My Father ran Grummans Flight Test from 1941-1965. He invented a means of airborne stress testing using radio telemetry. One of the many Grumman practices that earned them the name Iron Works.
@@michaelshore2300 indeed and was the aircraft that Eric Brown described as almost impossible to choose between it and a Bearcat in their qualities. I would presume by then (Korean War) Sea Furies were used in mostly land attack roles so would be far more likely to confront a Mig than a Bearcat which would really only be for Fleet defence and Nth Korean pilots rarely ventured over the sea leading to Sea Fury pilots if engaged would thus dive low and out to sea and shake them off reasonably comfortably.
True, that would have to require going up against jets and win. In the transitional era such a victory could perhaps been possible in an odd engagement. During WW2 prop fighters did have to deal with german jets after all.
@@josefhunne5500 there is at least one known downing in air combat of a jet in the Korean War by a Sea Fury, a few others are claimed by piston engined aircraft I believe too. But as rule that statement is true.
@@stuartwillard6558 m petterson was writing about ww2. korean aircombats jet vs prop ended very few times with a prop victory. How do germans speak: a blind chicken sometimes finds a cerial grain too ...
Ensign eliminator is what my pre war naval aviator father called it. If it used full throttle when taking off torque would want to flip the plan. The -2 version had a taller tail to tame the slow speed roll near the ground on takeoff. That said he was a LCdr with two completed tours when he first flew it.
What has the video got to do about demolishing modern fighter jets? Nearly a waste of time especially mine. I thought you had something interesting to say about piston fighters and modern jets
The Bearcat never saw combat service with the US Navy, but the F4U Corsair, a WW2 warrior, saw its combat duty extended into the Korean War. That should tell you all you need to know about the Bearcat.
The reason it didn't see service in Korea is due to the fact that it was built as a point defense fighter, not a long range plane like the Corsair. If the US hadn't dropped the atomic bombs and had to invade Japan, the Bearcats would have been fleet defense fighters to counter the kamikaze menace because it was fast, had a hell of a good climb rate and was very maneuverable. It could also be flown off of the escort carriers that couldn't handle the Corsair or Hellcat safely. By the time of Korea, fleet defense was handled by Banshees. My uncle flew Banshees off of Korea as CAP. He did tell me the Bearcat was the most fun prop plane he ever flew though.
Somebody needs to bone up on their aircraft ID. At .55 seconds they show an A1 Skyraider taking off then a few shots of the Grumman Tbf Avengers. Next, at 7.45 to 8.00 minutes they show more shots of A1 Skyraiders. Bearcat a jet killer? Maybe they can find some evidence, they did not show any in this presentation. I give the site an F!
This is the fighter we needed in 1942- a 450mph Wildcat. Extremely fast at medium altitudes, out-climb anything and out-run most anything, and you can fit a lot of them on a carrier. The 'jet' reference should indicate that the F8F was used for comparison with early jets because of it's climb performance. 'Modern jet' wasn't even a term back then.
@@kpal2946 What does it sound like? A Text to speech software used to produce the "read lines" instead of an actual human being that knows how to put the emphasis on the right syllables and when to read through to a word instead of pausing right before it making the enunciation all weird.
@@HDSME So?, I just looked up the Time to Climb, if it came from the Wikipedia page the figures do not make sense anyway, as the F8F-1 that supposedly did it had a lower power engine than the F8F-2 which could only manage 4,464 Ft/Min so no way could it get to 10,000 feet in 94 seconds with a Take off Run, probably Wikipedia errors. The Lightning Could climb over 4 times as fast in any case and came out before the F16.
I need to find my high school history teacher and scold him for lying to me. Fighter squadron 19 was activated in late May 1945, but only days later the US opted to use atomic bombs to bring WWII to an end. My history teacher told me that was in early August of 1945.
Bearcats had shorter range and were retired in 1947, but the Corsair continued on in development and production, like the Mustang, into the early 50's. Both served in Korea and the last actve Corsair squadron was taken out of service in 1962(?)
