a character, but I just don’t find her and cloud as a couple interesting enough because for me it’s like the typical brooding guy and cheerful girl dynamic I’ve seen countless of times everywhere. It’s like, they made her so charming that ‘of course’ your main character would fall for her. Tifa’s story on the other hand, would seem small and dull in comparison. Yet she is one of the most grounded characters in the series, she might not be as mysterious and special, but her relationship with cloud makes the most sense because for me, a realistic relationship isn’t perfect. You don’t fall head first into it, you don’t change overnight for it, but you *do* work for it, struggle with it, and fight to protect it. All these qualities are present in cloud and tifa’s relationship. They simply endure and persevere ❤
Like I promised you back in that quiet old town~ ❤️
This entire video was such a delight! Thank you so so much for taking the time to make it. I can only imagine the hours and effort needed to result in this masterpiece. The editing, the narration, the cosplay, the songwriting, the singing-- everything was perfect ✨️ I found myself smiling and laughing while watching, and yes I did have a fantastic day thanks to you and your video. You're awesome man, I appreciate you 🙏🫶 See you in a few years for part 3!
This is literally the best comment I could have ever received! Thank YOU for letting me know how much the video meant to you, genuinely makes my day! ❤️🔥
Solid analysis. I always try to tell people it's not about ships or your preferences, it's just about understanding the story and understanding how storytelling works.
Yes. I think that's what really upsets me about this "debate". Whenever you simply talk about the story and lore in good faith (bc you're an actual fan), there's always a few people who accuse you of being a "shipper." "Oh you're just saying that because you're a shipper!" No, we're talking about a story that was presented to us by the writers. I don't care about someone's shipping preferences, but talking about and acknowledging what's Canon is a different issue. That cloud and Tifa just so happen to be a large part of it is just how it is 🤷♀️.
never saw someon explains this well , thx for the detailled explanation and im convinced FF7 wont exist without Tifa
Yes Cloud and Tifa, Zack and Aerith ❤
Damn bruhhh! This is probably one of the best breakdown of Tifa/Cloud dynamic. Great job!! People always say Aerith death scene is the most iconic but in the OG for me it was always the lifestream part with Tifa helping Cloud become whole again. It was very emotional. Now in the 3rd game, we are all rooting for our boy to find himself and go shred Sephiroth apart….AC style lol 😅😅
You know it! Thank you for the nice comment, hope you have a lovely day!
Am i crying? Yes, i am, the video was... just something else! Great job. I really love this couple, i mean... i loved them since i played original game back in the day... remake and rebirth have been giving them such a BEAUTIFUL relationship...!
It's so beautiful, flawed, romantic and real... like peak romance writing here between Cloud and Tifa.
Great job for your video! It was beautiful and fun at the same time!!!
And the song, OH THE SONG! congrats for it! because i was like this 🥺😢😭when listening to the song
That's so good to hear, thanks for the postive feedback! Genuinely makes my day to see others connecting with this video, your kindness does not go unappreciated! Take care and have a great rest of your day!
I'm actually surprise Square has been giving Tifa this much focus in the Remake series. In the OG, she only got this much focus After Aerith died but now she has so much focus especially on Rebirth. They're really building up Cloud and Tifa's relationship. What's more in part 3?
Well they did say that they want to things to be less ambiguous and they really wanted to flesh out the characters. Given that statement it’s really no wonder tifa has so many scenes. In the og people were so divided about who meant more to cloud and before part 3 a lot of people thought it was aerith, it wasn’t until the ls scene where we discovered that cloud and tifa has had crushes on one another since they were kids and his whole reason to become a soldier is because of her. This really threw the story for a loop so suddenly and made people wonder why she tifa didn’t seem more important to cloud throughout part 1 and 2. In these remakes they emphasize from the beginning how much these two mean to one another and rebirth really sets up their dynamic really well and focuses on those two more than anyone else further signifying who the game is really revolving around.
@@jamelgallagher6602yep, as I discussed, OG romance development really needed some work, and it’s no wonder why there was such a divide years later as I put it more on the devs’ ability to actually implement their intentions.
That’s why I’m thankful for the remakes, they make the romance arc much more visible to see compared to the OG with a lot of stuff put on the remake to expand on Cloud and Tifa to ensure that they made their romance development work.
@@jamelgallagher6602 I find even in the OG game you pick up on a lot of little clues to their relationship on a replay. It's definitely not obvious though, and mostly takes a backseat storywise. For me it wasn't the lifestream when I realized it though, it was when she left the group because she refused to leave Cloud when you find him in Mideel. It felt like the game very clearly telling me with the actual game mechanics that these two characters are tied together and you either have both or neither. I enjoy what the remakes have done, for a lot of the characters including them.
Exactly! She deserves her own little “game” and her story shown because in the original, it was just like she was there as his childhood friend who faught alongside Cloud and helped him out when he needed it. Also, if SE really wanted to break the FF industry and sapphics, developing Cloti as the biggest canon ship beside Tidus and Yuna is the way to go.
@@talmanes4589 yea it was a little more obvious that tifa felt something for cloud but we don’t see clouds feeling until the ls scene.
