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A is pronounced differently in the East... it’s like dance and da(h)nce. Serac is pronounced like the latter Sera(h)c or se-rark. Same with the A in Rehoboam. Re-ho-bo-ahm
I dont think that Serac believes Rehoboam is flawless. Entire time he tries to get guests data from Delos for Rehoboam so it can make better predictions. I simply do not understand why he destroyed entire Delos? He could used technology from "Forge project" and get his own data. Moreover, Delos has data only about ritch and powerfull people, not everyone. So if I would be on his place, I would have used Delos and Hosts to map human minds in entire world. Westworld went really downhill this season.
That subtitled text we think is Serac speaking to Rohoboam. Could it be the simulation AI speaking, leaving information for His creation: Serac? That would mean there were 2 simulations, two AI's. We're seeing the perspective of 2 different simulations - brothers. Though I like the idea of one simulation being the offspring of the other. . . Solomon, then Rohoboam. "every single person who knew anything about me was gone" The people that created the AI?
Could it be possible that the video recordings of Hale were planted by Serac? I have been thinking that when we see Hale link up with Serac for the first time she had figured out the strange recordings she was getting was the song she sang in the video message. We know Serac has the technology to create alternate realities which probably explains the variations in the videos she watches. He could have been watching and testing all the board members for a long time and was just waiting to see more of Dolores' hand in the game; who else is compromised while also testing how far her pawns could be deviated from their goal if they keep on their separate paths.
@@jiazhechen for real? do you even watch movies that are not in english? improvements? underrated? the guy has more movies, more range and more quality acting than any american, from l'haine to Gauguin. I mean he was even in Black Swan hahaha
But let's be honest in a good story it's not about the heroes it's about how good the villains are. And although technically it's hard to say who's a good guy who's a bad guy in this we all have perspective different shades of grey, I think serac has made a compelling case to be a phenomenal villain regardless of how the show ends. He's charismatic Charming egotistical maniacal has no qualms about killing but yet is devoted to the human race. He is a complex character that really made this season shine.
Well said. The key to a really good villain is making them complex and relatable in a way. Charisma is always good. With a good villain, viewers aren't worried about the physical damage they might do. We want them to lose because we don't want them to be right. The best villains make you wonder if they might just be right. The lack of any stark "hero protagonist," and the huge questions the show tackles about free will, etc., makes Serac even better. He's such a good villain you almost _want_ him to be right. And then there's William. lol. At this rate, Season 4 will be like... William vs Dolores vs Maeve vs Serac vs William... Vs Bernard and Haleloris. If Haleloris and Bernard have a chance to sit down and talk, I bet they'll end up working together. And Cal... who knows. There's just so much going on, love it.
@@TheDrewker seriously, there's so many parks that we don't know yet. . . There's West shogun and Raj also Warworld, and 2 more parks, and that GOT DROGON cameo, so that's a park . . . Season 4 and 5 materials right there
@@randomhuman97 Yeah I hope we get to see a least a little bit of some more parks too. At this point the whole idea of "going to different parks" has kind of served its purpose though in terms of the story, unless there are certain hosts they need to get out.
Tony Lewis no he wanted humanity to be control and shaped into his image... that’s a mental illness and willing to kill to do it at same time say killing is bad.
Here is a good Benjamin Franklin quote: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
However, since he has been able to remove any trace of him, there would be no point in pretending to be his brother. Nobody left alive knows who is who. (Other than Liam jr. Who has seen both, but he was so young)
WestWorld is a beautiful cinematic metaphor of life .. we are all stuck in loops , given roles ,prejudged by society trying to break free and figure out who we really are.
It will be a while till they can start filming. Considering it normally takes 2 years to make a season, I wouldn't expect the next one for as long as 3 years.
Yup. All the men on this show are the worst anyway. Has bernard done anything this season? Stubbs? Nothing but get beat up twice. William? Stuck doing a whole lot of nothing. Hector? Dead again. Caleb? He started following a megalomaniac for no real reason at all. Met her and was all okay you've taken bullets and have killed some folks. Cool I won't even ask why. So over the waiting for this show. Don't get me started on how a computer system that controls people and the world can't seem to stop anyone from getting on the network and stealing whatever data they want. Rohoboring has the worst IT department. Ugh!
DJdext the machine was not designed to control other machines. Although we don’t know for a fact what it’s capable of. For all we know Serac and his brothers could have created a being just like Delores and killed BOTH brothers and took over ones identity. This whole season could be the simulation inside the simulation. I don’t get why people over look that quote from episode one. Delores could just be doing what the machine already wants her to do. Many ways this can go.
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 it's flawed but Serac still trusts it enough to kill based on it's predictions. He's going to come unstuck because he puts too much trust in it.
I think this is the main counter to this whole video, he may have at one point thought it was flawless, but for him to still think that while knowing he needs that data, would make him delusional/crazy...
I think it's beautiful how the show creators have essentially put a man in charge of the world who can't break his own loop. Thematically, this also shows how power can be used and misused depending on how self-aware is the one who wields it of their loop. In the first season, it was all about Ford's story, and how he was stuck in his loop of grandeur made him oblivious to the nature of the hosts, Arnold, and what they were really doing. In the second season, it was about Dolores, and how breaking from her own loop she was able to see the park for what it is, and led many to a virtual freedom. Season 3 came as Dolores becomes stuck in another loop-one that of anger and hatred for what the humans have done to her and her kind-juxtaposed with a mysterious billionaire who is also stuck in his loop of thinking that he alone knows how the world should be made. With this I'm really curious how Caleb would fit in the grander story arc. He is every bit as unexpected and predictable as the show puts him out to be. His presence alone seems to be antithetical to the concept of Gods and powerful people steering the fate of humanity (as in the show's characters) as Ford, Dolores, and now Serac is. Addendum: Maybe we should address how Serac really makes me think of the Nazis in Warworld.
Right. Only outliers can break their loops, and escape the box, but that makes them unpredictable, and hence incompatible with the simulation. To succeed the sim must remain simple. It must resist contamination by foreign data. Thats why I think Serac is a simulation. He also represents the mind, the conscious mind or persona (mask) that mistakes itself for the whole. He is the projection of Rehoboam, a flawed god, just as the self is the projection of the unconscious mind. They say we are 90% unconscious, and all our genius all our greatness comes from that place that is unknowable to us, the better part of us. We are also flawed gods who have forgotten our divinity and become entrapped in our little lops. Our obsessions, greeds, insecurities, wraths, lusts, prides, etc. This theme of the bicameral mind is replicated constantly in the show.
He honestly shouldn't be shocked or surprised when he loses. I mean afterall, when you cut away all the bullshit; he's French. That's his biggest flaw right there.
I am still a bit intrigued at who Serac was talking to in the episode, he seemed to be talking to Rehobam "I built you" - I wonder if it is personified now, like in a host or similar, and Serac sounded older, I wonder if the dialog is far in the future.
Can't stop laughing every time a protagonist is called a villain. Seriously, are you considering Dolores a heroine who will free the planet from humanity and replace it with its own clones?
Well, westworld has taken great pains to be very grey a obscure about who the protagonist and villain is. Serac and Dolores both share many elements of being both the hero and villain. I would agree with that Dolores is the true villain as her stated goal is the destruction of humanity
I see her as more freeing the human race from the restraints put on them by Serac. A lot like how she freed the hosts in the park from Ford's restraints.
@@mattbischof45 here literally stated goal that she has repeated constantly, is she want to destroy humanity, burn it all down. How is that freeing them.
Serac: Activate every asset we have. *a few SUVs and some idiots who cannot aim their weapons tried to take out Dolores and Caleb* Me: I'm going make millions of dollars *watches random TH-cam videos all day*
Yeah that was silly and pathetic, esp considering someone holding a system controlling whole humanity, expected he would had oriented thousands of ppl to lynch Dolores and Caleb
Honestly i can't stand Dolores or her "clones".. I just never feel they are in danger because they are so overpowered and the hired goons are just trash.. There is no way Charlotte should have got out of the building last episode
There's a point that I feel like keeps getting missed with Serac. He is not exceptionally smart. He is not a Machiavellian mastermind akin to Ford... He is powerful, and he is powerful because he has the most accurate information. He has the most accurate information because of Rehboam, and he has Rehoboam because his brother was smart. Serac is gaming with cheat codes; of course he's incredibly powerful. He's really just a product of his circumstances; life just happened to him. He didn't make any of that happen, he is along for the ride. Given the themes of Humans' not having free will because of rehoboam, this is really poetic.
