Are Bigger or Smaller Miniatures Best for Learning?

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  • Following another viewer question, Uncle Atom tells you what he thinks about whether size matters when it comes to learning to paint wargaming miniatures: big ones or small ones?
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  • @anotherzingbo
    @anotherzingbo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I feel that intricacy is as important to consider as size. An intricately detailed model, even if small, can be intimidating and a challenge as it will require lots of fine detail work and care and be time consuming to complete.

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      This is a good point. However, certain types of detail mixed with the right techniques (washes and dry brushing) can make you impress yourself pretty early on, which can make you inspired to keep painting. Thanks for watching!

    • @anotherzingbo
      @anotherzingbo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tabletopminions true, detail that respond well to washes or drybrushing can be made to look impressive and provide a confidence boost. Chainmail springs to mind as something where it's fairly easy to learn to make it look good! It was stuff where there are several things that need to be painted differently all crammed together that I was thinking of. Some GW miniature can be bad for this, sometimes there doesn't seem to be a single unadorned square millimetre on a miniature!

    • @josecarlosxyz
      @josecarlosxyz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats not true

    • @anotherzingbo
      @anotherzingbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@josecarlosxyz what's not true? Given I was expressing an opinion rather than claiming something as fact I think we're going to need a bit more of a counter point from you here. 🙂

  • @FluffCorporation
    @FluffCorporation 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Hi, can i just say as someone who watches a lot of painting tutorials, you have completely nailed your audio, nice work.

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I appreciate it. Audio is surprisingly important in videos, so I’ve worked on it, especially since many of you are usually listening to the videos while painting. Thanks for listening!

  • @mwyler3390
    @mwyler3390 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely agree with Uncle Atom. First model I ever painted was Thanquol and Boneripper. The mistake I made was feeling pressured into painting my centerpiece AND my first plastic model. On top of that, it was a gift from a friend who was really eager to get me to play AOS. That was extra pressure put on myself because I didn't want my friend to think I was ignoring the gift altogether by not starting to paint. I painted it painstakingly but I was paralyzed with decisions to make the whole time. I suppose this is more a word of caution for the experienced hobbyists trying to get new folks into the fold, but best avoid such "extravagant" gifts (in hindsight it was a vile gift, getting me to play dirty skaven).

  • @bocatt9202
    @bocatt9202 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    My painting adventure begins this weekend! Hopefully. After a long time away, and coming back to AoS 2.0 I finally bought an army. I'll be starting on rank and file and moving my way up the chain of command, using as much wisdom from Uncle Atom and other painters as possible along the way. Thanks for all your great videos!

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sounds like a great weekend. Have fun, and thanks for watching!

    • @MrSJPowell
      @MrSJPowell 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Welcome to the hobby!

  • @jerryriner1891
    @jerryriner1891 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Little Green Army Men are awesome practice models!

    • @marsbitegaming
      @marsbitegaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jerry Riner i have never thought about that

    • @jerryriner1891
      @jerryriner1891 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@marsbitegaming That's what no one pays me the big bucks for. I am only here to help; if I may. Happy hobbying!

  • @BlackJackLegacy
    @BlackJackLegacy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I’d agree. Even experienced painters get bogged down on bigger models. It takes more thought about colour schemes, it magnifies any mistakes (and gives more opportunities to make mistakes) and generally will take so much more time you’ll feel a little daunted as a new painter.
    Stay small, learn the basics of blocking in colours and feel that amazing feeling of seeing a completed figure.

    • @digitalcthulhu143
      @digitalcthulhu143 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed. My first model was a Tyranid Trygon. As a new painter my folkart paint disappointed me despite stripping the paint off like 3 times. Got a small set of orks and it hasn't been as bad.

    • @BlackJackLegacy
      @BlackJackLegacy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Digital Cthulhu - as long as you’re happy with the end result then it’s a hobby win!

    • @digitalcthulhu143
      @digitalcthulhu143 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BlackJackLegacy Yeah I guess you can say that. Soon I'll be ordering the 72 paint set from Vallejo and see how things turn out.

