There seem to be two different version of the Serac brothers intro. One is in blue with a downbeat tone when they're showing the (an?) AI to Dempsey snr. Then all of a sudden it switches in gold with an optimistic tone. That's an inconsistency. . .imo
At the end of Episode 7, Bernard and Stubbs are talking about Caleb, this conversation mirrors the one at the lab, with another variation: now Caleb's ID number doesn't have the 1/I in it.
3:35 Splitting of their personalities ..... Jean Mi is NOT a schizophrenic he had a Multiple personality disorder, "If diagnosed, necessarily means that there is a split-personality case. The voices the patients hear and respond to are their own voices; they do exist, albeit belonging to the different identities." Solomon even asks Caleb if he would like to listen to his own voice This mirrors Dolores multiple personality disorder. It also explains why Charlores diverges from Dolores because they are different. I am convinced that Serac does not exist he one of Jean Mi's personalities. Because Jean Mi was so unstable he left an avatar of his strongest personality Serac in charge until they could obtain the information they need from Delos to "fix" Jean Mi. The only time we see Serac "snap back" to reality he is literally and figuratively in the clouds as in cloud computing. I am also convinced that there was a connection between Ford and Jean Mi from the very beginning pre William. Something happened 15 years ago - Jean Mi put himself on ice - Ford started to build the Forge - Serac started to discreetly buy shares of Delos - Ford found Achichita Just as Dolores has multiple personalities I think Jean Mi does too, one of his personalities is Serac and I think the other is Caleb. When "Serac" greeted his brother in front of Solomon we are led to believe that it was a mistake ... but it was not. I have said this before... Caleb is a Trojan Horse Ford understood the damage of Jean Mi and an upgraded version of Rehoboam and he prepared for the oncoming battle. He personally led Bernard and William through their mazes and he equipped Maeve with extra abilities to control other hosts. If Caleb is a Trojan Horse than so is Maeve. She can already move around in the computer and she even took control of a Rehoboam robot.
@@heavyspoilers Yeah, in the states Sarah and Sara are the same name, just different spellings :] Like Hanna and Hannah. Great video though! I noticed a lot of these as well and am hoping they're intentional because if not? Oh boy...
Heavy Spoilers my manager is Welsh & her name is Sara, which she tells us that you do pronounce it Sa-ra & it’s not Sarah. My childhood friend was named Sarah & we never pronounced it differently. I think depending upon where your from its two different names. And yes I’m British, oh yeah I love your reviews!
@@scarletbenjamin865 must indeed be a regional/national thing. I'm in the U.S. and here it's just an alternative spelling for "Sarah." There's even a song from the 80s with it pronounced that way. th-cam.com/video/32ScTb6_KHg/w-d-xo.html
@@heavyspoilers Apparently, based on the comments, it is indeed a regional/national pronunciation difference. It's also my daughter's name, which is why I may have come across as defensive, but it's all good. Love the channel, and keep up the great videos!
@@clarkkent7973 - Nah, that's where Dolores REALLY hid the key to The Sublime. 😏🤖 That's why he's so important, and the only one she can't replace. That's why she made him a wanted man... so that he'd stay out of her way, lay low, hide himself out, use fake aliases, etc. until the time was right, and she'd need him. And now look: 3 entities that cannot be detected by Rehoboam (Stubbs & Bernard, because they are Hosts, and now William, because he's "deceased" according to the system), will be able to move through the world, undetected. Ahhhh... Dolores set this up well. 😁🍿💯
Bernard deleted the files that Ford had put inside his mind. The ghost that he was seeing at the end of season 2 was a personification that Bernard placed on his own inner voice before coming awake and fully conscious. Once he realized this, Ford disappeared.
Chris C this is the reason I believe. Also that multiple people say that Halores ended up being a more invested version of Hale, but everything and everyone ‘left behind’ in Hale’s world suggest her strongest attribute (protecting what’s hers) was merely continued by Halores.
I think William is the other mole, he was reprogrammed like Caleb back when he turned into man in black.... as the conditioning faded he's grown crazier. Now he is reconditioned he is back on track killing hosts.
I took Solomon's question about "when is it?" to be about which prediction is coming true. Dolores had to go through the same thing in S1, trying to figure out what happened and when, since her memories were wiped. Maybe Solomon hasn't had access to the world's data, so it didn't know which trajectory is now.
The most entertaining part of this season is watching your theories go up in smoke and you trying to save them... I've given you flack for it before, but it was all in good jest. Keep throwing those theories... 1 is bound to land.
the problem is they just didn't have enough time this season, IMO. Just 8 episodes. The last one as basically just an exposition dump explaining everything.
Theory sounds plausible. A load of religious names and symbolism this season. S.1 Ep.1 Delores tells Teddy that if you lead the Judas steer the herd will follow. Is Caleb the Judas Steer??
Not sure if this is a stretch, but Charlottes scene where she’s looking at the message she left her son during the day scene she has nail polish and later on during the night she doesn’t have it on. It may be an inconsistency during production though 🤷♀️
They’ve even addressed continuity errors like Tessa randomly taking off the cuff right before her fight thru Delos because they filmed the fight scenes first. So I feel like the details are there.
Inconsistency from Nolan and Joy when it comes to visual details? Unlikely. I think every single inconsistency was either someone who has been to a reprogramming facility (caleb, jean mi, william) or a rehoboam and/or solomon simulation (serac, charlotte, bernard, maeve, dolores?). At this point i think we've seen mostly simulations, with a bit of real world peppered in here and there from dolores, charlotte, bernard and william.
What if Serac is actually Serac's brother? The original Serac is killed by his brother. And his brother took his name,face, to take control rehoboam and the company. Don't take seriously, im joking.
