Xoron you beat me to it. It's tip 4a, better than shift left click on a pole which deletes all wires. Click on a pole with a wire in your cursor, then click on another pole, and just the wire between those 2 poles is deleted. This tip works for red and green wires too. If you shift left click on a pole, every wire you delete is lost, it's not added to your inventory. then every wire you put back loses wire from your inventory.
One thing to mention regarding downgrading chests - if there is not enough room in the new chest to hold all the items, it will put the remainder into your inventory. BUT - if there is not enough room in your inventory, the remaining items spill onto the ground! This can be rather unfortunate if the items had a high stack size (like alien artifacts), since it will end up covering a potentially huge area.
Yeah good point. I did think about mentioning it while I was explaining that part, but didn't want to ramble too much, so decided to just keep it to what I said. Looking back though, I probably should have mentioned that.
Good video, but the math at 8:35 is wrong, since the pollution growth is exponential I'll pick up your example, the player destroys five spawners. The first spawner would increase the evolution by .2% . The second destroyed spawner would make the *result of the previous calculation* rise. Then the third would take that result and would add .2% of it again etc etc Calculation: (whatever pollution level you're at)*1.002*1.002*1.002*1.002*1.002 OR (pollution level)*1.002 ^5 I multiplied with 1.002 instead of .002 since we want to know the total amount of pollution and not just what 2% of it is.
Good point. I didn't go into the details, even though I mentioned briefly that there was more that went into it aside from just the numbers I mentioned. You are correct though, my example was wrong in that case. Thanks for clarifying though! :)
Really solid video - I spent a half hour trying to figure out how to use power switches and you showed me in 10 seconds. I had only seen one other of these tips before as well, nice job!
Thank you! I'm happy the video was able to help you out with the power switches and show you some other new tips. :) Some parts of the game not very obvious (like the power switches) so can definitely be annoying to figure out before you actually know how to do it.
I had already known most of the facts in this video from playing the game for a while, but honestly did not know you could disconnect power poles AND use copper wire in your hand to manually hook it up! thats so cool!
A simple defence method is to have a Belt fed with Coal on one side and Ammo on the other side, then you circle this around your base, and at intervals you place Gun Turrets fed with Burner Inserters. Start with just a few Gun Turrets, perhaps clusters of 2, each barely within range of neighbouring clusters. That's your basic self-supplying defence. Later you can add more Gun Turrets, have them on both sides of the Belt, and add a Wall (later again make the Wall double thickness), and upgrade the Ammo stream from normal to AP. Of course an even simpler defence is a Chest with some fuel and Ammo in it, with 4 Gun Turrets in a cross shape, taking from the Chest with Burner Inserters. Such a cluster is VERY strong in the early game, but it requires manual resupply (in late mid game, of course, you can resupply Requster Chests with bots).
You just described my defences :-) I'm going for the no laser turrets achievement and no robots so i have a double wall around my bases and gun turrets fed by a belt and some inserters. This means you need a lot of ammo clips AND supply the other bases manually (a steel chest full works very well) but so far i had no problems keeping the locals outside my base :-)
Sure thing! It would be really great if you could configure how much it sets it to when you copy paste. Hopefully in a future game update or a mod at some point.
One of your mods is modifying your stack request copying settings. The default value is x2 the amount not x10. It's a setting in config file that a mod can alter.
I like to remove power lines from poles and put green/red wires on a separate set of poles from the power network so it's easier to see. I find it's a good use for all those old wooden power poles (at least before they added the ability to BURN them for fuel).
I can't remember where I saw it but I have taken to using a technique that allows 3 if the same belt to occupy a 2 wide area, by having underground belts at maximum length, offset so the second lane start and end in the middle of the other lane, you can weave a third, longer belt around and between them. if you place he assembly machines so that the middle lines up to a point where the woven belt switches sides, one assembly machine , with 1 or 2 long inserters and 2 or 1 fast inserters can access 3 blue belts of resources. very useful for a blue circuit setup to get 2 and a half lanes of green circuits and half a lane of red.
