Great video Tina. I was in Petra for 5 days and that was barely enough time to give it a cursory examination of some of the anomalies at the site the place was so enormous. It was almost like being in the Grand Canyon but covered in facades. There are other strange features beyond the fine machine marks you posted. There is another tool they used where some of the rooms and walls were cut with a giant butter knife. I can't think of any other word to describe it. Almost perfectly smooth walls with only the sandstone texture as it's main feature. No tool marks at all. Sometimes giant cuts are made with an apparent non-sensical purpose. And by the way, that sandstone is HARD. I first tried breaking some with my hand and it was impossible. Then I tried hitting it with another rock and it barely did anything to the surface. It's not typical sandstone. National Geographic did a special on Petra and they had 2 experienced stone carvers attempt to make a simple 1/4 scale Petra facade in Malibu at a location where the sandstone is softer and they simply could not replicate them the way archeologist presumed. Their hands were becoming bloody stumps. They ended up resorting to power tools just to get it finished. It looked like crap compared to the ones in Petra. During my trip I befriended a Bedouin guide and he took me to various areas unfrequented by regular tourist. The facades go much farther out from the main road than most people realize. We also climbed to the top of the Monastary, a truly breathtaking structure in size and beauty. You don't put that much effort into carving something like that unless it had a very special purpose. Most likely it was intended for people of a much larger stature. Why would a human being today build something with an oversized scale? They wouldn't. The ergonomics just don't fit. It would be an enormous wasted effort. Petra is truly a strange, huge, mysterious place. I'm only scratching the surface of my experiences there. I just wished I could've stayed for a several months instead of just 5 days.
Wow that's great information! Thank you so much for sharing with me!. I really envy you being able to stay there for 5 days (and that's not even enough!) I would love to visit the amazing site someday and stay for a while. I agree that the magnificent structures at Petra were created for very special purposes. I see that many cave doors are very tall and oversized. Maybe they were made for larger people... Again, thank you a lot for sharing your insights! ♥
@@CuriousBeingbyTina and anyone else reading, I recommend 2 hotels. The Movenpick or the Petra Guest House. They're both right at the entrance to the park, the Movenpick being slightly farther up the street. The Petra Guest House builders actually used a real facade as part of the hotel. I stayed at the Movenpick. A gorgeous and fully accommodating place for your base of operations. The reason for these 2 recommendations? The Siq is a long walk. Everyday you go into the park you must walk a mile or so just to get to the Treasury, which is the first major structure you see. A truly spectacular experience but a long walk to get there. The Last Crusade barely gives it justice. The rest of the park goes for miles and miles past the Treasury. The Monastary is farther in and is another long climb up the mountain. Fortunately my Bedouin guide let me borrow his all-terrain donkey to get us there (for a price of course) but in the end it saved me a lot of energy to do other things. Save up and get in good shape folks. What an amazing place to visit and study! Oh and BTW, the Jordanians second language is English!
@@reugeot9058 Thank you very much for these tips! I'll keep them in mind when I plan the visit 🙂 Very nice to hear that Jordan's second language is English! Thank you!
Thank you for the video Tina, fascinating stuff! My feeling is that Petra predates the great Younger Dryas great flood. It strikes me that no one has gone into detail (or detailed speculation) regarding the visible flood markings on all outside walls in Petra. It is as if the lower 1/5 of the facade has been scraped off. This was no ordinary flooding.
Thank you Nat. I agree that Petra could be much older. The lower potions of the facade do look like heavily eroded, however the site is over 800 m above sea level and pretty hilly. I would assume even during flash floods water would have drained away quickly...
Something causes the oceans to wash over the continents about every 6k years or so, the evidence for this is all over the planet. We just don't know what causes it, but I have a feeling we are about to find out first hand. I also have a feeling it has something to do with our solar system.
@@CuriousBeingbyTina This actually makes sense with Earth's pole flips. That would have put Petra in a different latitude/longitude at one (or more) points in time depending on its actual age. You see the same erosion with the Great Sphinx in Egypt on its lower portion
Good luck with your channel! I hope it grows fast. We need more people like you and the other you tubers who will help people wake up realize our past is more complicated than we've been taught
It's too bad we couldn't have more intellectually curious, and smart people like you in the archeological field. Your work, and conclusions are solid, and logical.
@@orlandoblanco6969 I firmly believe that's true in a lot of cases. I hate to ascribe all this suppression to evil. The problem is I don't have another explanation that is worthwhile.
@Joseph Tutor she makes sense, but her evidence is outstanding, whereas a lot of the crackpot theories that say pyramids are tombs, or any number of other theories about ancient megalithic, etc, usually don't show proof, or even plausible logic trains to back up their theories.
Joseph tutor I have seen 100 year old hevey equipment that is completely rusted into nothing recognizable. In a 1,000 years 2,000 years 10,000 years? The equipment that Tina is suggesting might have been used would be gone and before that moved to a new site after a given job was finished.
Great research and analysis. Your video seems to be the first to put Petra into its proper archaeological context. It does seem to fall into place with the other high-tech excavations you have documented world wide. Thank you!
My goodness Tina! You sure do your research. I think you have the best questions ( more than most ) of all alternative theories and research! Keep up the good work! I believe, by the way, that alternative archaeology and research is just as reliable and valid as our current text book “excepted history “ suggests. No one knows for sure. A lot of lost history. 😊👍
I really enjoyed your video. Also you revealed the comparison to Hegra that I did not see before. Your video is sooo much more interesting that the respected Anchient Architects channel on TH-cam that claimed Petra was mostly the work of the Romans!!! A while back when you made those videos about the ancient caves in China with the toolmarks I shared with you the image on a Brien Foerster video shot in "Little Petra". Here you could see these toolmarks ending their streak with a hump. You can see here that the rock was like mud or butter that was being scraped in shape. I wish you had included this in your video. These tools are the same as the ones in the Chinese caves and at some sites in Egypt. Once again thanks for your video. I wonder what will be next.
Thank you! I plan to do a separate Petra video on the tool marks you shared with me :-) I saved images from that Brien Foerster's video on Little Petra with tool marks look melted at the ends. I've been collecting images on close-up shots of Petra and a few other sites and I'm hoping to find similar "melted" details at various megalithic ruins. I'm still working on it. Thank you very much for sharing the video with me - I've been thinking about it all along!
This is brilliant! Thanks for all the research. Petra is much higher quality than the rest. It's like Egypt, the oldest people had the most sophisticated architecture. When are you going to travel to some of these places and do some livestreams with closeups?
Another wonderful presentation thank you.. I hope you know how much your work is valued and will be valuable for many years to come.. I have learned much from you and for that I am truly grateful.
Glad to see your hard at work. It’s been awhile. Points to ponder. Everything with columns and Doric arches is called Hellenistic. Thus dating is largely by form in relation to historic Greece and what we think we know of that history. We see a very wide distribution of Hellenistic form geographically. Much wider than the Greeks were known to have traveled. Therefore this suggests an older culture which had archetypal designs adopted by the Greeks as well as these other cultures. The cut rock striations support this same conclusion as well. You discussed thermoluminesense dating in a previous video. It’s a good technique on fired pottery, not so good on sun exposed rock. One analytical technique we don’t often see is geomagnetic orientation applied to such sites. The usual application is in dating sedimentary or igneous rock formations by identifying the alignment of magnetic crystals to the earths magnetic field, which processes geographically on a know pattern. This technique is well defined. But it won’t tell you when a rock was cut. Only when it was formed. Now many sites like Petra have been found to contain small patches of plaster or mortar. Initially it was thought that these stone works were totally mortar-less. And to a large degree they are. However, recent close inspection reveals errors in cutting and fitting which appear to have been “fixed” with mortar, presumably by the initial builders. Testing of this mortar might very well yield magnetic orientation data on age. I know of only one case where this was done. By a Russian team working one of the Peruvian megalithic sites. The published age was dismissed by the majority. Mortar sampling is generally frowned upon due to the destructive nature of the sampling process. So. Here we sit in catch-22. We “feel” that these sites are older. But can’t prove it by existing technology, and we are not allowed to test a bit here and there for fear of diminishing the site. Or the accepted date upon which numerous professional reputations rest. So we can but speculate. Fox out.