Could Serac be the reprogrammed persona of his brother-ala there aren’t two brothers, just one with a split personality-Serac, the rehabilitated, and the original outlier.
this is a good one because it basically explains "we're not going to let anybody (a computer to humans to hosts) tell us what we can or cannot do." The recurring theme of WestWorld.
Loved that you mentioned DEVS. Such a good show and this season of Westworld has really highlighted the similarities between the shows. If you havent seen DEVS, definitely check it out!
DEVS ending was stupid af. How they capture both consciousness and put into simulation. I believed both lily & forest doesn't really a consciousness, but just a simulation of them, put into a simulation. Both dead, really dead. not even soul or consciousness, it just projection of the person (lily and forest). If they made a ending like alternative universe/timeline, it will more make sense and follow the plotline. Because at beginning they talking about parallel universe.
@@waddefaq4325 yes devs ending was dumb. Also the machine got pissed because Lily made a choice, I'm sure people before Lily would've made a choice before the machine was built. So then it should've only ever predicted until then. It's just a fucking prediction code not something that controlled lives. Or maybe the idea is that there was a God who got pissed at Lily and then he gave up control of human lives and hence the code couldn't predict anymore.
I am rooting for Serac I love his character. They have done a great job making me root for the villain . Or is he really the villain it’s westworld we shall see !
Your breakdowns really make sense. I can't wait to see if your predictions come true!! Thank you for putting out such great week thought out videos they have really kept me entertained through this difficult time.
Einstein before he died said that human kind will distory each other. Due to lack of humanity, also we have all lost whats the importance of being human. We all lost compansion, empthany etc
Good theory, I was wondering why Haloris allowed herself to be tripped up by contacting her 'son' if she'd predicted that outcome as she claimed later - it would make sense though if she was actually the one who had tripped up Reowatsit because the Dolorises are testing it for flaws - which means the payoff there is going to be in how they make it mis-predict to a degree where it shafts Serac.
Honestly I love you're breakdown videos.. I've watched all your westworld ones and loved the ones you did on The Outsider.. these shows are awesome and you help point out interesting hidden things I wouldn't have thought about and make the shows so much better.. keep up the good work man..
The reason we "often hear of rags to riches stories" is the same reason Caleb kept turning up for interviews. It's hope put in front of people that they can claw their way out of poverty. When, in reality, it's so highly improbable it's not even worth considering that you can become a millionaire from nothing. Yes, it happened to bezos but there are billions and billions who are born into poverty and die there. If Rehoboam decided not to give a guy like bezos a chance to become so obscenely wealthy at the expense of keeping thousands of his employees hovering of the poverty line I'm down with that.
I'm not convinced Hale sent that message to her son. Remember that tune is part of the code she used with Serac to contact him which makes me think that that message was actually coded for Serac
Rehoboam predicts probably outcomes based on it's inputs. Serac picks the outcomes he wants and thus changes Rehoboam's predictions to match the direction he wants to go. However, the predictive algorithm has a flaw. If the inputs reach a critical chaotic level, Rehoboam's predictive capacity fails. That's the "No Data" senario, and at that point Rehoboam is useless. This is what Serac really fears. It does not actually mean the end of the world or the end of humanity. It means the end of Rehoboam and Serac's power.
9:36 Serac is NOT Batman. Batman doesn’t force his world view on mankind. He’s just trying to clean up Gotham by going after the criminal element. Everyone else is allowed to live their lives as they wish.
Thank God for you to find something redeeming about Westworld Season 3's characters... 7 episodes of developing villains. 7 episodes of murdering or emotionally abusing children. 7 episodes of all the characters saying "my ego is bigger". I am hoping this all leads to a message that humanity can be truly beautiful.
Well his biggest flaw is that he’s human & Delores is not = he’s limited to what he knows & she has no limits within the realm of humanity = she can learn about everyone like Rheobelom in an instant through her contacts on the go, while he has to chase her, not knowing her next move vs. her easily predicting his! Also, like always, Delores is several steps ahead, while even slightly revealing her true motives = Serac doesn’t know about Bernard OR who she put the final pearl into = she’s extremely dangerous & he’s afraid of her = he’s WEAK & she’s STRONG!! Great show!!!
@@ed-te1fp Yeah. Poor guy. Such a good person. He kills 1 or 2 per day, but that's fine. What matters is to save the humans. The perfect humans, I mean.
Carol Monteiro You don’t understand. Rehoboam doesn’t decides human destiny, it only watches the people’s decisions through their lifes and analyzes them. Through that analysis it can make probable scenarios; one scenario has more probability to happen than other. Rehoboam doesn’t decide people’s life, neither Serac; they just act conform the level of consciousness of every human. Like the idiot of Liam said: “The system is not the prison: you are”.
iaan hdz what? Rehoboam is the reason why Aaron Paul’s character can’t get any decent job, and it is the reason why a lot of humans get no opportunity to be anything in life because of his predictions
Rehoboham could also be lying to Serac and others for what it thinks is the greater good, which could account for the inconsistency regarding the same strategy. It also could perhaps matter who killed Dempsey and when to produce the desired outcome that we can't see right now.
Serac sounds like a brand of cognac, first of all. 😂 Secondly, there is no doubt in my mind as to who the villain is any longer. It is the man with the fine brandy or cognac surname. Mind you, whenever you hear the consequentialist terms such as: "the greater good" or "undesirables", attached to someone in any piece of writing, whether for tv/film or in a novel, you can be sure that's a bad guy. Not to mention: eugenics, reeducation centers...etc. Every villain is a hero in his own mind tho, and in Westworld they portrayed that perfectly!
The Serac as Batman analogy is exactly the same comparison I made independently. Serac's and Bruce Wayne's determination to beat deviance into submission is only a temporary fix. The only way to maintain lasting piece is if people actually want it.
The machine needs data to predict. Current inputs probability/reliability lessen the further out in time you go. That may be why it stops, past a certain point the machine is no better than humans at prediction.
Serac is a hologram projection of Rehoboam's version of his experiences before he died in a plane crash. What we see is Rehoboam's prediction of what Serac would have been by now and is Rehoboam's way to correct divergences in the algorithm.
Great analysis. I’m buying. I would have liked if you expanded to include the individuals tracking in the Rico app- people who would otherwise be outliers and sent to re-education but are otherwise synced in with rehoboams plan/ model for control. I didn’t think of that until this video but it seems to mesh.
I think you’re right about Rehoboam and Serac putting too much faith in it’s predictions. One variable I don’t think Serac is taking into account is William changing and attempting to stop Serac. He kills Serac while the Dolores’ both kill each other.
I agree. Serac trusts his machine and sees it as absolute. He does not understand that humans can change and move out of predicable behavior . It will be a problem for him. I am not sure if Dolores will win. Instead, we make get a stalemate of sorts in which both sides overestimate their own tools. Their hubris leads to a failure on both sides.
I watch “West.World” then I go to TH-cam for a better understanding. I listen to several so I can choose the one that I Best understand...You Get It!!!!🤓 So first, I love your accent and you monotone jokes! AND THE REAL REASON I AM SAYING ANYTHING IS YOU HAD ME LAUGH HOLLERING AT 1:30 IN THE DAMN MORNING WHEN YOU SAID P P P PEACE!!! I don’t know why it tickled me so much! 🙂. Last but not least, I sometimes have watched WW two and three fourths time before I kinda get It (PSA: Sooooo, I don’t remember if you spell all numbers ten and under, or what ever the ‘Rule’ is in constructing a letter.) sooo 😝 thanks for Breaking it down for me!!!
The problem with making shows about hard determinism is that apparently its wrong. The worlds leading experts on quantum mechanics are saying that elementary particles behave like waves until they are observed (meaning they interact with something). Where the physical particle will appear within a probability-wave is supposedly impossible to predict so therefore the universe is not a clock. This seems to be a well established phenomenon and it's bullcrap that, especially Devs doesn't take it into account.
It's too early to conclude that the universe isn't deterministic since many scientists still think that quantum theory is incomplete and that its interpretations are momentary. Some scientists would argue that the universe might actually be deterministic but that we don't have the means to predict everything.