The F8F-2 was slower than it's contemporary the F4U-5 and the Corsair had a better climb rate. The Bearcat could out turn the -5 but US Navy fighter pilots learned how to deal with the more maneuverable Zero.
The F-8F did not see combat in WW2, so what "modern jets" were "demolished"? You oversold a great airplane. Most people that watched this already have interest, your headline is written for those that don't have a clue.
The caption had me intrigued, so I watched it until the end .There is no. mention of combat with jets. I'll add this to the list of BS channels on TH-cam .
Fun fact: I was really surprised to learn the other day that some of the radial engines used to power American WWII fighter planes also found their place on commercial DC--6's and Constellations.
Designed specifically as a fleet defence fighter / interceptor . It was a one trick Pony . Short range, no ability to carry munitions , primarily a Kamikaze destroyer. Had the war progressed to invasion of the Japanese home islands I believe it would have been able to prove itself to be the right plane for that mission .
Bearcat had very short range, so, even if jets had not been coming on-line, it would never have replaced all the Corsairs (or Hellcats) I've always thought Grumman missed the opportunity... to stuff a PW R-2800 in a WILDCAT, stretch the tail and lengthen the wings put bigger fuel tanks and bigger landing gear on it, then put the whole thing in a wind-tunnel to optimize top speed. Grumman did put a more powerful motor in the FM-2 "Wilder" Wildcat, but that wasn't an PW R-2800!
he irony of showing footage of skyraiders repeatedly combined with the click bait title title is that the skyraider DID demolish a pair of mig 17s in air to air combat during the Vietnam war
@@Ponchoman07 This video deserves a "thumbs up" but the click bait title compels me to give it a "THUMBS DOWN". I watch to the end expecting that a Bearcat of another air force shot down a jet post WW2.
I would have given this a thumbs up if the title hadn't been false. I hate being lied to. On the plus side it led me to learn that TH-cam has added "misleading" to the categories which videos can be reported for, and I do like learning new things.
If the war had continued into the fall of 1945, I think the Bearcat would have been most useful on the Independence-class light carriers replacing the Hellcats and the escort carriers replacing the FM-2 Wildcats. Leave the F6F and F4Us on the Essex-class for strike escort.
F8F was 700 kg lighter than F4U with an engine of the same power, and nearly one ton lighter than Sea Fury with an engine of the same power as the R3350. There is a record of the prototype taking off at 35 meters. Air combat performance is determined by speed, climbing ability, and appropriate wing area.
Please give suggestions for shows of F-8 Sabre & F9F Pather Jets and the combat missions of famous iconic figures that flew them. Of the likes of Adrin "Buzz" Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, John Glenn alsoTed Williams.
This is the first time that I have given a thumbs down to any TH-cam video. I watched this to hear about ANY instance where a Bearcat shot down a jet, but DID NOT HEAR EVEN ONE. Everything that was in this video I already knew. There ARE propeller driven planes that have shot down jets, The F4U, P-51, P-47 to name a few, but I have still not heard of ANY jets shot down by a F8F!
The beastly propeller fighter didn't demolish jets. sure it won a few fights but demolished is an exaggeration. that''s why we have jets not and not beastly propeller fighters.
Two huge problems with this video. First, despite the click-bait title, there is no discussion of the F8F “demolishing” enemy jet aircraft. It was inferior to jet fighters. Second, a good portion of the footage shows Douglas Skyraiders instead of Bearcats.
My Man... Your title is mis-leading, and for the most part inaccurate. Just a suggestion to focus on the reality of the situation, and to NOT title your videos so that they are.... Effectively, "Clickbait". Peace.
2000lbs lighter with the same engine as the Hellcat and the Corsair? Yeah, I'd say it would outperform both of them handily. Never saw action for the US, even Korea. Oh well, still one of my favs at the airshows. Round sound is the best.
What a load of BS. I believe the TV series "Fighters" an A1 Skyraider was able to shoot down a MIG 17 with its 20mm cannons. The only recorded incident in Vietnam. .