Although power wise it's only really possible with either substations or the factorissimo mod (which I am in love with by the way, thanks for that showcase XD)
u can check evolution lvl by typing /evolution in game console (enter by pressing ` next to 1 key) behemoth biters and spitters spown at evolution lvl 1 highest possible
Great Video. Thanks for the Text added too. Only 1 thing I would have suggested, you mentioned that the time portion of Bitter Evolution (BE) was: .00004%(?) a tick, (I forget how many zeros) I would have preferred you did the math and say how many % that was an hour. EDIT: Looks like there are 216000 ticks an hour. so its 0.864% BE/hour. or 115 hours to get to 100% on Time alone.
Black Hat he mentioned in the video that there is a formula which slows down the evolution over time, so it would be a lot more complex than just multiplying it out. but a more reasonable time scale would have been definitely better.
For the requester chest, I always just restricted all the slots before I set the request, so even though the number was a whole stack, there were no "free spaces" in the chest for the over-eager bots to fill.
That's a good method actually, I hadn't thought of doing that. I would prefer to just tick the option for it to default to 1, but without that, your method is the best I think.
It's typically for modular base setups. If you have an over-abundance of something (we'll just say Steel for example) if you have your power network set up properly, you can simply turn off that portion of the base until you need it again.
I use constant combinators to output "recipes" of required items, i.e. the stuff you need to make 1 fast inserter, then multiply that by the ammount I need... is there a way to get the recipe from an assembly unity or from the item itself? (other than copying it by hand I mean)
Hmm I don't really think so, unless I'm understanding what you mean. Unfortunately you can't connect wires to assemblers to read whats being made in them.
That'd be a good idea for a mod: add a "recipe constant combinator" that lets you pick any recipe and outputs item type signals - one each for the required amount of the ingredients. An optional factor for all its ingredients would also be useful. I can imagine the circuit network pros doing all sorts of interesting things with it - like maybe a new ZuriMart.
Re copper wires and disconnecting (or connecting) them -- note the the blueprint will NOT store this, so you will always have wires even though you blueprinted without them.
Good point. It's really annoying that blueprints won't copy the changed copper wires, and unfortunately I don't think they have any plans to fix that soon. :/
Sometimes I use wooden power poles in blueprints to get around this problem. They're also affected, but they do have a lower connection range than other poles (and substations).
Wires in factorio are completely broken. 1. Electric poles take copper plate not copper wire 2. Wires placed by bots do not actually use any wire items 3. Wires placed over other wires do not return the wire that you wish to remove 4. Removing wires does not return copper wire however adding wire does 5. Blueprints do not store the entities that wires are connected to for creating separate power networks... I am kinda sick of how wires work and would like to see some fixes
If you play with air filtering mod that will reduce polution, does that means slower biter evolution or they will progress the same because its impact of produced pollution? Air filter only reduce and remove already produced pollution...
I play with the air filtering mod, and from what I've seen after regular evolution checks, pollution was a lower factor than usual. My best guess is that you cannot revert evolution that was already caused, but you can stop it from contributing further if you set up the filter system properly.
Belt braiding - I think every "10 tips" have this, but no one have used it in their playthrough, but the one with copper to the switch (no one mentions it), I spent around 2 hours until I figured that out(
yes, I know, but I do not understand, why people in their '10 Tips', talk about things that they do not use, and are silent about important things, like copper cable can be used similarly to red and green, for more than 1 year playing factorio I thought that is just preraft and it cannot be used(
It's usually better to move things around to make more room for belts than to braid them. Problems with braiding: 1. It's hard (or impossible in many cases) to see what's on the belts. 2. It's very easy to accidentally upgrade them, especially if they are near a spaghetti mess and/or you are using the upgrade planner mod to mass-upgrade belts. This can accidentally connect separate belts, which can be hard to detect due to #1 above. So it's a handy trick in certain situations, but not recommended and definitely not for beginners (IMO).
Belt braiding is mostly only useful for super compact setups. Since most plays are in infinite sized map, space is rarely an issue, so I think most people just overdesign lots of extra spaces around stuffs to make it easier to move things around when needed. The risk of incorrect upgrade and having things run at different speeds also adds to the complexities of braiding belts.
