{891} How to find unknown ic number, erased part number from ic
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- {891} How to find unknown ic number, erased part number from ic. burnt out ic number. using this technique we can identify unknown / burnt out / damaged / burnt out ic/ or ic without any marking part number.
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Thank you for the explanations Mr. Professor...however, if you don't know how to "read" an electrical diagram and understand the respective circuit, you have little chance of finding the IC...the same problem is with the backlight led testers produced in China... the components inside the box have the specifications erased or a substance is poured that you cannot remove to see the name of the ICs used in the construction of the backlight led tester... I wish you good health and respect, Dan from Europe East
best regards and special thanks for your valuable addition.
you are right. sometimes there becomes a bottle-neck.
Очень! Очень, очень верные слова!
Очень часто приходиться просто перерисовывать фрагмент принципиальной схемы, прямо с платы!
И искать по "типовому включению" во множестве даташит.
"if you don't know how to "read" an electrical diagram and understand the respective circuit, you have little chance of finding the IC" - If you don't know how to read a circuit diagram then this kind of thing is not for you anyway. This kind of reverse engineering implies some pretty solid background in electronics.
"a substance is poured that you cannot remove" - Yes you can. Resins used for potting can be softened either by boiling water or a good soaking in DCM (make sure the DCM doesn't touch any other components though).
Also the trickier part is that a chip in a backlight LED tested will most likely be some kind of PIC, so even if you DID figure out the exact component you'd still need to dump the firmware somehow in order to be able to procure a replacement.
@@CoolKoon it's none of your business about what I know and what I don't know, stop making assumptions about others, even if you're from HU, you're not an expert in the field.. you'd better mind your own business if you don't offer explanations more in-depth about this topic..anyway, this is not the place to play smart and time is too expensive to answer your provocative language..maybe you have a way through Ukraine or Poland and use your native Hungarian language in the area.. .success in challenges
a *FANTASTIC* example of reverse enginering HANDS ON in the most meaningful & practical example !!!
May God always bless you & your family !!! 😊😊😊😉
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Like a detective constable for electronics. Congratulations.
best regards and special thanks for your valuable comment
Another good idea is to narrow down possible IC chips and than look at some possible circuits the manufacturer suggest in the datasheet. Amazing how close suspect circuits mimic the factory's suggested circuit designs using their chip...
i am thankful for sharing a great idea. it can also be helpful to take approach
"Amazing how close suspect circuits mimic the factory's suggested circuit designs using their chip..." - Especially in cases where the chip's surface has been sanded off like this, yeah. Either way doing this chip sanding crap is unbelievably dumb.
Thanks for sharing the systematic approach in finding an answer in such a difficult situation. Very beautifully explained 👌
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I find it helpful to place the populated pcb board over a strong light to illuminate the copper tracks on the underside of the board. This helps to show the connections without mixing up the pin numbers from the reversed view.
Brilliant. Thank you for this, it's little things like this that once I know, it seems that should have been obvious years ago.
Perfect janaab. Congrats
Asslamalkuam Bhai Mashallah Nice sharing Information video 👌🌻✌✌
wa alaikum salaam bhai
My first guess was that it was a 3524 or 25, as they're common enough to be considered the LM555 of switcher control chips.
Very good and useful information sir thanks for sharing this knowledge to us
감사합니다.일부러 지운 IC를 찾는것은 정말 숨박꼭질 하는 기분도 듭니다.
어디에 숨었을까? 어떻게 숨겼을까? 그런 호기심이 듭니다.ㅎㅎㅎ
보통 IC 주변회로를 그리고 나서 IC를 찾으면 더 쉽고, 나중에 디버깅할때도 편리하고..
PWM IC들은 대부분 많이 알려져서~ IC 명칭을 지울 필요가 있는지 의문입니다.ㅎㅎㅎ
저는 TL494인줄 알았는데..SG3525이군요?
좋은 내용 감사합니다.^^
그래, 자기야. 대부분의 제조업체는 디자인을 숨기기 위해 숫자를 지웁니다. 따라서 이 기술을 사용하여 알 수 없는 ic 번호를 찾으려고 시도할 수 있습니다.
좋은 아침입니다.
옳은
회로가 IC 주변에 그려져 있을 때 IC를 찾는 것이 더 쉽습니다.
Correct
It is easier to find the IC when the circuit has been drawn around the IC.
At first glance,I'd suspect it's a TL494 or an SG3525(3524),which are commonly used in SMPS circuits. Check pinout/datasheet example circuit to see it if matches up.
Great approach in identifying the unknown IC. Appreciate vry much Sir.
thanks a lot
Very useful information. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, very informative logical approach. thank you.
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Mostly hard to comprehend,but very informative. Thanks for video. I have the same question
Informative vedeo. Thank u so much. God bless you.
U are such a clever guy. I love yr tutorials they are excellent!!! This one is no exception
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Thanks a lot. Subhanallah I was going to ask you the same question regarding IC without id numbers.
Fantastic help.....many thanks.
