Been watching j wongs streams of marvel. I know he's good but it really shows how huge the gap is! The amount of niche knowledge he knows makes it feel like no one's even getting past the knowledge check to fight the dude.
Oh i fought him alright... i landed one hit/combo. ONE. Edit: upon watching the streams and other stuff, for day one, i learned that this was an above- average result
Its like that with people who are elite at what they do I remember running into Marlin Pie in guilty gear years ago online and I got fried to the point I think I hit two buttons the whole match lol.
"I know he's good" Dude, he's the most decorated fgc player in the world. It's arguable that JWong is the goat but there's no denying he's the best at MvC(2).
Imma have to give it a shot. I love to mash but marvel also has deep strategy amidst the belligerent offense so feels like a match made in heaven for me
@@Jardonius I like X-men VS SF and especially Marvel Super Heroes VS SF over MVC2, as those games are a lot more skill based imo. MVC1 onwards and the series is made in an SF6 style where anyone can win because of how silly the mechanics are.
@@capemron6330 Hey man be chill, I love SF6 and love the "It's basically Guilty Gear" mechanics but different strokes, I respect you... But also thankfully those games are all in the collection anyways so I'll *have* to go appreciate those as well hehe~ When they prove to be too hard I'll go back to Mahvel lmao
@capemron6330 Justin said it's a mashing game not a mashers game. Mashing buttons gives you more hits and damage with most moves. Wouldn't say mvc2 is less skill based as I played with some of the top players back in the day and there's a huge ceiling in the game from casual to good to really good and then pro players.
@@capemron6330 Saying it's less skill based is a silly thing to say considering the same people win all the time. If there was no skill, you'd see more variance in the winners.
I really hope you and all the viewers go watch footage of Duc. He really fought off prime MSPs, Santhrax, team matrix with Spiral. Also probably the best gun ever next to Sanford.
You know what's great and makes me feel old? I'm 41 and grew up playing this game and know most of the ways to win or cheap teams. What's great is to see a large group of people playing this game who are decades behind and have NEVER played this game....while knowing how to do all this stuff myself. I need to hop online ASAP lmao
Yeah. A lot of people don't know how to deal/counter Spiral teams and was surprised he didn't use Doom assist more. Good stuff! I saw the video and was like...Let me check this out.. saw that you wanted to see if you could get 1 win with using Spiral and I had my doubts, but you got the first W and was like... he did it! In this game, if you just LISTEN to others who've played the game for a while, you're going to be alright.
When Justin had him in the corner I was yelling at the top of my lungs "PUSH BLOCK!" But then again, the fact that he did as well as he did with three hours of gameplay. Not bad bro.
I feel like most of the coaching is teaching the general team play style but missing the fundamentals. Things like counter calling assist to punish and take your turn back, push block to stop rush down pressure and things like wave dashing to close distance are fundamental to being good at the game. Its the same for the opponent player, trained to tri jump, rom infinite and 5 fierce, but doesn't know when to jump out of drones, spiral swords and cable zoning. Its kinda like learning all the combos in SF6 in the training mode, but comes actual fight against players, doesn't know when to take your turn, space yourself correctly or punish unsafe moves.
that comes with experience and cant really be taught well in such a small time frame. its better to cover 2/10 things well in the few hours than cover 10/10 things lightly
@@TheSirAshton90 Fair enough, he really didn't have much time but still, some fundamentals can easily be taught by mentioning, without need to practice. Like reminding Dia to push block every jump in or dash in attacks and then super jump out of the corner after a push block instead of doing chicken blocks. Just these two simple moves would help him escape 80% of the pressure he faced in his matches.
@@oldboy65637 Unsafe is not the same as minus. Unsafe means punishable, minus means you recover slower than your opponent but still safe from being punished. Hence, you take your turn first when your opponent is in minus situation. For SF6, its quite easy since majority of the moves in the game is minus. Each character only have one or two normals that are plus on block. You only have to recognize which normals that are plus and you'll know every other normals are minus and you can try to take your turn after blocking them. But generally yes, you have to study and memorize which moves and normals are minus or plus, or straight up punishable. MvC2 is a little more complicated since you can call assist, so even when your opponent is blocking they are technically still "attacking" with their assist. Its more like counter hitting. There is alot more baiting of assist before calling your own involved or not committing to a full rush down so you can recover in time to block or dodge the assist.