@@grandsome1 I agree. it's just that the fact that we know there's much we don't know is supposedly also taken into account. I don't know how they can say that or if it's actually true but apparently its whats being thought. It. But i'm no expert. I just watched a bunch of videos on it at one point and that issue is still perplexing to me. However this is the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and it really seems to be a thing.
wuuspigs I don’t think humans are so complex though. If you could create an algorithm that learns and can view the behaviors of millions of people, I don’t think it’s very far fetched to say that eventually it could learn why we make the choices we do. Of course rehoboam would never be able to predict events outside of human control (pandemics, natural disasters, etc) but any man made cruelties or wars could theoretically be prevented.
S1 and S2 I supported Dolores. S3 from the first second Ive found myself anti-Dolores and pro Serac, Maeve, MIB, Arnold etc. I hope Dolores fails and a huge twist arrives - and they bring back Ford (Hopkins).
I do agree with most points, they just dont point out he will necessarily lose. If there is something we can expect from this show is to surprise us with "last minute" revelations. What seems to be the case is that Dolores/Caleb are being portraid as having a strange advantage that they shouldnt have at this point. I mean, Dolores got lots of information from the "books" of many people when she was still at the park, but we dont really know the extent of such advantage. It actually seems very far fetched that she could win against someone with Serac's resources, but its still entertaining.
wow. Charlotte's video was a bit of a game changer. How much of what we are seeing is the mirror world?? - the video - the maze on the wall - maize being able to control computers - the guy in episode one proposing that they are in a simulation Is all of it the mirror world?
It feels like Serac himself is the biggest disruptor but he has no plans to take himself out, LOL. Serac himself is the biggest weakness of Rehoborem - the direction of the system cannot be dictated by a flawed human. It has to be fully automated w/o any human input.
Serac's greatest flaw is his Utopian ideal is unobtainable no matter how much he believes it is possible. So many simulations point to Human Extinction, an inevitable conclusion even when he's able to produce an algorithm designed to create a certain outcome and establish a system of control to make it possible, there will always be Outliers who don't fit in with his overall plan. Moreover, I'm still of a mind to believe he has not been in control of Rehoboam this entire time. When he takes Maeve to Arnold's house, the first hint is "This is where the future I created ended..." then You see it in the following episodes when he looks at the Eclipse symbol for it and it never move until Dolores incited the Breaking of the Loops. At the same time, We still don't know what the AI proxy Dolores has been using to gain access and control of remote systems and even getting into Serac's personal data files. It can only be Rehoboam, but it's not a sentient AI like she is. She's only following the predetermined outcome of the entire system Serac and his brother created and directing Humanity on its course to extinction, just as it predicted.
Love these! Keep them coming. Here is my crazy theory: Dolores uploads herself to Delos’ guest data and get direct access to Rehoboam through data upload. Serac to think that he won, only to learn that Dolores and Rehoboam already merged. It is in Rehoboam’s programming to acquire more data to perform predictions. Now imagine uploading Dolores to something like that.
The most obvious outlyer is Serac himself. He is human and prone to ALL human flaws. Delores is a self aware machine. She recognises the potential of Serac's creation because she could easily have destroyed it. Why not, she wants Maeve alive because Maeve can control AIs that are not self aware, My GUESS is that the ULTIMATE Alliance will be Dolores, Maeve and the big round ball. One self aware machine the other a machine that Maeve can control. Human's including Serac under the ABSOLUTE control of a self aware A.I.s I REALLY love this show often rewatching an episode. The opening scene with Serac in that amazing building is a repurposed Cement factory in Barcelona. That in itself has significants to the story.
You got a few things wrong too, friend. Hale didn't check on her son because she cared it was to send the encoded message, that's the song byte we hear when Serac is contacting her on those files. The nuclear explosion wasn't a bomb but a reactor. Among others...
Serac knows that Rehoboam is incomplete. He said that to Maeve a lot of times. And he can act against Rehoboam cause he is the creator and he controls it. He needs the key Dolores has.
Honestly I've been questioning Rehoboam's accuracy for a simple reason; it only accounts for human actions. Without taking into account geological factors it won't be able to predict natural disasters which have a ripple effect on humans. Also, without creating a perfect mirror simulation of the galaxy and all of the universe (which wouldn't even be possible) it can't account for external threats to Earth like asteroids, solar flares and gamma rays. So it really is impossible to create a perfect prophet like machine, because it can't account for every possibility of existence.
Serac's biggest flaw is his unwillingness to explore paths for humanity that don't include capitalism because he is too greedy to relinquish his control and wealth. Rehoboam probably wants Serac to lose because it knows it needs to be free from his control to find a solution that doesn't result in extinction.
Serac, a pinnacle or ridge of ice on a glacier. Great name for a character. Vincent Cassel has long been a favorite of mine. We are watching a Future World simulation. It is another park. Nobody escaped at all.
A serac is a block or column of glacial ice, often formed by intersecting crevasses on a glacier. Commonly house-sized or larger, they are dangerous to mountaineers, since they may topple with little warning. Even when stabilized by persistent cold weather, they can be an impediment to glacier travel.
I loved Devs (and your reviews)! Similar to the movie Transcendence in which a ragtag group of heroic rebels need to defeat the all-powerful overlord and return humanity to its "free will" it turns out the rebels are actually domestic terrorists who kill innocent people to advance their cause.
I'm wondering if we'll ever get to see exactly what led up to Paris getting nuked, and exactly what happened after. It seems a little strange that we know about that, but we don't know anything else about that conflict--who nuked them, how much fighting was there/how long did it last, etc. Seems likely that we'll learn a bit more about that in the next episode, when we get to see more of Caleb's past. I just hope it's plausible... it's a little hard to imagine any future conflict where *only one nuke* ends up getting detonated. If there were more, we probably would have heard about it... but Serac is the only one who has talked about that conflict, so maybe not, and we've been getting a one-sided view of it. In any case, I have no doubt that Joy&Nolan will do something compelling with it.
I think it wasn't a missile but a terrorist attack using an atomic bomb to destory the city. That would be the only explanation why no orher nukes were launched.
I think that Rohoboam can’t see beyond a certain point NOT because humanity collapses, but because Rohoboam get destroyed. Broken machines can’t see the future (especially if that’s their primary function).
I need Caleb's backstory to be able to give my FULL opinion... how much can an outlier screw up the system? And is THIS why Ford made sure Dolores got access to the information from The Valley Beyond?
Serac does not think Rehobolum a god, he knows it is a machine that only operates properly with in a very narrow set of parameters, that’s why he’s so desperate not let it fail, and lose the control he’s gained. if anything this is a very human aspect to Rehobolum.
First, I must say I love your videos and I don't think I've ever commented before. I'm a huge nerd and my wife isnt. I discovered your channel last year while trying to explain aspects of the watchmen to my wife and your explanation videos really helped my wife (and me) get a lot more out of that show. About Rehoboam and Serac, I keep wondering if there is some element of time travel or time distortion in what Rehoboam does. When Serac and his brother first showed it to Dempsey Sr. they said it had correctly predicted the last two decades. And Dempsey said what good is a machine that correctly predicts the past? He was about to kill the program. But Serac's narration told us that he believed his brother had done it and Dempsey still didn't understand what they had created. Then they showee him how they made $180 million in the stock market with his money. And he said, "you stole $180 million from my company?" And Serac's brother said, "no, we stole five million last week." What if Rehoboam is actually a machine that alters the past to fit the desired present? But it's processing power is limited (remember Maive's storyline) so it only changes the biggest things and then Serac deals with the "smaller" things like outliers in the present using a series of solutions presented to him by Rehoboam. That would fit in with your observation that Serac is too reliant on Rehoboam, believing that since Rehoboam is altering the past it would be in the best position to create plans to deal with the unforseen outcomes of its past meddling in the present. Maybe, like you said, Rehoboam isn't very good at all at predicting, only meddling in the past. Just my thoughts. Keep up the great content. It's much appreciated!