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@@CuriousBeingbyTina I recently watched a video about the history of Mecca, and they showed an ancient split to which in times long past that Petra was the city where the mosques were originally aligned...and now obviously it is not. But from some still existing qibla walls can be traced on a map to Petra.
Tina, you ask the right questions, notice the unnoticed and bring it to light, never daring say what you're thinking and leading us to think. Wonderful !! "You can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink." You drown out disbelievers with images, truth, following a soft spoken yet undeniable narrative. Congratulations on producing an "eye opener".!!
A remarkable water system in Petra is under reported in the media. The climate at Petra when it was built must have been cooler and wetter as agriculture to grow crops for the population occurred. I haven't seen any documentation about population density at Petra or information on burial practices of the general population.
Good points, William. Thank you for sharing with me. I agree that Petra's water system is under reported. I'll see if I can find some information on the population and burial practices in ancient Petra :-)
I am suprised that no one to date has taken accurate measurements of some of the features of buildings. For example, how round and linear are the columns? What is the tolerance difference between similar columns etc. Also, how square are the corners in the caves? Such information would assist the debate about how they were made and with what tools.
Given the cavernous interior spaces in Petra, it might be that these interiors were fitted out with interior constructions made of wood or other materials. These might provide multi level living spaces of more human sizes. Also, such interior structures might have been more solid and stable than a similar excavation of rock which could be prone to collapse.
Thank you for your insight, Olaf. I appreciate it. I agree that some of the big caves show evidence of being multi leveled and might have been finished with other materials.
Tina thank You for tons of informations, everything about Hegra is new for me . Thanks, Good Work.This is IT . Amazing video, uses of photos, good choices. You are STAR! Tina Curious Being Jones ! :) / You know , Indiana :)/ Still Curious and looking for Hidden Ancient Machine ! Must be somewhere and waiting for You ! You will find it, fingers cross for You !:)
@@CuriousBeingbyTina you are not only curious; you are a Beautiful Being. May all your endeavors be prosperous. I had no idea there is so much to discover UNDERground. How fascinating.
Great Research Tina, you have brought forward many things in this video that all other pseudo-researchers have completely missed and I applaud you for it. From the many videos I have seen on Petra, I observe that many facades could easily be fake-chiseled render. The evidence is there, just as it is all over the world at other sites.. Creating those perfect parallel chisel marks is very easy to accomplish with a jagged toothed wooden trowel, this gives perfect flat surfaces and parallel markings. Archeaologists are not builders, that havent got a clue!
You have enriched yourself and cultured yourself by your choice of resesrch and methods. Very smart focus. Truely awesome monuments of what must have an amazing culture of people. Thanx4sharing your richness with us. You are a very special angel, and I love your voice.
And then there is Kailasa Temple in Ellora, Maharashtra, India. Ellora Caves - 34 monasteries and temples, extending over more than 2 km, were dug side by side in the wall of a high basalt cliffs. BASALT FOR HEAVENS SAKE!
It's my opinion that the differences in the quality of the stone work, would be that the machinery and knowledge to operate it, was lost, buried, destroyed or repurposed between both sites over the eons. Of course the natural fracturing in the stone facades of the monuments, as well as weathering from centuries of environmental occurrences surely had a part in it's appearance today.
Good work. I very much agree and don't understand why no serious work is done on these sites. Apparently there was a group of giant humans living at the time where they built All these giant places. There is one carving of a camel the size of a whole mountain in a recent archaeology report.
Hi Tina. When I look at all of the stone structures in the world I wonder why. Why build like this. I think it was easy. I don't know how they did it, but it was easy. Your work with the machine marks is spot on. Keep being curious. Thank you for the great content.
You can see damage from the floods in Petra noticed the wear on the stones... In the lower areas the other thing I’ve been pondering is the Younger driest event..I believe the meteors/coment Musta hit 40 days later or in between that’s why it’s so significant 40 days and 40 nights 40 days 40 that it has some significant
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@@CuriousBeingbyTina It's just such a beautiful site, the wonder it invokes....Tina there's just so much on this giant earth, and we, each so small, have been the hands that built forth all these creations. There's something so beautiful that's been lost- we've really came into a technological greatness of our own time period......but the ancients truly had something my heart yearns for so long.....it seems thou they had much more fullfilling life's and worked towards so thru all of their lasting things they've left us.
Love this video I am one those who believe than rather carved these buildings were made out of a different material than rather hardened after a sudden change in conditions like extreme heat or other The real history of our planet has been hidden in order to manipulate people There are possibly layers upon layers of many civilisations, some of which we won’t know I had dreams of being in a place like Petra which lead me to be fascinated by it I also believe it was the original Mecca and much more The nabateans possibly lived there but didn’t built it It was already there As usual your intuition is your compass
What if Petra, the Sphinx, the Pyramids, Atlantis and those cities in Peru, etc were all built by a very ancient race of people who had learned how to manipulate stone? Later these were discovered by the local tribes which used them as their own? I'd like to see you do a video about the great Mystics, who are so mysterious perfect for a curious being.
Thank you Stephen. I made a series of videos on my hypotheses on the underground Osiris Shaft, the Pyramids and Sphinx.Hope to hear your feedback on them. The Osiris Shaft: 1. The Underground Complex: the Giza Osiris Shaft Created by a Lost Advanced Civilization? th-cam.com/video/GloDq_h7yLg/w-d-xo.html 2. The Osiris Shaft: Part of a Prehistory Mine from a Lost Civilization? th-cam.com/video/JuGt7JEWT6E/w-d-xo.html Egyptian Pyramids: 1. The Great Pyramid was Not a Power Plant but perhaps Something Totally Unexpected th-cam.com/video/ztkWo8g49S8/w-d-xo.html 2. A Provocative Theory: Giza Pyramids as a Lost Civilization's Mining Waste Storage Site? th-cam.com/video/tFzd2z0Rr1U/w-d-xo.html 3. Great Pyramid: Let's Double Check the Mathematics & Star Alignment Claims th-cam.com/video/nPswBtmQKD8/w-d-xo.html 4. Prehistoric Mining: What was Mined on the Giza Plateau? th-cam.com/video/y6ShuJdzDS0/w-d-xo.html 5. The True Purpose of the Great Pyramid's Interior System?! th-cam.com/video/BYr6HbEjS7w/w-d-xo.html 6. The Secret Enigma of the Egyptian Pyramids’ Interior th-cam.com/video/hxWEWUsvcS4/w-d-xo.html 7. Egyptian Pyramids Reveal Acid Mine Drainage Stains? th-cam.com/video/-QyIJ-w-8vc/w-d-xo.html 8. Egyptian Pyramids & the Impact of a Green vs Desert Sahara th-cam.com/video/8CVetiox04c/w-d-xo.html 9. Questioning the Luminescence Dating Result of the Giza Pyramid th-cam.com/video/gFBC8DJ5mZ0/w-d-xo.html The Sphinx: Great Sphinx: Buried Secret Exposed th-cam.com/video/0YoM4W5W0pg/w-d-xo.html
Great video. This place Petra has always stumped me a little more than other megalithic sites. Egypt,Gobekli Tepe, sites in South America all seem to have reliefs of animals or people or hybrids of both. Even the Sumerians had chariots. This place almost reminds me of those plain white clay figurines you get from an art store to decorate as your own but was never finished. I don't think there is even any evidence of paint anywhere. Seems like a lot of work not to personalize it.