My Father ran Grummans Flight Test from 1941-1965. He invented a means of airborne stress testing using radio telemetry. One of the many Grumman practices that earned them the name Iron Works.
As an old Grumman Pilot(F-14A/B), I appreciate the Grumman Iron Works...
I don't recall ever reading/hearing that Grumman's F8F Bearcat was a "jet killer." Oh well, the influence of "Dark Skies" is wide and pervasive.
I despise the "dark xxxx" channels, they are garbage from start to finish. This one is a lot less offensive, I think.
@@brettbuck7362 Why do you think that, I'm not a huge fan of the dark channels but they are better than a lot of other things on you tube.
They confuse it with the Hawker Sea fury They look similar and the fury shot down Jets
@@michaelshore2300 indeed and was the aircraft that Eric Brown described as almost impossible to choose between it and a Bearcat in their qualities. I would presume by then (Korean War) Sea Furies were used in mostly land attack roles so would be far more likely to confront a Mig than a Bearcat which would really only be for Fleet defence and Nth Korean pilots rarely ventured over the sea leading to Sea Fury pilots if engaged would thus dive low and out to sea and shake them off reasonably comfortably.
The Grumman were all in the Pacific theater I believe. The japanese did not have any jets whatsoever. Everyone should already know this!
Terrifiic fighter... but it clearly didn't "Demolish Modern Jets", so please - no false video titles, please.
True, that would have to require going up against jets and win. In the transitional era such a victory could perhaps been possible in an odd engagement. During WW2 prop fighters did have to deal with german jets after all.
@@michaelpettersson4919 ... and they only had a chance when technical problems occured in the jet or they were in approach for landing.
@@josefhunne5500 there is at least one known downing in air combat of a jet in the Korean War by a Sea Fury, a few others are claimed by piston engined aircraft I believe too. But as rule that statement is true.
or the Harries mk one
@@stuartwillard6558 m petterson was writing about ww2. korean aircombats jet vs prop ended very few times with a prop victory. How do germans speak: a blind chicken sometimes finds a cerial grain too ...
Stop click Bait video titles. They cheapen your product and piss us off.
Yet still here you are.
@@kpal2946 Well.....yeah. Plane.
@@kpal2946ò
Well, put ya own site up, or shut up!
@@gregmacdonald7710 He's right Greg and you know it!!
I hate clickbait titles, though this video did introduce the Bearcat to me.
well that may be its only plus. fascinating history
Introduce? Where in hell have you been?
To many pictures of A1 Skyraiders representing F8F Bearcats.
Yes noticed that.
Apparently, since they are both painted blue, it's all the same to the author.🙂 smh
Very true and disappointing, but the Skyraider is a special aircraft.
I saw that too. Much larger and slower, not intended as a fighter
STOCK FOOTAGE drives me nuts in documentaries.
Ensign eliminator is what my pre war naval aviator father called it. If it used full throttle when taking off torque would want to flip the plan. The -2 version had a taller tail to tame the slow speed roll near the ground on takeoff. That said he was a LCdr with two completed tours when he first flew it.
I had heard it called that , what could it do with a modern engine ?
End of an era for piston engine aircraft
Proper aircraft !
What has the video got to do about demolishing modern fighter jets? Nearly a waste of time especially mine. I thought you had something interesting to say about piston fighters and modern jets
That's why he only has 8100 subs. 👎
Bye.
The Bearcat never saw combat service with the US Navy, but the F4U Corsair, a WW2 warrior, saw its combat duty extended into the Korean War. That should tell you all you need to know about the Bearcat.
The reason it didn't see service in Korea is due to the fact that it was built as a point defense fighter, not a long range plane like the Corsair. If the US hadn't dropped the atomic bombs and had to invade Japan, the Bearcats would have been fleet defense fighters to counter the kamikaze menace because it was fast, had a hell of a good climb rate and was very maneuverable. It could also be flown off of the escort carriers that couldn't handle the Corsair or Hellcat safely. By the time of Korea, fleet defense was handled by Banshees. My uncle flew Banshees off of Korea as CAP. He did tell me the Bearcat was the most fun prop plane he ever flew though.