  • @OnPointHQ
    @OnPointHQ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great and insightful video. For me, I started off on small miniatures as I was terrified of and intimidated by bigger more detailed miniatures. When I finally took the plunge and stepped up to a bigger model, a 1990's Lord of Change, I was amazed that the techniques that I had learned on the smaller miniatures worked when scaled up. I think it would have been more difficult to scale down from big to small and so that was definitely a hurdle conquered :)

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That’s a good point; learning techniques large and then trying to scale them down doesn’t work too well, for some reason. Thanks for watching!

  • @adamledrew4489
    @adamledrew4489 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got my best friend into mini painting by using Reaper Kobolds. Working on the same sculpt makes for easy conversation about how we were gonna paint each piece while being on the same page, and by letting the new painter keep the relatively cheap minis encourages them to continue growing their own collection.

  • @jooshjooshministhetics8048
    @jooshjooshministhetics8048 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I own a Glottkin, and it's by-far my favorite Nurgle miniature.
    Hours upon hours of intricate detail, skin bruising, slime dripping, etc..
    I did the time and picked out all the pimples and blemishes and even the eyeballs.
    Definitely a fun ride when you're an intermediate-advanced painter though. I can see it being very tedious and overwhelming for first-time painters.

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, I would steer newer painters away from a model like that. I really should sit down and take the time to build and paint that model soon. Maybe over the winter? We shall see. Thanks for watching!

  • @alexhope3288
    @alexhope3288 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    There is also the cost though, like if you were starting out it is a much bigger investment if you were to buy a larger model.

  • @bentosan
    @bentosan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    The best miniature is the one you actually would like to paint

    • @L3GHO5T
      @L3GHO5T 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well said! When I started (how I started) was walking into games workshop a picking the box of model(s) I liked the most and the correlating paintings to get started. Worked great 5 months in and totally addicted

    • @josecarlosxyz
      @josecarlosxyz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      its the one you can actually paint and be satisfied with the result

  • @Mendosa8512
    @Mendosa8512 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I started off with a Army Painter Starter Set and 4 metall goblins and 1 metall dwarf and a plastic human(about 35€ so it was quite cheap aswell)...@some point I thought...wouldn't it be easier to paint larger models...but I quickly fell in LOVE to get into those details :D
    Thx 4 the awesome content!

  • @r4fide
    @r4fide 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find that the time and money commitment aspect is really important for new painters.
    When learning to paint there are few things more disheartening than having to work on the same model for a long time. Smaller miniatures can be done rather quickly, and if someone can take their first finished mini back home that gives a huge motivation boost. And if they didn't have fun painting, they can still keep that one and don't have an unfinished figure left.
    It also really helps if the model is inexpensive; if someone is struggling with that, thinking they'll "ruin the model", remind them that everything can be undone and if push comes to shove it shouldn't be hard to get another copy of the exact model. As you said, the Reaper Bones or Wizkids Minis are perfect for this.

  • @maxxon99
    @maxxon99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Start with simple models if you're learning painting. Ones with as few extra knickknacks as possible. E.g. Citadel easy build skeletons or easy build gaunts are good -- just a few colors and very few small details.

  • @duogemstone
    @duogemstone 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scale was the main reason I got into painting minis in the first place, got back into gunpla and I just didn't have the time to build/paint one up ( 3 months one kit) loved painting it though and since I play DND figured why not give painting minis a shot. Love it and the fact that I can finish a mini in a day or two helps keep the burnout at bay

  • @felixhaimson8921
    @felixhaimson8921 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My thought here is that small models also allow you to practice the tiny detail work, and get good at that right away, so that when you do get to bigger models, you *are* better at the little bits, like bumps and hoses and little spines, and don't have to worry as much about those small details that really bring the piece together

  • @Ragnarök_1127
    @Ragnarök_1127 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for answering my question Atom!

  • @jeremyhodges8627
    @jeremyhodges8627 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started with gretchin (about $16 a box for a bunch of models) and I am super glad I did. I did sub assemblies for them and learned a lot on my first painting session and was super happy with all my first grots.

  • @1xoACEox1
    @1xoACEox1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the reasons I love the Primaris stuff is them being just that bit taller and chunkier. So much easier and more satisfying to paint than fiddly little ones. Had to paint some Tau for a kill team recently and oh my god I wanted to kms. Painted some terminators just this week and it was like a breath of fresh air again.