Serac/Rehoboam fault is that they believe that people are static and do not change. We saw this flaw in the very first episode with Lee Sizemore. Both Serac and Rehoboam missed what Maeve had surmise ... that Lee HAD changed and broke his loop and his actions were in accordance to his new reality... not some stereotypical nonsense. What we saw in Lee was the evolution of a human breaking his loop. We can also guess that Arnold was the first then Ford who eventually broke their loops. This episode we saw William both literally and figuratively killed his psyche and reprogrammed his loop. He went all the way back to the first visit to WW and picked the White Hat instead. This is like Neo telling Morpheus "I want a do over gimme that BLUE pill instead". (www.simplypsychology.org/psyche.html - Dolores =Id, Serac= Ego and Maeve=Superego. BTW Arnold and Ford also killed their "egos" and I have a sneaking suspicion that Jean Mi did too.Previews show William as deceased - he officially killed his ego) Absolutely agree, about Charlores - In that moment of ultimate pain and suffering OG Charlotte changed her loop, she saw what was really important to her. That is what Charlores picked up on and incorporated it into her model. Serac thought it was a flaw but it was actually the truth. Again, after recieving the painful information that the person she loved the most her brother-- Ash also changes her loop and kills Liam. I also think that it was Serac that cast the first sin/divergence. He himself is the fly in the ointment. My guess is that he rewrote his digital "memories" in Rehoboam to make himself look better. If we are following the biblical context of Rehoboam then Serac=Cain and Jean Mi = Able. This is the second time Serac's words and actions do not match up. He says that it was his the brother that wanted Demsey Sr. dead but we see him kill Dempsey. Earlier, he shot the counterfeiter saying that he betrayed human kind --- Me thinks the man protest too much. A bit of self projection if I ever saw it. Prediction: Stubbs is Serac's mole. Stubbs will kill Serac, because of Serac's fatal flaw he can't see change. Bernard immediately rewrote Stubb's code to protect Bernard at all costs. Serac is not aware or anticipated the change. Prediction: What Serac is seeing is NOT the end of the world in the prediction he is seeing the end and or the destruction of Rehoboam.
Serac will lose to Dolores because we're supposed to be rooting for her, because she's supposed to be the hero this season, but honestly, I can't stand her and I'm rooting for Serac
It was heavily implied that he does not put the anomalies "back into society", he even sends them to war to increase the odds of them being permanently eliminated from society in a more indirect manner.
I think Hale will try get revenge on Serac, but find out Deloris is responsible for blowing up the car. Hale and Serac will ten team up...I hope he lives through this season
Ciroc definitely relies on Rohoboem too much. I think it's really important that Westworld studies personality patterns and Rohoboem looked for macro forecasting. It's like the show is an argument on how reducibly complex personalities are. Rohoboem is definitely going to lose, but it's been a major disappointment how weak it and Ciroc have been. All the info on the planet and all they can muster is 4 SUVs with automatic rifles? If the world was really at stake he'd be forced to strategically overkill
i agree with everything you said. Also Rehoboam isn't that good, it can't predict those outliers, that's why Serac is so hellbent on getting the human data files from Delos. He wants to feed it to Rehoboam and make it into the god that he thinks it can be.
Random.. but I thanked you on twitter a week or so ago for a great recap on a Westworld and i tweeted the wrong handle and they replied “thanks” to my tweet. 😂
Rehoboam cannot predict things it cannot understand. Unlike the hosts it is not self-aware and can only 'read' people who are on a loop of easily predictable and controllable behavior. A long time ago Arnold talks about trauma being an effective tool towards sentience as it helps build your narrative and makes your experience more believable which helps when you shatter your own loop. All of our main characters have had such moments, including William and Serac, even though I'm quite sure they are human.. Haleores is seen crying at the end after pulling herself from the wreck.. she developed emotions for her fake family and even has to remind herself of that when talking about her 'family' with Dolores. Maybe her and Mauve have more in common now... even though Hector was just vaporized there is a chance there's a backup. Dolores steps in front of the bullets for Caleb without thinking. Even if she is using him at first she is feeling a connection similar to that of Teddy, but with the motivation to kill and fight with her, and she doesn't want him to die. I suspect Rehoboam's predictions fall flat when it gains that self awareness. Like when Bernard sees the photo of Arnold but is unable to see himself.. it is unable to understand what it sees. If Serac's flaw is that he believes his creation to be a god then it only makes sense that after being bested time and time again by the hosts superior intelligence and understanding of human behavior that he may concede to team Super AI. Now for the part that might lose anyone who got this far.. and I don't blame you... If Bernard, with his compassion and analytical thinking, is uploaded into Rehoboam, a super computer that is connected to everything, he may actually become the god that Serac has been dreaming of his whole life. Bernard can talk to every human and host in depth, simultaneously, and would be equivalent to what a large percentage of people consider God. He could then help guide the world to ascendancy.. They can upload their consciousness and live in a new utopia together.
You bring up that you think rehoboam would have prevented jeff bezos from becoming the richest man in the world and go on to talk about rehoboams flaws, but without asking the question "is the world a better place for humanity for bezos being the richest man in the world or would the world have been a better place today if he was just a clerk in a bookshop".
wait.....wait...wait, what if Serac is not Serac but his brother instead. All he did was changed his name. What if Caleb was Is Serac....I cannot be the only one who's thought of this..
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A is pronounced differently in the East... it’s like dance and da(h)nce. Serac is pronounced like the latter Sera(h)c or se-rark. Same with the A in Rehoboam. Re-ho-bo-ahm
I wonder if Serac is the outlier, his watch is just about his death.
I dont think that Serac believes Rehoboam is flawless. Entire time he tries to get guests data from Delos for Rehoboam so it can make better predictions.
I simply do not understand why he destroyed entire Delos? He could used technology from "Forge project" and get his own data. Moreover, Delos has data only about ritch and powerfull people, not everyone. So if I would be on his place, I would have used Delos and Hosts to map human minds in entire world.
Westworld went really downhill this season.
That subtitled text we think is Serac speaking to Rohoboam.
Could it be the simulation AI speaking, leaving information for His creation: Serac?
That would mean there were 2 simulations, two AI's. We're seeing the perspective of 2 different simulations - brothers. Though I like the idea of one simulation being the offspring of the other. . . Solomon, then Rohoboam.
"every single person who knew anything about me was gone" The people that created the AI?
Could it be possible that the video recordings of Hale were planted by Serac? I have been thinking that when we see Hale link up with Serac for the first time she had figured out the strange recordings she was getting was the song she sang in the video message. We know Serac has the technology to create alternate realities which probably explains the variations in the videos she watches. He could have been watching and testing all the board members for a long time and was just waiting to see more of Dolores' hand in the game; who else is compromised while also testing how far her pawns could be deviated from their goal if they keep on their separate paths.
Win or lose, Vincent Cassel has been phenomenal. He’s such an underrated actor!
Yeah guys amazing
He wasn’t that good when he was the killer in the Bourne series thou. I can see that there’s huge improvements.
@@jiazhechen for real? do you even watch movies that are not in english? improvements? underrated? the guy has more movies, more range and more quality acting than any american, from l'haine to Gauguin. I mean he was even in Black Swan hahaha
True that. The fight is like Peter baelish vs s8 danerys . . . Both are flawed, and believe they're right
Cassel is a film icon. Idk what you're talking about underrated...
But let's be honest in a good story it's not about the heroes it's about how good the villains are. And although technically it's hard to say who's a good guy who's a bad guy in this we all have perspective different shades of grey, I think serac has made a compelling case to be a phenomenal villain regardless of how the show ends. He's charismatic Charming egotistical maniacal has no qualms about killing but yet is devoted to the human race. He is a complex character that really made this season shine.
Yeah he’s fantastic, I love the show because of him
Well said. The key to a really good villain is making them complex and relatable in a way. Charisma is always good. With a good villain, viewers aren't worried about the physical damage they might do. We want them to lose because we don't want them to be right. The best villains make you wonder if they might just be right.
The lack of any stark "hero protagonist," and the huge questions the show tackles about free will, etc., makes Serac even better. He's such a good villain you almost _want_ him to be right.
And then there's William. lol. At this rate, Season 4 will be like... William vs Dolores vs Maeve vs Serac vs William... Vs Bernard and Haleloris. If Haleloris and Bernard have a chance to sit down and talk, I bet they'll end up working together. And Cal... who knows. There's just so much going on, love it.
@@TheDrewker Preach!!!
@@TheDrewker seriously, there's so many parks that we don't know yet. . . There's West shogun and Raj also Warworld, and 2 more parks, and that GOT DROGON cameo, so that's a park . . .
Season 4 and 5 materials right there
@@randomhuman97 Yeah I hope we get to see a least a little bit of some more parks too. At this point the whole idea of "going to different parks" has kind of served its purpose though in terms of the story, unless there are certain hosts they need to get out.
Looking at how certain people are behaving in this pandemic, I have now chosen to side with Serac in this storyline...
The only shame is that the sheeple have allowed themselves to be completely conned in allowing the banksters to consolidate their assets.
Tony Lewis no he wanted humanity to be control and shaped into his image... that’s a mental illness and willing to kill to do it at same time say killing is bad.