Thank you. Like you, I haven't seen animal reliefs in Petra either though I received a message from some who stayed in Petra for 5 days - "There are many sculptures of birds, horses, and lions (in Petra). There are also people with wings. Most of them are broken or badly eroded. Many are in the Petra museum at the site." I'll try to find photos of these reliefs online.
@@cspencer3421 You are more than welcome. I found some photos of the animal and people themed artifacts in the Petra Museum. It seems that at least some of these items were made during the Roman time and may not represent the original Petra style.
New subscriber here, and a bit of an art history/architecture nerd; I have never seen, at least in my research and meandering, the use of pediments as in Petra. At 1:37, top left pediment, it’s folded along its vertical axis, but in unfolding it, the design and architecture isn’t lost, and it maintains continuity and its geometry until reaching the stone on which its carved.
Thank you and Welcome 😊 Keen observation on Petra's pediments! I agree that the folded and continuous feature is quite unusual for broken pediments. I can't recall seeing another one outside Petra.
Has me wondering that because of the dry climate in those areas, they would have found actual graves of the people of that time by now. As they would have been very well preserved and done DNA to figure out who those people were. But of course, there's always a cover up because they don't really want us to know...
What I thought, and it may be true, is that there is no such thing as the Nabataeans, but it is the second civilization of Aad (Thamud) who moved from the center of the Arabian Peninsula to Al-Ula. Hypothetical may be true because Petra was more elegant and beautiful and nations are progressing and not the other way around And Mada’in Saleh is known to be from the Thamud civilization, not in the many evidences of the Arabs, whether from the people of Al-Ula or historians or the biography of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh or the texts of the Qur’an that there are some inferences that it is from the civilization of Thamud, etc.. The first civilization of Aad is the people of the Prophet Hud who were tormented by God for their sins and the Muslims moved from them to the Hijaz, specifically Al-Ula, which is the second civilization of Aad (Thamud).
Excellent and thought provoking video as always. Your description of the interior rooms of that one structure in Petra (three rooms and a main room) reminds me of the top of some South and Central American pyramids. I wonder if they served that same possible purposes?
Thank you Yeti! I didn't know that the American pyramids have similar interior plans with the Treasury. I'll look them up - thanks for the information :-)
I personally think that Petra was built pre-flood and by a different people than what built Hegra Ones that built Hegra IMHO possibly copied various things from Petra (after they had found or seen it) A lot of Archaeologists assume they know who built what and when even when they do not have any idea and there is no evidence to suggest who built it or when Same for when Archaeologists find a building that they have no idea what it was used for, they automatically assume it was a Tomb or temple
Thank you Patrick. I agree that Petra could be a much more ancient site and Hegra caves were created to imitate the Petra style. Most archaeologists are bounded to the traditional timeline and mentality and wouldn't consider otherwise.
I agree. IIRC, the Nabataeans were more of a tent culture, and they would re-use whatever structures were found in an area. When they lived in Petra, it was probably draped all over with tent cloth, rope lines, and tent poles. As for who cut the stone chambers at Petra, I assume it was the mysterious people who cut the chambers we find all over the world. As for who carved the smooth stone facades at Petra, that's maybe more difficult to narrow down. While people cite Greek or Roman influence, I see a general Indo-European influence. It's like a blend of what we see in Greece, Italy, Persia, and India. We know that in Middle Kingdom times the Hittites and Mitanni were Indo-European tribes living to the north, in the modern lands of Turkey and Syria. Perhaps there was a group of IE people living in Petra, possibly closer to the 2500 BC mark, and they are the ones who carved the facades. This time frame would fit in with the climate changes happening between 3500-2000 BC, with the drying climate in the Middle East, the loss of the great pastures to desert, and thus the emphasis on water retention strategies at Petra that presumably eventually failed. This would be in the era of the people mentioned in Sumerian texts as the Magan, Makkan, or Mecca people. These were a copper and diorite mining people, and a ship building people, who were probably related to the people of the Indus valley at the time, which would be in the era of the Indo-Europeans. Since they were traders, it's possible Petra was a trading station between Egypt and the Persian Gulf, a place for caravans to stop, rest, and replenish supplies of food and water. Petra is located directly west of the trading cities at the mouth of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, and directly east of Cairo. You'd want a place to stop for food and water between the two deserts. Petra is also just to the east of the Jordan River, which runs south to the Red Sea.
Interesting points - thank you for sharing with me. Much appreciated! I agree that Petra's creators might be related to the other stone carving culture(s) around the world. I'll search for the ancient cultures in that region and see if they have left some written clues. Thank you again!
@@CuriousBeingbyTina FWIW, I don't think Magan / Makkan / Mecca was centered at Petra. I think that was just a trading station, like the caravanserai of the Silk Road era. Magan was probably located more in the vicinity of Bandar Abbas, the islands south of that, on the tip of Oman, and also west to the region of Bahrain and Qatar. I think they were controlling trade through the straits, and acting as middle men for trading civilizations further to the east. I think the trade routes in 2500 BC were more far flung than most scholars currently accept. And why wouldn't they be, if the IE speaking peoples were expanding in every direction during that time? They could very easily maintain trade over distances, because they knew each other. I don't know how much you know about that era, but in general 2500 BC saw the IE people invade into Ireland (as Celts), Britain (as Gaels), Spain (as Gaels), Greece (as Mycenaeans), Turkey (as Hittites), Persia (as Parsi and Guti), India (as Aryans and Jats), and China (as Xia). Or something like that. And it looks like the invasion of India almost immediately pushed east into southeast Asia, south into Indonesia, and probably hit a trading frontier at Australia and Japan. The general view of archaeologists, of course, is that at this time Egypt and Mesopotamia were the centers of culture, with maybe something going on in India, and very early things in China. It's heavily colored, IMO, by Victorian science and views. But by now we should be figuring out that all we're seeing with that old view is the tip of the iceberg.
FWIW, I want to make clear I'm not saying the facades at Petra MUST be older than assumed. Stylistically, they do look more modern than ancient. The triangular lintels, for instance, and the motif of the pediment being broken by a dome shape. That points to a post-classical style. The row of dots on the structure - imitating wooden log ends - are like those found in Crete, which is an older style, and the capitals of the pillars suggest they are modeled after pillars with wooden tops ... but I don't know what culture used pillar capitals like that. Persian? The dome type structure suggests a later central Asian type influence. Rock-cut architecture is found in Egypt, India, and southwest Asia, but not so much in the Hellenic world. So it's confusing. It could be a fairly modern mish-mash of styles, or it could be a more ancient style, like 2500 BC, if we consider that maybe there were common wood-working motifs that were implemented in stone once the IE people moved south into regions where stone work for important buildings was more commonly done. And we of course do not have any sufficiently ancient wooden structures that we can look at for stylistic comparisons. Adding to the confusion ... since we're already considering that some of the interiors might belong to the ancient mining culture, and the facades come later ... it's possible that some of the facade comes from one period, and changes to the facade were made in later periods. Like, let's say those pillars originally had Hindu-like figures sculpted upon them. Well, a culture coming in after that period might decide to chisel those off and go with a smooth stone surface instead. The Greek pediment broken by the dome could be the result of a later culture resculpting to put their own stylistic mark on the structure. When we look at the attention given to conducting water ... again, this might point to commonality with the ancient Cretan culture, which did have "advanced" water systems. But "advanced" water systems also existed in ancient India. So it seems possible that if there is a connection, it might be coming from India across the Arabic peninsula to Crete ...? We just don't know.