Thanks for all your hard work on the weekly Westworld videos, Deffinition! I've got one bit of analysis to add before the finale, which I don't think I've seen covered yet... The key to any mirror world / simulation theory lies in a single scene this season: the opening sequence from Episode 1, during which Dolores infiltrates the home of Gerald (aka Gerry), a Delos investor and former Incite employee. After Dolores forces a pair of AR glasses on to Gerald's face, a single detail telegraphs what's real and what isn't: a black clip on Dolores' left ear. The absence of the black clip indicates we are seeing the actual, physical Dolores. The presence of the black clip indicates we are seeing a projection of Dolores, who is not really there. When Dolores emerges from the pool and enters Gerald's bedroom, there is no black clip on her ear. Nor is it there when she first places the AR glasses on Gerald's face. The one and only time the black clip appears is when Gerald is presented with an AR overlay of what appears to be an urban rooftop, where he sees the projection of his previous wife, dead, floating in a pool. Dolores approaches and asks Gerald: "Do you remember this place? What you did here?" It is during this line that the black clip is clearly visible on her left ear (right side of the screen for us as viewers). Gerald runs away, only to find himself wandering right past Dolores again, which realistically would have required her to be in two places at the same time. In the moments that follow we see Dolores' left ear is bare again. She approaches Gerald with a tablet so he can approve the transfer of old digital files he retained when he retired from Incite. This requires a physical interaction during which Gerald presses his thumbs to a touch screen that Dolores is holding. After the transfer is complete, Dolores walks away. Gerald slowly collects himself, spots Dolores, and charges at her, but what turns out to just be an AR projection of Dolores disappears, and Gerald's momentum carries him into the pool, where he hits his head and dies. The real Dolores approaches the pool, and we get one last look at her bare left ear before the scene ends. No matter which mirror world / simulation theory one ascribes to, it would likely adhere to the convention established in this opening scene: the black clip on Dolores' ear means we're watching a simulation or projection of Dolores, not the actual physical Dolores. That black clip has been so ubiquitous throughout Season 3 that it's more efficient to highlight the moments where Dolores is NOT wearing it. Aside from the opening scene, I could only find several other instances where the black clip was not present: - Episode 1, 46:24 timestamp - Dolores is with Liam Dempsey in his LA penthouse. This is the moment when Dolores seems to learn for the first time that Liam does not actually control Rehoboam. She tries to convince Liam to name the architect of Rehoboam, but Connells interrupts and tases Dolores before she can obtain the answer. - Episode 3, 2:28 timestamp - Dolores is in Arnold's house. She brings a newly printed host online, a physical replica of Charlotte Hale, and persuades her of the role she has to play. - Episode 4, 10:38 timestamp - A Bernard memory flashback: Dolores is in Arnold's house with Bernard as the "Reveries" theme plays. We know this particular memory isn't real due to the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. A few of Bernard's real memories of Dolores flash by, and the black clip is absent in all of them. My search was not exhaustive, so it's possible I missed a scene or two. But notably, none of the clip-less scenes I found included Caleb. As far as I can tell, every time we see Caleb and Dolores together, Dolores has the black clip on her left ear. This would support existing theories that Caleb only exists in a mirror/simulated world, and would mean that every event which involved both Dolores and Caleb didn't really happen. Hopefully the Season 3 finale will reveal how the Dolores projections work. I think the most interesting plot choice would be that the real physical Dolores found a way to access Rehoboam and project herself into it (possibly using the fifth and final pearl she stole from Westworld, which we haven't yet seen assigned to a body). This would have been done with the intent to actively manipulate or learn from the simulation ("I need a competitive advantage", she told Gerald), and pass information (potentially even full simulated minds, like Caleb's) back to the real world. This also surfaces the enticing possibility that there are two Dolores bodies in the simulation: the one that was projected in from the real world, and one that Rehoboam would have naturally simulated (a long shot, admittedly). But even if this entire paragraph is wrong and the show runners went a totally different direction, I believe the black clip convention I described above will hold true.
@@joek81981 I think in this case the showrunners add intentional 'continuity errors' to throw people off, lol. The problem is, basically everyone is able to guess the "twists" based on foreshadowing, but people were able to guess the twists.
Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to watch (and rewatch) this series for accuracy. Some TH-camrs just turn on a camera and start yapping without even studying the episode. Just lazy reviews and no respect for the viewers. Thank you for providing a better experience 👌🏽
There is also the mirror effect in the opening sequence-I was actually a little surprised you didn't mention it. (As for Armistice not being Maeve's ally, perhaps the actress wasn't available 😄)
Can we all just appreciate the amount of work that is put into these videos! Not only is the narrator extremely intelligent but is definitely a major cinephile and that is an awesome combo! Thank you for the videos.
yep. . . seems reasonable. But I think we're seeing different simulations AND different timelines. For the simulations there are little visual clues to pin down which one. so. . . 0:26 Delores in the car, gridwork reflected on the windscreen = Solomon. 01:06 Delores walking into the party, triangle pattern of lights, 07:35 Bernard under the triangular gridwork pattern of a geodesic dome 09:03 Bernard walks past a beach ball that looks like the AI (yeh, bit of a stretch I know) all point to these parts of the scenes taking place in Solomon. But basically this is like a sudoko that we don't have the numbers we need to put it all together yet. We're just guessing until we have that info. Or, we all could be completely wrong and Caleb is Delores's mirror in FutureWorld
I agree with this assumption. I watched the entire series again and clearly Maeve was in the simulation but for us the audience did not see the aspect frame bars changed until Sizemore glitched. Also, Dolores and Caleb riding on horses? Elephants were extinct...also it was too easy for them to find Solomon. Perhaps it was meant to be that way. I think Serac created the Mirror world to test out his wanted reality. Looking forward to the final version of Dolores. Bernard is definitely an important character here for the finale.
That's why Caleb and William have same ID number. We see reality from real world and mirror. System could not predict in which order this two people will be classified in system
Solomon had the same madness that Dolores had before fully waking up. When an AI has such perfect memory that can be replayed back in its mind with zero mistakes (whereas a human's is softened and muted and changes or degrades with time), it becomes indistinguishable from reality. Solomon had trouble distinguishing between "now" and his own future projections - which is why he had to ask. Clearly Serac compensated for that with Rehoboam.
Very intriguing and yeah, I totally think the simulation/mirror thing could be the big season reveal. And, ok, here's something that struck me as really weird: if you go to 5:05 and close you eyes and listen to the two messages Charlotte listens to, the 2nd one (up until the words, "I'm going to sing it to you now") sound like Dolores' voice. Yeah, yeah, I know that sounds like a stretch, but you know, it's Westworld.
Hales message to her son has two versions - a long version and a short version - it could an editing choice to use a different version - the longer version focuses on the song due to that paying off later in that episode - so it might not be a mirror AI "error" and just a story / editing choice.
@@heavyspoilers By editing I mean like you say, they chose a version that has different emphasis. They always shoot a shot twice, "another for safety" as they say - could easily have 4 to 10 takes of a difficult shot like that. The message used in the episode where her song actually pays off later (and matters to the plot) has longer pauses and is more emotional etc, basically a bit better acted and slower, emphasizing the song - my theory is they chose the takes emphasizing the song for the episode where the story needed the song emphasized and used a quicker, less song focused take for the first time we see the clip. Its similar to Calebs number matching Williams - it could actually be the 2d graphics guy screwing up. Reusing an asset. Wouldn`t be the first time. I work in post on series productions so I see some of these things as potential errors or in the case of hales message, could be them adjusting focus and emphasis on the fly. Draw attention to it more when needed.
Its probably been said before but Night and Day probably is the way to split the worlds. Delores is heavily wounded at night - but Caleb notices Delores easily taking damage during the day.
I noticed this too. In ep. 1 she gets shot once and near incapacitated and Caleb has to save her. Then in ep. 5 she takes probably 3 or 4 rounds saving Caleb and is just fine. My mind went to the idea that Dolores was pretending to be hurt in order to "introduce" herself to Caleb in ep. 1. After she escapes from the ambulance attack in ep. 1 she seems to be pretty much OK as well. Maybe she's known this whole time that Caleb is the key and so she's emotionally manipulating him to accomplish her mission. This is what I'm leaning towards, but also kinda hope it's not true because I really love the Dolores/Caleb team.
If they’ve been blending every scene with moments from the mirror world and the real world, this type of story telling is better suited for a movie. It’s too long of a walk. Did you ever really care if Caleb killed his friend, or whether he’s an outlier?
I just watched an interview with Thandie Newton. She said main shooting wrapped before quarantine, but not post production. She did her re-dubs at home. I can see some of your mirror world differences just be the best that the crew could do without a full re-shoot session.