I mean, there is limited coach and practice time, and fundamentals are really things that come with time, you can tell someone to pushblock, but it will take time until that actually settles in and becomes natural. It is better to establish a basic gameplan structure of what you should be trying to do (calling swords and basic spiral blockstring structure with assists; basic cable zoning, basic combos in HVB and AHVB looping for damage; pressing jp.HK in their face with Sentinel) so that you understand your win conditions and play to them, rather than trying to teach fundamentals that ultimately need playtime to establish themselves and have the player not have a understandable win condition that can be played to
Feel like what would've helped secure this win 10x more easily is learning two moves for Spiral (swords active) QCF + LK - Spiral will launch her swords in a blossom pattern, zoning out any rushdown opponents. Good at picking a spot and retreating to set up your assist call/future sword activation (air) QCB + Kick - Fast fall. Spiral will suspend her float speed and dash to the ground. Helpful to recover after sj. sword activation Spiral requires a certain level of wit and fluidity but once you activate her moves to help you squeak from danger into safety she can be one of the most annoying and taxing characters to play around in the entire cast
The thing is, JM's tactic was doing work for you. The man could not deal with commando, who did like 90% of the damage in the first half of the round. Very little comboing or hits outside of commando assist jusy slapping.
Im surprised how good he got with such short amount of time to practice, you can see dude got some good instincts on blocking and punishing and he follows up combo into the super moves
To get >5 AHVBs you have to tiger knee, pause for like 2 or 3 frames, then input the beam. The slight pause allows you to jump a little higher so the beam can reach.
jm didn't lie team scrub is an overall stronger gameplan, but you gotta be able to play cable and sentinel. diaphone put all his hours into spiral so sticking with spiral is best
Considering you're a rookie and did well against someone who knows infinites and proper strings your first run was impressive. His Magneto should have never died.
wazzler is the sukuna of mvc2. in 1000 years some shotokan main character scrub will eat one of his arcade fingers and run generational fades. Next shibuya event.
Ive always prefered controller, now that im actually figuring out how to play for real, i think arcade stick might bet better. I think itd be easier mash assist
"Listen: these are the rules"
Perfect
🤣
I actually laughed out loud for that one, indeed perfect
Captain Commando
Pro: amazing assist, one of the best in the game
Con: you run the risk of having to play Captain Commando
Man after watching carefully i think he might be the best assist in the game
That picture of Justin is killing me 😆
justin wrong
@@princesssleepyhead8043 bruh hahahaha
Justin Zhong
Justin Kong
Bustin Wong
The Wazzler
wazz on em
Diaphone: What the fuck? How do I get out of this?
The Wazzler: lol. lmao.
Been watching j wongs streams of marvel. I know he's good but it really shows how huge the gap is! The amount of niche knowledge he knows makes it feel like no one's even getting past the knowledge check to fight the dude.
Oh i fought him alright... i landed one hit/combo. ONE.
Edit: upon watching the streams and other stuff, for day one, i learned that this was an above- average result
@AndrewB383 holy shit that edit LMAO
The unbalance too
Its like that with people who are elite at what they do I remember running into Marlin Pie in guilty gear years ago online and I got fried to the point I think I hit two buttons the whole match lol.
"I know he's good"
Dude, he's the most decorated fgc player in the world. It's arguable that JWong is the goat but there's no denying he's the best at MvC(2).
"It's a mashers game" -Justin Wong
Truer words have never been spoken.
Imma have to give it a shot. I love to mash but marvel also has deep strategy amidst the belligerent offense so feels like a match made in heaven for me
@@Jardonius I like X-men VS SF and especially Marvel Super Heroes VS SF over MVC2, as those games are a lot more skill based imo. MVC1 onwards and the series is made in an SF6 style where anyone can win because of how silly the mechanics are.
@@capemron6330 Hey man be chill, I love SF6 and love the "It's basically Guilty Gear" mechanics but different strokes, I respect you...
But also thankfully those games are all in the collection anyways so I'll *have* to go appreciate those as well hehe~
When they prove to be too hard I'll go back to Mahvel lmao
@capemron6330 Justin said it's a mashing game not a mashers game. Mashing buttons gives you more hits and damage with most moves. Wouldn't say mvc2 is less skill based as I played with some of the top players back in the day and there's a huge ceiling in the game from casual to good to really good and then pro players.
@@capemron6330 Saying it's less skill based is a silly thing to say considering the same people win all the time. If there was no skill, you'd see more variance in the winners.
Lie, cheat, steal. - Papi Eddy
This madman, the skill ceiling is in space and the speed u can move is also insane.
Having J Wong coaching in MVC2 is basically activate the cheat code.
with a gameshark/action replay back in the day
This is cool content. It's why JWong is on the Mount Rushmore of fighting games, his knowledge and understanding is so insane.
I really hope you and all the viewers go watch footage of Duc. He really fought off prime MSPs, Santhrax, team matrix with Spiral. Also probably the best gun ever next to Sanford.
to be fair, Sentinel is really important to all that
@@CMCAdvanced "to be fair" the line of the predditor. Loathsome phrase and people who use it.