I'm also more ancient than assumed! Good to see you back for another interesting history lesson! I've also just followed you on twitter. And gave your first tweet an RT.
I think your hypothesis may be right with the available evidence, not always appreciated in some circles. Many things do not add up if you analyse what's available, and what's revealed by closer inspection. Great channel content thanks 😉 👍
I'm disappointed. It took youtube a week to suggest the latest video from the Wonderful Tina? That's not right. I'm sure I'll get over it, I can listen to your beautiful voice any time!
@@CuriousBeingbyTina Very much so, Thank you. The thing that always gets me about the major works at Petra, is the huge door ways? Was it for a big person? I think not, the rooms are small, a giant wouldn't have much space. But what if it was for something big that didn't need to move around at all? The smaller constructions look like living spaces and merchant areas. But the big , grand spaces with elaborate facade? What could they have put in there that required a doorway of that size and what made it so important? Most important, where did it go and why is there no evidence of it. Did it fly away or something? Just my two cents. Be well Tina.
I had never before seen the interiors of Petra, but then again, I never researched Petra. Thank you for the look inside. I am still convinced that a race of great stone masons lived on Earth, Eons ago and either bugged out just before the Younger Dryas or before then. Why they did what they did, only "they" know.
Thank you Pope. I, too, think there was an advanced culture with amazing stone-related skills a long long time ago... that's why we find these megalithic sites all over the world.
I just discovered your page today. I can’t help but wonder if the books that Zecharia Sitchin wrote about the Anunnaki could answer some of the questions that you have. Good luck on your journey!
Well Done 👍 Perhaps the individuals that built Petra, were taller. Concerning the materials removed during construction. Possibly recycled,,, pottery, roads, bricks, maybe used to smooth exterior walls or as glazing. Out of the box thinking ,,, maybe to generate some form of energy . Or they had the ability to atomize/ disintegrate,,, excess debris. Keep up the Excellent Quality Thank You R. Everett Fadden
Hello my lovely, I've been away for a time. I read the essays of Montaigne and he describes an account of travellers who visited Bhagdad who were told by the priests that they had records going back 225000 years continuously, without any break in the timeline. - Stay lovely Tina!
The stone work in Petra is very similar to the Osireion, in Egypt. Both have no original inscriptions, I have no doubt that both are megalithic and of YD age or even older.
You raise a very interesting questions, two resonate with me. First, why the scale dufference between them? Secondly, why the ' newer ' ones of less quality? In our current society, we have gone from log cabins to highrises and anyone can see the progression, not regression, of styles and teqniques to acomplish them. As to the question that undoubtedly arises, where is the rock from within, it may be as simple as literal sands of the deserts.
Thank you Steven. Naqsh-e Rostam is a very impressive site too with ancient reliefs and inscriptions. These rock cut tombs seem to be similar to Hegra's scale.
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Wow I had no idea how big the monastery was until you pointed out the size comparison with people standing by or on it.
Great video Tina. I was in Petra for 5 days and that was barely enough time to give it a cursory examination of some of the anomalies at the site the place was so enormous. It was almost like being in the Grand Canyon but covered in facades. There are other strange features beyond the fine machine marks you posted. There is another tool they used where some of the rooms and walls were cut with a giant butter knife. I can't think of any other word to describe it. Almost perfectly smooth walls with only the sandstone texture as it's main feature. No tool marks at all. Sometimes giant cuts are made with an apparent non-sensical purpose. And by the way, that sandstone is HARD. I first tried breaking some with my hand and it was impossible. Then I tried hitting it with another rock and it barely did anything to the surface. It's not typical sandstone. National Geographic did a special on Petra and they had 2 experienced stone carvers attempt to make a simple 1/4 scale Petra facade in Malibu at a location where the sandstone is softer and they simply could not replicate them the way archeologist presumed. Their hands were becoming bloody stumps. They ended up resorting to power tools just to get it finished. It looked like crap compared to the ones in Petra.
During my trip I befriended a Bedouin guide and he took me to various areas unfrequented by regular tourist. The facades go much farther out from the main road than most people realize. We also climbed to the top of the Monastary, a truly breathtaking structure in size and beauty. You don't put that much effort into carving something like that unless it had a very special purpose. Most likely it was intended for people of a much larger stature. Why would a human being today build something with an oversized scale? They wouldn't. The ergonomics just don't fit. It would be an enormous wasted effort. Petra is truly a strange, huge, mysterious place. I'm only scratching the surface of my experiences there. I just wished I could've stayed for a several months instead of just 5 days.
Wow that's great information! Thank you so much for sharing with me!. I really envy you being able to stay there for 5 days (and that's not even enough!) I would love to visit the amazing site someday and stay for a while. I agree that the magnificent structures at Petra were created for very special purposes. I see that many cave doors are very tall and oversized. Maybe they were made for larger people... Again, thank you a lot for sharing your insights! ♥
@@CuriousBeingbyTina and anyone else reading, I recommend 2 hotels. The Movenpick or the Petra Guest House. They're both right at the entrance to the park, the Movenpick being slightly farther up the street. The Petra Guest House builders actually used a real facade as part of the hotel. I stayed at the Movenpick. A gorgeous and fully accommodating place for your base of operations. The reason for these 2 recommendations? The Siq is a long walk. Everyday you go into the park you must walk a mile or so just to get to the Treasury, which is the first major structure you see. A truly spectacular experience but a long walk to get there. The Last Crusade barely gives it justice. The rest of the park goes for miles and miles past the Treasury. The Monastary is farther in and is another long climb up the mountain. Fortunately my Bedouin guide let me borrow his all-terrain donkey to get us there (for a price of course) but in the end it saved me a lot of energy to do other things. Save up and get in good shape folks. What an amazing place to visit and study! Oh and BTW, the Jordanians second language is English!
@@reugeot9058 Thank you very much for these tips! I'll keep them in mind when I plan the visit 🙂 Very nice to hear that Jordan's second language is English! Thank you!
Thank you for the video Tina, fascinating stuff! My feeling is that Petra predates the great Younger Dryas great flood. It strikes me that no one has gone into detail (or detailed speculation) regarding the visible flood markings on all outside walls in Petra. It is as if the lower 1/5 of the facade has been scraped off. This was no ordinary flooding.
Thank you Nat. I agree that Petra could be much older. The lower potions of the facade do look like heavily eroded, however the site is over 800 m above sea level and pretty hilly. I would assume even during flash floods water would have drained away quickly...
Indeed. The event/comet that led to Younger Dryus melted these massive buildings. Including those in the Grand Canyon.
Something causes the oceans to wash over the continents about every 6k years or so, the evidence for this is all over the planet. We just don't know what causes it, but I have a feeling we are about to find out first hand. I also have a feeling it has something to do with our solar system.