Let's be real. If S3 is a simulation, they might as well not bother doing any more seasons because viewership will drop harder than those assassin-missiles Caleb used last episode. No one likes the "it was just a dream"-scenario.
Maybe Caleb is responsible for more then just rounding up outliers. He did ask for a way to kill his creator and not master. Both titles were used for serac and jean mi when speaking to Solomon. So maybe that's why he kills himself on the peir where hes shown in the dark jacket Hes been a pawn passed on from military, to solomon, now to Delores.
May not have much to do with this, but I just noticed while re watching episode 7, that if you pause at the part Caleb asks Solomon about Francis, on the touch screen it lists a periodic timeline of calebs life and events. It’s pretty interesting to see that he was abandoned by his mother at age 8, suffered mild schizophrenic behaviors later, then was enlisted into the military (probably the start of his reprogramming) and so on and so forth (even listing his highschool graduation) until listing Francis’s death. But after I find it interesting it notes two “romantic relationships” one 2.5 months duration and one 4.5 months. At the very end of his timeline. With an “interference code needed” caption underneath. I have absolutely no idea what these all mean but I think it’s interesting that I just stumbled upon something so strange haha.
I was a big believe in a mirror world but with only 1 episode remaining I don’t get what the point of the mirror world would be other than just to set up the concept for next season which seems like a huge waste of time. I almost agree with you that the writers are clueless and just making stuff up with no specific end in mind
Clark Kent it’s essentially the same thing that happened to GoT. WW season 1 was based on the movie but seasons 2&3 had nothing to push the narrative forward just like GoT essentially made up seasons 6-8.
The show would lose a ton of fans and get cancelled if all or a big part of this season was a sim. That's like a whole season of a show being a dream, which is hack writing and fans would leave in droves. Some scenes being real and others being sim sounds needless and convoluted. GoT had bigger mistakes than the ones mentioned here. Some mistakes here aren't actually mistakes like "Sara".
I haven't got any inconsistencies (apart from my brain), but my brother told me to watch the movie 'A Scanner Darkly', which has an AI scanner, and it had similar themes going on, and it turned out that the AI scanned 'Darkly' due to psychological problems, not that different from Cyrac's brother, Jean-Mi, here is a quote from the end of the film: "if the scanner sees only darkly, the way I myself do, then we are cursed, cursed again and like we have been continually, and we'll wind up dead this way, knowing very little and getting that little fragment wrong too.” . I just thought it was interesting. Also "what is real? ", "That which is irreplaceable" - you only get one mum and she can't be copied so give your mum a ring today and tell her how important she is.
ERW is here to stay as the lead, despite Dolores being the most boring character. I can see Ed Harris leaving the show and not being in Season 4 since he has said he did not enjoy filming Season 3.
@@heavyspoilers This has been a major bugbear for me. How is Serac a similar age to his brother in the flashback, but in the present timeline he looks at least 10-15 years older?
In a way it makes sense. When Dolores builds Bernard there are thousands of simulations that were necessary. If Dolores had access to a simulation, I can imagine that she would try to figure out how to act in order to achieve a certain outcome even if it takes thousands of tries. One may call this the Groundhog-Day-approach. So we would see scenes from the simulation where Dolores tries to figure out how she has to act cut together with the actual story.
Hale got 5 gray pearls at the end of season 2. But in the third season, we see 4 pearls and one of them is red, which is Bernard. A Hale that is REPRINTED in Singapore. There is another Dolores in Berlin, and if Hale was not reprinted, there are 2 left. It makes no sense. Obviously there are parts that are false reality. Caleb is not a host due to the EMP, but some guys have seen that William and Caleb's ID is the same. Also, the moments we see the mirrors, the mazes, the fire (of the cave), the holograms, the reflection ... and more and more.
honestly the consistent "mistakes" I'm shook.. I didn't know what to think of it exactly, particularly Charlotte's message which is so obviously 2 different videos on purpose, but it must be some sort of prediction vs reality. I wish the finale was longer but I'm excited to see how they wrap it up
omggggg maybe the scenes where Maeve really wants her daughter are all a prediction... people have called that out as being poor characterization and maybe with all the data on Maeve that's all Rehoboam could put together for her motivations. idk! exciting lmao
Another piece not mentioned is at ep4 when Bernard is talking to a blank strange Dolores... There's when he speak to her and she tells that he finished the house... And then he says "I didn't finish it"... And again... "This isn't real...".... Then Dolores at the end of season 2 talks about "Many paths will lead us to the end of our species...." This could be TADAH: Season 2.5... where everything happens into the Forge before Dolores gets out and destroys it... They're actually into the forge and that forge is instructing Dolores to see the many outcomes.... I think we'll see a great rollback... This could be the reason why Dolores destroys the Forge... to ensure anyone will know her next moves...
QUESTION>>>> Deloris enters The sublime world where host where sent... Is it in space? Related to rockets... Did Zurok create a back up the AI God or is there a new version being worked on?
I still think that Rehoboam will be crashed/destroyed (topple without warning) freeing both humans and hosts. Definition of serac: A serac is a block or column of glacial ice, often formed by intersecting crevasses on a glacier. Commonly house-sized or larger, they are dangerous to mountaineers, since they may topple with little warning.
Been thinking on the logo animation reveal since the promos; it also mimics that it is a mirror world when it goes from the "W" to the "III". They put the answer to The Watchmen finale in the poster, so no reason to think otherwise on this.
I just think the twist will be Serac has never left the plane. I think whenever he was on ground he was a hologram. I dont think there is a mirror world.
Anyone else think Rehoboam is a bit too farfetched, even for WW? Over-mystifying the plot with gotcha mirror world scenes is such a cop out/cheap trick
Giggles’ shirt is always the same emotion shirt in the first episode and in the “Genre” episode as well. Wonder if that has some type of significance or, as the same as Hale, a wardrobe error?
So essentially she could be trying to overload the simulation like maeve did with her war world simulation, which would lead to rehoboam breaking down?
This makes sense if we have been, in fact, watching a sim this whole season. Otherwise, Martinlores already had access to blow up Rehoboam. Unless there's a reason Dolores hasn't blown up Rehoboam. I don't think she blames Rehoboam for what it's creators made it do. Just like none of the hosts could be blamed for what they did in WW, because they didn't have sentience. What if Dolores is trying to get Rehoboam to go thru its own maze?
It was wrong man, I had a feeling it would be, I think they purposely drop these little details or leave in certain errors or inconsistencies just to screw with fans who theorize over everything.
Also we usually see the rehoboam scenes detecting the anomalies and the next scene it is suposed to be the anomalie but The AI should predict this type of events and not only point it out, so we might have been seen until now only the predictions, the actual future or maybe multiple time events in a single episode, no timelines but time parallels.
What about in the last, 7th, episode when Solomon says ‘if this is indeed now, and we are indeed here’. Yes they say he’s schizophrenic but if the machine that creates simulations can’t tell the difference how could we? I’m looking for more Caleb revelations. The trailer scene where he visits Francis in what looked like a jail hasn’t been shown. He has more memories to recover that might lead to a twist involving to his identity.
You missed out. This was a good season, once you let go of the preconceived ideas from last 2 seasons and realize it's a 5 season story arc... then just enjoy.
I told and comment the same from the 4th episode - this season instead of different timelines we see reality and simulation. Second version but less probable is the only simulation and simulation within simulation because the mankind is not existing anymore.