You know what's great and makes me feel old? I'm 41 and grew up playing this game and know most of the ways to win or cheap teams. What's great is to see a large group of people playing this game who are decades behind and have NEVER played this game....while knowing how to do all this stuff myself. I need to hop online ASAP lmao
It wasn't enough the Wazzler made dokibird a grappler beast, he now creates a Spiral monster!
More videos like this, please. I'm learning a lot
The wazzler has come for you too
now i am become machine, destroyer of healthbars
I swear to god I commented this on a different video
Yeah. A lot of people don't know how to deal/counter Spiral teams and was surprised he didn't use Doom assist more. Good stuff! I saw the video and was like...Let me check this out.. saw that you wanted to see if you could get 1 win with using Spiral and I had my doubts, but you got the first W and was like... he did it! In this game, if you just LISTEN to others who've played the game for a while, you're going to be alright.
Diaphone's videos have such sick production quality, I've never touched Marvel but I'll watch this for days
Calling Justin as a teacher is like calling the orange gigantic muscle dog of the meme haha,he play badass.
As someone whos learning mvc2 and really wants to put spiral on my team this is a godsend
DucDo/DucVader
Seeing diaphone play his first match was do nerve racking even for me LOL ive never played this game but i can definitely see the hype
The best coach in the world and JMcrofts* fixed it
Right? I feel like JM gave him way more useful info
Good job in the tourney! Spiral lives !!
the wazzler final boss mvc2
When Justin had him in the corner I was yelling at the top of my lungs "PUSH BLOCK!" But then again, the fact that he did as well as he did with three hours of gameplay. Not bad bro.
I feel like most of the coaching is teaching the general team play style but missing the fundamentals. Things like counter calling assist to punish and take your turn back, push block to stop rush down pressure and things like wave dashing to close distance are fundamental to being good at the game. Its the same for the opponent player, trained to tri jump, rom infinite and 5 fierce, but doesn't know when to jump out of drones, spiral swords and cable zoning.
Its kinda like learning all the combos in SF6 in the training mode, but comes actual fight against players, doesn't know when to take your turn, space yourself correctly or punish unsafe moves.
that comes with experience and cant really be taught well in such a small time frame. its better to cover 2/10 things well in the few hours than cover 10/10 things lightly
@@TheSirAshton90 Fair enough, he really didn't have much time but still, some fundamentals can easily be taught by mentioning, without need to practice. Like reminding Dia to push block every jump in or dash in attacks and then super jump out of the corner after a push block instead of doing chicken blocks. Just these two simple moves would help him escape 80% of the pressure he faced in his matches.
dumb noob question but how do you know when to take your turn in 6? is it just memorizing which specific moves from each character are unsafe?
@@oldboy65637 Unsafe is not the same as minus. Unsafe means punishable, minus means you recover slower than your opponent but still safe from being punished. Hence, you take your turn first when your opponent is in minus situation.
For SF6, its quite easy since majority of the moves in the game is minus. Each character only have one or two normals that are plus on block. You only have to recognize which normals that are plus and you'll know every other normals are minus and you can try to take your turn after blocking them. But generally yes, you have to study and memorize which moves and normals are minus or plus, or straight up punishable.
MvC2 is a little more complicated since you can call assist, so even when your opponent is blocking they are technically still "attacking" with their assist. Its more like counter hitting. There is alot more baiting of assist before calling your own involved or not committing to a full rush down so you can recover in time to block or dodge the assist.
I mean, there is limited coach and practice time, and fundamentals are really things that come with time, you can tell someone to pushblock, but it will take time until that actually settles in and becomes natural. It is better to establish a basic gameplan structure of what you should be trying to do (calling swords and basic spiral blockstring structure with assists; basic cable zoning, basic combos in HVB and AHVB looping for damage; pressing jp.HK in their face with Sentinel) so that you understand your win conditions and play to them, rather than trying to teach fundamentals that ultimately need playtime to establish themselves and have the player not have a understandable win condition that can be played to
mvc2 may be the most incomprehensible fighting game to me but i still love watching it for some reason
the ken akuma helicopter kick is sick!!
Feel like what would've helped secure this win 10x more easily is learning two moves for Spiral
(swords active) QCF + LK - Spiral will launch her swords in a blossom pattern, zoning out any rushdown opponents. Good at picking a spot and retreating to set up your assist call/future sword activation
(air) QCB + Kick - Fast fall. Spiral will suspend her float speed and dash to the ground. Helpful to recover after sj. sword activation
Spiral requires a certain level of wit and fluidity but once you activate her moves to help you squeak from danger into safety she can be one of the most annoying and taxing characters to play around in the entire cast
what I have learned from this video is that I am too stupid to play sentinel
The thing is, JM's tactic was doing work for you. The man could not deal with commando, who did like 90% of the damage in the first half of the round. Very little comboing or hits outside of commando assist jusy slapping.