@@mudguy1503Good info - thanks.
Somebody needs to bone up on their aircraft ID. At .55 seconds they show an A1 Skyraider taking off then a few shots of the Grumman Tbf Avengers. Next, at 7.45 to 8.00 minutes they show more shots of A1 Skyraiders. Bearcat a jet killer? Maybe they can find some evidence, they did not show any in this presentation. I give the site an F!
This is the fighter we needed in 1942- a 450mph Wildcat. Extremely fast at medium altitudes, out-climb anything and out-run most anything, and you can fit a lot of them on a carrier. The 'jet' reference should indicate that the F8F was used for comparison with early jets because of it's climb performance. 'Modern jet' wasn't even a term back then.
Ukraine needs these.
No robot speakers please......😮
I am glad to be your 20th thumbs up on that!
@@paulbriggs3072 What is robot speakers, just wondering?
@@kpal2946 What does it sound like? A Text to speech software used to produce the "read lines" instead of an actual human being that knows how to put the emphasis on the right syllables and when to read through to a word instead of pausing right before it making the enunciation all weird.
Interestingly though, the Bearcat held the 'time to climb' record until the F16 broke it, that alone is quite telling of the machine's ablities.
It was a nasty bird but came to late
A highly modified Bearcat performed that climb.
I imagine the English Electric Lightning did it before the F16.
@DelDredd let me guess your from uk lol
@@HDSME So?, I just looked up the Time to Climb, if it came from the Wikipedia page the figures do not make sense anyway, as the F8F-1 that supposedly did it had a lower power engine than the F8F-2 which could only manage 4,464 Ft/Min so no way could it get to 10,000 feet in 94 seconds with a Take off Run, probably Wikipedia errors. The Lightning Could climb over 4 times as fast in any case and came out before the F16.
If you can't provide in-context footage, then don't use random video of Avengers, Skyraiders and other non F8F. It only confuses the viewer.
You beat me to the comment. Ridiculous mish mash...maybe the creator doesn't know the difference....
Love this in a funny way the vid is about the Bearcat but I keep seeing the A-1 Skyraider ....LOL
Agreed. I know I saw some Skyraiders. In some shots, in motion the Bearcats look quite alot like Skyraiders. 🙏🇺🇸
I need to find my high school history teacher and scold him for lying to me. Fighter squadron 19 was activated in late May 1945, but only days later the US opted to use atomic bombs to bring WWII to an end. My history teacher told me that was in early August of 1945.
Well said, I caught that one too.
Bearcats had shorter range and were retired in 1947, but the Corsair continued on in development and production, like the Mustang, into the early 50's. Both served in Korea and the last actve Corsair squadron was taken out of service in 1962(?)
The F8F-2 was slower than it's contemporary the F4U-5 and the Corsair had a better climb rate. The Bearcat could out turn the -5 but US Navy fighter pilots learned how to deal with the more maneuverable Zero.
Video doesn't touch what the title promises: channel goes on my 'do not recommend' list.
Pinnacles of piston-prop design: F8 Bearcat and A1 Skyraider. An everlasting credit to their designers.
Lots of skyraider footage
It never demolished a jet.
The Bearcat was able to out climb all early jets until turbine technology advanced. It clearly demolished jets in this category.
@@RJHINKL64 They should have mentioned this,
@@RJHINKL64 it never out climbed any operational WW2 jet.
No but I believe it cloud
@@RJHINKL64 different definition of demolish, the text said it was a "jet killer" which it wasnt.
Why the Skyraider footage mixed in with the Bearcat?
It's interesting to think about what it would have been like if Bearcats had to tangle with the ME-262 or even the J7W1 Shindin.
I Love to watch ANYTHING about the SENSATIONAL F-8F Bearcat.
The F-8F did not see combat in WW2, so what "modern jets" were "demolished"? You oversold a great airplane. Most people that watched this already have interest, your headline is written for those that don't have a clue.
The caption had me intrigued, so I watched it until the end .There is no. mention of combat with jets. I'll add this to the list of BS channels on TH-cam .