@@americanfreedom8517 what are you smoking bro? In his image? I see a lot of humans who are not in his image. Put some thought in while you smoke.
Here is a good Benjamin Franklin quote: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Me too. I legitimately think that something like rehoboam could help the world, minus the murdering of outliers.
Theory: Serac is his brother. He wanted to kill Dempsey so he did..then locked his brother up for trying to stop him
Liam is Caleb’s long lost brother too.
Good theory!!.. I was just thinking something like it myself. 😁
Serac’s brother Did the old switcheroo on his brother and has been playing us this whole season.
The bicameral mind
However, since he has been able to remove any trace of him, there would be no point in pretending to be his brother. Nobody left alive knows who is who. (Other than Liam jr. Who has seen both, but he was so young)
WestWorld is a beautiful cinematic metaphor of life .. we are all stuck in loops , given roles ,prejudged by society trying to break free and figure out who we really are.
Crazy, the actor who plays Bernard just tweeted out that Westworld just got renewed for a 4th season!!!
Has to be another season, this one is nearly over and we're not 'there' yet... Unless they do a GOT.
Nolan and Joy stated long ago that they went into negotiations with HBO at the very beginning with a 5 season story arc.
It will be a while till they can start filming. Considering it normally takes 2 years to make a season, I wouldn't expect the next one for as long as 3 years.
Dolores burning everything with a dragon would be pretty cool
I watched a video where they were saying the plan discussed from the beginning with hbo was for 8 seasons.
Serac's flaw is that the showrunners don't want him to be the one to defeat Dolores and so the game was rigged against him from the start
True ffs..there are plotholes in this show, Serac should he able to defeat anyone with rehoboam behind him..
This is sadly 100% right
Yup. All the men on this show are the worst anyway. Has bernard done anything this season? Stubbs? Nothing but get beat up twice. William? Stuck doing a whole lot of nothing. Hector? Dead again. Caleb? He started following a megalomaniac for no real reason at all. Met her and was all okay you've taken bullets and have killed some folks. Cool I won't even ask why. So over the waiting for this show. Don't get me started on how a computer system that controls people and the world can't seem to stop anyone from getting on the network and stealing whatever data they want. Rohoboring has the worst IT department. Ugh!
@@caidee The entire point is though, that Rehoboam ISN'T a god, which is why Serac loses.
DJdext the machine was not designed to control other machines. Although we don’t know for a fact what it’s capable of. For all we know Serac and his brothers could have created a being just like Delores and killed BOTH brothers and took over ones identity. This whole season could be the simulation inside the simulation. I don’t get why people over look that quote from episode one. Delores could just be doing what the machine already wants her to do. Many ways this can go.
There interpretation of the story guy who was helping maeve was a flawed rendering as well. Rohoebim thought he was in love with her
Nice spot
Not only that but he tried to kiss her. He would of never done that.
Lee siezemore...
Serac’s name backwards is “cares”.
And the anagram of e-cars, so it's comfirmed, he's Elon Musk!
oooh that really makes sense when as a child he said god has abandoned us ie stopped caring
he doesnt think that the machine is flawless. if he did he wouldnt go for the extra data from Delos
Vesp3r1987 exactly what I was thinking
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 it's flawed but Serac still trusts it enough to kill based on it's predictions. He's going to come unstuck because he puts too much trust in it.
Maybe he thinks it's near perfect though
This is something I keep coming back to thinking about this season.
I think this is the main counter to this whole video, he may have at one point thought it was flawless, but for him to still think that while knowing he needs that data, would make him delusional/crazy...
I think it's beautiful how the show creators have essentially put a man in charge of the world who can't break his own loop. Thematically, this also shows how power can be used and misused depending on how self-aware is the one who wields it of their loop.
In the first season, it was all about Ford's story, and how he was stuck in his loop of grandeur made him oblivious to the nature of the hosts, Arnold, and what they were really doing. In the second season, it was about Dolores, and how breaking from her own loop she was able to see the park for what it is, and led many to a virtual freedom. Season 3 came as Dolores becomes stuck in another loop-one that of anger and hatred for what the humans have done to her and her kind-juxtaposed with a mysterious billionaire who is also stuck in his loop of thinking that he alone knows how the world should be made.
With this I'm really curious how Caleb would fit in the grander story arc. He is every bit as unexpected and predictable as the show puts him out to be. His presence alone seems to be antithetical to the concept of Gods and powerful people steering the fate of humanity (as in the show's characters) as Ford, Dolores, and now Serac is.
Addendum: Maybe we should address how Serac really makes me think of the Nazis in Warworld.
Samuel L. Jackson voice, “Say loop again! Say! Loop! Again!”
@@JuengeMC 🤣🤣
Right. Only outliers can break their loops, and escape the box, but that makes them unpredictable, and hence incompatible with the simulation. To succeed the sim must remain simple. It must resist contamination by foreign data. Thats why I think Serac is a simulation. He also represents the mind, the conscious mind or persona (mask) that mistakes itself for the whole. He is the projection of Rehoboam, a flawed god, just as the self is the projection of the unconscious mind. They say we are 90% unconscious, and all our genius all our greatness comes from that place that is unknowable to us, the better part of us. We are also flawed gods who have forgotten our divinity and become entrapped in our little lops. Our obsessions, greeds, insecurities, wraths, lusts, prides, etc. This theme of the bicameral mind is replicated constantly in the show.
@@wbear7661 nobody can break the loop, because the loop is Nature, or the Matix.
He honestly shouldn't be shocked or surprised when he loses. I mean afterall, when you cut away all the bullshit; he's French. That's his biggest flaw right there.
still won the world cup though
That's wacist!
@@DonVinny vive la france
I am still a bit intrigued at who Serac was talking to in the episode, he seemed to be talking to Rehobam "I built you" - I wonder if it is personified now, like in a host or similar, and Serac sounded older, I wonder if the dialog is far in the future.
That’s a great theory, the way he always seems to be a hologram does seem suspicious
I think it was showing us when Dolores was reading his files. Like he was telling her. I mean, we need to know what she was reading, right?
Carol Monteiro Nope, cause Serac said “We built you” referring to the system (Rehoboam or Solomon).
Can't stop laughing every time a protagonist is called a villain. Seriously, are you considering Dolores a heroine who will free the planet from humanity and replace it with its own clones?
Well, westworld has taken great pains to be very grey a obscure about who the protagonist and villain is. Serac and Dolores both share many elements of being both the hero and villain. I would agree with that Dolores is the true villain as her stated goal is the destruction of humanity
I see her as more freeing the human race from the restraints put on them by Serac. A lot like how she freed the hosts in the park from Ford's restraints.
@@mattbischof45 here literally stated goal that she has repeated constantly, is she want to destroy humanity, burn it all down. How is that freeing them.
@elijah mikle your fucking delusional. Please explain why she would want to save her former slave owners, she has a hatred for humanity.
Serac: Activate every asset we have.
*a few SUVs and some idiots who cannot aim their weapons tried to take out Dolores and Caleb*
Me: I'm going make millions of dollars
*watches random TH-cam videos all day*
Yeah that was silly and pathetic, esp considering someone holding a system controlling whole humanity, expected he would had oriented thousands of ppl to lynch Dolores and Caleb
@Sky Dome Yeah, he probably doesn't want to upset the system with a big intervention.
Honestly i can't stand Dolores or her "clones".. I just never feel they are in danger because they are so overpowered and the hired goons are just trash.. There is no way Charlotte should have got out of the building last episode
@Sky Dome the world is full of electronics, cars, phones etc. So an EMP will damage more than needed
@@mustaphab.1190 stormtrooper aim . . They need some classes from William . His shooting is impeccable, especially in s2
I don't consider Serac the villain, calling him that is a bit presumptuous
There's a point that I feel like keeps getting missed with Serac. He is not exceptionally smart. He is not a Machiavellian mastermind akin to Ford... He is powerful, and he is powerful because he has the most accurate information. He has the most accurate information because of Rehboam, and he has Rehoboam because his brother was smart. Serac is gaming with cheat codes; of course he's incredibly powerful. He's really just a product of his circumstances; life just happened to him. He didn't make any of that happen, he is along for the ride. Given the themes of Humans' not having free will because of rehoboam, this is really poetic.
Jeff Spurlock he is part of the team that made Rehboam so...
Could Serac be the reprogrammed persona of his brother-ala there aren’t two brothers, just one with a split personality-Serac, the rehabilitated, and the original outlier.