@@CuriousBeingbyTina This actually makes sense with Earth's pole flips. That would have put Petra in a different latitude/longitude at one (or more) points in time depending on its actual age. You see the same erosion with the Great Sphinx in Egypt on its lower portion
Except the flooding was up to a MILE deep. Far above the wear at the bases of these facades. I have no answers, but ...
Good luck with your channel! I hope it grows fast. We need more people like you and the other you tubers who will help people wake up realize our past is more complicated than we've been taught
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It's too bad we couldn't have more intellectually curious, and smart people like you in the archeological field. Your work, and conclusions are solid, and logical.
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there are, but they are suppressed and ostracized as they threaten the official narratives
@@orlandoblanco6969 I firmly believe that's true in a lot of cases. I hate to ascribe all this suppression to evil. The problem is I don't have another explanation that is worthwhile.
@Joseph Tutor she makes sense, but her evidence is outstanding, whereas a lot of the crackpot theories that say pyramids are tombs, or any number of other theories about ancient megalithic, etc, usually don't show proof, or even plausible logic trains to back up their theories.
Joseph tutor I have seen 100 year old hevey equipment that is completely rusted into nothing recognizable. In a 1,000 years 2,000 years 10,000 years? The equipment that Tina is suggesting might have been used would be gone and before that moved to a new site after a given job was finished.
Great research and analysis. Your video seems to be the first to put Petra into its proper archaeological context. It does seem to fall into place with the other high-tech excavations you have documented world wide. Thank you!
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Another great video, Tina! Great analysis. I wish I could visit these amazing sites for myself. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! I would love to visit these sites as well :-)
I go there with Google earth.next best thing
My goodness Tina! You sure do your research. I think you have the best questions ( more than most ) of all alternative theories and research! Keep up the good work! I believe, by the way, that alternative archaeology and research is just as reliable and valid as our current text book “excepted history “ suggests. No one knows for sure. A lot of lost history. 😊👍
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Yes! This is my favorite channel.
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I really enjoyed your video. Also you revealed the comparison to Hegra that I did not see before. Your video is sooo much more interesting that the respected Anchient Architects channel on TH-cam that claimed Petra was mostly the work of the Romans!!! A while back when you made those videos about the ancient caves in China with the toolmarks I shared with you the image on a Brien Foerster video shot in "Little Petra". Here you could see these toolmarks ending their streak with a hump. You can see here that the rock was like mud or butter that was being scraped in shape. I wish you had included this in your video. These tools are the same as the ones in the Chinese caves and at some sites in Egypt. Once again thanks for your video. I wonder what will be next.
Thank you! I plan to do a separate Petra video on the tool marks you shared with me :-) I saved images from that Brien Foerster's video on Little Petra with tool marks look melted at the ends. I've been collecting images on close-up shots of Petra and a few other sites and I'm hoping to find similar "melted" details at various megalithic ruins. I'm still working on it. Thank you very much for sharing the video with me - I've been thinking about it all along!
Very interesting. So many examples of ancient stone workings that are difficult to explain!
Thank you! I made a series of videos on less-known megalithic sites and prehistoric civilizations - hope you will check a few out 🙂
Excellent subject. Looking forward to this. All the very best Phil aav
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She is very thorough and the questions she proposes are worth finding the answers too.
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This is brilliant! Thanks for all the research. Petra is much higher quality than the rest. It's like Egypt, the oldest people had the most sophisticated architecture. When are you going to travel to some of these places and do some livestreams with closeups?
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you. I would love to travel to some of these sites and do live-streams with closeups. Hopefully soon...
You are awesome sauce Tina. Thank you for sharing such fascinating and excellent thought provoking videos. 🗿☕💙😊
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Oh my, I love Petra and other ancient sites of Arabian peninsula, thank you so much.
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Very good observations on your part that lead to logical conclusions. Excellent work, thank you for the post!
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I wouldnt call those stone caves "plain", that patterning in the stone is insane! 🤩🥰
The decoration is minimal but the natural stone color is truly beautiful 🙂
This is my first visit to your channel.
Such a good presentation; thank you.
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Super interesting Tina 🙂👍!!
Friday and a video from you, Perfect Day
You are amazing btw!!
Thank you Jeff! 😃 So glad to hear that!
Great history lesson, and an incredible subject! As always thanks for the video, loved it! What a wonderful world.
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Another wonderful presentation thank you.. I hope you know how much your work is valued and will be valuable for many years to come.. I have learned much from you and for that I am truly grateful.
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Excellent analysis, as usual. I especially was impressed by the detailed analysis at 17:28 of Petra as a city for the living. Great job, Tina..
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The lady narrating this is absolutely beautiful! Good video on history also. Subscribed.
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Listened for a few min and subscribed. Looking at your channel. I am very interested in watching more of your vids!
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Your curiosity is only matched by your beauty Tina, and thank you for yet another insightful video
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Glad to see your hard at work. It’s been awhile.
Points to ponder. Everything with columns and Doric arches is called Hellenistic. Thus dating is largely by form in relation to historic Greece and what we think we know of that history. We see a very wide distribution of Hellenistic form geographically. Much wider than the Greeks were known to have traveled. Therefore this suggests an older culture which had archetypal designs adopted by the Greeks as well as these other cultures. The cut rock striations support this same conclusion as well.
You discussed thermoluminesense dating in a previous video. It’s a good technique on fired pottery, not so good on sun exposed rock. One analytical technique we don’t often see is geomagnetic orientation applied to such sites. The usual application is in dating sedimentary or igneous rock formations by identifying the alignment of magnetic crystals to the earths magnetic field, which processes geographically on a know pattern. This technique is well defined. But it won’t tell you when a rock was cut. Only when it was formed.
Now many sites like Petra have been found to contain small patches of plaster or mortar. Initially it was thought that these stone works were totally mortar-less. And to a large degree they are. However, recent close inspection reveals errors in cutting and fitting which appear to have been “fixed” with mortar, presumably by the initial builders. Testing of this mortar might very well yield magnetic orientation data on age. I know of only one case where this was done. By a Russian team working one of the Peruvian megalithic sites. The published age was dismissed by the majority. Mortar sampling is generally frowned upon due to the destructive nature of the sampling process.
So. Here we sit in catch-22. We “feel” that these sites are older. But can’t prove it by existing technology, and we are not allowed to test a bit here and there for fear of diminishing the site. Or the accepted date upon which numerous professional reputations rest. So we can but speculate.
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@@CuriousBeingbyTina I recently watched a video about the history of Mecca, and they showed an ancient split to which in times long past that Petra was the city where the mosques were originally aligned...and now obviously it is not. But from some still existing qibla walls can be traced on a map to Petra.
Tina, you ask the right questions, notice the unnoticed and bring it to light, never daring say what you're thinking and leading us to think. Wonderful !! "You can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink." You drown out disbelievers with images, truth, following a soft spoken yet undeniable narrative. Congratulations on producing an "eye opener".!!
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this is great today and knowledgeable thank u for the time u dedicate 👍🎶💕☀
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A remarkable water system in Petra is under reported in the media. The climate at Petra when it was built must have been cooler and wetter as agriculture to grow crops for the population occurred. I haven't seen any documentation about population density at Petra or information on burial practices of the general population.
Good points, William. Thank you for sharing with me. I agree that Petra's water system is under reported. I'll see if I can find some information on the population and burial practices in ancient Petra :-)
Amazing video and info.
Thanks so much.
I wish you All the best.
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Very thorough , thoughtful, well presented. What a gift!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you very much Rod!
interestingly presented ........keeep up the good work..