Very good explanation and informative technical support
Excellent thanks for sharing this informative video
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V informative Thanks brother. Great apprauch.
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Sir, Very good observation , you are very expert !
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Well done. Good detective work.
You did not mentioned that pin 10 was ground to begin with when comparing to the google file , anyway your systems looks very helpful thank you.
pin 10 is shutdown. it is connected to ground to start working. it is also a key point to identify KA3525 / SG3525
if it will pulled up, the IC will stop functioning
thanks for your valuable comment
Thanks so much for sharing wonderful video brother
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Wow! Well done and very well explained. You have a new subscriber for sure.
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Thank you for posting this. Now you made it look easy LOL, the process you use is straight forward I never thought of doing it this way with the 2 pictrues Thanks again
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New knowledge to me thanks
Thank you for your videos...
Please more on sg3525ap as welding inverter. I want to know the operation.
I always watch your video on welding m. With sg3525ap i still dont know how it operates. More on trouble it may arise... What is its requirement to operate. I have sg3525ap with known good but still not working weld. Machine. Looking forward for a english sg3525 vid as weld machine.
Nice investigation. Good job
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very original algloritm of the search for the type of detail !
Sir Im a new subscriber to your channel i like to learn more things about electronics..
this is very good helpful analytic tutorial
Thank you
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Good video
Very knowledge full
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Terima kasih Sr.. sudah berbagi ilmu electronik yang sangat bermanfaat.
Good morning from Greece, your video is very nice and very understandable
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It is a very good method, thank you for your explanation. If this doesn’t work you can easily try to touch the rigjomat output signal, which shows you the exact soudtromatical data
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waalaikumussalam wbt thanks so much for tips bro.. 👍
Thanks for your info and ideas. Technics in analizing unknown ic.. but it seems if the pcb is in reverse side, the pin number is reverse in actual top side view, the comment of other guy of uding bright ligth to trace copper is much better, thanks.
Compliments, really compliments.
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Amazing!!! Thank you.
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Wa'alaikumussalam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh! Thanks for your explanations. 👍
Sir your method is very good is there any other way to find the erased ic number... ?
Very nice idea to find the IC type and number. Also we can use this methode for reverse engineering...
What an excellent video
thanks a lot
Thanks a lot!
Very informative and descriptive
Some steps of the flow could be automated to increase overall effectivity and enable bulk pcb and its components recognition and evaluation.
I have heard about specialized software for OCR pcb analysis
Good job.
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Good explanation
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Thank you, it was a good explanation.
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valuable suggestion, many thanks! What about finding info on much simpler components such as burnt SMD resistors/capacitors?
You can check what IC they are connected to and to which pin of the IC. Then google the IC datasheet. The component value will likely be in the typical application diagram. If it is a capacitor that is in parallel with another capacitor, just remove the burned one. It will be fine.
@@stefanpejak9131 = Wrong.
If the following text is wrong.
Ok no problem for me ! Write some additional lines.
You have to ask yourself : ' ' ' What was the reason for the failture of a part ? ' ' '
Is there a reason before or after the worse part.
Never ever change only the worse part and test the ciruit.
A capacitor loose capacity in some years . I know but often this is not the reason for a fault.
Or= the working temperature is inside to hot. (Reason= Cheap construction and a build short time usage construction)
Often not worth to repair ! !
Other part normally aswell very cheap
and will follow to fail soon = Constructed Obsolecence = calculated short lifetime = more devices are sold = more profit
Or = high voltage or voltage peaks apeared and destroyed the capacitor. Why ? You have to check the possible reasons.
Think like the company owner = Additional parallel capacitor are not cheap !
There must be a very very good reason to spend money for parallel capacitors. See above 80 Ampere current
Why is a expensiver circuit layout sold ?
Lower impedance ? Lower noise level ?
And = Lower temperature in a lot of capacitor (bigger one have smaler surface to spread heat to outside)?
High current for a fraction of time (load and-or unload current) ? = Inside high temperature = 80 Amp will cause a lot of current
A smaler capacity for better high frequency response and lower noise level.
Always think what you have to change additional.
You have to understand the circuit diagramm
(You never ever find the circuit chart of these PCB)
(well you have to look for standart electronic circuits from teachers/internet/ ...)
to understand if there is before or behind the worse capacitor the reason.
Sometimes silicium parts are used at the boarder of there specifications.
The consumer is the first test person and will check if the the device is worse or usable.
To test every ultracheap device is for a lot of (china) companys to expensive .
These companys accept 2% to 4% gurantee exchanged devices.
Sometimes these additional electronic components are very expensive or you cant buy these new.
I repaired a expensive circuit and spend a lot of money for new silicium parts. After the first test I need these expensive part again ! There was a reason for the fault and I can not find it. The part dealer sell the part for a lot of money and via internet I can buy a new ready to use PCB. But the owner dont like the risk of a additional fault later. If I pay the broken test parts until it works some month well ...
Back to the video =
If the capacitor is paralell than the circuit designer spend additional money for a very good reason.