For the shift-right shift-left copy paste thing, it seems like some items get 10x and some get 2x. Green and red circuits get 10x as you show, but blue ones get 2x. Don't quite understand why this is .
My experience has been that assembler-to-requester amounts paste with a 2x multiplier, but sometimes just 1x for when the request is kinda big already. I expect there's a cut-off at some value. I usually go into my Requester chests and manually update the amount, as 2x is often not enough to make the bots keep that item supplied fast enough for assembler usage.
Buh-HE-muth. If youve only read it and never heard it sometimes its hard to get right. Like "run like the wind." (Like you wind up a watch) its easy to get wrong.
Subbed, my dude. This has been most interesting. Ive also been looking into Autodesk Process Analysis (free product) to possibly optimise my setups. Might be interesting for you ;)
I think the evolution due to destroying spawners is overrated, the amount of evolution you get from destroying a mere 1 spawner is only equivalent to about 9 seconds of evolution due to time passing
0.0004% per tick is wrong.. This would be 0.024% per second, 1,44% per minute, 86,4% per hour. Full evolution after an hour right...,. By this time i usually start automating science to invent turrets in the first place, and you have behemoths. LOL
Uh, those numbers are taken directly from the wiki so I highly doubt they are wrong. As I also mentioned in the video, there is more to it than just the percentages. Each factor contributes less the farther the evolution goes. You can read up on it here: wiki.factorio.com/Evolution So no, it would not be full evolution after an hour, and yes those numbers are correct.
Your calculation is wrong because the growth is exponential, not linear. Every tick, the evolution is increased by 0.0004%. But the next tick, it just takes the result of the previous tick's result and adds 0.0004%. This does *not* equal an increase of 0.0008%.
respect for not extending the video length to 10 minutes
Clicking two connected power poles with copper wire on the cursor will disconnect exactly that connection and leave the other wires alone.
Xoron you beat me to it. It's tip 4a, better than shift left click on a pole which deletes all wires. Click on a pole with a wire in your cursor, then click on another pole, and just the wire between those 2 poles is deleted. This tip works for red and green wires too.
If you shift left click on a pole, every wire you delete is lost, it's not added to your inventory. then every wire you put back loses wire from your inventory.
Very good point, I actually didn't know that! :o Well I got halfway there with my tip. Haha
Nice to be able to give something back to somebody who has taught me so much. :)
This also does not use the copper wire to disconnect so your actually saving copper wire but not having to reconnect the one :D
One thing to mention regarding downgrading chests - if there is not enough room in the new chest to hold all the items, it will put the remainder into your inventory. BUT - if there is not enough room in your inventory, the remaining items spill onto the ground! This can be rather unfortunate if the items had a high stack size (like alien artifacts), since it will end up covering a potentially huge area.
Yeah good point. I did think about mentioning it while I was explaining that part, but didn't want to ramble too much, so decided to just keep it to what I said. Looking back though, I probably should have mentioned that.
I didn't know about that assembler/requester trick! That saves so much hassle.
I'm only on my second playthrough ("failed" the first) and already knew all of these. I feel pretty happy about that.
Good video, but the math at 8:35 is wrong, since the pollution growth is exponential
I'll pick up your example, the player destroys five spawners.
The first spawner would increase the evolution by .2% . The second destroyed spawner would make the *result of the previous calculation* rise. Then the third would take that result and would add .2% of it again etc etc
Calculation: (whatever pollution level you're at)*1.002*1.002*1.002*1.002*1.002
OR (pollution level)*1.002 ^5
I multiplied with 1.002 instead of .002 since we want to know the total amount of pollution and not just what 2% of it is.
Good point. I didn't go into the details, even though I mentioned briefly that there was more that went into it aside from just the numbers I mentioned. You are correct though, my example was wrong in that case.
Thanks for clarifying though! :)
I love the way you pronounce behemoth :D
Lol Yeah. xD That's how I've always pronounced it and even though I know it's technically the wrong way, it just feels easier for me to say it like.
