Realistic Self Defense Training: Wrestling and Range Time | Going Beyond a Gear Review
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Have you tried paracord and ranger bands? If that doesn't work then I really can only think of getting a kydex sheath that is molle ready.
Try putting it on your appendix Inside your waistband if the loop can be switched to the other side, or beside your CCW if that works, I like to keep mine there for if someone has top mount on me or is smothering me and my arms can't reach my firearm or I don't have one on me. There is a knife that I am sure you have heard of called the clinch pick that is perfect for that exact situation.
The older plastic tourniquet is a CAT.(Combat Application Tourniquet) the metal one is called a SOF-T. They are more heavy duty and won't break. Practice with the thumb screw that prevents the jaw from opening. It needs to be backed all the way of when stored, but when you apply the tourniquet you need to tighten all the way down when you are done or the Tourniquet will start to loosen and slip.
Mike, to mount your knife look at "malice" clips (combination of the words Molle and Alice) they often have screw holes in the clips that you can mount your sheet to. Then you can thread the clips through you gear just like any other molle or pals webbing.
put it on the side over the strap
Good news is, most likely a “Cliff” will never attack you... or at least Cliff specifically lol
That's great news.
For sure you should try to get in touch with Craig Douglas, Paul Sharp, or Cecil Burch. Grappling in a weapons based environment is their specialty. Not sure of Paul has a YT, but check out Shivworks, and Immediate Action Combatives.
@@jskscotty3508 Craig's that guy with the burn on his eye?
@@snazdogdbfan251 I think it's a birth mark...but I just always thought he was always getting black eyes when I first saw his vids. The classes he runs are intense though. Grappling/fighting with sim guns and training knives. I definitely need to make some time to train with him...
No more side kicks ok I don't want you to get kicked in the teeth.
"You wouldn't attack a werewolf like that, would you?"
Yesss, please talk more, Cliff lmao
My thoughts exactly- not sure if Icy realized it or not but to my ears that was basically an argument _in support of_ including more Cliff talk in the videos. @IcyMike I would buy a Hard2Hurt t-shirt with that phrase on it!
Man I love Cliff's appearances
7:50 OH!!! Got yer nads shot off! That's just wrong!
Cliff is like the perfect sparring partner, big dude and so skilled, able to go at any percentage you want. I'm just jealous of getting that time in. Observations on werewolves are just a plus.
Also awesome video as always, thanks.
Now i definitely want Cliff to talk more
you wouldn't attack a werewolf like that, would you 😂😂
I, in fact, would not.
I only attack werewolves from long range with silver weapons.
1:43 I think we can all admit that the John Wick gun-draw from guard was badass. Also Clif is not a joke. The dude kickboxes and also is throwing Nelson variations in a grappling setup? Maybe it's obvious to those that know him, but it just clicked in my head how much of a problem that dude would be in a fight.
He is a dangerous dude.
@@hard2hurt he's gotta be. He looks about my size (6'2 over 200lbs) and I thought "oh i could probably hang with him. I boxed for years and was pretty good. I wrestled and did a bit of jiujitsu".
I've changed my stance today. I now humbly understand he'd kick the shit out of me on all levels of combat.
1:25 cliff trying to get ahold of the forbidden stapler
AReallyBigDwarf is obviously a big fan. The stapler remark is a deep cut!
I like that Cliff goes for his sidearm a couple times during the clinch flows
That Marine was operating with dated information, the new generation combat application tourniquets (gen 6 or 7) have a reinforced windlass that doesn’t snap. That was OEF1 shit. The new CATs from North American Rescue are a higher quality product that won’t snap.
He might have had a Chinese knock off.
Some say werewolves ask, "would you attack Cliff like that?"
I use to put my hunting knife on my shoulder strap with the handle down. It was easy for me to use but one of the issues that I found is that it's exposed, where if your grappling, the attacker might get to it first.
I was gonna say why not have it parrarel behind the AR mags but than it would e harder for him to pull it out of he needs it
kawsar abay maybe parallel above the AR mags but barely and with the handle sticking out
Handle up makes it a bit better for retention, a bit less accessable. What are you doing? Wrestling, crowd control? Probably want better retention. Are you going into actual battle? Better to have the handle down, as you'll be going for the knife before you even start grappling.