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Excelent. Thankyou for showing this to us.
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I am suprised that no one to date has taken accurate measurements of some of the features of buildings. For example, how round and linear are the columns? What is the tolerance difference between similar columns etc. Also, how square are the corners in the caves? Such information would assist the debate about how they were made and with what tools.
Will watch soon, but I love the painting behind you.
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Given the cavernous interior spaces in Petra, it might be that these interiors were fitted out with interior constructions made of wood or other materials.
These might provide multi level living spaces of more human sizes.
Also, such interior structures might have been more solid and stable than a similar excavation of rock which could be prone to collapse.
Thank you for your insight, Olaf. I appreciate it. I agree that some of the big caves show evidence of being multi leveled and might have been finished with other materials.
And where would they have got all that wood from in a desert?
@@daragildea7434 It wasn't always desert.
@@jondoealoe It was when Petra was built, so what's your point?
@@daragildea7434 When was Petra built?
Tina thank You for tons of informations, everything about Hegra is new for me .
Thanks, Good Work.This is IT .
Amazing video, uses of photos, good choices.
You are STAR!
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Still Curious and looking for Hidden Ancient Machine !
Must be somewhere and waiting for You !
You will find it, fingers cross for You !:)
Thank you very much! So glad that you enjoyed the video ♥ I do hope one day we will find some signs of ancient machinery! Have a great weekend :-)
petra is so very mysterious. immaculately decorated outside and very plain inside
Next to Praveen Mohan, your channel has become my favorite. I actually felt happiness when I noticed this latest post 😍
Wow, thank you Kelly! I'm flattered. I love Praveen Mohan's work! He is one of the people who inspired me to start my own channel :-)
@@CuriousBeingbyTina you are not only curious; you are a Beautiful Being. May all your endeavors be prosperous.
I had no idea there is so much to discover UNDERground. How fascinating.
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You have a kind voice and personality that I hug the air. So, my hugs to you curious being. Your looks add up to your knowledge and curiosity.
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Great video as usual! Always look forward to your content.
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Thanks for the wonderful content keep it up
Thank you, will do :-)
You've given me a lot to think about on the level of the stone work. "Thank you. I find Petra fascinating.
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Great Research Tina, you have brought forward many things in this video that all other pseudo-researchers have completely missed and I applaud you for it.
From the many videos I have seen on Petra, I observe that many facades could easily be fake-chiseled render. The evidence is there, just as it is all over the world at other sites.. Creating those perfect parallel chisel marks is very easy to accomplish with a jagged toothed wooden trowel, this gives perfect flat surfaces and parallel markings. Archeaologists are not builders, that havent got a clue!
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Impressive work. A very interesting subject.
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You have enriched yourself and cultured yourself by your choice of resesrch and methods. Very smart focus. Truely awesome monuments of what must have an amazing culture of people. Thanx4sharing your richness with us. You are a very special angel, and I love your voice.
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Petra city of the God's.. Hegra city for us little humans.. Petra is one special place.. I loved your information thanks 😊
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And then there is Kailasa Temple in Ellora, Maharashtra, India. Ellora Caves - 34 monasteries and temples, extending over more than 2 km, were dug side by side in the wall of a high basalt cliffs. BASALT FOR HEAVENS SAKE!
Yes these are amazing sites with intricate stone carving. Truly incredible.
It's my opinion that the differences in the quality of the stone work, would be that the machinery and knowledge to operate it, was lost, buried, destroyed or repurposed between both sites over the eons. Of course the natural fracturing in the stone facades of the monuments, as well as weathering from centuries of environmental occurrences surely had a part in it's appearance today.
Thank you for sharing with me. It appears that much knowledge was lost a vert long time ago...
Well done!!!
Thank you :-)
Your talents are expanding very wonderful to see!!
Good work. I very much agree and don't understand why no serious work is done on these sites. Apparently there was a group of giant humans living at the time where they built All these giant places. There is one carving of a camel the size of a whole mountain in a recent archaeology report.
Thank you for sharing with me. I'll look for the mountain sized carving of a camel :-)
Hi Tina. When I look at all of the stone structures in the world I wonder why. Why build like this. I think it was easy. I don't know how they did it, but it was easy. Your work with the machine marks is spot on. Keep being curious. Thank you for the great content.
Thank you for the support, Howie. It's very possible that it was easy for the ancients to create these massive stone caves.
You can see damage from the floods in Petra noticed the wear on the stones... In the lower areas the other thing I’ve been pondering is the Younger driest event..I believe the meteors/coment Musta hit 40 days later or in between that’s why it’s so significant 40 days and 40 nights 40 days 40 that it has some significant
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@@CuriousBeingbyTina It's just such a beautiful site, the wonder it invokes....Tina there's just so much on this giant earth, and we, each so small, have been the hands that built forth all these creations. There's something so beautiful that's been lost- we've really came into a technological greatness of our own time period......but the ancients truly had something my heart yearns for so long.....it seems thou they had much more fullfilling life's and worked towards so thru all of their lasting things they've left us.
@@DetroitFettyghost My thoughts too...the ancients seem to have a different way of living that is both intriguing and beautiful.
Love this video
I am one those who believe than rather carved these buildings were made out of a different material than rather hardened after a sudden change in conditions like extreme heat or other
The real history of our planet has been hidden in order to manipulate people
There are possibly layers upon layers of many civilisations, some of which we won’t know
I had dreams of being in a place like Petra which lead me to be fascinated by it
I also believe it was the original Mecca and much more
The nabateans possibly lived there but didn’t built it
It was already there
As usual your intuition is your compass
Great documentary, Tina. I will tweet you some pics showing close-ups of tool marks at Petra.
Please do! Thank you Ziggy :-)
@@CuriousBeingbyTina Asap.
Great new photos
Glad you like them!
A good video presentation. Beautifully thought out, and beautifully presented by a beautiful girl. xxx
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I’m a huge history buff and Petra has been on my bucket list since Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
Yes, Petra is such a magical place...
Amazing video!! You should have 10x subs!!
Thank you! I hope so :-)
Well researched!
Thank you Steve 🙂
What if Petra, the Sphinx, the Pyramids, Atlantis and those cities in Peru, etc were all built by a very ancient race of people who had learned how to manipulate stone? Later these were discovered by the local tribes which used them as their own? I'd like to see you do a video about the great Mystics, who are so mysterious perfect for a curious being.
Thank you Stephen. I made a series of videos on my hypotheses on the underground Osiris Shaft, the Pyramids and Sphinx.Hope to hear your feedback on them.