  • @nerdfatha
    @nerdfatha 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the speaks to me after I have now painted a big guy. Mantic Giant. I had to treat it like exercising. had to have a leg day, and arm day, and a body day. Then all the crazy details. a week later id still see stuff I missed and had to go back to.

  • @grud8495
    @grud8495 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As others have mentioned correctly. It is not just the size of the model that matters. The amount of fine detail and complexity also matter. What also matters is something that I cannot find a right word for. Some models you almost need to paint to a higher standard for them to look good. Other models can have a very basic paint job and they will look just as good. What you call that exactly, I don't know, but it does make a difference in the end as well. Stormcast eternal and a Primaris intercessor marine, are both great examples of the right mix of all those things for a starting painter. I would even go so far as to say that is by design.

  • @WanderingCelts
    @WanderingCelts 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So small is better, however more questions, metal resin or plastic, how small ? 28mm, 54mm and what is the easiest win for the new person. Toy soldiers, starter kits or random choice. Maybe a guide or recommendations for each genre, fantasy, wargaming or historical. Or even a poll of your followers? I would love to hear even peoples viewpoints.

  • @sebastiantrost6409
    @sebastiantrost6409 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started on cultists and a hellbrute from 40k. Big and detailed is my advice as you get a great progression rate and it is easy and rewarding to get it done. But cheap cannon fodder is also great as base colours and a wash of agrax earth shade is all they need to look the part for the small time they live through the match. But after the first few colours you might switch to assembly lines to be more efficient with your colour.

  • @Sormor8021
    @Sormor8021 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I first started painting, I grabbed some of the Reaper Bones packs of goblins. Those helped because I didn't feel bad at all about completely messing up and trying new techniques. I still do that if I want to try out something that may or may not work.

  • @deano2099
    @deano2099 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agree on most of this but not on wet blending. I learned on a big model (Imperial Assault Rancor) - you don't need to know your stuff, you just need to know you have to get something to mix with the paint to slow the drying time. Once you know that, having a large model really helps as your "blended" area is so much bigger and you can actually see the effect, and see how using a wet brush blends things together, see how you get the gradient to work and so on. Then on smaller models you can scale that down with a good idea of how it's meant to work.

  • @chrisberry6933
    @chrisberry6933 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    GW Ogors are the easiest, funnest models I've ever painted.

    • @patrickmohrmann6540
      @patrickmohrmann6540 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      skin is a tough part to start. I would recommend something with fur or scales, so easy textures which provide quick wins with easy to learn technics like dry brushing. For example Beastmen, Seraphons or skeletons are classic recommendation I give. Not many paints needed (saves money for beginners) everything is drybrushable (and drybrushes can be any brush) and easy textures

    • @connorf6862
      @connorf6862 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would say easy to paint but hard to master. To really perfect skin is a bit of a craft, haven’t quite got there myself.

    • @drowningin
      @drowningin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I had a white paint on my first skeleton. When it dried it turned pink. I have a pink skele! Why did it do that?

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I haven’t tried them yet. I heard they’re going to have a Warhammer Underworlds war and, though? Maybe I’ll paint that up when it comes out. Thanks for watching!

    • @U2QuoZepplin
      @U2QuoZepplin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chris Berry I must get myself some Ogres actually! Not only are the Ogre Kingdoms range a fantastic and brilliant set of models, they kind of marry well with The Army of The Empire and although I want my Empire soldiers and knights to win on their own merits, a contingent of Ogres allies solves a lot of problems with The Empire’s vulnerabilities.

  • @fredoblong
    @fredoblong 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally painted my 1st set last weekend, the 6 monsters from Horrified. Think I made a great choice only took about 3 hours and very simple models. I am hooked!

  • @BiologyIsHot
    @BiologyIsHot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mid-sized ones with lots of extreme texture so you can get the confidence of using dry brushing and washes to great effect really easily.

  • @SpicyBean
    @SpicyBean 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this great vid, I'm just getting into 40k so watching lots of your videos and they are really helpful

  • @U2QuoZepplin
    @U2QuoZepplin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve got an Ork Maw Crusher staring back at me as I watch this and it’s one of those models I bought to challenge the limitations of my paint/brush skills and the reason it’s still in the box is that it’s a big beautiful and daunting miniature. I’ve also got Stormcast Sequitors kind of in the same stack, so it’s a time and convenience thing too.