Your dedication and commitment to the cosplay as you narrated got a sub from me.
Tifa & Cloud ftw! The Highwind scene is gonna be peak
I guess its the scene that will wreck the cleriths for sure 🤣
@@xxH4rdC0R3xx Wren is one of the Clefairy snowflakes using sock accounts.
It’s going to be x-rated I hear 😂 ignore the fact that this was announced on April 1st
It's an optional scene. Was optional in the OG too, where one's affection level for Tifa impacts the outcome. Why would it wreck Cleriths?
@@divinearia1601 The Highwind scene between Cloud & Tifa is not optional in the final part of the trilogy. The Clefairies are already coping since Sephiroth killed Aerith in Rebirth.
I like Tifa and Cloud as well as Link and Zelda(Breath of the wild ),Sora and Kairi,Pit and Palutena,Arieth and Zack and Shulk and Fiora!
Naruto and Hinata, Luffy and Hancock, Natsu and Lucy and of course Cloud and Tifa.. so far only 1 of these ships have sailed.
“Pit and Palutena” Hold up
I can't believe that some players felt it was right to invite any other than Tifa on the sky wheel
This was so amazing! Thank you so much for this. It’s funny because if you pick and pull parts of the story out of context it can seem like Cloud is romancing both women, but when you look at the overarching story, themes, and character arcs it’s obvious that Cloud and Tifa have a special bond. While Cloud listened to some of Aerith’s vulnerable thoughts, he never felt close enough to talk to her about the fact that he’s going insane. Also, one thing most shippers seem to leave out is that he is incredibly thirsty for Tifa. It’s so obvious even Yuffie teases him for it XD. Another interesting dynamic I noticed is that in battle cut scenes they are often shown fighting together in the same shot like they are partners. In the Rude, Reno, and Elena fight in the beginning of Rebirth there is a fight with Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith. There is a shot of Cloud and Tifa fighting back to back while Aerith is behind them. Anyway, thanks again for the awesome insight!
In the Remake too it's so obvious he yearns for her. Remember the cut scene when they went back to the inn after fighting mini monsters? He definitely expected "something" when they went back together to her room.
He mumbled nervously when Tifa's face got close but then booom Tifa asked about what happend 5 years ago instead of "something" 😂 he was suprised😂.
And when she said they gotto go bact to the bar he asked "arent you tired?" 😂😂😂😂
Not to completely rain on your parade, but quoting you here, " In the Rude, Reno, and Elena fight in the beginning of Rebirth there is a fight with Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith. There is a shot of Cloud and Tifa fighting back to back while Aerith is behind them." Both Tifa and Cloud are more Melee style fighters, with Aerith a caster, do you want your caster on the front lines, or your melee fighters? That isn't a great example of them being "a couple" rather than fighters who have fought dozens of battles together and fight well together.
Im sure all the comments are gona be super respectful right.... right
This was phenomenal! Your analysis and breakdown of how Rebirth handled their relationship from a writing and storytelling perspective put into words what I have been trying to express since February 29th. The way that you connected all the dots from Remake->Rebirth and their relationship in OG and the foreshadowing of what is to come in Part 3 was simple and clear yet captured the drama of this story and these characters. And you made really great points about the Trilogy's storytelling overall - that it's deepening the messages and themes and impact of the original story we loved, not turning it into something unrecognizable for shock value. This was also really entertaining and engaging to watch - you have a fantastic screen presence, your editing is excellent, and your use of humor and delivery is fabulous!
Ultimately, what I love most is that you really made it clear what FFVII is really about, the human condition and how we are all trying to find and accept ourselves among life, loss, love, and tragedy. Cloud and Tifa's relationship is one of the most powerful vehicles through which we experience those messages and themes in FFVII and it's why it resonates so deeply with so many people even nearly 30 years later. It isn't perfect, there are trials and tribulations and misunderstandings, but they truly care about each other for who they ACTUALLY are - and that love and bond helps them get through the tough times so they are stronger on the other side. They are one of the most compelling couples in fiction and your video nails how Rebirth in particular develops and shows it at this stage of the Remake Trilogy. Kudos!!
Thank you so much for such a thoughtful comment! It's always a pleasure to hear how other fans connect to the series in similar ways, glad I could compile what a lot of us love about these games in a little package. Take care and have a good one!
They are pretty much each other’s anchor…Cloud has saved her from harm’s way, but has also treated her with care when she’s emotionally down as well, and tifa is always there for Cloud to lend her support, and of course literally liberates him from his psychological circumstance…They couldn’t have succeeded in their quest to saving the world without one another
Their whole quest doesn't even start without each other.
I mean when you think about it, everything they have ever known and loved has been destroyed or killed in some way or another, and the only things they have left are each other. People can say what they want about his relationship being romantic or just a strong family like one, but nonetheless, they've truly lost everything. Their parents, their home, their friends, Tifa lost the bar and her home, Cloud lost himself and was tortured and experimented on. Through all of that, the only thing that they had through all of it was each other, so you could see why their relationship is the strongest one in the game. Also, love your Tifa cosplay
... if I couldn't see your Subscription numbers, I would have thought you had a few million. It is criminal that you don't have more than 20k right now.