The Osiris Shaft:
1. The Underground Complex: the Giza Osiris Shaft Created by a Lost Advanced Civilization? th-cam.com/video/GloDq_h7yLg/w-d-xo.html
2. The Osiris Shaft: Part of a Prehistory Mine from a Lost Civilization? th-cam.com/video/JuGt7JEWT6E/w-d-xo.html
Egyptian Pyramids:
1. The Great Pyramid was Not a Power Plant but perhaps Something Totally Unexpected th-cam.com/video/ztkWo8g49S8/w-d-xo.html
2. A Provocative Theory: Giza Pyramids as a Lost Civilization's Mining Waste Storage Site? th-cam.com/video/tFzd2z0Rr1U/w-d-xo.html
3. Great Pyramid: Let's Double Check the Mathematics & Star Alignment Claims th-cam.com/video/nPswBtmQKD8/w-d-xo.html
4. Prehistoric Mining: What was Mined on the Giza Plateau? th-cam.com/video/y6ShuJdzDS0/w-d-xo.html
5. The True Purpose of the Great Pyramid's Interior System?! th-cam.com/video/BYr6HbEjS7w/w-d-xo.html
6. The Secret Enigma of the Egyptian Pyramids’ Interior th-cam.com/video/hxWEWUsvcS4/w-d-xo.html
7. Egyptian Pyramids Reveal Acid Mine Drainage Stains? th-cam.com/video/-QyIJ-w-8vc/w-d-xo.html
8. Egyptian Pyramids & the Impact of a Green vs Desert Sahara th-cam.com/video/8CVetiox04c/w-d-xo.html
9. Questioning the Luminescence Dating Result of the Giza Pyramid th-cam.com/video/gFBC8DJ5mZ0/w-d-xo.html
The Sphinx:
Great Sphinx: Buried Secret Exposed th-cam.com/video/0YoM4W5W0pg/w-d-xo.html
Great video. This place Petra has always stumped me a little more than other megalithic sites. Egypt,Gobekli Tepe, sites in South America all seem to have reliefs of animals or people or hybrids of both. Even the Sumerians had chariots. This place almost reminds me of those plain white clay figurines you get from an art store to decorate as your own but was never finished. I don't think there is even any evidence of paint anywhere. Seems like a lot of work not to personalize it.
Thank you. Like you, I haven't seen animal reliefs in Petra either though I received a message from some who stayed in Petra for 5 days - "There are many sculptures of birds, horses, and lions (in Petra). There are also people with wings. Most of them are broken or badly eroded. Many are in the Petra museum at the site." I'll try to find photos of these reliefs online.
@@CuriousBeingbyTina That is interesting. Thank you . I've only seen photos and short films over the years to go on. Never seen any about the museum.
@@cspencer3421 You are more than welcome. I found some photos of the animal and people themed artifacts in the Petra Museum. It seems that at least some of these items were made during the Roman time and may not represent the original Petra style.
New subscriber here, and a bit of an art history/architecture nerd; I have never seen, at least in my research and meandering, the use of pediments as in Petra. At 1:37, top left pediment, it’s folded along its vertical axis, but in unfolding it, the design and architecture isn’t lost, and it maintains continuity and its geometry until reaching the stone on which its carved.
Thank you and Welcome 😊 Keen observation on Petra's pediments! I agree that the folded and continuous feature is quite unusual for broken pediments. I can't recall seeing another one outside Petra.
Love all of the Petra shows, you certainly do the best research.
Thank you Stephen! I'm flattered :-)
Has me wondering that because of the dry climate in those areas, they would have found actual graves of the people of that time by now. As they would have been very well preserved and done DNA to figure out who those people were. But of course, there's always a cover up because they don't really want us to know...
That's an interesting point. Some human remains were recovered in Petra. I haven't seen DNA studies on these remains though.
What I thought, and it may be true, is that there is no such thing as the Nabataeans, but it is the second civilization of Aad (Thamud) who moved from the center of the Arabian Peninsula to Al-Ula. Hypothetical may be true because Petra was more elegant and beautiful and nations are progressing and not the other way around
And Mada’in Saleh is known to be from the Thamud civilization, not in the many evidences of the Arabs, whether from the people of Al-Ula or historians or the biography of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh or the texts of the Qur’an that there are some inferences that it is from the civilization of Thamud, etc..
The first civilization of Aad is the people of the Prophet Hud who were tormented by God for their sins and the Muslims moved from them to the Hijaz, specifically Al-Ula, which is the second civilization of Aad (Thamud).
Ad and Thamud so far north ... what about the Petra-Makka hypothesis then ?
Excellent and thought provoking video as always. Your description of the interior rooms of that one structure in Petra (three rooms and a main room) reminds me of the top of some South and Central American pyramids. I wonder if they served that same possible purposes?
Thank you Yeti! I didn't know that the American pyramids have similar interior plans with the Treasury. I'll look them up - thanks for the information :-)
Another fabulous documentary, thank you Tina for your sharing your insights
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching 🙂
I personally think that Petra was built pre-flood and by a different people than what built Hegra
Ones that built Hegra IMHO possibly copied various things from Petra (after they had found or seen it)
A lot of Archaeologists assume they know who built what and when even when they do not have any idea and there is no evidence to suggest who built it or when
Same for when Archaeologists find a building that they have no idea what it was used for, they automatically assume it was a Tomb or temple
Thank you Patrick. I agree that Petra could be a much more ancient site and Hegra caves were created to imitate the Petra style. Most archaeologists are bounded to the traditional timeline and mentality and wouldn't consider otherwise.
I agree. IIRC, the Nabataeans were more of a tent culture, and they would re-use whatever structures were found in an area. When they lived in Petra, it was probably draped all over with tent cloth, rope lines, and tent poles.
As for who cut the stone chambers at Petra, I assume it was the mysterious people who cut the chambers we find all over the world. As for who carved the smooth stone facades at Petra, that's maybe more difficult to narrow down. While people cite Greek or Roman influence, I see a general Indo-European influence. It's like a blend of what we see in Greece, Italy, Persia, and India. We know that in Middle Kingdom times the Hittites and Mitanni were Indo-European tribes living to the north, in the modern lands of Turkey and Syria. Perhaps there was a group of IE people living in Petra, possibly closer to the 2500 BC mark, and they are the ones who carved the facades. This time frame would fit in with the climate changes happening between 3500-2000 BC, with the drying climate in the Middle East, the loss of the great pastures to desert, and thus the emphasis on water retention strategies at Petra that presumably eventually failed. This would be in the era of the people mentioned in Sumerian texts as the Magan, Makkan, or Mecca people. These were a copper and diorite mining people, and a ship building people, who were probably related to the people of the Indus valley at the time, which would be in the era of the Indo-Europeans. Since they were traders, it's possible Petra was a trading station between Egypt and the Persian Gulf, a place for caravans to stop, rest, and replenish supplies of food and water. Petra is located directly west of the trading cities at the mouth of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, and directly east of Cairo. You'd want a place to stop for food and water between the two deserts.
Petra is also just to the east of the Jordan River, which runs south to the Red Sea.
Interesting points - thank you for sharing with me. Much appreciated! I agree that Petra's creators might be related to the other stone carving culture(s) around the world. I'll search for the ancient cultures in that region and see if they have left some written clues. Thank you again!
@@CuriousBeingbyTina FWIW, I don't think Magan / Makkan / Mecca was centered at Petra. I think that was just a trading station, like the caravanserai of the Silk Road era.
Magan was probably located more in the vicinity of Bandar Abbas, the islands south of that, on the tip of Oman, and also west to the region of Bahrain and Qatar. I think they were controlling trade through the straits, and acting as middle men for trading civilizations further to the east.
I think the trade routes in 2500 BC were more far flung than most scholars currently accept. And why wouldn't they be, if the IE speaking peoples were expanding in every direction during that time? They could very easily maintain trade over distances, because they knew each other.
I don't know how much you know about that era, but in general 2500 BC saw the IE people invade into Ireland (as Celts), Britain (as Gaels), Spain (as Gaels), Greece (as Mycenaeans), Turkey (as Hittites), Persia (as Parsi and Guti), India (as Aryans and Jats), and China (as Xia). Or something like that. And it looks like the invasion of India almost immediately pushed east into southeast Asia, south into Indonesia, and probably hit a trading frontier at Australia and Japan.