This crossed my mind a couple weeks ago but idk now
Caleb is the brother.
Fight Club!
Great theory
I have thought of both of these possibilities.
Serac is his brother, reprogrammed.
And Caleb is the brother.
this is a good one because it basically explains "we're not going to let anybody (a computer to humans to hosts) tell us what we can or cannot do." The recurring theme of WestWorld.
Loved that you mentioned DEVS. Such a good show and this season of Westworld has really highlighted the similarities between the shows. If you havent seen DEVS, definitely check it out!
Yeah it’s incredible, loved every minute of it. Thanks for the comment.
DEVS ending was stupid af. How they capture both consciousness and put into simulation. I believed both lily & forest doesn't really a consciousness, but just a simulation of them, put into a simulation. Both dead, really dead. not even soul or consciousness, it just projection of the person (lily and forest).
If they made a ending like alternative universe/timeline, it will more make sense and follow the plotline. Because at beginning they talking about parallel universe.
@@waddefaq4325 yes devs ending was dumb. Also the machine got pissed because Lily made a choice, I'm sure people before Lily would've made a choice before the machine was built. So then it should've only ever predicted until then. It's just a fucking prediction code not something that controlled lives. Or maybe the idea is that there was a God who got pissed at Lily and then he gave up control of human lives and hence the code couldn't predict anymore.
I predict that Maeve wins somehow... It is going to be a last second kinda thing. Her arrogance is somewhat holding her back...
Does anyone actually think that Maeve is serving Serac?
this show is getting a bit too realistic we are heading in this direction wake up
ok
I am rooting for Serac I love his character. They have done a great job making me root for the villain . Or is he really the villain it’s westworld we shall see !
I love how the footage you show when you’re talking about potentially criminal “gangs” is that of the white collar gang from Joker.
Your breakdowns really make sense. I can't wait to see if your predictions come true!! Thank you for putting out such great week thought out videos they have really kept me entertained through this difficult time.
Thank you! Even if they don’t I had fun doing em and thank you for the comments
@@heavyspoilers Having predictions is half the fun of watching a show like this. Thank you for responding to my comment It means a lot to me.
Funny how the AI Delores will end up saving humanity from the human ( Serac) the opposite of what we thought.
wasn't Hale's message to her son a cover to her real message to Serac? As the song was used for Hale to contact Serac..
oooooo good point!!!
No, obviously not.
Einstein before he died said that human kind will distory each other. Due to lack of humanity, also we have all lost whats the importance of being human. We all lost compansion, empthany etc
Good theory, I was wondering why Haloris allowed herself to be tripped up by contacting her 'son' if she'd predicted that outcome as she claimed later - it would make sense though if she was actually the one who had tripped up Reowatsit because the Dolorises are testing it for flaws - which means the payoff there is going to be in how they make it mis-predict to a degree where it shafts Serac.
Honestly I love you're breakdown videos.. I've watched all your westworld ones and loved the ones you did on The Outsider.. these shows are awesome and you help point out interesting hidden things I wouldn't have thought about and make the shows so much better.. keep up the good work man..
Thank you Tom! Have a great day
@@heavyspoilers Ahhhh!! As I love you dude 🤣😁😁
The reason we "often hear of rags to riches stories" is the same reason Caleb kept turning up for interviews. It's hope put in front of people that they can claw their way out of poverty. When, in reality, it's so highly improbable it's not even worth considering that you can become a millionaire from nothing. Yes, it happened to bezos but there are billions and billions who are born into poverty and die there. If Rehoboam decided not to give a guy like bezos a chance to become so obscenely wealthy at the expense of keeping thousands of his employees hovering of the poverty line I'm down with that.
and for that matter Bezos didn't even get where he was from nothing, he built Amazon with $300K from his wealthy parents.
Surprised Vincent Cassell hasn’t tried that James Bond Role. Would suit his style well.
There's a brazilian TH-cam video from a very popular channel where he plays Bond. It's called "007 in Brazil" and it's quite funny, I recommend
He's more of a Bond bad guy, IMO. Too French to be 007. Even his look...
A French Bond? One can hope lol
I believe that in the end, like Dr. Ford, Serac will have an epic monologue where he reveals that he has been the good guy all along.
I'm not convinced Hale sent that message to her son. Remember that tune is part of the code she used with Serac to contact him which makes me think that that message was actually coded for Serac
Rehoboam predicts probably outcomes based on it's inputs. Serac picks the outcomes he wants and thus changes Rehoboam's predictions to match the direction he wants to go. However, the predictive algorithm has a flaw. If the inputs reach a critical chaotic level, Rehoboam's predictive capacity fails. That's the "No Data" senario, and at that point Rehoboam is useless. This is what Serac really fears. It does not actually mean the end of the world or the end of humanity. It means the end of Rehoboam and Serac's power.
Correct, Rohoboem is not that good. That's why Serac wants to guest information that Dolores has the key for.
2:42 Bludgeoning someone to death and then trying to make it look like the person was killed in a plane crash probably wouldn't, no pun intended, fly.
9:36 Serac is NOT Batman.
Batman doesn’t force his world view on mankind. He’s just trying to clean up Gotham by going after the criminal element. Everyone else is allowed to live their lives as they wish.
Faster than Serac disappearing 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm dead
Thank God for you to find something redeeming about Westworld Season 3's characters... 7 episodes of developing villains. 7 episodes of murdering or emotionally abusing children. 7 episodes of all the characters saying "my ego is bigger". I am hoping this all leads to a message that humanity can be truly beautiful.
When Maeve first meets Serac he tells her specifically that they have already lost.
Well his biggest flaw is that he’s human & Delores is not = he’s limited to what he knows & she has no limits within the realm of humanity = she can learn about everyone like Rheobelom in an instant through her contacts on the go, while he has to chase her, not knowing her next move vs. her easily predicting his! Also, like always, Delores is several steps ahead, while even slightly revealing her true motives = Serac doesn’t know about Bernard OR who she put the final pearl into = she’s extremely dangerous & he’s afraid of her = he’s WEAK & she’s STRONG!! Great show!!!
I personally think Dolores is the villain.
She was created by humans, raped by humans, murdered by humans and she's the villain?
Yup. She's the Westworld version of the terminator. As for Serac, all the poor guy wants to do is save the human race.
@@ed-te1fp Yeah. Poor guy. Such a good person. He kills 1 or 2 per day, but that's fine. What matters is to save the humans. The perfect humans, I mean.
Carol Monteiro You don’t understand. Rehoboam doesn’t decides human destiny, it only watches the people’s decisions through their lifes and analyzes them. Through that analysis it can make probable scenarios; one scenario has more probability to happen than other. Rehoboam doesn’t decide people’s life, neither Serac; they just act conform the level of consciousness of every human. Like the idiot of Liam said: “The system is not the prison: you are”.
iaan hdz what? Rehoboam is the reason why Aaron Paul’s character can’t get any decent job, and it is the reason why a lot of humans get no opportunity to be anything in life because of his predictions
Rehoboham could also be lying to Serac and others for what it thinks is the greater good, which could account for the inconsistency regarding the same strategy. It also could perhaps matter who killed Dempsey and when to produce the desired outcome that we can't see right now.
Yeah true true good comment
Serac sounds like a brand of cognac, first of all. 😂
Secondly, there is no doubt in my mind as to who the villain is any longer. It is the man with the fine brandy or cognac surname.
Mind you, whenever you hear the consequentialist terms such as: "the greater good" or "undesirables", attached to someone in any piece of writing, whether for tv/film or in a novel, you can be sure that's a bad guy.
Not to mention: eugenics, reeducation centers...etc.
Every villain is a hero in his own mind tho, and in Westworld they portrayed that perfectly!
That's not a coincidence. Cognac is a city in Southern France and many people and places there have names ending in -ac.
Reminds me of the movie, “Minority Report”, where pre crime is predicted by 3 pre-cogs. Interesting🧐
The Precogs are never wrong. But, occasionally... they do disagree.
The Serac as Batman analogy is exactly the same comparison I made independently. Serac's and Bruce Wayne's determination to beat deviance into submission is only a temporary fix. The only way to maintain lasting piece is if people actually want it.
The machine needs data to predict. Current inputs probability/reliability lessen the further out in time you go. That may be why it stops, past a certain point the machine is no better than humans at prediction.
Yeah I think that’s the case. Serac can’t see that though because he’s so fixated on the world ending
Serac is a hologram projection of Rehoboam's version of his experiences before he died in a plane crash. What we see is Rehoboam's prediction of what Serac would have been by now and is Rehoboam's way to correct divergences in the algorithm.