  • @SP3NCE
    @SP3NCE 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i got back into the hobby with a space marine model - enjoyed it so much and did a fairly good job at it. So decided to buy an entire tau army with riptides and battlesuits... and it killed my love for it for a while, Smaller amounts of smaller miniatures is the way to go when starting out, they cost less, they take less time, and smaller panels etc are easier to make look smooth.

  • @callumjennings6336
    @callumjennings6336 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought about this issue when i brought a battleforce box for Seraphon, whether to go with big dinos or the smaller skinks. I don't regret doing skinks. Even though the first couple i don't like compared to my latest ones, practicing on a bunch of smaller stuff helps alot.

  • @jakea3950
    @jakea3950 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally agree. Pretty much your practice is on your brush strokes and ofc techniques but if argue that can be studied. The strokes however are physically learnt by fine motor skills.
    So, the definitive argument is which one do you wanna learn on? Most people would agree night models are centrepieces and you'll not only spend more time but be more critical on your work.
    So, learn your strokes on smaller troops you won't mind not being as neat on.

  • @13Robzilla
    @13Robzilla 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would agree that smaller highly textured models are easiest to learn or get into the hobby. I would say that larger models are more for trying to up your painting game as much more is required (time, blending, planning, etc.)

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Especially planning. I should make a video about planning a build and paint job. Thanks for watching!

  • @FalcoII
    @FalcoII 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love big models for learning airbrush! The problems are kinda "inverse". When I took flame golem from Malifaux it was so much fun learning with airbrush on this model and make nice flaming colors. Much more fun to do it this way.

  • @HornetADP
    @HornetADP 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is just what I needed to hear. I don't want to mess up my battletech miniatures, so I was thinking I will start on plastic soldiers I got as a kid ... this is just what I'm gonna do. Thanks

  • @BresciGaetano
    @BresciGaetano 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi. One year ago i started finally to collect WH40k. It has always been a child wish to me.
    I have an artistic school background but never committed to miniatures before, sure enought i dig into most of your video while doing it, thanks.
    I think "it depend" was a good answare here too, anyway. Repetition just make my motivation fall to the bottom. I am doing 36 tarmagunt since months, in the while i did an Old One Eye, one Tyrannofex-Tervigone, one Malantrope and an Hive Tyrant (fully magnetized). Also the first mins have been an Ad Mech Dunecrawler, big flat surfaces are more forgiveing and faster to do in my opinion.

  • @Ogre6972
    @Ogre6972 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    IMO, it's also easier to move from "small to large", rather than "large to small". When you get used to using larger brush strokes, it can be much tougher to switch to tinier movements. Again, JMO.

  • @ElrohirGuitar
    @ElrohirGuitar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The big question: does a cavalry model count as one or two models.

  • @christopherwiggins1705
    @christopherwiggins1705 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    “Bigatures” love it, you aren’t kidding about getting bogged down on big projects. I have a big knight project I have been working on for weeks. But when I started out reaper minis and space marines and orks were great to start on. Learned tons in the process. Adam loved tons from your videos over two plus years of watching cheers to you and Sam. Fav video has been the artist questions you did a while back I think at adepticon good stuff. Keep it up

  • @MrSJPowell
    @MrSJPowell 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun thing I appreciated when I started. The wizkids minis usually come 2 to a pack, so you can buy the packs with the minis you want, and then start off with the ones you don't intend to use.

  • @lordnovas
    @lordnovas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Tom the year is 2021 and like most of the community I now have a 3D printer. You for sure speak the truth when it comes to getting quick wins with smaller minis. I have long theorized that their is a scale at which the size/detail ratio was perfect for semi-quick wins and contains enough surface area for error, experimentation and looks great on the table. I believe that size is 35-36mm, its the SW legion scale. Since the pit fighter KS I've been printing all my minis at about 36mm.

  • @CorvusMiniatures
    @CorvusMiniatures 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Even after all those years in the hobby I find larger miniatures harder to do. Smaller scales are much more forgiving when it comes down to blending quality and you can do more projects in the same amount of time.