The general view of archaeologists, of course, is that at this time Egypt and Mesopotamia were the centers of culture, with maybe something going on in India, and very early things in China. It's heavily colored, IMO, by Victorian science and views. But by now we should be figuring out that all we're seeing with that old view is the tip of the iceberg.
FWIW, I want to make clear I'm not saying the facades at Petra MUST be older than assumed. Stylistically, they do look more modern than ancient. The triangular lintels, for instance, and the motif of the pediment being broken by a dome shape. That points to a post-classical style. The row of dots on the structure - imitating wooden log ends - are like those found in Crete, which is an older style, and the capitals of the pillars suggest they are modeled after pillars with wooden tops ... but I don't know what culture used pillar capitals like that. Persian? The dome type structure suggests a later central Asian type influence. Rock-cut architecture is found in Egypt, India, and southwest Asia, but not so much in the Hellenic world. So it's confusing.
It could be a fairly modern mish-mash of styles, or it could be a more ancient style, like 2500 BC, if we consider that maybe there were common wood-working motifs that were implemented in stone once the IE people moved south into regions where stone work for important buildings was more commonly done. And we of course do not have any sufficiently ancient wooden structures that we can look at for stylistic comparisons.
Adding to the confusion ... since we're already considering that some of the interiors might belong to the ancient mining culture, and the facades come later ... it's possible that some of the facade comes from one period, and changes to the facade were made in later periods. Like, let's say those pillars originally had Hindu-like figures sculpted upon them. Well, a culture coming in after that period might decide to chisel those off and go with a smooth stone surface instead. The Greek pediment broken by the dome could be the result of a later culture resculpting to put their own stylistic mark on the structure.
When we look at the attention given to conducting water ... again, this might point to commonality with the ancient Cretan culture, which did have "advanced" water systems. But "advanced" water systems also existed in ancient India. So it seems possible that if there is a connection, it might be coming from India across the Arabic peninsula to Crete ...? We just don't know.
As usual, a great video! Thank you for sharing it with us.
My pleasure! Thank you for watching.
I'm also more ancient than assumed!
Good to see you back for another interesting history lesson!
I've also just followed you on twitter. And gave your first tweet an RT.
Thank you so much for the support! ♥
I think your hypothesis may be right with the available evidence, not always appreciated in some circles. Many things do not add up if you analyse what's available, and what's revealed by closer inspection. Great channel content thanks 😉 👍
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Really well done! Interesting and provocative.🤗
Thank you! 😊 Hope you will enjoy my other videos too.
According to mainstream archaeologists, nearly everything was a tomb or for religious purposes. I feel like that is lazy work.
That is like the default answer...
越来越喜欢你的视频和频道了，只是在国内想看到还挺不容易的😊。Petra也是令人惊叹和神往的远古遗迹之一，虽然我不是个很爱好旅游的人，但是如果真的要旅游，我觉得这样的地方才是真正值得去看的地方。
多谢支持呀 🙂 我还没精力把视频翻译成中文发到国内平台上... 我也很想去这些远古遗迹去看看，亲身体验一定会更震撼。
Have you noticed the stair step design motif is more than a little similar to that seen at Tiwanaku Bolivia
Yes they both have the stepped design motif...
I'm disappointed. It took youtube a week to suggest the latest video from the Wonderful Tina? That's not right. I'm sure I'll get over it, I can listen to your beautiful voice any time!
Oh thank you! Hope you enjoy the video :-)
@@CuriousBeingbyTina Very much so, Thank you. The thing that always gets me about the major works at Petra, is the huge door ways? Was it for a big person? I think not, the rooms are small, a giant wouldn't have much space. But what if it was for something big that didn't need to move around at all? The smaller constructions look like living spaces and merchant areas. But the big , grand spaces with elaborate facade? What could they have put in there that required a doorway of that size and what made it so important? Most important, where did it go and why is there no evidence of it. Did it fly away or something? Just my two cents. Be well Tina.
I had never before seen the interiors of Petra, but then again, I never researched Petra. Thank you for the look inside. I am still convinced that a race of great stone masons lived on Earth, Eons ago and either bugged out just before the Younger Dryas or before then. Why they did what they did, only "they" know.
Thank you Pope. I, too, think there was an advanced culture with amazing stone-related skills a long long time ago... that's why we find these megalithic sites all over the world.
Cool video thanks.
Glad you liked it! Thank you for watching.
Hello CB, TH-cam never notifies me of your new posts.
Glad I found you again. I was wondering what new horizons you were exploring. ❤️ From Boston.
Also, the fine parallel markings look like the markings on that humongous cave in China that was possibly a reservoir. Sorry,
I forget the name.
Welcome back! Glad that you found me again - thank you for the support! The tool marks at Longyou caves do share resemblance with some Petra marks 🙂
Very good research . . .
Thank you! Hope you will enjoy my other videos too :-)
I think you're correct.
Thank you 🙂
I just discovered your page today. I can’t help but wonder if the books that Zecharia Sitchin wrote about the Anunnaki could answer some of the questions that you have. Good luck on your journey!
I built bareekas 2 years in Yemen; I agree with your water analysis.
Glad to hear that. Thank you! I'm not familiar with bareekas; are they water-related structures?
What did they do with all the material removed to make the chambers?
Thank you for this very clear expose!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching :-)
Nice job!
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Well Done 👍
Perhaps the individuals that built Petra, were taller.
Concerning the materials removed during construction. Possibly recycled,,, pottery, roads, bricks, maybe used to smooth exterior walls or as glazing.
Out of the box thinking ,,, maybe to generate some form of energy .
Or they had the ability to atomize/ disintegrate,,, excess debris.
Keep up the Excellent Quality
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R. Everett Fadden
That's a plausible idea on the removed materials being recycled 👍 Thank you! I appreciate your support! 🙂
Hello my lovely, I've been away for a time. I read the essays of Montaigne and he describes an account of travellers who visited Bhagdad who were told by the priests that they had records going back 225000 years continuously, without any break in the timeline. - Stay lovely Tina!
Welcome back Michael! I haven't heard about this ancient record - I'll search for it. Thank you for the information!
Great video and content, gives the mainstream something to think about I'm sure
Thank you! I hope so :-)
Your take on this makes sense. I see what you are saying.
Thanks Dan :-)
The stone work in Petra is very similar to the Osireion, in Egypt. Both have no original inscriptions, I have no doubt that both are megalithic and of YD age or even older.
Yes they could be even older than YD.
You raise a very interesting questions, two resonate with me. First, why the scale dufference between them? Secondly, why the ' newer ' ones of less quality? In our current society, we have gone from log cabins to highrises and anyone can see the progression, not regression, of styles and teqniques to acomplish them. As to the question that undoubtedly arises, where is the rock from within, it may be as simple as literal sands of the deserts.
Thank you for sharing your insight with me, Eric. I appreciate it!
There are similar structures in Iran as well. I have to see if it's the scale and quality of Petra or Hegra. Very interesting stuff.
Thank you Steven. Naqsh-e Rostam is a very impressive site too with ancient reliefs and inscriptions. These rock cut tombs seem to be similar to Hegra's scale.
Truly amazing…..we can only guess at the purpose and the technical skill involved….thank you very much for your work bringing this to us..cheers
My pleasure! Thank you for watching. Cheers
These photos are so incredible. Your analysis very poignant. Great job. Others show only a couple of areas at Petrus.
Glad that you enjoyed it :-) Hope you can check out my other videos too.
Great video Tina! Have you seen the flower room yet? That is beautiful. It's artwork is amazing.
Thank you! I'll search for the flower room :-)
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