Fun fact: I was really surprised to learn the other day that some of the radial engines used to power American WWII fighter planes also found their place on commercial DC--6's and Constellations.
Designed specifically as a fleet defence fighter / interceptor . It was a one trick Pony . Short range, no ability to carry munitions , primarily a Kamikaze destroyer. Had the war progressed to invasion of the Japanese home islands I believe it would have been able to prove itself to be the right plane for that mission .
Bearcat had very short range, so, even if jets had not been coming on-line,
it would never have replaced all the Corsairs (or Hellcats)
I've always thought Grumman missed the opportunity...
to stuff a PW R-2800 in a WILDCAT, stretch the tail and lengthen the wings
put bigger fuel tanks and bigger landing gear on it, then
put the whole thing in a wind-tunnel to optimize top speed.
Grumman did put a more powerful motor in the FM-2 "Wilder" Wildcat,
but that wasn't an PW R-2800!
Wonder if there was any thought on using the P & W Wasp major engine ?
I love the sea fury!😂
It has a mighty roar!
Me too. Seen it at Duxford ++++
I'm sure there is not a lot of F8F video footage, but using F6F and Douglas Sky Raider video footage is misleading!
What aircraft company built the A1
Sky raider
Douglas Aircraft Corporation
Douglas
he irony of showing footage of skyraiders repeatedly combined with the click bait title title is that the skyraider DID demolish a pair of mig 17s in air to air combat during the Vietnam war
At 57 sec, you are showing an A1 Skyraider taking while talking about the Bearcat. You don’t know the difference?
Gets a downvote for the clickbait title. Didn't bother watching the video after reading the comments.
Well, it was interesting to learn about the Bearcat, but yes, sadly turned out to be just a clickbait title. Not giving it a thumbs up due to that.
@@Ponchoman07 This video deserves a "thumbs up" but the click bait title compels me to give it a "THUMBS DOWN". I watch to the end expecting that a Bearcat of another air force shot down a jet post WW2.
4400fpm climb rate with the ability to reach 10.000 in 90 seconds, im confused..
So is the author.
I didn't see a demolished jet. But good information about the F8F though.
I would have given this a thumbs up if the title hadn't been false. I hate being lied to. On the plus side it led me to learn that TH-cam has added "misleading" to the categories which videos can be reported for, and I do like learning new things.
It was a highly modified Bearcat that climbed to 9,800 feet in 91.9 seconds.
If I remember right, Rare Bear hit 6000 HP on fuel injected alcohol. I got to talk to one of the men who built up that powerpoint.
What are those things at 5:02 ? They look like Martin AM-1 Maulers.
Looks a lot like the A1 Skyraider
If you want see one up close, and have time, go to the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino, CA. They restored one a couple of years ago.
I would be happy to own a Grumman canoe.
I have a very pretty Grumman sailing and rowing skiff with a Torqeedo electric motor.
Too many technical errors in the video, sorry.
Was P-51 Mustang 🐎 That Shot Up a Early ME-262 German Jet.
no it was Canadian Spitfires
Terrific fighter.... when/against who??
If the war had continued into the fall of 1945, I think the Bearcat would have been most useful on the Independence-class light carriers replacing the Hellcats and the escort carriers replacing the FM-2 Wildcats. Leave the F6F and F4Us on the Essex-class for strike escort.
The postal service LLV is made by Grumman.tough little vehicle.drove it for 12 yrs
Warning: CLICKBAIT.
I missed the part about it "demolishing" jets.
Who built he a1 sky raider
F8F was 700 kg lighter than F4U with an engine of the same power, and nearly one ton lighter than Sea Fury with an engine of the same power as the R3350. There is a record of the prototype taking off at 35 meters. Air combat performance is determined by speed, climbing ability, and appropriate wing area.
Not sure it would have really stacked up against the Hawker Sea Fury
Ok feature on the plane. However, the text to speech numbers need to improve.
There is 2 things wrong that title
I'm sitting here and thinking about Trojan T-28. That plane would give most of the jets a run for the money.