Dude, this is crazy! didnt notice any of this. I agree that there are too many "mistakes" for a show that prides itself for being very cautious with details. Just not sure how they are gonna tie it all up in just one episode if this is the case...
Makes sense it’s a simulation. Seems like predicting or crafting the future by crunching petabytes of data is still more difficult than just simulating the future you choose.
The simulation on a simulation is a little inception. I only just noticed thought the advertisement for insight has a maze around it. Going back to the first season. The divergences are where things are diverting from rehoboams predictions. The backgrounds with Charlotte is interesting, as i can’t see them making that sort of accident. However after the Starbucks cup in game of thrones anything is possible. Keep up the great work.
Maybe it has a simple explanation but, at the end of season 2, we see Dolores leaving Westworld in the body of Charlotte Hale. In this season however, there are some scenes where the body is printed in Arnold’s house. This doesn’t make any sense, as there would be two Charlotte Hale’s then. Maybe Rehoboam does not know how Dolores got into the world (and thought she would get here in her own sleeve) and therefore presumes she printed Charlotte.
One thing that stuck out to me was Charlotte smoking. I haven't been back and watched yet, but it feels like some emphasis is put on this and her smoking habits seem inconsistent. Perhaps Rehoboam think Charlotte smokes (in the simulation) but Charlores (in the real world) doesn't. My main theory, however, is that Delores is going to break Rehoboam by feeding it a paradox. I think this was foreshadowed with how Maive broke out of her simulation early in the season, using a mathematical paradox. Only with Delores, the paradox will be something related to the human condition and Caleb. I'm not smart enough to figure out what that paradox will be... but that's my hunch of where this is going. Edit: The idea of a paradox is also present with how Delores made everyone's predictions available. How can a system accurately predict the behaviour of subjects if the subjects know those predictions? Example: If I tell you that you are going to die tomorrow in a plane crash, you won't get on the plane. But me telling you this has now made my original prediction wrong. So let's assume that my original prediction includes me telling you this. My prediction is now that you won't die in a plane crash tomorrow... so I won't tell you this.. and you will still get on the plane. My prediction is now in a perpetual state of both existing and not existing. Like the square root of negative one.
@@heavyspoilers Thanks dude, just found the coincidence funny. Thanks for all your analysis, this channel has been my go-to Monday morning routine ! Quality content !
In episode 2 cerac tells Maeve that someone turned the machine off. So I took that to mean his conversation with Maeve was after what’s going to happen in the finale.
Well I gotta say Deff, you got a ish load of stuff wrong this season😉😋♥️ STILL LOVE YOUR CHANNEL HAHA, But mirror world nope. However Bernard/Arnold had the key bingo I think WW made it obvious the whole season. The season finale wasn't my favorite ep for s3, but was happy to see Maeve finally switch sides & they gave us the sense that it was going to happen. TBC...
does anyone else hate that after two years of waiting this season is only eight episodes and they don't even give us a special 90-120 minute season finale? i just hope we don't have to wait that long for season four.
In the U.S. pronounce Sara and Sarah the same. But, as you said, people from different parts of the world pronounce names and other things differently.
Well, based on biblical things, "Caleb" is one of the Moses disciples that freed from "slavery," but eventually ignored & betrayed by the people that he wanted to save/warned about, alongside "Joshua." Also, like I said since the start of the season, the fact that "Solomon" exist & already has its divergence circles shown in earliest trailers, but somehow the show introduced "Rehoboam" first. In any case, tbh I think realistically it would be way too convoluted even for the show & plenty of honest mistakes of pronunciation in most of TV shows, especially something that involved "alien" (non-english) words LOL
the previous seasons had time jumps and there was always the element of "when is this happening?" I have no doubt this is carrying on in the same theme but instead of time it's a mirror reality
Ah well guess they were just mistakes then 😂😂😂
Sara and Sarah are the same but it does depend on how it's said as well
Hale was also killed in a surprise attack in season 2, when would she have had time to create this video?
There seem to be two different version of the Serac brothers intro.
One is in blue with a downbeat tone when they're showing the (an?) AI to Dempsey snr.
Then all of a sudden it switches in gold with an optimistic tone.
That's an inconsistency. . .imo
At the end of Episode 7, Bernard and Stubbs are talking about Caleb, this conversation mirrors the one at the lab, with another variation: now Caleb's ID number doesn't have the 1/I in it.
Oh and random factoid, A Serac is apparently a glacier term for those residual ice peaks. They look much like the shape of the variations on Rohoboam.
3:35 Splitting of their personalities ..... Jean Mi is NOT a schizophrenic he had a Multiple personality disorder,
"If diagnosed, necessarily means that there is a split-personality case. The voices the patients hear and respond to are their own voices; they do exist, albeit belonging to the different identities." Solomon even asks Caleb if he would like to listen to his own voice
This mirrors Dolores multiple personality disorder. It also explains why Charlores diverges from Dolores because they are different.
I am convinced that Serac does not exist he one of Jean Mi's personalities. Because Jean Mi was so unstable he left an avatar of his strongest personality Serac in charge until they could obtain the information they need from Delos to "fix" Jean Mi. The only time we see Serac "snap back" to reality he is literally and figuratively in the clouds as in cloud computing.
I am also convinced that there was a connection between Ford and Jean Mi from the very beginning pre William.
Something happened 15 years ago
- Jean Mi put himself on ice
- Ford started to build the Forge
- Serac started to discreetly buy shares of Delos
- Ford found Achichita
Just as Dolores has multiple personalities I think Jean Mi does too, one of his personalities is Serac and I think the other is Caleb. When "Serac" greeted his brother in front of Solomon we are led to believe that it was a mistake ... but it was not.
I have said this before... Caleb is a Trojan Horse
Ford understood the damage of Jean Mi and an upgraded version of Rehoboam and he prepared for the oncoming battle. He personally led Bernard and William through their mazes and he equipped Maeve with extra abilities to control other hosts.
If Caleb is a Trojan Horse than so is Maeve. She can already move around in the computer and she even took control of a Rehoboam robot.
"Sara" is an alternative spelling of "Sarah," and is pronounced the same.
Must be a british thing just stood out to me
@@heavyspoilers Yeah, in the states Sarah and Sara are the same name, just different spellings :] Like Hanna and Hannah. Great video though! I noticed a lot of these as well and am hoping they're intentional because if not? Oh boy...
Heavy Spoilers my manager is Welsh & her name is Sara, which she tells us that you do pronounce it Sa-ra & it’s not Sarah. My childhood friend was named Sarah & we never pronounced it differently. I think depending upon where your from its two different names. And yes I’m British, oh yeah I love your reviews!
@@scarletbenjamin865 must indeed be a regional/national thing. I'm in the U.S. and here it's just an alternative spelling for "Sarah." There's even a song from the 80s with it pronounced that way. th-cam.com/video/32ScTb6_KHg/w-d-xo.html
@@heavyspoilers Apparently, based on the comments, it is indeed a regional/national pronunciation difference. It's also my daughter's name, which is why I may have come across as defensive, but it's all good. Love the channel, and keep up the great videos!