Didn't know about the copying between factories and boxes, that will come in handy thanks.
Glad you learned something new! It definitely comes in handy for sure.
Really solid video - I spent a half hour trying to figure out how to use power switches and you showed me in 10 seconds. I had only seen one other of these tips before as well, nice job!
Thank you! I'm happy the video was able to help you out with the power switches and show you some other new tips. :) Some parts of the game not very obvious (like the power switches) so can definitely be annoying to figure out before you actually know how to do it.
I learned a couple of things. Well worth it. Thanks so much X. Look forward to more.
Nice! Very welcome. :)
Didnt know that about belt weaving. That really helps alot in tight area im tring to map out and add to the factory.
I had already known most of the facts in this video from playing the game for a while, but honestly did not know you could disconnect power poles AND use copper wire in your hand to manually hook it up! thats so cool!
Yeah for sure! Not the most obvious thing, but can be really helpful in certain situations.
couple hundred hours and I never knew about belt braiding! I thought they all acted the same way so never even tried other belts together
A simple defence method is to have a Belt fed with Coal on one side and Ammo on the other side, then you circle this around your base, and at intervals you place Gun Turrets fed with Burner Inserters.
Start with just a few Gun Turrets, perhaps clusters of 2, each barely within range of neighbouring clusters.
That's your basic self-supplying defence. Later you can add more Gun Turrets, have them on both sides of the Belt, and add a Wall (later again make the Wall double thickness), and upgrade the Ammo stream from normal to AP.
Of course an even simpler defence is a Chest with some fuel and Ammo in it, with 4 Gun Turrets in a cross shape, taking from the Chest with Burner Inserters. Such a cluster is VERY strong in the early game, but it requires manual resupply (in late mid game, of course, you can resupply Requster Chests with bots).
You just described my defences :-)
I'm going for the no laser turrets achievement and no robots so i have a double wall around my bases and gun turrets fed by a belt and some inserters. This means you need a lot of ammo clips AND supply the other bases manually (a steel chest full works very well) but so far i had no problems keeping the locals outside my base :-)
Good stuff! I didn't know about the requester stack size. Changing to like half a stack or quarter by default will be awesome. Thanks!
Sure thing! It would be really great if you could configure how much it sets it to when you copy paste. Hopefully in a future game update or a mod at some point.
One of your mods is modifying your stack request copying settings. The default value is x2 the amount not x10.
It's a setting in config file that a mod can alter.
Thanks for the extra tips Xterminator. These are very helpful.
Sure thing! Glad they helped. :)
I like to remove power lines from poles and put green/red wires on a separate set of poles from the power network so it's easier to see. I find it's a good use for all those old wooden power poles (at least before they added the ability to BURN them for fuel).
Ah yeah that is a pretty smart way of doing it. :D Finding a use for the crappy wooden poles is great too if you don't want to burn them.
I have over 500 hrs in this game and didn't know about that request stack thingy.... omfg, thank you sooo much!!!!!!!
No worries! I am still picking up on little features like that myself after all this time. So much to discover. :) Glad it helped you out!
I can't remember where I saw it but I have taken to using a technique that allows 3 if the same belt to occupy a 2 wide area, by having underground belts at maximum length, offset so the second lane start and end in the middle of the other lane, you can weave a third, longer belt around and between them.
if you place he assembly machines so that the middle lines up to a point where the woven belt switches sides, one assembly machine , with 1 or 2 long inserters and 2 or 1 fast inserters can access 3 blue belts of resources.
very useful for a blue circuit setup to get 2 and a half lanes of green circuits and half a lane of red.
Although power wise it's only really possible with either substations or the factorissimo mod (which I am in love with by the way, thanks for that showcase XD)
I've been killing spawners left and right. Is there a limit to how nasty the beasts get?
Yes they get to behemoth level and then stop.
Yeah, the behemoth biters/spitters are the highest level. After that point they won't evolve anymore.
u can check evolution lvl by typing /evolution in game console (enter by pressing ` next to 1 key) behemoth biters and spitters spown at evolution lvl 1 highest possible
Learned a couple things, tyvm.