... you seem to have a deep understanding of proper story-telling and I feel like you hit the nail on the head with what Square might be up to with the Remake of this series. So many things you pointed out that somehow flew right over my head when I too had been looking for that next scene between these two.
... and the song was a nice little touch to sum up and drive home their feelings for each other. Through your lyrics and video editing, I understood when it was Cloud speaking and when it was Tifa speaking, and you ended it with their kiss. You are right to be very proud of your work here.
... I had a blast listening to it so here's my Sub. Thanks.
Wow thanks a million for taking time out of your day to not just watch the video but leave such a lovely message! I’m glad I could make something you resonated with, hope you have a great rest of your day ❤️🔥
Cloud and Tifa's relationship really starts to make me rethink the whole "your partner shouldn't be your therapist" thing. I mean come on, it's so obvious how much Cloud and Tifa make each other's lives better, especially how they support each other through their trauma
Is it bad that i wanna hear a duet version of that genuinely beautiful song you gave us in the end?
Genuinely makes my day to hear you say that! I'll keep your lovely idea in mind!
@xanderscut I mean, the lyrics are basically Duet material... GREAT Duet material, at that
Sidenote, I'm surprised you didn't mention their date at Gold Saucer in this video, considering... Well, ya’know...
@@BardockSkywalker Thanks again! I definitely considered covering the GS date but figured the direction of the video was more about their overall plot relevence and none of the GS dates have any bearing on the plot. Still an amazing scene though that I'd love to cover in the future!
@@xanderscut Cool
Now I’m imagining them singing it together…🥺
Dude props, great song.
I’m reminded what Yuffie said in the Ancient Temple about Cloud being unhinged: “Tifa just needs to crack the whip.”
Then later in the temple Tifa stops cloud from killing one of the Turks. I’m losing count how many times she’s stopped Cloud from killing people.
Yuffie is there for a couple of Cloud and Tifa’s important scenes. She’s listening at the door in Gongaga(“Kiss”) and is at the reactor in Nibelheim. If you do her Skywheel date you learn she knows Tifa had a crush on him before. I didn’t realize until watching this video that she’s sort of a voyeur into their relationship.
Thank you for this awesome video, loved your appreciation for the importance of their relationship. They're definitley the most developed and captivating couple. They made an cliché trope (the childhood friends to lovers) sooo much more intriguing. I always immediately feel the tension and hype, when they have a moment alone, especially because they have such a strong presence together. They really nailed the progress and realism of their development. There's this constant longing for each other, but a big wall, that stops them from getting closer. Yet slowly the wall is breaking and you can feel and see it with their body language aswell. From doubting each other and confusion in Kalm, where they're standing far away in the room (very distant), to later being vulnerable with each other, closer then ever (in Gongaga almost kissing) and calming each other with a simple hand gesture. The makers really care about Tifas and Clouds relationship, it's beautifully fleshed out, but it has it's ups and downs and where part 2 ended, with tifa not talking to cloud at all...that really makes me excited for their relationship in the third game....
(I just really hope they get their well deserved happy ending together)
Totally agree! Thanks for the watch and so glad you enjoyed! ❤️🔥
Really enjoyed this video from the editing, the cosplay, & the song at the very end! I could tell how much effort went into this & the video got me excited for Part 3 of the game; which won’t be out for another 3 yrs 😂 you have definitely earned a sub!
Thanks so much! Ditto on Part 3, I'll definitely be back to cover that!
Part 3 is gonna be the Return of the King of video games.
When I played the OG as a teenager the internet wasn't as present as it is now, so there were no theories or opinions of others to look up. Or at least I didn't do that. But I always thought the "romance" between Cloud and Aerith seems forced and for me it felt pretty one sided with Aerith being the extroverted one. So when I learned that most people saw a romantic connection in Cloud and Aerith I was shocketh :D Cause I didn't have that feeling at all in my playtrough. And of course when the TifaCloud Lifestream scene was happening there was no doubt about Tifa and Cloud being the canon couple. It always felt like Aerith was more of a "decoy romance", with everything making sense as soon as Zack comes to the picture and when we learn the real reason of Cloud trying to join SOLDIER. Which was always Tifa of course. And I don't wanna downplay Aerith here. She plays a huuuuge role of course. She saves the effing planet! But the one saving Cloud is Tifa.
I had the same response and playing through the remake trilogy now just codified that feeling. I never get the sense that Cloud enjoys being around Aerith, as she's the one constantly grabbing him and pulling him aside. Cloud GOES to Tifa, and is way more like himself. Even at the end, when Cloud gets the White Materia from Aerith, it still seems like he's just humoring her. Yes he clearly cares about her don't get me wrong, it just feels so forced, like you said, as some sort of decoy relationship only to make what happens after more impactful.
Cloti is canon and how do you only have 20K subs you deserve much much more my guy
Really sweet of you to say that! Thank you for watching!