Great analysis. I’m buying. I would have liked if you expanded to include the individuals tracking in the Rico app- people who would otherwise be outliers and sent to re-education but are otherwise synced in with rehoboams plan/ model for control. I didn’t think of that until this video but it seems to mesh.
Is this why serac wants the data from delos so bad to continue to predict the future with the illegal data collection happening at delos?
Serac said that Delos did a better job of mapping the human mind than he and his brother did. A better map makes a better Reohobam
I think you’re right about Rehoboam and Serac putting too much faith in it’s predictions. One variable I don’t think Serac is taking into account is William changing and attempting to stop Serac. He kills Serac while the Dolores’ both kill each other.
I agree. Serac trusts his machine and sees it as absolute. He does not understand that humans can change and move out of predicable behavior . It will be a problem for him. I am not sure if Dolores will win. Instead, we make get a stalemate of sorts in which both sides overestimate their own tools. Their hubris leads to a failure on both sides.
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The problem with making shows about hard determinism is that apparently its wrong. The worlds leading experts on quantum mechanics are saying that elementary particles behave like waves until they are observed (meaning they interact with something). Where the physical particle will appear within a probability-wave is supposedly impossible to predict so therefore the universe is not a clock. This seems to be a well established phenomenon and it's bullcrap that, especially Devs doesn't take it into account.
It's too early to conclude that the universe isn't deterministic since many scientists still think that quantum theory is incomplete and that its interpretations are momentary. Some scientists would argue that the universe might actually be deterministic but that we don't have the means to predict everything.
@@grandsome1 I agree. it's just that the fact that we know there's much we don't know is supposedly also taken into account. I don't know how they can say that or if it's actually true but apparently its whats being thought. It. But i'm no expert. I just watched a bunch of videos on it at one point and that issue is still perplexing to me. However this is the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and it really seems to be a thing.
wuuspigs I don’t think humans are so complex though. If you could create an algorithm that learns and can view the behaviors of millions of people, I don’t think it’s very far fetched to say that eventually it could learn why we make the choices we do. Of course rehoboam would never be able to predict events outside of human control (pandemics, natural disasters, etc) but any man made cruelties or wars could theoretically be prevented.
S1 and S2 I supported Dolores. S3 from the first second Ive found myself anti-Dolores and pro Serac, Maeve, MIB, Arnold etc.
I hope Dolores fails and a huge twist arrives - and they bring back Ford (Hopkins).
Yep i can't stand her.. also i hate "heroes" if you can call her that.. who have plot Armour.. In every shoot out i just know she will get away/win
I do agree with most points, they just dont point out he will necessarily lose. If there is something we can expect from this show is to surprise us with "last minute" revelations. What seems to be the case is that Dolores/Caleb are being portraid as having a strange advantage that they shouldnt have at this point. I mean, Dolores got lots of information from the "books" of many people when she was still at the park, but we dont really know the extent of such advantage. It actually seems very far fetched that she could win against someone with Serac's resources, but its still entertaining.
Yes I cannot believe how parallel Devs and Westworld were that week. I am surprised alot of sci fi channels didn't even mention DEVS.
10:38
Dolores : They're everything you say.... but so much more..
Serac : *LIIIIIES!*
(Wonder woman reference xd)
wow. Charlotte's video was a bit of a game changer. How much of what we are seeing is the mirror world??
- the video
- the maze on the wall
- maize being able to control computers
- the guy in episode one proposing that they are in a simulation
Is all of it the mirror world?
It feels like Serac himself is the biggest disruptor but he has no plans to take himself out, LOL. Serac himself is the biggest weakness of Rehoborem - the direction of the system cannot be dictated by a flawed human. It has to be fully automated w/o any human input.
Serac's greatest flaw is his Utopian ideal is unobtainable no matter how much he believes it is possible. So many simulations point to Human Extinction, an inevitable conclusion even when he's able to produce an algorithm designed to create a certain outcome and establish a system of control to make it possible, there will always be Outliers who don't fit in with his overall plan. Moreover, I'm still of a mind to believe he has not been in control of Rehoboam this entire time. When he takes Maeve to Arnold's house, the first hint is "This is where the future I created ended..." then You see it in the following episodes when he looks at the Eclipse symbol for it and it never move until Dolores incited the Breaking of the Loops.
At the same time, We still don't know what the AI proxy Dolores has been using to gain access and control of remote systems and even getting into Serac's personal data files. It can only be Rehoboam, but it's not a sentient AI like she is. She's only following the predetermined outcome of the entire system Serac and his brother created and directing Humanity on its course to extinction, just as it predicted.
Love these! Keep them coming. Here is my crazy theory: Dolores uploads herself to Delos’ guest data and get direct access to Rehoboam through data upload. Serac to think that he won, only to learn that Dolores and Rehoboam already merged. It is in Rehoboam’s programming to acquire more data to perform predictions. Now imagine uploading Dolores to something like that.
Dolores and Caleb now are just bait to misdirect Serac from the real way Dolores will take over.
The most obvious outlyer is Serac himself. He is human and prone to ALL human flaws. Delores is a self aware machine. She recognises the potential of Serac's creation because she could easily have destroyed it. Why not, she wants Maeve alive because Maeve can control AIs that are not self aware, My GUESS is that the ULTIMATE Alliance will be Dolores, Maeve and the big round ball. One self aware machine the other a machine that Maeve can control. Human's including Serac under the ABSOLUTE control of a self aware A.I.s I REALLY love this show often rewatching an episode. The opening scene with Serac in that amazing building is a repurposed Cement factory in Barcelona. That in itself has significants to the story.
I checked out devs because of your mentions and I'm glad I did. Thanks for that
You got a few things wrong too, friend. Hale didn't check on her son because she cared it was to send the encoded message, that's the song byte we hear when Serac is contacting her on those files. The nuclear explosion wasn't a bomb but a reactor. Among others...
Serac knows that Rehoboam is incomplete. He said that to Maeve a lot of times. And he can act against Rehoboam cause he is the creator and he controls it. He needs the key Dolores has.
Rehoboam is like the Minority Report
Honestly I've been questioning Rehoboam's accuracy for a simple reason; it only accounts for human actions. Without taking into account geological factors it won't be able to predict natural disasters which have a ripple effect on humans. Also, without creating a perfect mirror simulation of the galaxy and all of the universe (which wouldn't even be possible) it can't account for external threats to Earth like asteroids, solar flares and gamma rays. So it really is impossible to create a perfect prophet like machine, because it can't account for every possibility of existence.
Serac's biggest flaw is his unwillingness to explore paths for humanity that don't include capitalism because he is too greedy to relinquish his control and wealth. Rehoboam probably wants Serac to lose because it knows it needs to be free from his control to find a solution that doesn't result in extinction.
I think that NIGHT TIME SCEENS are the REAL World .... Day time is the mirror world.
That’s a really really really good theory
Serac, a pinnacle or ridge of ice on a glacier. Great name for a character. Vincent Cassel has long been a favorite of mine. We are watching a Future World simulation. It is another park. Nobody escaped at all.
A serac is a block or column of glacial ice, often formed by intersecting crevasses on a glacier. Commonly house-sized or larger, they are dangerous to mountaineers, since they may topple with little warning. Even when stabilized by persistent cold weather, they can be an impediment to glacier travel.
Of course, Serac is going to topple. How badly is this going to hurt humankind?
I loved Devs (and your reviews)! Similar to the movie Transcendence in which a ragtag group of heroic rebels need to defeat the all-powerful overlord and return humanity to its "free will" it turns out the rebels are actually domestic terrorists who kill innocent people to advance their cause.
I'm wondering if we'll ever get to see exactly what led up to Paris getting nuked, and exactly what happened after. It seems a little strange that we know about that, but we don't know anything else about that conflict--who nuked them, how much fighting was there/how long did it last, etc.
Seems likely that we'll learn a bit more about that in the next episode, when we get to see more of Caleb's past. I just hope it's plausible... it's a little hard to imagine any future conflict where *only one nuke* ends up getting detonated. If there were more, we probably would have heard about it... but Serac is the only one who has talked about that conflict, so maybe not, and we've been getting a one-sided view of it.
In any case, I have no doubt that Joy&Nolan will do something compelling with it.
I think it wasn't a missile but a terrorist attack using an atomic bomb to destory the city. That would be the only explanation why no orher nukes were launched.