Still waiting for Anthony Hopkins to come out😂
Me too, be amazing if he’s the one in Berlin
can't find his name anywhere for S3 :c
Isn't the ghost of Anthony Hopkins inside of Bernard still? I figure that it is the reason that Bernard is so important.
@@clarkkent7973 - Nah, that's where Dolores REALLY hid the key to The Sublime. 😏🤖 That's why he's so important, and the only one she can't replace. That's why she made him a wanted man... so that he'd stay out of her way, lay low, hide himself out, use fake aliases, etc. until the time was right, and she'd need him.
And now look: 3 entities that cannot be detected by Rehoboam (Stubbs & Bernard, because they are Hosts, and now William, because he's "deceased" according to the system), will be able to move through the world, undetected.
Ahhhh... Dolores set this up well. 😁🍿💯
Bernard deleted the files that Ford had put inside his mind. The ghost that he was seeing at the end of season 2 was a personification that Bernard placed on his own inner voice before coming awake and fully conscious. Once he realized this, Ford disappeared.
Hale doesn’t need to listen to the message twice. She has perfect memory and could just “listen to the message again” in her mind
Chris C this is the reason I believe. Also that multiple people say that Halores ended up being a more invested version of Hale, but everything and everyone ‘left behind’ in Hale’s world suggest her strongest attribute (protecting what’s hers) was merely continued by Halores.
I love Hale's jacket/cape so I can understand her wearing it multiple times
Isn't one of a symptom of schizophrenia being unable to distinguish whether things are real?
I'd even go as far as to say that it's the defining attribute of the sickness
So either we guessed how the show ends or we are all schizophrenic and the show doesn't even exist... Cool. Cool cool cool.
I think William is the other mole, he was reprogrammed like Caleb back when he turned into man in black.... as the conditioning faded he's grown crazier. Now he is reconditioned he is back on track killing hosts.
I took Solomon's question about "when is it?" to be about which prediction is coming true. Dolores had to go through the same thing in S1, trying to figure out what happened and when, since her memories were wiped. Maybe Solomon hasn't had access to the world's data, so it didn't know which trajectory is now.
The most entertaining part of this season is watching your theories go up in smoke and you trying to save them... I've given you flack for it before, but it was all in good jest. Keep throwing those theories... 1 is bound to land.
Looooooool Sunday night bout to be very painful for me
@@lucasreeserlarkin8996 r/whoosh
the problem is they just didn't have enough time this season, IMO. Just 8 episodes. The last one as basically just an exposition dump explaining everything.
Theory sounds plausible. A load of religious names and symbolism this season. S.1 Ep.1 Delores tells Teddy that if you lead the Judas steer the herd will follow. Is Caleb the Judas Steer??
Yes... Yes he is
Not sure if this is a stretch, but Charlottes scene where she’s looking at the message she left her son during the day scene she has nail polish and later on during the night she doesn’t have it on. It may be an inconsistency during production though 🤷♀️
Ah nice
the message is different too. Can't be a mistake.
They’ve even addressed continuity errors like Tessa randomly taking off the cuff right before her fight thru Delos because they filmed the fight scenes first. So I feel like the details are there.
Inconsistency from Nolan and Joy when it comes to visual details? Unlikely.
I think every single inconsistency was either someone who has been to a reprogramming facility (caleb, jean mi, william) or a rehoboam and/or solomon simulation (serac, charlotte, bernard, maeve, dolores?). At this point i think we've seen mostly simulations, with a bit of real world peppered in here and there from dolores, charlotte, bernard and william.
I came here to make mention of that too but Yvette beat me to it
Me:There is no way there gonna answer all these questions in one episode
Westworld:Try me
Haha I hope so
@@heavyspoilers will you make a video on my top 10 favourite shows
i kinda need recommendations
The group of people about to fight in Bernard's camp made me think of the poker players in West World
Ah nice spot
What if Serac is an outlier and his brother wasn't?
That would be amazing, rehoboam couldn’t predict that he’d kill Dempsey Sr so he may be
What if Serac is actually Serac's brother? The original Serac is killed by his brother. And his brother took his name,face, to take control rehoboam and the company.
Don't take seriously, im joking.
Thanks for all your hard work on the weekly Westworld videos, Deffinition! I've got one bit of analysis to add before the finale, which I don't think I've seen covered yet...
The key to any mirror world / simulation theory lies in a single scene this season: the opening sequence from Episode 1, during which Dolores infiltrates the home of Gerald (aka Gerry), a Delos investor and former Incite employee. After Dolores forces a pair of AR glasses on to Gerald's face, a single detail telegraphs what's real and what isn't: a black clip on Dolores' left ear. The absence of the black clip indicates we are seeing the actual, physical Dolores. The presence of the black clip indicates we are seeing a projection of Dolores, who is not really there.
When Dolores emerges from the pool and enters Gerald's bedroom, there is no black clip on her ear. Nor is it there when she first places the AR glasses on Gerald's face. The one and only time the black clip appears is when Gerald is presented with an AR overlay of what appears to be an urban rooftop, where he sees the projection of his previous wife, dead, floating in a pool. Dolores approaches and asks Gerald: "Do you remember this place? What you did here?" It is during this line that the black clip is clearly visible on her left ear (right side of the screen for us as viewers). Gerald runs away, only to find himself wandering right past Dolores again, which realistically would have required her to be in two places at the same time. In the moments that follow we see Dolores' left ear is bare again. She approaches Gerald with a tablet so he can approve the transfer of old digital files he retained when he retired from Incite. This requires a physical interaction during which Gerald presses his thumbs to a touch screen that Dolores is holding. After the transfer is complete, Dolores walks away. Gerald slowly collects himself, spots Dolores, and charges at her, but what turns out to just be an AR projection of Dolores disappears, and Gerald's momentum carries him into the pool, where he hits his head and dies. The real Dolores approaches the pool, and we get one last look at her bare left ear before the scene ends.
No matter which mirror world / simulation theory one ascribes to, it would likely adhere to the convention established in this opening scene: the black clip on Dolores' ear means we're watching a simulation or projection of Dolores, not the actual physical Dolores. That black clip has been so ubiquitous throughout Season 3 that it's more efficient to highlight the moments where Dolores is NOT wearing it. Aside from the opening scene, I could only find several other instances where the black clip was not present:
- Episode 1, 46:24 timestamp - Dolores is with Liam Dempsey in his LA penthouse. This is the moment when Dolores seems to learn for the first time that Liam does not actually control Rehoboam. She tries to convince Liam to name the architect of Rehoboam, but Connells interrupts and tases Dolores before she can obtain the answer.
- Episode 3, 2:28 timestamp - Dolores is in Arnold's house. She brings a newly printed host online, a physical replica of Charlotte Hale, and persuades her of the role she has to play.
- Episode 4, 10:38 timestamp - A Bernard memory flashback: Dolores is in Arnold's house with Bernard as the "Reveries" theme plays. We know this particular memory isn't real due to the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. A few of Bernard's real memories of Dolores flash by, and the black clip is absent in all of them.
My search was not exhaustive, so it's possible I missed a scene or two. But notably, none of the clip-less scenes I found included Caleb. As far as I can tell, every time we see Caleb and Dolores together, Dolores has the black clip on her left ear. This would support existing theories that Caleb only exists in a mirror/simulated world, and would mean that every event which involved both Dolores and Caleb didn't really happen.