Also rebirth on the other hand does give us more clarity on Cloud & Aerith relationship dynamic. Aerith for sure developed feelings for cloud too the same with Cloud. Then the final church scene Aerith confesses that she likes cloud. But she's not sure what kind of "likes" she refers to, she may be hinting that she wants to hear Cloud's feeling/comment about that, but then Cloud didn't respond her statement and just being shy. That's when Aerith got the clue and realize that's where they stand for and she gets her closure about their relationship before she say goodbye to him for real.
None can deny Cloud's affection to Aerith is there and he cares for her a lot too. But it's a great story telling that he doesn't see Aerith in "romantic" way..
fyi, Cloud has optional dialogue in the church scene:
EN / JP
Yeah, Next time / Yeah, Of course
I mean, why not / Because we're firends
Regardless of what line we get, it doesn't effect the story coz both lines still convey similar intention.
In JP, "we're friends" is a more straightforward answer, while the other is a little nicer.
In EN, their relationship nature is shown by Aerith's "At least I know where we stand".
Those words are said when you realized you don't share mutual romantic feelings.
@@sincerelyme77 Ohhh the japanese even clearer XD The english one is better then to sympathize with Aerith's a bit
Japanese scene frames what was said a bit differently, Aerith pushes the idea of them 2 making more memories Cloud can respond that she sees her as a friend or just agrees yes lets make more memories. Its still vague but imo the body language and gestures alone show the interest is mutual just if Cloud isnt romancing her it might be platonic or just him not truly understanding what he wants because his mind is still broken.
Besides in Remake part 1 when she warns him not to fall in love with her he asserts hes still coming for her, I really do think hes just not aware how much he truly cares with how trauma can make you doubt a lot of things even feelings of love. Even in the Tifa date he brings up Aerith probably still has feelings for Zack signaling hes probably focusing on Tifa now that he thinks Aerith might not like him in that way and even asked if she still cared in Gongaga only to throw shade at Zack not being there for her, these arent actions youd do if you only considered someone a friend with nothing to look beyond that.
@@gatorssbmI respectfully disagree with you here.
FF7 is not an otome game, so there's no different path if we romancing certain character or whatever. Player sure has freedom and get different narrative in their playthrough. Even so, the story doesn't change. Cloud's feelings doesn't change based on player choice. It's reflected in the gondola date.
If you don't mind, here's my opinion:
Cloud can show his affection to women, including Aerith, without being in love with them. Cloud cares about Aerith's well being. His response about Zack is how a friend showing concern.
A bit personal here, but what Cloud does to Aerith in Gongaga and Tifa's date reminds me of my guy friend to me back then. He shows his concern coz he knew Aerith still has feelings for Zack and Zack's death news must be hard for her.
For me, Cloud loves Aerith. But love doesn't always mean romantic.
In Rebirth, we have Tifa and Aerith confessed to Cloud.
With Tifa, he reassured her with a hug (and a kiss) when she's questioning their closeness.
With Aerith, he deflected them.
In GS he moved the topic to Zack/Tifa. He only did something after Aerith told him "just until the ride is over". With Aerith saying that, I think she actually already understands Cloud's heart. Cloud himself wanted to make her happy, hence he gave her an interlocked handhold. That's where he drew the line.
Aerith appreciated that hence she thanked Cloud after they got off of the gondola. And Cloud said "he didn't do anything", coz he genuinely wanted to comfort her.
Imo, the dream date is more about Aerith confirming her feelings for Cloud. And she's confused. However, Cloud didn't do anything to reassure her confusion about her feelings for him.
His response to Aerith is very different with Tifa's. I think if he has a bit romantic feelings for her, I expect him to initiate something like he did to Tifa.
Furthermore, If you pay attention on their sq dates in CdS, Cloud acts "cold" to her advances.
However, in the dream date, She's happy to know that Cloud actually wants to make more memories with her and enjoys her company. If we have Cloud saying "because we're friends", Aerith looks a bit dejected. It's because Cloud acts "cold" like he did in CdS.
However, whether we get "friend" or "of course", the rest of the scenes are still the same. Because both lines has the same essence.
I saw someone said the optional line seems like one sentence split into two.
Coz if we combine "mochiron" and "nakama dakarana", it becomes "Yeah, of course. Because we're friends"
And I think it's a good interpretation.
In short, Cloud and Aerith may have romantic moments, but for me, even until the end they don't have that romantic bond. Aerith even in Remake already said to him "Even if you think you have, it's not real".
And I think Cloud and Aerith understand this.
What I see in Cloud and Aerith is a beautiful deep friendship.
Two people who are initially connected through one beloved person (Zack) but in a short time they developed a strong bond and become an important presence for each other.
That's my opinion and sorry for the long ass reply 🙏
@@sincerelyme77 I still think half of it being vague is due to him not recognizing his own feelings and feeling split between on who to chose and he doesnt even know who he truly even is yet, the way he regrets losing Aerith in AC I dont think is on the same level as someone like Zack. Both meant a lot to him but its clear who he prioritizes when he wants to be forgiven, you can still frame Zack as him blaming himself for not being able to act and yet only Zack comes to him not the other way around. As for Aerith being a bit confused its because she had future memories in part 1 and she knows her death will really affect him greatly if he does fall in love with her which I feel did happen but he didnt properly get to express it so he broke down crying losing someone really valuable to him, I feel Barrets date foreshadows of him telling Cloud if he likes someone tell them before its too late and Cait Siths fortune which warns him he will lose what he cherishes most. That and repeatedly throughout both parts theyre called a couple but they never directly disagree with anyone they just roll with it and of course Zack finding out Aerith has feelings for Cloud via Marlene in another world. Square really put them in an odd zone, not outright confirming they love each other but strongly implying they do, probably to keep both ships afloat until part 3 just lets Tifa take center stage.