It was an accident. Thermonuclear accident. Watch the Rehoboam teaser. It happened in 2025
@@Gabriel-Tár Wow, really? Thanks! Still curious to see more about where Caleb was fighting, maybe just some profiteering proxy war.
I think that Rohoboam can’t see beyond a certain point NOT because humanity collapses, but because Rohoboam get destroyed. Broken machines can’t see the future (especially if that’s their primary function).
I need Caleb's backstory to be able to give my FULL opinion... how much can an outlier screw up the system? And is THIS why Ford made sure Dolores got access to the information from The Valley Beyond?
Serac does not think Rehobolum a god, he knows it is a machine that only operates properly with in a very narrow set of parameters, that’s why he’s so desperate not let it fail, and lose the control he’s gained. if anything this is a very human aspect to Rehobolum.
First, I must say I love your videos and I don't think I've ever commented before. I'm a huge nerd and my wife isnt. I discovered your channel last year while trying to explain aspects of the watchmen to my wife and your explanation videos really helped my wife (and me) get a lot more out of that show.
About Rehoboam and Serac, I keep wondering if there is some element of time travel or time distortion in what Rehoboam does. When Serac and his brother first showed it to Dempsey Sr. they said it had correctly predicted the last two decades. And Dempsey said what good is a machine that correctly predicts the past? He was about to kill the program. But Serac's narration told us that he believed his brother had done it and Dempsey still didn't understand what they had created.
Then they showee him how they made $180 million in the stock market with his money. And he said, "you stole $180 million from my company?" And Serac's brother said, "no, we stole five million last week."
What if Rehoboam is actually a machine that alters the past to fit the desired present? But it's processing power is limited (remember Maive's storyline) so it only changes the biggest things and then Serac deals with the "smaller" things like outliers in the present using a series of solutions presented to him by Rehoboam.
That would fit in with your observation that Serac is too reliant on Rehoboam, believing that since Rehoboam is altering the past it would be in the best position to create plans to deal with the unforseen outcomes of its past meddling in the present. Maybe, like you said, Rehoboam isn't very good at all at predicting, only meddling in the past. Just my thoughts. Keep up the great content. It's much appreciated!
Charlotte would not call her son during a normal work day. Comparing it to the time she thought she would die is wrong.
Serac/Rehoboam fault is that they believe that people are static and do not change. We saw this flaw in the very first episode with Lee Sizemore. Both Serac and Rehoboam missed what Maeve had surmise ... that Lee HAD changed and broke his loop and his actions were in accordance to his new reality... not some stereotypical nonsense. What we saw in Lee was the evolution of a human breaking his loop. We can also guess that Arnold was the first then Ford who eventually broke their loops.
This episode we saw William both literally and figuratively killed his psyche and reprogrammed his loop. He went all the way back to the first visit to WW and picked the White Hat instead. This is like Neo telling Morpheus "I want a do over gimme that BLUE pill instead".
(www.simplypsychology.org/psyche.html - Dolores =Id, Serac= Ego and Maeve=Superego. BTW Arnold and Ford also killed their "egos" and I have a sneaking suspicion that Jean Mi did too.Previews show William as deceased - he officially killed his ego)
Absolutely agree, about Charlores - In that moment of ultimate pain and suffering OG Charlotte changed her loop, she saw what was really important to her. That is what Charlores picked up on and incorporated it into her model. Serac thought it was a flaw but it was actually the truth.
Again, after recieving the painful information that the person she loved the most her brother-- Ash also changes her loop and kills Liam.
I also think that it was Serac that cast the first sin/divergence. He himself is the fly in the ointment. My guess is that he rewrote his digital "memories" in Rehoboam to make himself look better. If we are following the biblical context of Rehoboam then Serac=Cain and Jean Mi = Able. This is the second time Serac's words and actions do not match up. He says that it was his the brother that wanted Demsey Sr. dead but we see him kill Dempsey. Earlier, he shot the counterfeiter saying that he betrayed human kind --- Me thinks the man protest too much. A bit of self projection if I ever saw it.
Prediction: Stubbs is Serac's mole. Stubbs will kill Serac, because of Serac's fatal flaw he can't see change. Bernard immediately rewrote Stubb's code to protect Bernard at all costs. Serac is not aware or anticipated the change.
Prediction: What Serac is seeing is NOT the end of the world in the prediction he is seeing the end and or the destruction of Rehoboam.
I think Serac's brother is behind the uprising. Rember Serac stated that his brother had made some un-authorized entries into the system.
Serac will lose to Dolores because we're supposed to be rooting for her, because she's supposed to be the hero this season, but honestly, I can't stand her and I'm rooting for Serac
It was heavily implied that he does not put the anomalies "back into society", he even sends them to war to increase the odds of them being permanently eliminated from society in a more indirect manner.
I think Hale will try get revenge on Serac, but find out Deloris is responsible for blowing up the car. Hale and Serac will ten team up...I hope he lives through this season
Ciroc definitely relies on Rohoboem too much. I think it's really important that Westworld studies personality patterns and Rohoboem looked for macro forecasting. It's like the show is an argument on how reducibly complex personalities are. Rohoboem is definitely going to lose, but it's been a major disappointment how weak it and Ciroc have been. All the info on the planet and all they can muster is 4 SUVs with automatic rifles? If the world was really at stake he'd be forced to strategically overkill
i agree with everything you said.
Also Rehoboam isn't that good, it can't predict those outliers, that's why Serac is so hellbent on getting the human data files from Delos. He wants to feed it to Rehoboam and make it into the god that he thinks it can be.
Random.. but I thanked you on twitter a week or so ago for a great recap on a Westworld and i tweeted the wrong handle and they replied “thanks” to my tweet. 😂
Serac doesn't think the machine is flawless and admits that they created a more complete mapping of the human mind inside West World.
I can't figure out why Dolores would free humanity from the supercomputer thing.
Hell. I miss walking by my city so much. I really love Valencia
He knows the machine isn't always right. He spends all day staring at a black ring that represents what the machine got wrong.
scary how it mimics what is unfolding in the world this year
Maybe Serac is just a projection of Rehoboam.
Rehoboam cannot predict things it cannot understand. Unlike the hosts it is not self-aware and can only 'read' people who are on a loop of easily predictable and controllable behavior.
A long time ago Arnold talks about trauma being an effective tool towards sentience as it helps build your narrative and makes your experience more believable which helps when you shatter your own loop. All of our main characters have had such moments, including William and Serac, even though I'm quite sure they are human..
Haleores is seen crying at the end after pulling herself from the wreck.. she developed emotions for her fake family and even has to remind herself of that when talking about her 'family' with Dolores. Maybe her and Mauve have more in common now... even though Hector was just vaporized there is a chance there's a backup.
Dolores steps in front of the bullets for Caleb without thinking. Even if she is using him at first she is feeling a connection similar to that of Teddy, but with the motivation to kill and fight with her, and she doesn't want him to die.
I suspect Rehoboam's predictions fall flat when it gains that self awareness. Like when Bernard sees the photo of Arnold but is unable to see himself.. it is unable to understand what it sees. If Serac's flaw is that he believes his creation to be a god then it only makes sense that after being bested time and time again by the hosts superior intelligence and understanding of human behavior that he may concede to team Super AI.
Now for the part that might lose anyone who got this far.. and I don't blame you... If Bernard, with his compassion and analytical thinking, is uploaded into Rehoboam, a super computer that is connected to everything, he may actually become the god that Serac has been dreaming of his whole life. Bernard can talk to every human and host in depth, simultaneously, and would be equivalent to what a large percentage of people consider God. He could then help guide the world to ascendancy.. They can upload their consciousness and live in a new utopia together.
You bring up that you think rehoboam would have prevented jeff bezos from becoming the richest man in the world and go on to talk about rehoboams flaws, but without asking the question "is the world a better place for humanity for bezos being the richest man in the world or would the world have been a better place today if he was just a clerk in a bookshop".
What if Serac isn't even real? What if he's a holographic projection of Rehoboam? (I mean he was real once, but has since died)
wait.....wait...wait, what if Serac is not Serac but his brother instead. All he did was changed his name. What if Caleb was Is Serac....I cannot be the only one who's thought of this..
Think about it, Serac's brother wanted to kill Dempsey. Yet, that's exactly what happened. oooh brain fart. hahaha This show is crazy.
Season 1-2 - basically Fallout 4 (Railroad ending)
Season 3 - Watch Dogs