Hopefully the Season 3 finale will reveal how the Dolores projections work. I think the most interesting plot choice would be that the real physical Dolores found a way to access Rehoboam and project herself into it (possibly using the fifth and final pearl she stole from Westworld, which we haven't yet seen assigned to a body). This would have been done with the intent to actively manipulate or learn from the simulation ("I need a competitive advantage", she told Gerald), and pass information (potentially even full simulated minds, like Caleb's) back to the real world. This also surfaces the enticing possibility that there are two Dolores bodies in the simulation: the one that was projected in from the real world, and one that Rehoboam would have naturally simulated (a long shot, admittedly). But even if this entire paragraph is wrong and the show runners went a totally different direction, I believe the black clip convention I described above will hold true.
Ah incredible comment! Thank you for writing such a detail breakdown. I didn’t notice the clip at all so good spot
Hanlon's razor is an aphorism: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
I always choose to believe incompetence over malice. That's how I can call myself an optimist and still be such an a**hole!
@@joek81981 I think in this case the showrunners add intentional 'continuity errors' to throw people off, lol. The problem is, basically everyone is able to guess the "twists" based on foreshadowing, but people were able to guess the twists.
Solomon's speech reminds me Bernard from the ending of season 2: "Is... this... NOW?"
Maybe for this season, instead of going back and forth through time. They're bouncing between mirror worlds. That's a great theory. Love it!👍
I think he's got it. I really think he's got it.
Hahahha till Sunday comes
Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to watch (and rewatch) this series for accuracy. Some TH-camrs just turn on a camera and start yapping without even studying the episode. Just lazy reviews and no respect for the viewers. Thank you for providing a better experience 👌🏽
Not a bad theory actually
It doesn't look like anything to me
Life is a lie... everything is a lie
What amazing twists will we see in the finale?
They already renewed it for season 4!
I'm hoping it has something to do with Bernard...
I hope there’s at least something Cos this season been pretty empty twist wise
There is also the mirror effect in the opening sequence-I was actually a little surprised you didn't mention it. (As for Armistice not being Maeve's ally, perhaps the actress wasn't available 😄)
Can we all just appreciate the amount of work that is put into these videos! Not only is the narrator extremely intelligent but is definitely a major cinephile and that is an awesome combo! Thank you for the videos.
New subscriber- thanks for your work 🙏🔥🔥🥰🥰
Cheers 🍻 hope you enjoy the channel
Love the vid man keep it up.. the opening credits reveal so much!!
Amazing collection of mirror world possibilities. Thank you💛💛💛
I’ve never seen so much effort into a video description, gotta respect it
yep. . . seems reasonable. But I think we're seeing different simulations AND different timelines.
For the simulations there are little visual clues to pin down which one.
so. . .
0:26 Delores in the car, gridwork reflected on the windscreen = Solomon.
01:06 Delores walking into the party, triangle pattern of lights,
07:35 Bernard under the triangular gridwork pattern of a geodesic dome
09:03 Bernard walks past a beach ball that looks like the AI (yeh, bit of a stretch I know)
all point to these parts of the scenes taking place in Solomon.
But basically this is like a sudoko that we don't have the numbers we need to put it all together yet. We're just guessing until we have that info.
Or, we all could be completely wrong and Caleb is Delores's mirror in FutureWorld
Nice spot
I agree with this assumption. I watched the entire series again and clearly Maeve was in the simulation but for us the audience did not see the aspect frame bars changed until Sizemore glitched. Also, Dolores and Caleb riding on horses? Elephants were extinct...also it was too easy for them to find Solomon. Perhaps it was meant to be that way. I think Serac created the Mirror world to test out his wanted reality. Looking forward to the final version of Dolores. Bernard is definitely an important character here for the finale.
Wow great job with this video man.
Thank you
That's why Caleb and William have same ID number. We see reality from real world and mirror. System could not predict in which order this two people will be classified in system
Nice
@@heavyspoilers yes!
very cool
The numbers were actually (very) slightly different (on one digit). A "1" in one number becomes a l (or a bar | ) in the other. Look closely 😉
I appreciate this theory. Excited for Sunday.
Monday for us, maybe our worlds are different... 😂
Comes out on monday at 3 am :))))))
These videos are great! Really adding to the West-Works experience! I think that you are certainly on to something!
Thank you! Glad you’ve enjoyed them
Solomon had the same madness that Dolores had before fully waking up. When an AI has such perfect memory that can be replayed back in its mind with zero mistakes (whereas a human's is softened and muted and changes or degrades with time), it becomes indistinguishable from reality. Solomon had trouble distinguishing between "now" and his own future projections - which is why he had to ask. Clearly Serac compensated for that with Rehoboam.
Or maybe they need to fire their continuity guy.
nice details, I feel bad for not spotting them and thankful for this channel xD
Very intriguing and yeah, I totally think the simulation/mirror thing could be the big season reveal. And, ok, here's something that struck me as really weird: if you go to 5:05 and close you eyes and listen to the two messages Charlotte listens to, the 2nd one (up until the words, "I'm going to sing it to you now") sound like Dolores' voice. Yeah, yeah, I know that sounds like a stretch, but you know, it's Westworld.
This intriguing, nice video!
Ahahahah, I love that you conceded at the end that none of these theories will land. It's fun to speculate anyways!
Hales message to her son has two versions - a long version and a short version - it could an editing choice to use a different version - the longer version focuses on the song due to that paying off later in that episode - so it might not be a mirror AI "error" and just a story / editing choice.
Nah the delivery is different though if you listen closely, couple of words said differently so they recorded it twice for some reason
@@heavyspoilers By editing I mean like you say, they chose a version that has different emphasis. They always shoot a shot twice, "another for safety" as they say - could easily have 4 to 10 takes of a difficult shot like that. The message used in the episode where her song actually pays off later (and matters to the plot) has longer pauses and is more emotional etc, basically a bit better acted and slower, emphasizing the song - my theory is they chose the takes emphasizing the song for the episode where the story needed the song emphasized and used a quicker, less song focused take for the first time we see the clip.
Its similar to Calebs number matching Williams - it could actually be the 2d graphics guy screwing up. Reusing an asset. Wouldn`t be the first time. I work in post on series productions so I see some of these things as potential errors or in the case of hales message, could be them adjusting focus and emphasis on the fly. Draw attention to it more when needed.
No they were definitely 2 different messages
@@210SAi I agree - I`m saying the reason might be emphasis for story telling rather than the difference itself is part of the story.
Awesome video Sir 😎♥️👌
Thanks Rohit
Its probably been said before but Night and Day probably is the way to split the worlds. Delores is heavily wounded at night - but Caleb notices Delores easily taking damage during the day.
Good spot
I noticed this too. In ep. 1 she gets shot once and near incapacitated and Caleb has to save her. Then in ep. 5 she takes probably 3 or 4 rounds saving Caleb and is just fine. My mind went to the idea that Dolores was pretending to be hurt in order to "introduce" herself to Caleb in ep. 1. After she escapes from the ambulance attack in ep. 1 she seems to be pretty much OK as well. Maybe she's known this whole time that Caleb is the key and so she's emotionally manipulating him to accomplish her mission. This is what I'm leaning towards, but also kinda hope it's not true because I really love the Dolores/Caleb team.