  • @edwardcote2440
    @edwardcote2440 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can split the difference somewhat with minis that are small but on the larger side of what might be a player character or monster. Orcs and Dragonborn over Gnomes and Halflings, I guess. One size up there are things like ogres, which are generally a good place to start. One of these days I might actually compile of a list for each manufacturer of minis that I think are good for beginners.

  • @Harisledon212
    @Harisledon212 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I started with lord of the rings miniatures when they first came out back in the day. Looking back it’s really was the deep end but It taught me accuracy and attention to detail and now I can paint to a pretty good standard (I hope 😅) love the show. From a fan in England

  • @WargamingLobby
    @WargamingLobby 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My (totally not solicited) opinion on this?
    Start with small (32 or 28mm) minis and pump up your self confidence. Then, move to bigger models and nail the techniques. When you go back to small minis they'll look ballers!

  • @Spekd
    @Spekd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Small models do keep motivation high. Large models allow blending effects to be more obvious.

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That’s why I always use airbrush on bigger models... blending is much easier. Thanks for watching!

    • @Spekd
      @Spekd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tabletopminions what I mean is that you can see the detail of the colour work from a distance. Not that there is a problem blending. On small models the trasitional space is tiny.

  • @Wolphen
    @Wolphen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it really worth to Buy warhammer paints and brushes? Or is it worth to buy some from revell or something?

  • @c4darkmane616
    @c4darkmane616 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd go with a basic model with limited detail regardless of size. And then move around to Very different types of model, something hairy, scaley, armoured, undead. So then u'll have a broad basic set of techniques.

    • @chad2687
      @chad2687 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      way better advice

  • @backlogbravery653
    @backlogbravery653 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first 5 miniatures I painted a week ago were 5 old warhammer fantasy goblins I got for free, even smaller than I expected.... after that came 5 small warhammer fantasy dwarfs xD Im really looking into a lil' taller ones for my next project. Im only painting the minis not playing thou :) and I love it for now :D

  • @griffglowen5555
    @griffglowen5555 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting. I started with CMON’s Blood Rage board game minis. I found the monsters (probs about 70mm) much easier to paint to a higher standard following TH-cam tutorials (which gave me a great feeling of success) but getting the detail right on the 28mm minis much harder.

  • @billnye5511
    @billnye5511 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was important for me to start with Guardsmen but it was also important for me to paint a Baneblade. I used the technique and hand stability I gained from the smallest minis and used it on painting the beast. I have to say, I wouldn't realize how good a model could look unless I painted the Baneblade because I felt okay spending 8 hours painting a single model and felt like it was a good investment of time rather then one Guardsmen of 130.

    • @billnye5511
      @billnye5511 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Obviously the Guardsmen take significantly less time to paint but the quality is hard to tell because of such a small package, sometimes it feels like you didn't get better. Seeing the progress on a large scale felt reassuring that I was heading in the right direction.

  • @carljones7109
    @carljones7109 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've just got into the hobby and decided to paint a deathwatch bike as my second model. I messed up bc of letting the nuln oil wash pool on the larger flat surfaces. Also decided to use a big tank brush thag left brush marks too. Lesson learnt I only need the one bike so I got two more to screw up on lol

  • @johnashley-smith4987
    @johnashley-smith4987 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great topic! Gotta say I lean towards smaller for starting out for simple cost alone. Get a cheap set of figures that appeal to you,five models is plenty. The " Bigatures" are usually a waste of money for someone just starting out, seen it many times with plastic model kits in particular. Get someone a 3 foot plastic sailing ship model for Christmas and see how well that turns out!
    Anyways, thanks for the video!

  • @pavloscharalampopoulos4763
    @pavloscharalampopoulos4763 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m just painting my first army and I started with AoS Maggotkin. My first miniature was a plaguebearer

  • @LeoxandarMagnus
    @LeoxandarMagnus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I got my start with a box of ten Empire State troops. I learned so much with just those ten that I could see a noticeable difference between them and the next box I painted.

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s how quick your skill level can change. Thanks for watching!

  • @andrewkreinbrink7023
    @andrewkreinbrink7023 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I lucked out that my first real foray into painting was a Necron army. How is this warrior supposed to look? Oh, silver. And this immortal? Also silver.