And just a bonus point but mental trauma even in real life can make it hard for someone to be authentic or in some cases vulnerable in any way hence him not exactly committing, even in on the way to a smile novel which is before AC Tifa asks Cloud if he loves her but he just stays silent probably due to a fear he might lose her too. But Id still never say Tifa is just a platonic friend despite his hesitance, I just find it silly folk write off its impossible where both dont have feelings for each other because of X when theres a good chunk of evidence its reciprocal.
It's insanity that after 27 years this debate is still going on. Not only is Cloti canon, but it's arguably more canon than the vast majority of FF relationships. Why? because unlike things like Garnet and Zidane, Tidus and Yuna, or even Squall and Rinoa, the story of FFVII depends on Cloud and Tifa being in love. With all those other relationships they just start when the game starts and nothing really depends on it.
But FFVII can't even start without Cloud and Tifa. Without their relationship there is no Cloud, there is no backstory, there is no "why" behind everything that happens.
The entire story falls apart, which becomes EXTREMELY clear when you look at advent children and ESPECIALLY all the extremely poor takes Cleriths have about it.
It’s not canon. Cloud not having a relationship is canon. Tifa was just a big pair of melons and no one talked about her as a character for 27 years, just about her pixels. This canon stuff is new to the remake.
^ u good clerith stan?
@@jaybee4288 "WAAAAAAAHHH WAAAAAAAAHHHHH 😭😭😭" - You
Here's the problem. Unlike those other romances you mentioned following 7's release, a lot of how stuff revolving around romance throughout the OG game felt like it wasn't the best presented aspect of the experience, where while the experience of the plot was memorable, it threw people into a lot of this interpretation discussion.
Can you blame people for debating when there's so much that goes on that throws players on the loop of whether there is a canonical framing or if the real romance was *really* as player-choice as people thought it was like other games that happens to give romance choices. Clearly both limits in writing and technology, and the intents of the devs on the romance development within the main plot itself not always having the best implementation, really fueled the conflict of interests of an aspect the fans really cared about that the devs didn't predict to such a high extent.
There's even the debate on the angle of how if there's a love triangle or that there's no romance at all, even with the inclusion of special scenes with Cloud, Tifa and Aerith like FC, LS, and the Highwind Scene, and I can see to some extent why. It's cuz the development from Cloud himself and whomever the game presents as his love interest, whether it'd be player choice and interpretation or the devs' intended romance choice for the plot like Tifa, the moments with Cloud and either girl to showcase romance development don't always have the best presented buildup like dialogue and moments within the main story that tailors to romance outside of those aforementioned special moments (and in certain cases of player choice of dialogue options and the GS date), and Cloud not showcasing much of his feelings towards either girls before the LS sequence. Let's not forget that somehow there even exists two versions of the Highwind Scene based on affection that gets people debating on thinking you can get Cloud to affirm his feelings for Tifa or not.
That's why I get pretty pissy thinking about OG's romance, since seeing how much contention the fans have over this, I partly blame the devs for not making the experience of the OG's romance much better presented and resorted to using a lot of spin-off and extra material released later down the line to try to clarify things that only resulted to more debates, and am just glad that the Retrilogy really fixes the overall presentation and intent of making CloTi's romance an essential part of the narrative through improving its development through the main plot and showing Cloud's relationship with each party member through visual language.
@@jaybee4288 SHUT UP. THAT'S NOT TRUE. Tifa is more than just fanservice in the OG. She has dialogue and her own insecurities and doubts. She doesn't always go acting lewd or sexual or anything like that just because she has a huge bust size.
Cloti is canon.
Love the rope analogy! Tifa is the left Cloud's real sanity honestly
Looking Cool Xander!
Cloud and Tifa sure are very cute together!
Hope you’re doing great my dude! I’ll be working hard on my next videos too!
I wish at the end of FF7 game whatever title it was SE will finally do the final chapter of this story,
I really wish cloud and tifa get married and have a children on their own , so the war between cloti and clorith are finally over.
❤😊
Just loved everything about your video, from the cosplays, to the editing and storytelling. The song at the end was the Cherry on Top!! 😂
For me Cloud and Tifa made always more sense and I just really hope in the last game they don’t miss the opportunity, to give their beautiful established love story finally a very clear and satisfying happy ending!!! They deserve it!
After all the shared trauma and support they gave each other, I just don’t want the ending between them to be unclear and up to your own interpretation, I want an official (non optional) romantic ending! 😂
From remake to rebirth they already made their interactions and development so much better, so for the third game, I’m very interested in, how their relationship gets even further from now 🥰
I’m right there with you! Thanks for the thoughtful comment and praise, have a good one!