Dhart572 Glad it helped!
Fantastic video. I did not know that you can copy requests from assemblers to chests that would help a lot. Thanks. 0w0
Thank you! Glad I could help. :)
This is so useful. The amount of time I've spent manually setting up my requester chests! Argh
I know right? Before I knew about this, it took forever to set things up.
Thank you for the tips. Have had this game for awhile and just starting to really play it.
Sure thing. :) Awesome, hope you're enjoying it!
Great Video. Thanks for the Text added too. Only 1 thing I would have suggested, you mentioned that the time portion of Bitter Evolution (BE) was: .00004%(?) a tick, (I forget how many zeros) I would have preferred you did the math and say how many % that was an hour.
EDIT: Looks like there are 216000 ticks an hour. so its 0.864% BE/hour. or 115 hours to get to 100% on Time alone.
Thanks! Yeah I probably should of done the math, just didn't want to make things longer than they were already.
Black Hat he mentioned in the video that there is a formula which slows down the evolution over time, so it would be a lot more complex than just multiplying it out. but a more reasonable time scale would have been definitely better.
For the requester chest, I always just restricted all the slots before I set the request, so even though the number was a whole stack, there were no "free spaces" in the chest for the over-eager bots to fill.
That's a good method actually, I hadn't thought of doing that. I would prefer to just tick the option for it to default to 1, but without that, your method is the best I think.
Does reducing pollution decrease the biter level?
Most of these are familiar, but I have never heard of disconnecting power lines, not sure if it would be useful but somehow very interesting to me.
It's typically for modular base setups. If you have an over-abundance of something (we'll just say Steel for example) if you have your power network set up properly, you can simply turn off that portion of the base until you need it again.
power poles can be used with red and green wires
I use constant combinators to output "recipes" of required items, i.e. the stuff you need to make 1 fast inserter, then multiply that by the ammount I need... is there a way to get the recipe from an assembly unity or from the item itself? (other than copying it by hand I mean)
Hmm I don't really think so, unless I'm understanding what you mean. Unfortunately you can't connect wires to assemblers to read whats being made in them.
That'd be a good idea for a mod: add a "recipe constant combinator" that lets you pick any recipe and outputs item type signals - one each for the required amount of the ingredients. An optional factor for all its ingredients would also be useful. I can imagine the circuit network pros doing all sorts of interesting things with it - like maybe a new ZuriMart.
Re copper wires and disconnecting (or connecting) them -- note the the blueprint will NOT store this, so you will always have wires even though you blueprinted without them.
Good point. It's really annoying that blueprints won't copy the changed copper wires, and unfortunately I don't think they have any plans to fix that soon. :/
Sometimes I use wooden power poles in blueprints to get around this problem. They're also affected, but they do have a lower connection range than other poles (and substations).
so good... was not long enough. didnt know any of that!
Glad it helped! :) That's funny, I almost never get people saying a video is too short. That's good to hear!
Very helpful! Thanks :)
Side note, isn't "behemoth" pronounced "ba-hee-mith"? That's how I've always heard it.
Andrew no its ba-hi-moth
It may vary with dialect. I'm pretty sure its be-hee-muth
Wires in factorio are completely broken. 1. Electric poles take copper plate not copper wire 2. Wires placed by bots do not actually use any wire items 3. Wires placed over other wires do not return the wire that you wish to remove 4. Removing wires does not return copper wire however adding wire does 5. Blueprints do not store the entities that wires are connected to for creating separate power networks... I am kinda sick of how wires work and would like to see some fixes
Never heard of gameplay huh? Its more important than logic
Burner inserters should also copy conditions, but given that they are so wasteful of energy, and harder to power, I wouldn't use them anyway
U can upgrade module by shift click
If you play with air filtering mod that will reduce polution, does that means slower biter evolution or they will progress the same because its impact of produced pollution? Air filter only reduce and remove already produced pollution...
I can't be 100% sure, but yeah my guess would be that it does not slow down evolution for the exact reason you stated. Which is a bit unfortunate.