  • @whiskyimpressions4373
    @whiskyimpressions4373 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    As you were talking about the mindset when a model is more expensive - that is exactly why my 3d printer helps me to paint a lot more, the minis are dirt cheap (considered the price of the printer has been paid already), altough the quality isnt as great as GW minis or similar.

  • @sparkee666
    @sparkee666 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's funner to paint big models and people like looking at them more, and I tend not to misplace the big models. I still have the imperial steam tank I painted, but I lost a whole unit of Lizardmen archers.

  • @Geerladenlad
    @Geerladenlad 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this!
    This is excellent advice 👍👍👌

  • @Digitalfiendscom
    @Digitalfiendscom 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The challenge I find with larger models is that layering transitions become significantly more noticeable and therefore you need to work more on wet blending or glazing to make the transitions more subtle. Painting details can be easier on the big model though - those damn Chaos & Plague Marines with all of their intricate details...frack me.

  • @percyblok6014
    @percyblok6014 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    28mm, perfect brush control to a standard you're comfortable with. Going smaller(15mm) will be easier. Going larger will call for more painting time and techniques.

  • @MrStatistx
    @MrStatistx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally prefer bigger ones, mostly because I can experiment easier with more surface and bigger details. Too bad that the prices are off the chain.
    The subassembly is an issue, BUT I also got into the hobby to learn new technique in that regard. For me learning to paint is as valuable as figuring out how to magnetize all those limbs on a hive tyrant.
    Oh yeah, I might also mention that I also learn airbrush and larger models are definitely better for that, especially if you don't have a super good one that can work very small

  • @Vasili350
    @Vasili350 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've started with imperial knights, made some mistakes, repainted them once but now I'm happy with the results... but whenever I look down onto my skitarii I'm just scared.

  • @channel99productions21
    @channel99productions21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really enjoy painting the big stuff

  • @coryray8436
    @coryray8436 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My opinion is just to go cheap at first. Go to a store and grab some $1 plastic figures. Doesn't matter where or what kind, so long as it catches your eye. Small cars, zoo animals, random trinkets, literal green plastic army men. Anything. Walmart, Goodwill, Dollar Tree, etc... can be great places to find this kind of stuff.
    Go at it with a ZFG attitude and crank em out. Better to screw up and experiment on this stuff without fear than to fret over stuff you actually want to use.

    • @CorvusMiniatures
      @CorvusMiniatures 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I do not entirely agree. If your canvas is of bad quality thus can show in the end result, risking motivation problems. Cheaper yes, but not rubbish cheap.

  • @stalhuth
    @stalhuth 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I recommend you to start with medium size bust (sounds weird) but you will learn a lot with a bust, paint skin, leathers, metal, material, textures, etc. The size help you to paint eyes without too much difficulty and then you can apply all those learning to smaller figures, and try to don't start with cheap figures with bad sculpt, that's a huge mistake

  • @naphaneal
    @naphaneal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    bigger miniatures or busts with a lot of flat surfaces, such as capes. e.g. learning wet blending on these is easier than on small scale minis. I'd recommend a 75mm scale miniature.

  • @zippy5131
    @zippy5131 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Depends what you mean by smaller and larger ie. 2mm, 6mm, 10mm, 12mm, 15mm, 18mm, 20mm and so on and upwards.. They all take different disciplines and styles to paint..

  • @mastercats
    @mastercats 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont usualy disagree with this man, but in this one i have to disagree.
    It really depends on how you think some one should start in learning to paint. The approaches the we talk about in this video are a tier above where i think someone should get started.
    If some one is getting started i think it's best to keep the paintimg styles very simple. Keep everything to priming, shading, and dry brushing.
    As adam says we want out players to get that feeling of success. Dry brushing up a great unclean one will look very striking and satisphy. Where as dry brushing a poxwalker or plagebearer is smaller so the effects of the dry brush won't go as far. Same will be true for contrast paints and shades.

  • @TheCimbrianBull
    @TheCimbrianBull 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How many times has Uncle Atom said "Pa-chow!"?

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In videos? I have no idea. In my lifetime? The number is near-infinite. Thanks for watching!