Well take this for what you will. But the Gongaga scene was basically the devs saying what's going to happen at the very least during the lifestream scene.
In Gongaga she learns about what Cloud did for her at the bridge the day her mom died. He even failed there. But the point is what matters to her. He then opens up a tiny bit about his fucked up head and fears. This almost leads to a kiss until it's interrupted.
So you can imagine that the lifestream scene. Where she learns what he did for her much later. In a much more important moment. After the promise. And what price it took from him. And then find out about his bottled feelings and his motivations of being a solider. Well lets just say if her reaction in Gongaga was attempting a kiss in the heat of the moment.. It's the devs basically telling you. Also this time there won't be anyone to interrupt her. This will be unskipable as the original I bet.
Everything after that is in flux. Hopefully they just keep the same character interactions going but this time they are truly opened up to eachother. And then that concludes with the Highwind and maybe a scene after it's all over. But you at the very least can guarantee yourself what will happen at the lifestream. Also they already did a kiss at the GS so you can also infer that it won't be a carbon copy of how that one happens. If you know you know lol.
I do hope so aswell. I think the story is much better for it. Only fucking game where I tolerate romance and find it important 😂
CLOTI is my favorite couple in FF7. I love them so much. Thank you for making this video🥰
Im with my people right here!
Welcome. It’s a great feeling isn’t it💙
All of the aerith fans disliking the video lol
You got it right, they’re Aerith fans. They’re not fans of FF7.
And Clerith fans, especially those xD
It was a great analysis and I agree with most of it.
I think this kind of couple is the most ideal relationship in the story.
Cloud has a goal but doesn't know how to get there
Tifa, on the other hand, knows how to move forward, but has no specific goals.
They make up for each other's shortcomings and realize what they truly need to do. At the same time, they learn what kind of person they are to each other and how important they are to each other.
And there's Sephiroth
Sephiroth also believes that Cloud is important to him.
He plans to make Cloud his puppet through endless despair and pain.
But Tifa stops it
Sephiroth is someone whom Sephiroth must keep a close eye on because she is the only one who creates Cloud's independence and lifts him up from his suffering.
The main reason I prefer Tifa is the end game for Cloud is because she is literally the only one who cares about Cloud before all the mess (SOLDIER, Sephiroth, Mako) untill the very end (He went doo bee doo),
just simply a boy/man named Cloud,
The others respect/notice either him because of his ex SOLDIER's tittle or his ressemblances with Zack,
I dont care how the other side of the ship downplays Tifa's role in this game, to me they just don't have comprehensive understandings of FF7,
Many of Cloti fans on another hand respect and love Aerith, I love Aerith how can I not, I just disagree to romanticize their relationship, as she said
"I really like you, but the thing is... there's a different between liking... and "liking""
Let me tell you what, this is quite common phrase in shoujo manga, like so common, and this indicates platonic relationship at its best.
So rest this case, Cloud-Tifa is an end game.
This is a great take imo. I have similar sentiments. Always being a constant to him in his life even when he doesn't realize that himself is massive for his character growth once he finds out. You just hope they do it properly. Also I would add that there's one person who also shows this before his ex SOLDIER persona (other than his mom) and that's Zack. No wonder he got so messed up after his death. Zack is a gem. Maybe not a real hero like Cloud. But in the hearts of everyone he sort of is, what a guy.
I also really find that ""I really like you, but the thing is... there's a different between liking... and "liking"" so painfull to hear imagining myself to be one of those Aerith shippers. It's like hearing yourself getting friendzoned in a game. I can't imagine anyone hearing that line and feeling good about the characters arc they were so invested in. How can they continue after that? FF always has the most ridiculous arguments within fans it's insane. I guess that's what happens between people who are prone to fantasizing lol..
For me it was sweet. I already knew right away this was where it was going between them. And I can understand Cloud. He has a strong emotional connection to her. But that doesn't have to be a sexual or romantic one. This is clearly illustrated in the interactions.
I'm sure the guys don't respect Cloud just because of his background in Soldier, actually I think it's the opposite especially for Barret.
Despite it's true that Tifa is the only one who knows the real Cloud and the one who supports him since the beginning, the others don't see Cloud for his title or for who he claims to be (except Aerith because of Zack) and I'm sure they don't even realize how different this Cloud is compared to his real self.
They just accept him for how they know him and see that he's a good guy. They don't try to change him or have any strange expectation about him (again, except for Aerith), he's an integral part of the group for them and that's how you know they love him in their own way.
Obviously one wouldn't be able to handle what's happening to Cloud as much as Tifa, both because of her knowledge and because of her special bond with Cloud.
I can see why she'd be the one by his side always, but it's mostly because they don't know any better and the fact they're sticking for him this far even when he started to act really weird, shows how much they love him.
I think there's a big difference between Tifa being the "only one who loves Cloud for who he is" and "everyone loves and respecs him for who he is now, but only Tifa knows who Cloud really is since the beginning".
Because let's not forget, Cloud's persona goes beyond Zack and Soldier. It's still an important part/version of him, his ideal self and part of the reason why Cloud ends up accepting his real self at the end. Without his persona, he wouldn't have been able to go through this journey the way he's doing now in the first place.