If only this fighter had been available for frontline service by mid 1944….
A lot of great info here, but a lot of those Bearcats are Douglas A-1 Skyraiders! A much larger aircraft with a different mision.
The Bearcat never seen combat!!!
Nice clip
In 1968 my father's employer took me for a ride in his Bearcat. They did aerial photography. Later, he crashed the plane and died.
Please give suggestions for shows of F-8 Sabre & F9F Pather Jets and the combat missions of famous iconic figures that flew them. Of the likes of Adrin "Buzz" Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, John Glenn alsoTed Williams.
This is the first time that I have given a thumbs down to any TH-cam video. I watched this to hear about ANY instance where a Bearcat shot down a jet, but DID NOT HEAR EVEN ONE. Everything that was in this video I already knew. There ARE propeller driven planes that have shot down jets, The F4U, P-51, P-47 to name a few, but I have still not heard of ANY jets shot down by a F8F!
The beastly propeller fighter didn't demolish jets. sure it won a few fights but demolished is an exaggeration. that''s why we have jets not and not beastly propeller fighters.
German ME262 first ones were taking down by P51 Mustang. Cosairs to down Migs in Korea. Not devastating but there were out there holding the line.
Comparing a reciprocating engined, straight wing WW2 aircraft to a jet propulsion powered fighter jet as being superior? Yeh, OK.
While I think there’s a lot of whingers in the comments section, they are making some pretty valid points 😂
It was the Sea Fury that downed the Mig15. It was faster than the Bearcat.
Where on Long Island were the Cats made?
Yes , the bearcat but you strayed quickly
Hate to tell you this AD-1s are not F8Fs.
Far too long a video caused by repeating the same quotes over and over again.
Rare Bear a Reno Air Race fave for decades.
click bait title, lots of mistakes, DOWN VOTE.
Why show Douglas Skyraiders in a video about Grumman Bearcats? Poor editing!!
Misleading title. Needs regulation.
They have gotten better with robotic narration, but it still has a way to go to become indistinguishable from real human speech.
Two huge problems with this video. First, despite the click-bait title, there is no discussion of the F8F “demolishing” enemy jet aircraft. It was inferior to jet fighters. Second, a good portion of the footage shows Douglas Skyraiders instead of Bearcats.
No Click Bait, please, if you want me to watch any more of your videos
Fantastic research and footage on a classic.
Hearing that bot pronounce "Pratt & Whitney" makes my toenails curl.
He'll cat killed the most aircraft and was slightly behind the Bearcats in performance
Bad title.
It did NOT demolish "modern" jets, only some of the EARLY jets.
This video deserves a "thumbs up" but the click bait title compels me to give it a "THUMBS DOWN".
Why doesn't anyone do a video on the F7F Tigercat?
Yeah! With the DH Hornet to compare it with...
Thank You :)
My Man... Your title is mis-leading, and for the most part inaccurate. Just a suggestion to focus on the reality of the situation, and to NOT title your videos so that they are.... Effectively, "Clickbait". Peace.
It beat contemporary jets, NOT "modern" jets.
"Two zero zero horsepower"...really? Your channel and narration blow.
Great airplane.
Cheapened by misleading title, and way too many clips of Skyraiders.
Why so many images of AD-1 Skyraiders [Douglas] while talking about F-8F Bearcats [Grumman]? This video is clickbait w 1/2 truths.
2000lbs lighter with the same engine as the Hellcat and the Corsair? Yeah, I'd say it would outperform both of them handily. Never saw action for the US, even Korea. Oh well, still one of my favs at the airshows. Round sound is the best.
Nope!
WHy footage of Sky Raiders at one point?
What a load of BS. I believe the TV series "Fighters" an A1 Skyraider was able to shoot down a MIG 17 with its 20mm cannons. The only recorded incident in Vietnam.
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Cool!
"Demolished Modern Jets?" Talk about a CLICKBAIT and phony title!!!
Got to notice let's check it out.
Excellent synopsis! Thank you!