  • @Ragnarök_1127
    @Ragnarök_1127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m really glad I posted that comment

  • @U2QuoZepplin
    @U2QuoZepplin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Having said all of that , I did paint 🎨 my old metal version of Karl Franz The Emperor Of The Warhammer Old World Empire as a “what the heck! Why not paint him now or never kind of thing,” so both instances are true.

  • @mistimpsmusings
    @mistimpsmusings 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of people just getting into the hobby are younger than us. Another reason they should paint the little models first, is so that they paint them while they can still see. Save the big models for when they are in their 50s and trying to wear the magnifiers over the top of their regular glasses. Lol

  • @helikontex2467
    @helikontex2467 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Small models. Big models require alot of motivation I think

  • @elfriedaarts1195
    @elfriedaarts1195 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    First off, thank you SO mush for addressing this issue/concern. I have been painting now for about 3 years and have to say, I would not be here if it weren't for the small models I painted for my first time (Shredders from Privateer Press).
    That being said, I agree on all of your points and also have some of my own to point out. Larger models (like the Mortarion I have sitting on top of my clock (cats)), are so much harder to get a good even base coat of color on it. It takes a lot of patience to get a good solid not streaky coat of paint. And as a beginner, yes go for that easy win. Especially with white or yellow models. Those are two of the most finicky and stubborn colors to get to lay flat and look good if you are just starting out. And the larger the surface area you have to cover, like a large flat panel on a mech, the more easily it is to become discouraged.
    Also, smaller models, I would always recommend that someone start off on metal minis. Now hear me out here. I'm not trash talking Wiz Kids or Reaper Bones, but they are bendy and if you aren't careful, can bend and chip the paint right off. A more sturdy model made out of metal is less likely to do that, plus I always think they can hold more texture. Like if you want to learn dry brushing, I always think the metal minis details are deeper, leaving someone who might be new and heavy handed with less of an opportunity to over apply the paint.
    Lastly, I think even paint companies know a little bit that smaller is better in this case. For any starter pack of minis and paints, where you get about 4 or 5 minis and about 5 or 6 paints, you always get smaller minis. Which is great, because then you have everything you need right there, the colors you should need, models BOOM. Plus with the colors they include with some instructions, its an easy way to learn color theory without really knowing you are learning it. Such an awesome tool.
    Again, thank you for making this video. Love your content!

  • @robertnessful
    @robertnessful 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bigatures need to be a thing!

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That’s two of us. Motion passed. It’s now a thing. Thanks for watching!

    • @SadGibbon
      @SadGibbon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's kind of a thing already you should have a look at the lord of the rings bigatures here on youtube. You'll find some impressive stuff!

  • @oliverwirth42
    @oliverwirth42 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ogryn are some of the easiest and most fun models to paint, right now as a beginner.

  • @Cinomod6066
    @Cinomod6066 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait wait wait you go to origins???? . . . How have I missed you all these years?! Lol I live in columbus and usually try to go every year I love origins.

  • @MentoliptusBanko
    @MentoliptusBanko 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't like to paint big models, I have a lot of board games that have all the human-sized minis painted, but not the big dragons/demons/aberrations. Even in Warhammer, I don't even want to buy the big models because I don't think I'll ever start to paint them...even though they look amazing. So I play skirmish games (Kill Team, Warcry) where I don't need big models.

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I do love skirmish games, and they’re prefect for newer players and hobbyists, too. Thanks for watching!

  • @Shippo89
    @Shippo89 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let someone paint 2 of the "store promo" primaris marines. Let them paint the first one however they want to go about it, for the second give them watered and have them paint in multiple layers. It's amazing how much better everything looks when there's levels of color in between "black primer or MUTHAFUKIN' FIRE DRAGON ORANGE!!!
    When trying to get coverage on bigger models, it leads people to feel that they're not really making any progress and so use of the unthinned "one layer does the trick" painting method.

  • @ash-tv3bu
    @ash-tv3bu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i started with tiny goblins and it was perfect

  • @nighthawk333ST
    @nighthawk333ST 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a relatively opposite opinion on that question, I usually tell people (kids and adult) to start with a model they really like a lot, that way your motivation will remain at its maximum. I personally started with a Millenium Falcon when I was 15... 2 or 3 days after Star Wars came out, it was a huge kit (50 or 60 cm), it took me a lot of time to complete it, but I still have it. The main point is to fuel motivation, one way or the other.