So even when the guys are gonna discover who he really is, they're not gonna treat him any different, because they've always seen the good in him despite all. If anything they're gonna love him even more because of how much he's gonna be able to open up at the end.
As I've always said, every single one of the characters in our party, has a characteristic that connects them to Cloud.
Cloud finally being himself is gonna resonate with Red who has hidden his innocence from the party in the hopes they would treat him like one of them, Cloud's motion sickness is gonna make Yuffie resonate more with him and I believe they're gonna end up helping each other through it. Cid and Barret are gonna appreciate Cloud's heart, Cid in regards of Cloud following his dreams through his determination and Barret through how much Cloud has suffered because of Shinra and despite all continues fighting for his loved ones, probably making him think about how Cloud wanting to protect Tifa, is very close to him wanting to protect Marlene. And finally Vincent will see Cloud as someone who has suffered a lot by the hands of Hojo, as someone who has overcome a lot and he will be happy about how Cloud could let go of the demons of his past, since he also went through a lot because of Shinra and instead lived through years of self loathing, the way Cloud has also been doing for basically his entire life.
I believe the pay off will be great between Cloud and Tifa, but I'm also looking forward to Cloud finally feeling loved by so many of these people who became special to him throughout his journey.
@@laurajanco2i Yeah hopefully they really hammer it home with all of them back at the Highwind. First the two of them and afterward the party. In the OG it's these kinds of things that trigger me the most. It all reads as cliffnotes like someone else said on here. But they are throwing it out of the park so far so I have faith they will do this justice.
Exactlyyyy! That goes the same for Zack and Aerith as well. That’s honestly why I don’t get the ship wars because isn’t everything right in front of our eyes? Not sure how others are interpreting it differently, but they are damn well spewing every other theory or BS to prove and support their ship…
See I would agree with you, except I literally just had an argument with someone for the past couple of days simply because I said I’m pretty sure both aerith and tifa are supposed to be love interests. Like I literally agree with absolutely everything people say with cloud and tifa, because how you could you not it’s what happens, but then people completely downplay Aeriths scenes like that isn’t the point of the beginning of the game. People act like love is simple it is not it is a complex mess, and in a game that focuses on and tackles so many issues and complexities, to say the romance in the game is “simple” is to ignore the entire rest of the game nor the point of the games being the way they are you know
I also hate when people say “you just don’t want cloud to have platonic friendships” like he has 6 of them. What are you talking about. I feel like if your completely in bias about who you like more or what you want you can’t deny either side its right there. People will go into detail about why the ship they like has all this evidence and then take the other stuff at face value like that’s hypocritical
Preach it brother and i love the song at the end, a wonderful tribute to our power couple.
Well done.
The TH-camr cosplaying as Tifa is so damn hot he keeps distracting me 😂😂😂😂😂
Literally the best comment I have ever received (thank you!)
love this!
just one tiny bit of correction if I may: Seph doesn't come back in time, he's still the same like the original: after he's "killed" by Cloud in nibelheim he went to lifestream and learns some knowledge, including cetra knowledge (white & black materia) and possibly the fate of the planet.
can’t jenova/sephiroth also mess with his memories? if they can, isn’t that also why he would know how important tifa is and why he insists on getting her out of the picture? at least that’s the conclusion i came to.
Bro, you deserve so much more subscribers and likes. This analysis is amazing. And the final song made me cry.
Thank you.
That is so sweet of you! Really flattering to hear it made an impact on you, hope you have a lovely rest of your day!
That was a beautifully done video! Your analysis of Cloud and Tifa and their importance in the narrative of FFVII's story is just *chef's kiss*
How you do not have more subs is beyond me, you deserve more!
Really melts my heart that you think so! Glad you enjoyed and thank you for the lovely comment! ❤️🔥
Bro, that song at the end was a fucking banger, goddamn that was good.
Bro really pulled an Oprah and put a song under our seats when we watched for a video essay
Amazingly put together! Really enjoyed your view points between the two. And the end song, oooon point!👏
(you also fit in with the scenes! haha brilliant!)
Thanks for the flattery! So happy I could make something you enjoyed!
I haven’t had this much fun watching a video on top of it being so well thought out and explained. Your editing made me laugh so hard so many times too. Can’t wait to see what you do next man! (On my way to watch the rest of your library lol)
That's so very kind of you! Glad I could make your day even a tad bit better, thank you and take care!
Tifa doesn't just win the ship wars, she's the quintessential love interest. Ever since I got obsessed with the nature of stories, this stood out more. She's the girl next door, she makes him want to be a better man, she sees his essence where he doesn't see it himself, and she literally makes him whole.
Aerith is a mcguffin.
Aerith is a living MacGuffin, but she's also trying to relive her first love with Zach vicariously through Cloud.
Aerith really is more of a plot device than a character, since she's absent from 60% of the game in the OG version. I do like the dynamic with her and Zack though.