Im surprised how good he got with such short amount of time to practice, you can see dude got some good instincts on blocking and punishing and he follows up combo into the super moves
To get >5 AHVBs you have to tiger knee, pause for like 2 or 3 frames, then input the beam. The slight pause allows you to jump a little higher so the beam can reach.
Diaphone brought a SHMUP to a Fighting Game tourney
Lol his face during the match, he was really concentrating
Justin coaching is op, one time I was losing to someone in ST then he coached me and i beat that guy 2-0 in tourney
9:25 my entire marvel experience growing up
This is so funny to see the old Viper Viper Hyper still wreaking havoc. My friends hated Cable more than any other character back in the day.
Love this guy💯
That title did jam croft dirty
amazing video, mvc2 is such an awesome game
This Wazzler guy is pretty good, he should play competitively
Damn that logic by Jwong about being the #2 Spiral in the whole world 🤣
jm didn't lie team scrub is an overall stronger gameplan, but you gotta be able to play cable and sentinel. diaphone put all his hours into spiral so sticking with spiral is best
i cant fckng concentrate that portrait stares to my soul🤣
Does anyone know where the tune at 22:47 is from?
Tapped into the tome of wisdom, I was having a problem on how to IHVB after that roundhouse with Cable.
damn i never seen that 109 hit cable super combo was ill
GOT THE SET! RESPECC 👊
=)
Watching someone do 3 HVB in a row after 6 hours of playing makes me really think about life
The wazzler as a coach!? Goated
This was amazing
I got a SF6 tournament soon yet MVC2 has me hooked lol
Can you please list your music used on this video? A song played that unlocked core memories as a child and i cant remember what game its from.
In particular the song vs D4she
@@anitaaliases the song vs d4she is "livin on the deck" from the game metal slug
You gonna learn today
Considering you're a rookie and did well against someone who knows infinites and proper strings your first run was impressive. His Magneto should have never died.
song at 15:30 ?
Breh I hope you enter another in like a month, already kind of nice with Spiral
The Wazzler 😮
Is Justin Wong the Wazzler? I played him once on the Switch. Let’s just say, i was embarrassed 😂. I was Cyclops Iceman and Cable.
For 6 hrs gameplay, quite amazing
this game is ADHD Simulator (2024 remaster)
Diaphone you handsome bastard, is there anything you can't do?
teaching a new player how sentinel works is wild. Good luck lololol
MvC2 is my childhood, and I wasn't even into fighting games.
I didn’t even know unfly was a glitch. The knowledge checks in this game is crazy.
So how do you get past that block string lol
Every time this game gets a re-release, the online meta changes. Looks like the online scrub meta team is BB Hood, Colossus, Akuma/Ken. assist.
i love your gamer face, its very similar to mine XD
Is that Justin in the concord game?
It's sad that my brain can't handle versus games specially mvc games
Not sad at all. These games have so much going on
25:32 this is the heart of MvC2: mashing for that little extra dmg
I play spiral bro we need to run the 1's
How many different containers u gonna drink out of 😂😂
wazzler is the sukuna of mvc2. in 1000 years some shotokan main character scrub will eat one of his arcade fingers and run generational fades. Next shibuya event.
can you post a link to the actual full tournament VOD?
edit: nvm found it th-cam.com/video/Wvs_fLQqIhM/w-d-xo.html
10:50
"How do I get out of this?!"
"That's the neat thing, you don't" - Justin Wong.
I've been playing this game wrong all these years. Wrong Wrong Wrong. It took Wong to show me I'm wrong
Wrong doesn't feel like a word anymore
I don't think a video has ever made me want to play a game less lol
😂. Say you don't mean it! I feel the same about the legacy anime games. Arcsys and lesser known stuff. Granblue and DNF were fun though
You gotta at least buy the game to get a Wazzler refund credit.
The number 2 spiral in the world is mike infinite
Ive always prefered controller, now that im actually figuring out how to play for real, i think arcade stick might bet better. I think itd be easier mash assist
justin the wazzler than diaphone the diazzler
You had max super meter for so long lol 😂
Has anyone seen Justin Wong and Wazzler in the same room?
Its fair if both players hv a coach
Magneto really is just teleporting and shit.
Hmm, not the "I used the most degenerate character then lose the tournament with it" kind of vibe ~ 😂😂😂
i was rooting the entire time, sick matches
JMcrofts😂😂😂😂 as a coach
Damn what a sweat first match already someone using the best team in the game lol
How do I get out.... justin: hahahaha
creepy aaaa justin AI image
Hyper Viper Beam
Cornermen FTW.
The rerelease of MvC2 has reminded me all over again how little I respect Magneto players
Cheating with the Wazzler
To answer the question, I think Marvel won.
Spiral Cable Sentinel is my team :(
The guard break is cheap
This whole game is cheap... lol, jwong loves that shit
The game is mad broken. But that's what people like and wanted so bad to see returning, so...