Maybe he need more (and exact) capacity and not the standart value (plus-minus the tolerance). Or an other reason ?
Or the will reduce the impedance of the big capacitor with a smaler capacitor value and low impedance for a better high frequency response (or reduction). Often the mal capacitor reduce the inner temperature of the bigger capacitor.
Remember the inner resitance of a capacitor produce heat.
Or the desinger knows that the cpacitor will be inside very hot because of the fast load and unload plus high current values.
If he use cheap brands the PCB have a well calculatedtime until fail. The costumer get what he pay.
If other companys copy these electronic , than his company have to sell the PCB cheaper.
By the way= I repaired a circuit where a fuse can be installed. But later produced PBCs have only a cheap wire.
Sometimes it is not a good idea to change a small capacitor dimensional size (with lower voltage) with a higher voltage type. The higer voltage capacitor have a higher impedance and than the reduction of high frequency noise is bad.
Always think that a ciruit designer have to choose the cheaperst layout or his boss will never ever like his expert in his company.
But he have to find a solution that will last some years (the boss tell him how long the lifetime have to be).
This PCB looks like a cheap consumer market construction. Everythink have to be cheap and only have to work until guarantee is gone (plus some month).
If these PCB is for hard and longlasting industiral use, you see the quality.
And if it is for aviation / naval use or for health devices you see the best quality and the heavy parts are fixed plus sikicon drops against vibration faults. The electronic parts are only from best brands and everythink is better designed.
@@callishandy8133Exactly. Even in electrical design, the cost of production is taken as major criteria. Manufacturer makes the design only to last the warranty period, beyond that they wont even repair the motor. If one chooses expensive product, the quality of internal component is much better. A customer gets what he/she pays for.
I have seen repair technicians complaining that customers arent willing to pay sufficient money, hence they find ways to cut corners and use cheaper or used components. Using best quality materials cost more than 70% of the brand new product. So these technicians often refuse to repair the product and instead suggest to buy a brand new one. I being able to design things from scratch, spend extra bucks to get the best out of it.
@@callishandy8133 I learned a lot from your comment, thank you sir.
OMG you are so good at it
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Thank you for sharing this Video
You are the Best..
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Excellent video, very much appreciated.
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Nice sharing brother.
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Your board is a power inverter circuit board. I have to say that you have been lucky to find out what this IC could be. Most chips are made in Asia. A lot of them do not reflect the standards.
Nice technique.
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Very clever....thanks....sir ji...
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Very educational idea
Good luck sir 🎉
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Excelente aula, muito obrigado.
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Thank You very much 😊
Aleikum asalam.. Thanks great! idea
wa alaikum salaam
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Hello, dear friend... if we don't have an IC outside the circuit, it means we don't have a circuit and a board. We want to analyze whether it is possible to understand what type of IC it is
is there any part number or marking on that ic??
awesome victory !!!
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This method works only because you already know its a PWM switching IC as apllied to the SMPS. I has an induction cooker with an exploded IC and only if I have access to the schematic will I ever know what IC to replace. Nevertheless, a useful video.
eve we don't know the part number, but this technique works. i use this method very often.
are you facing problem with small ic (power converter) or main ic?
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Great video.
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Wow sir you r great
Very informative video ❤❤❤
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Excellent sir
Nice explanation sir
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Weldon I like your video for one reason alone. You used English Language
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good explanation.
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Is pin 1 not opposite on green board. As you have flipped the board pins should be on opposite sides?
i flipped and rotated it in such configuration, that pin 1 in top sided and pin 1 in bottom comes at same direction and location
The IC chip could be an MCU chip, and may have various perepherals and exceution speed, different timings and so on. I once have used an MCU to act like an SMPS supply and the MCU had analog input. Even if we guessed the MCU then how about the code space? The perepherals? the timings? the RAM size, Flash size, EEPROM and so on? It will take forever to make a guess. My best bet is to take the board number and purchase new board from the manufacturer or distributer.
Brilliant !!!!
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thanks, LM324N IC is the easiest to trace, pin 4 being +Vcc and pin 11 being -Vcc
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Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
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Very good video.
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you can merge the 2 photos in photo editor software or any alternative to get circuit diagram , then search by image
yes you are right.
Excellent. How to work ct and pt in a circuit
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I see this tall ic in a lot of smps speacily in lcd tv can you explain this type and why not using the small package like 8 legs totally please or mention me a video
Very clever!
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Sir koi smps power supply me mosfet khrab ho jaye or uski jgah par original se badi capacity ka mosfet dale to Kya shi he ya original value ka hi lgana chahiye . ( Jese 7n60 ki jgah 13n60 lgaye to Kya ye shi se Kam krega? )
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Would not it be easier to try to find the diagram of the complete circuit and find the component in question? What to do if there are a lot of 16-pin ICs?
the biggest problem is that, no documentation is available for these chinese unbranded power supplies. just we can download the datasheet or application note for the ic.
to find the datasheet, we need part number
if part number is removed then it becomes hurdle