If were talking about OG Aerith yeah she just kinda exists with a few good moments then dies
As for the remake Aerith eh Id argue she brings him out more at least before part 3 drops and finally focuses on Tifa. Ironically the song Hollow talks about Cloud feels whole around Aerith which he does indeed show in the remake way better than the OG, its all themed around how he wont be able to handle his loss of something like that. Tifa will fill that void for sure but not until after the lifestream sequence because despite the good moments they share she still cant fully let her guard down because of conflicting memories between the two and it doesnt help she does lie to him a few times even if shes not trying to be hurtful.
Sure its also Clouds fault for also not putting his guard down and not communicating to her pre lifestream memory sequence but overall it shows both sides dont exactly let each other fully be constructive and in part slightly less genuine. Just seems quite dumb to me to write off Aerith even if she isnt his pairing in the end but if you were only talking about the original Id kinda agree, they really did a huge glow up on how much shes helping Cloud slowly show his softer side. Both do in different ways but imo Tifa only gets as nice as Aerith until both Cloud and Tifa finally drop their guard and embrace each others support.
@@gatorssbm Her impact on the story, and Cloud, are both greater after her death. Unfortunately for Cloud, the main thing Aerith brings is more trauma into his life, in the short term at least. Anything positive she did to bring Cloud out of his shell is undone when she dies. Cloud ends up worse off after than he was before. It's the proverbial last straw for his mind after losing so many he cares about and Sephiroth takes him over completely for a time.
It really wasn't until Advent Children that she actually had any kind of net positive effect on Cloud imo. Her and Zack do eventually teach him the lesson of accepting and forgiving himself for their deaths. To let go of the guilt and live his own life.
That's all based on the original story. Obviously, we are only just at this point in the story with the remakes. In the remakes, I do agree that she was helping bring him out of his shell. But nothing she, or Tifa, or anyone else did is going to keep Cloud from hitting rock bottom anyway. It's ultimately the deep connection and shared memories he and Tifa have that makes it possible for her to help him. In the remakes, he opens up to Tifa more than anyone and he obviously loves her, but even she can't keep him from getting to that point.
This is also all without even mentioning Aerith's biggest role. She basically becomes a deity when she dies and saves the Planet. Then later helps save it again when she cures everyone of geostygma.
Yes, I answered your wall of text with a wall of text :). Have a good one, friend.
Aerith is a pretty bad friend to Tifa, when you think about some of the things she does: trying to steal Cloud, making her jealous when Tifa does no such thing to her (and is in fact always considerate of Aerith), and making cloud seem unfaithful- Aerith must know what they feel towards each other- she is the smartest out of them after all. I do like Aerith, but she becomes a much better character where she has less to do with Cloud romantically, and more to do with the story (or as a friend who opens his eyes to what Tifa means to him). Her purpose is the macguffin, not the love interest. Tifa's relationship with Cloud is complicated for sure, but this is not a critique, it's the point.
Edit: Tifa sees Cloud's essence. Aerith doesn't. This should be the only argument needed, when it comes to storytelling. Tifa knows who Cloud is, even more than himself.
This was an incredible analysis of not only Cloud and Tifa, but their relationship and dynamic as well. Every character plays a role in supporting Cloud, but it’s Tifa that plays the most important one. You have to imagine what she’s going through too.
She miraculously reunites with Cloud, only to find out he’s a shell of his former self, yet she can’t fix him, because she doesn’t know how. The attempts to do so fail, and her diffidence and own flaws aggravate the situation. So, she’s working through her own issues while also trying to balance helping Cloud, but then there’s this underlying fear of losing him again; which is also why she’s always the first to try and rectify his flare ups, regardless if things are tense between them or not. It really shows her mental fortitude and the love she has for him. While Tifa is a very compassionate person, there’s no way she would go to the lengths she does for Cloud if the foundation of their relationship wasn’t already concrete. It really shows just how much they affect each other, good and bad.
And as a bonus side note, imagine if she never ran into him in the sector 7 slums? Cloud would’ve remained in a catatonic state and turned into one of the robed men. He only snaps out of it upon meeting her. Multiple times, Tifa’s the only reason why Cloud doesn’t succumb to Jenova.
Glad this video popped up. Great work. Lots of things are in motion only because Tifa was there
Great video! Also nice cosplay hahah. Keep up the great work and fantastic song at the end as well!
Thank you for the nice comment! So glad you enjoyed!
amen. Tifa and Cloud❤
Phenomenal breakdown! I love all those small intimate moments of them comforting each other. The talk in Gongaga is one of my favorite scenes in the game, it's such a powerful and important exchange.
Loved the video man! The song was a great touch at the end as well. Can't wait to see more of you videos in the future.
Makes my day to hear you say that, thank you!
This was incredible… thank you!
Love this! And amazing cosplay. Now the dreaded wait for the final game.
Thanks a ton! Anxiously waiting right with you!
Ok, I loved the song at the end, well done ❤️😍👏🏻 the informations were fantastic too 😌
The final song was just right on spot about their relationship. I almost cried... Nicely done.
Amazing comprehensive video and the song is adorable ❤
Excellent deep dive into Cloud and Tifa's relationship
Bro I needed this breakdown, this makes so much sense, well done 👍🏼
Great video, and loved the ending ❤❤❤