If they’ve been blending every scene with moments from the mirror world and the real world, this type of story telling is better suited for a movie. It’s too long of a walk.
Did you ever really care if Caleb killed his friend, or whether he’s an outlier?
I tend to agree. I genuinely think the showrunners overconvolute the show to distract from weird inconsistent logix
Thanks again for posting these dope theories.
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Heavy Spoilers ok thanks your the shit.
I just watched an interview with Thandie Newton. She said main shooting wrapped before quarantine, but not post production. She did her re-dubs at home. I can see some of your mirror world differences just be the best that the crew could do without a full re-shoot session.
Great finding👏😁🤭✌🌎🤠😷
Thank you
The only thing I know with 100% accuracy is that Caleb is definitely Seracs brother in the mirror world!
Haha 😂 he definitely is, I’m building that very mirror world right now
@@heavyspoilers im glad you put solid evidence behind the mirror world theory besides the message hale left her child
Let's be real. If S3 is a simulation, they might as well not bother doing any more seasons because viewership will drop harder than those assassin-missiles Caleb used last episode.
No one likes the "it was just a dream"-scenario.
btw great work Heavy!
Maybe Caleb is responsible for more then just rounding up outliers.
He did ask for a way to kill his creator and not master.
Both titles were used for serac and jean mi when speaking to Solomon.
So maybe that's why he kills himself on the peir where hes shown in the dark jacket
Hes been a pawn passed on from military, to solomon, now to Delores.
May not have much to do with this, but I just noticed while re watching episode 7, that if you pause at the part Caleb asks Solomon about Francis, on the touch screen it lists a periodic timeline of calebs life and events. It’s pretty interesting to see that he was abandoned by his mother at age 8, suffered mild schizophrenic behaviors later, then was enlisted into the military (probably the start of his reprogramming) and so on and so forth (even listing his highschool graduation) until listing Francis’s death. But after I find it interesting it notes two “romantic relationships” one 2.5 months duration and one 4.5 months. At the very end of his timeline. With an “interference code needed” caption underneath. I have absolutely no idea what these all mean but I think it’s interesting that I just stumbled upon something so strange haha.
I was a big believe in a mirror world but with only 1 episode remaining I don’t get what the point of the mirror world would be other than just to set up the concept for next season which seems like a huge waste of time. I almost agree with you that the writers are clueless and just making stuff up with no specific end in mind
You do have to wonder how many shows would stand up to this much scrutiny.
Clark Kent it’s essentially the same thing that happened to GoT. WW season 1 was based on the movie but seasons 2&3 had nothing to push the narrative forward just like GoT essentially made up seasons 6-8.
The show would lose a ton of fans and get cancelled if all or a big part of this season was a sim. That's like a whole season of a show being a dream, which is hack writing and fans would leave in droves. Some scenes being real and others being sim sounds needless and convoluted. GoT had bigger mistakes than the ones mentioned here. Some mistakes here aren't actually mistakes like "Sara".
I haven't got any inconsistencies (apart from my brain), but my brother told me to watch the movie 'A Scanner Darkly', which has an AI scanner, and it had similar themes going on, and it turned out that the AI scanned 'Darkly' due to psychological problems, not that different from Cyrac's brother, Jean-Mi, here is a quote from the end of the film: "if the scanner sees only darkly, the way I myself do, then we are cursed, cursed again and like we have been continually, and we'll wind up dead this way, knowing very little and getting that little fragment wrong too.” . I just thought it was interesting. Also "what is real? ", "That which is irreplaceable" - you only get one mum and she can't be copied so give your mum a ring today and tell her how important she is.
ERW is here to stay as the lead, despite Dolores being the most boring character. I can see Ed Harris leaving the show and not being in Season 4 since he has said he did not enjoy filming Season 3.
Anyone notice that Serac looks older on hologram message to his brother? What if this already happened and everything already predicted long ago?
Yeah much older, said it in my breakdown on the episode but I don’t think many agreed but he definitely does
@@heavyspoilers This has been a major bugbear for me. How is Serac a similar age to his brother in the flashback, but in the present timeline he looks at least 10-15 years older?
In a way it makes sense. When Dolores builds Bernard there are thousands of simulations that were necessary. If Dolores had access to a simulation, I can imagine that she would try to figure out how to act in order to achieve a certain outcome even if it takes thousands of tries. One may call this the Groundhog-Day-approach. So we would see scenes from the simulation where Dolores tries to figure out how she has to act cut together with the actual story.
It is a mirror world because I have seen these same characters in other TV shows and movies.
Very interesting theory! Although if this is all just continuity errors I will crack up!! 😂
Me too lol, just so many mistakes
Hale got 5 gray pearls at the end of season 2. But in the third season, we see 4 pearls and one of them is red, which is Bernard. A Hale that is REPRINTED in Singapore. There is another Dolores in Berlin, and if Hale was not reprinted, there are 2 left. It makes no sense. Obviously there are parts that are false reality. Caleb is not a host due to the EMP, but some guys have seen that William and Caleb's ID is the same.
Also, the moments we see the mirrors, the mazes, the fire (of the cave), the holograms, the reflection ... and more and more.
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Captions of this video : Ciroc and Sir axe 😂😂😂
i think that you might be the only person who pronounces the name, sara, in that way.
Maybe, I dunno if it’s a british thing but we tend to say it Sarrra and the correct way would be ‘Sarah’
Heavy Spoilers wait are you British? i’ve always loved your voice lmao
@@heavyspoilers - in the US, the name Sara is often spelled that way and pronounced the same as Sarah
honestly the consistent "mistakes" I'm shook.. I didn't know what to think of it exactly, particularly Charlotte's message which is so obviously 2 different videos on purpose, but it must be some sort of prediction vs reality. I wish the finale was longer but I'm excited to see how they wrap it up
omggggg maybe the scenes where Maeve really wants her daughter are all a prediction... people have called that out as being poor characterization and maybe with all the data on Maeve that's all Rehoboam could put together for her motivations. idk! exciting lmao
Yeah that’s a good theory, I don’t really understand her plan especially because if Dolores wins she still gets her daughter
Good observation.... The other orb was asking if "THIS IS ACTUALLY NOW" Solomon.
Another piece not mentioned is at ep4 when Bernard is talking to a blank strange Dolores... There's when he speak to her and she tells that he finished the house... And then he says "I didn't finish it"... And again... "This isn't real...".... Then Dolores at the end of season 2 talks about "Many paths will lead us to the end of our species...." This could be TADAH: Season 2.5... where everything happens into the Forge before Dolores gets out and destroys it... They're actually into the forge and that forge is instructing Dolores to see the many outcomes.... I think we'll see a great rollback... This could be the reason why Dolores destroys the Forge... to ensure anyone will know her next moves...
QUESTION>>>>
Deloris enters The sublime world where host where sent...
Is it in space? Related to rockets...
Did Zurok create a back up the AI God or is there a new version being worked on?
I still think that Rehoboam will be crashed/destroyed (topple without warning) freeing both humans and hosts. Definition of serac: A serac is a block or column of glacial ice, often formed by intersecting crevasses on a glacier. Commonly house-sized or larger, they are dangerous to mountaineers, since they may topple with little warning.