  • @shawnwootan232
    @shawnwootan232 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sub assembly? I think I’ll put my Screaming Bell together all at once and then paint it after only having been painting minis for a week thank you very much. (This is sarcastic I made the wrong choice for sure but I’m making the best of it)

  • @onlockmobileskateshop113
    @onlockmobileskateshop113 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree totally Atom

  • @99Plastics
    @99Plastics 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Getting into the painting part of the hobby I loved painting primaris space marines and had a blast, I was excited to try out Tau as I thought their mechs and overall look was awesome. Once I got to painting them it was hell, they were just too small for me to really enjoy them and any small mistake that on a primaris would disappear was all of a sudden MASSIVE on the tiny little tau. I had such a terrible time paiting the tau I would honestly say that If i started with them instead of the bigger chad primaris I don't think I would have become the plastic crack addict I am today.

  • @Exodiant
    @Exodiant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cut to me, buying an Imperial Knight as my second project...

    • @SwashBuccaneer
      @SwashBuccaneer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice. I've considered doing knights myself as 2nd

    • @kglguy
      @kglguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Imperial knights were some of the first miniatures I paunted. Of course, these were the old Epic ones, so not really very big.

  • @Ben_Mdws
    @Ben_Mdws 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started painting human D&D characters and I found it tough. Painting humans I found tricky because if the hair/skin didn’t look ‘human enough’ it just didn’t look right (well, to me anyway!).

    • @ash-tv3bu
      @ash-tv3bu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah, the first time i painted a character with a humanoid skin tone it looked so wrong, but the orcs and drow look great! it's kinda that uncanny valley thing with the humans

  • @zachdevenney1307
    @zachdevenney1307 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely start small, I agree with you completely. The errors are much bigger on larger models! Trust me, I know this!

  • @sondkyou
    @sondkyou 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One and a half year into the hobby and I still hate painting tanks and the like I much prefer painting infantry and HQs that's why I'm so happy kill team is a thing

  • @SigridKroon
    @SigridKroon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would say the best is small simpler models, meaning less detail to get tripped up on

    • @tabletopminions
      @tabletopminions  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. Another nice thing is very clear details. Some older models can be a bit ‘mushy’ in the details, and that makes it harder for newer painters. And even for me, honestly. Thanks for watching!

  • @Axonteer
    @Axonteer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I contrair..... a smaller model requires sub assemblies while a large one dont. It has a simple reason that in a small model you often cant reach tight spaces because of the small-ness, while on large models - if you just dont glue the base on you will be able to reach nearly every spot because of the size.

  • @SwashBuccaneer
    @SwashBuccaneer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It depends - whaaaaa?! That wasn't the answer? :)

  • @joekrampus1154
    @joekrampus1154 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Assembly lining 10 Blood Angels Reivers right now before starting on the Dreadnought. Get out of my head

  • @bernardorippe7024
    @bernardorippe7024 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the pachow thing XD

  • @barryslemmings31
    @barryslemmings31 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The question of size/scale is really a matter of cost and storage. I go small (15mm 1/100 scale) for THOSE reasons. I get more for my money and they are easier to store and carry around. Also table-top weapon ranges look better. I play Bolt Action in 15mm as the 24-inch rifle range looks much more realistic with 15mm miniatures than with 28mm figures.
    Then... and only then... you get the benefits of quicker painting and a faster development of your army/armies. 15mm is a good scale to learn on and then and only then scale up to larger figures.
    If you go fantasy or sci-fi then 15mm is probably not an option. 15mm is probably best for historicals.
    B

  • @bernardorippe7024
    @bernardorippe7024 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I prefer teach with medium models because learn how to play with color gradients with good space. I agree in big models they need lot of work.

  • @seanedgar164
    @seanedgar164 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I painted a small unit of 5 random guys before I painted anything I wanted in an army. Get familiar with the paints and brushes you're using, takes less time and doesn't stand out as much if the paint job isn't up to your standards

  • @nicopato1
    @nicopato1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're right. They should CLEARLY be called bigatures.

  • @jamescorcoran5000
    @jamescorcoran5000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have a like for "bigatures" alone!!