Great vid Icy Mike - I'm going to guess that you had some SWAT or other experience beyond regular L/E academy training. That or you've taken professional shooting/CQB training on your own. Pretty solid fundamentals from what I saw, your draw stroke could use a bit of work and efficiency improvement, but ya, really liked what I observed overall. Good solid stance and movement, etc etc. Also, if you have a magazine that you have to regularly "shake" to get it to eject from the handgun properly, either fix it or ditch it (based on your first reload in the video - I realize it could be a "one off", but if it isn't take action and either fix/ditch that mag, or get a Glock armorer to have a look at your chunk and assses/repair it - I'd do it for you myself if I was in Myrtle area, but I"m in Canada for a while, so no go).
Again, great vid, you have such a great way of explaining things for the camera, I bet you're a fantastic instructor in person, and I always like instructors who incorporate unarmed fighting along with armed, as much as you're doing here. Thumbs way up.
Good eye. Yep, Mike was on his local department's SWAT team for a while. He's talked about it in a few of his videos.
Mike's real final form would be a giant flashlight
I hope people around are used to Mike's shenanigans because the scene starting at 2:09 could look veeeery suspicious.
edit; and damn, i really *miss* rolling around. Damn adulthood and limited time for shit.
Lol like the other businesses? Yeah they know what we are about hahaha
Haha, Yeah the police show up because it looks like Cliff is fighting a cop in the parking lot.
7:35
10/10 Thought Clif was going to tear your arm off and take it home in his gym bag for having the audacity to think about reaching for the the faux Glock.
Long time follower of the channel. Glad that marine got you a SOF T Wide TQ. They really are amazing. Also glad someone else is talking about grappling in kit. So few people do it and get a huge wakeup call when they struggle with it the first time!
Mike, the CAT tourniquet shouldn't "snap and break" like that marine said. Either he or his buddy cheaped out and bought a 10-15 dollar practice/toy tourniquet.
Tourniquets are thoroughly tested and certified, so if it breaks on you, you set that up.
If you did the same by buying a dirt cheap tourniquet, he's right that you should ditch it.
The only reason he'd think that is if he or his buddy decided to be stupid and buy a much cheaper one not realizing that it was a toy/practice tourniquet.
Never cheap out on your life saving medical gear. Buy from a reputable company that either specializes in medical equipment for LEO and Military.
Great video Mike! Made me realize that I need to get out there and train more with my gear on. I’ve been resting on my previous training with it but I haven’t really grappled in it yet. Keep up the great vids!
Also it was pretty cool to see you using Street effective jiu-jitsu I saw your punch block variation on your guard.
Good video. The buckler, armor and whip looks cool
Awesome video. I really liked the grappling with gear on
Dude! Awesome video! Gave me a lot of practical stuff to think about.
Damn, those shoulder? moves from the black dude are lightning fast! He made the same move in some of the previous videos. Love it!
See if you can spot some of the gems in this video:
John Wick triangle finish
A filthy guard puller
Mike screws up his own outro
Stay safe Icy Mike
Thanks Mike. This was really cool
3:34 this is the most hard 2 Hurt thing ive ever seen
First off, best vid on this topic and I would know as I watch em all. Would love to see you collaborate with Active Self Protection sometime. Anyway, I'm in the armored truck industry. I keep a molle compatible Gerber knife on my chest. That way if I'm attacked from behind while working and they take my gun I have a last resort. I'm enjoying the fact that you came to the same conclusion as me re carrying a backup knife in that configuration. I'll make all my friends watch this.
Craig Douglas of shivworks recommends a small fixed blade centerline for the exact reason you found out. And he has pressure tested it extensively. If you havent seen him I think you would like what he’s doing.
FINELY!!
Dude...that shoulder twist to break your left framework at 1:20. Cliff is a beast (yeah yeah, already knew that) but it caught me off guard just watching
Superb video, Mike. I recommend looking into the Safariland ALS for your gun holster, and the TDI Hinderer Hellfire for your offhand. Both have external retention, which will help prevent your weapons from falling out, and hopefully, prevent the bad guy from grabbing it as well.
You will probably never use this but my local swat team wears tourniquets on each limb when they go into the feild, that way its a little quicker to apply in an emergency.
A lot of dudes do, and if you have the pockets in your uniform, its a solid idea. That being said, any day where you need to stop massive bleeding on all four limbs is a bad day haha.