I play with the air filtering mod, and from what I've seen after regular evolution checks, pollution was a lower factor than usual. My best guess is that you cannot revert evolution that was already caused, but you can stop it from contributing further if you set up the filter system properly.
1:23 Most usefull one.
Belt braiding - I think every "10 tips" have this, but no one have used it in their playthrough, but the one with copper to the switch (no one mentions it), I spent around 2 hours until I figured that out(
Belt braiding is hard to use, because you need to have 2 different speeds of items moving and not enough space.
yes, I know, but I do not understand, why people in their '10 Tips', talk about things that they do not use, and are silent about important things, like copper cable can be used similarly to red and green, for more than 1 year playing factorio I thought that is just preraft and it cannot be used(
It's usually better to move things around to make more room for belts than to braid them. Problems with braiding:
1. It's hard (or impossible in many cases) to see what's on the belts.
2. It's very easy to accidentally upgrade them, especially if they are near a spaghetti mess and/or you are using the upgrade planner mod to mass-upgrade belts. This can accidentally connect separate belts, which can be hard to detect due to #1 above.
So it's a handy trick in certain situations, but not recommended and definitely not for beginners (IMO).
Belt braiding is mostly only useful for super compact setups. Since most plays are in infinite sized map, space is rarely an issue, so I think most people just overdesign lots of extra spaces around stuffs to make it easier to move things around when needed.
The risk of incorrect upgrade and having things run at different speeds also adds to the complexities of braiding belts.
Thanks
For the shift-right shift-left copy paste thing, it seems like some items get 10x and some get 2x. Green and red circuits get 10x as you show, but blue ones get 2x. Don't quite understand why this is .
That's weird. O.o I would of mentioned that but honestly I didn't know. I figured they would have it be the same for all things.
My experience has been that assembler-to-requester amounts paste with a 2x multiplier, but sometimes just 1x for when the request is kinda big already. I expect there's a cut-off at some value. I usually go into my Requester chests and manually update the amount, as 2x is often not enough to make the bots keep that item supplied fast enough for assembler usage.
Are you sure you don't have some sort of mod installed? I seem to always get 2x, and I've seen some changes people make to allow 6x or so.
I think it is 2x. I didn't think any of the mods I was using changed that to 10x, but it must have. :/
Good video
Thank you!
"Large and be-a-moth biters"
I'm 99% sure burner inserters can be connected to the networks, I'm posting from m iPad so I can't check
Hmm, I'm pretty sure that when I placed it down there was no option to connect it.
Xterminator I'm confirmed it, I was surprised when I saw that we could
How can you see pollution map?
Turning on advanced info, with the ALT key.
Buh-HE-muth. If youve only read it and never heard it sometimes its hard to get right. Like "run like the wind." (Like you wind up a watch) its easy to get wrong.
Subbed, my dude. This has been most interesting. Ive also been looking into Autodesk Process Analysis (free product) to possibly optimise my setups. Might be interesting for you ;)
Who doesn't play woth biters? I don't :p.
I think the evolution due to destroying spawners is overrated, the amount of evolution you get from destroying a mere 1 spawner is only equivalent to about 9 seconds of evolution due to time passing
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. The enemies and enemy related things are definitely not balanced very well in the game currently.
0.0004% per tick is wrong.. This would be 0.024% per second, 1,44% per minute, 86,4% per hour. Full evolution after an hour right...,. By this time i usually start automating science to invent turrets in the first place, and you have behemoths. LOL
Uh, those numbers are taken directly from the wiki so I highly doubt they are wrong. As I also mentioned in the video, there is more to it than just the percentages. Each factor contributes less the farther the evolution goes.
You can read up on it here: wiki.factorio.com/Evolution
So no, it would not be full evolution after an hour, and yes those numbers are correct.
Your calculation is wrong because the growth is exponential, not linear.
Every tick, the evolution is increased by 0.0004%. But the next tick, it just takes the result of the previous tick's result and adds 0.0004%. This does *not* equal an increase of 0.0008%.