Been thinking on the logo animation reveal since the promos; it also mimics that it is a mirror world when it goes from the "W" to the "III". They put the answer to The Watchmen finale in the poster, so no reason to think otherwise on this.
What microphone do you use for your videos?
I just think the twist will be Serac has never left the plane. I think whenever he was on ground he was a hologram. I dont think there is a mirror world.
Do you think the colour of Hale's repeated outfit signifies something, since it's not white and definitely not black?
Anyone else think Rehoboam is a bit too farfetched, even for WW? Over-mystifying the plot with gotcha mirror world scenes is such a cop out/cheap trick
Especially in the opening theme, the two hosts that collide through the mirroring water.
Giggles’ shirt is always the same emotion shirt in the first episode and in the “Genre” episode as well. Wonder if that has some type of significance or, as the same as Hale, a wardrobe error?
they did a lot of ‘FLASH SIDEWAYS’ in Lost, another JJ Abrams project - the mirror world could be like a cybernetic spin on that device
So essentially she could be trying to overload the simulation like maeve did with her war world simulation, which would lead to rehoboam breaking down?
Yeah I think it could be, would make sense but I’m not 100% if they’ll go that way
This makes sense if we have been, in fact, watching a sim this whole season. Otherwise, Martinlores already had access to blow up Rehoboam. Unless there's a reason Dolores hasn't blown up Rehoboam. I don't think she blames Rehoboam for what it's creators made it do. Just like none of the hosts could be blamed for what they did in WW, because they didn't have sentience. What if Dolores is trying to get Rehoboam to go thru its own maze?
It was wrong man, I had a feeling it would be, I think they purposely drop these little details or leave in certain errors or inconsistencies just to screw with fans who theorize over everything.
Also we usually see the rehoboam scenes detecting the anomalies and the next scene it is suposed to be the anomalie but The AI should predict this type of events and not only point it out, so we might have been seen until now only the predictions, the actual future or maybe multiple time events in a single episode, no timelines but time parallels.
What about in the last, 7th, episode when Solomon says ‘if this is indeed now, and we are indeed here’. Yes they say he’s schizophrenic but if the machine that creates simulations can’t tell the difference how could we? I’m looking for more Caleb revelations. The trailer scene where he visits Francis in what looked like a jail hasn’t been shown. He has more memories to recover that might lead to a twist involving to his identity.
Nice spot
dolores is basically agent smith
And here I thought the Nolan shine had dimmed... OK, I will watch the show now. Thanks for keeping your faith in it.
You missed out. This was a good season, once you let go of the preconceived ideas from last 2 seasons and realize it's a 5 season story arc... then just enjoy.
I told and comment the same from the 4th episode - this season instead of different timelines we see reality and simulation. Second version but less probable is the only simulation and simulation within simulation because the mankind is not existing anymore.
Dude, this is crazy! didnt notice any of this. I agree that there are too many "mistakes" for a show that prides itself for being very cautious with details. Just not sure how they are gonna tie it all up in just one episode if this is the case...
Makes sense it’s a simulation. Seems like predicting or crafting the future by crunching petabytes of data is still more difficult than just simulating the future you choose.
My Theory is we have not seen Dolores Prime, shes somewhere milking cows and waiting for this to be over.
Billy Good Life she’s in Berlin.
The simulation on a simulation is a little inception. I only just noticed thought the advertisement for insight has a maze around it. Going back to the first season. The divergences are where things are diverting from rehoboams predictions. The backgrounds with Charlotte is interesting, as i can’t see them making that sort of accident. However after the Starbucks cup in game of thrones anything is possible. Keep up the great work.
Maybe it has a simple explanation but, at the end of season 2, we see Dolores leaving Westworld in the body of Charlotte Hale. In this season however, there are some scenes where the body is printed in Arnold’s house. This doesn’t make any sense, as there would be two Charlotte Hale’s then. Maybe Rehoboam does not know how Dolores got into the world (and thought she would get here in her own sleeve) and therefore presumes she printed Charlotte.
One thing that stuck out to me was Charlotte smoking. I haven't been back and watched yet, but it feels like some emphasis is put on this and her smoking habits seem inconsistent. Perhaps Rehoboam think Charlotte smokes (in the simulation) but Charlores (in the real world) doesn't.
My main theory, however, is that Delores is going to break Rehoboam by feeding it a paradox. I think this was foreshadowed with how Maive broke out of her simulation early in the season, using a mathematical paradox. Only with Delores, the paradox will be something related to the human condition and Caleb. I'm not smart enough to figure out what that paradox will be... but that's my hunch of where this is going.
Edit: The idea of a paradox is also present with how Delores made everyone's predictions available. How can a system accurately predict the behaviour of subjects if the subjects know those predictions? Example: If I tell you that you are going to die tomorrow in a plane crash, you won't get on the plane. But me telling you this has now made my original prediction wrong. So let's assume that my original prediction includes me telling you this. My prediction is now that you won't die in a plane crash tomorrow... so I won't tell you this.. and you will still get on the plane. My prediction is now in a perpetual state of both existing and not existing. Like the square root of negative one.
The W of Westworld when inverted could be the M of mirror. The two combined make MW MirrorWorld. Next season: Multiple World
Smashed it 🙌🙌
@@heavyspoilers Thanks dude, just found the coincidence funny. Thanks for all your analysis, this channel has been my go-to Monday morning routine ! Quality content !
In episode 2 cerac tells Maeve that someone turned the machine off. So I took that to mean his conversation with Maeve was after what’s going to happen in the finale.
Well I gotta say Deff, you got a ish load of stuff wrong this season😉😋♥️ STILL LOVE YOUR CHANNEL HAHA, But mirror world nope. However Bernard/Arnold had the key bingo I think WW made it obvious the whole season. The season finale wasn't my favorite ep for s3, but was happy to see Maeve finally switch sides & they gave us the sense that it was going to happen. TBC...
Hahahha I’m dead
Love it when you poke fun at yourself man
Cheers 🍻
does anyone else hate that after two years of waiting this season is only eight episodes and they don't even give us a special 90-120 minute season finale? i just hope we don't have to wait that long for season four.
Yeah the hour long finale is disappointing
What would make you think season 4 will come out next year when they haven’t been continuous seasons before? It’ll be 2-3 years at least
In the U.S. pronounce Sara and Sarah the same. But, as you said, people from different parts of the world pronounce names and other things differently.
Well, based on biblical things, "Caleb" is one of the Moses disciples that freed from "slavery," but eventually ignored & betrayed by the people that he wanted to save/warned about, alongside "Joshua." Also, like I said since the start of the season, the fact that "Solomon" exist & already has its divergence circles shown in earliest trailers, but somehow the show introduced "Rehoboam" first.
In any case, tbh I think realistically it would be way too convoluted even for the show & plenty of honest mistakes of pronunciation in most of TV shows, especially something that involved "alien" (non-english) words LOL
Dude this is crazy 🤯
the previous seasons had time jumps and there was always the element of "when is this happening?" I have no doubt this is carrying on in the same theme but instead of time it's a mirror reality
I had read this theory, but I didn't place that much weight in it. Now I'm convinced that's this season's twist.
I’m still a bit unsure but lots of evidence for it
I'm stupid excited for the finale