Hell yeah Cliff with the Hawkeyes shirt
Order some black 550 cord and use the holes in the knife sheath to mount it behind the rifle mags. You can leave out one or two of the molle attachments to make space for the knife. It’ll be centerline for both hands and hidden by the mags. Love the vids!
I've wrestled in my HEMA fencing gear, before. Does that count? 😂
Seriously, excellent video! This has offered some great introductory tips and demonstrations for what someone should do during a practice regimen if they have tactical gear.
Good stuff, some intense wrestling. I carry a fixed blade alongside my firearm for the same reason discovered by your training. One thing Ill say is that if your gonna carry a blade like that, concealed is always better then openly carried. First rule in using a blade for self defense: Your opponent should only know you have a blade AFTER its already been used on them.
Otherwise, its an easy target, no retention holsters like a gun has, and having your blade taken from you is every knife carriers worst nightmare.
i was waiting on this videoooooo
That guard pull :D
The fact that you offer this shit that’s actually useful for free is amazing. The internet is a great place sometimes if you use it correctly
Benchmade socp dagger is a great self defense knife. Sheathe is made for Molle and it also has a ring like a Karambit knife for quick access by either hand.
Would be interesting to see rounds where your opponent is actively trying to take your weapon from you. Maybe get a paintball pistol if they make those to make it count? Clinch game plus wrestling for the weapon and attempting to get a shot off would be fun to watch.
"Show your work," as Red Beard Combatives says. Way to put it out there, Mike.
Not sure if it'll work for your setup but I really liked the Tek-Lok belt attachment by Blade-Tech for when I carried my Izula knife on my work bag. I field tested it extensively in my line of work so it was often deployed to cut loose strings from shirts, open shipping boxes, and pry keys off my keyboard to clean underneath after trying to pour the bottom-of-the bag chip crumbs into my mouth and failing. Yeah, it may have never been life or death but when Janice down the hall couldn't open some anti-theft plastic packaging who was the hero of the day? My knife. And to a lesser extent, me.
Awesome, good training right there. I would suggest having the knife center. Front or back, center of plate carrier. But I would keep it on your belt. As you would for EDC. Mine is back center. But you could go weak side if you prefer. I like being able to reach it with either hand.
What I do with my knife is I]put in the appendix carry, position . It is in a Kydex pressure sheath. I have 550 cord on the end tip of the sheath,and I put the loop on the 550, through my belt. When I'm on my back I can pull the knife out, and do some damage. its also canceled.
That dude is a BEAST
@Har2Hurt Mike, if your knife locks into the scabbard you could even put it on your left shoulder/chest strap and it could be a pull downwards draw (which is very natural). Just my 2 cents.
One of the guys I follow on Instagram puts his knife right under his plate so he can he can pull it from his collar. Dude also has I think 1 or 2 other knives on him
About your TQ: In the early GWOT before the CAT was put through the paces, this happened a lot. So, naturally, grunts started not to trust them. The CAT design was beefed up and improved and now Gen 7 CATs are standard issue. However, they are only 1 of several CoTCCC approved TQ's. The others are more expensive though. The SOF-T Wide, which you have in your hand, is on the list also.
About the KNOIFE: You probably know better than me, but a smaller pokey tool might be easier to draw and use in the clinch/ grapple situation. There is a small knife designed for clinch fighting called the clinch pick. It's designed as an emergency tool to create space so you can draw your firearm, not as a weapon for use in a prolonged engagement.
You could line your vest with copper wires and insulate it so you wouldn’t be shocked but you could hook your taser to the wire so if someone tried to grapple you with out insulated gloves they would be shocked
Good video..just makes sense use and train all tools and in tools!! During the mat wrestling scenes the t-shirt guy could have easily gone from whizzer to taking the weapon....weapon retention numero uno !!!!
I used to have one of those MOD Knives. I think Ayoob Massad (sure I spelled and got his name wrong), had them made in the late 90's through some knife company, they stopped and MOD picked it up, and eventually they stopped. But I heard they were popular with EMTs and military Medics, I've read stories of amputations carried out with those. I disliked the version I had because of how polished the edge was. It would melt through paper, but would just slide across rope. But at the same rate, I guess it was designed at that time for stabbing and not slashing.
You should do a weapon test on the chain. I have this foot and a bit long chain that I picked up one day on my way home because I wanted something to fidget with and naturally I soon ended up using it like a flail x nunchuck hybrid on my punching bag. My chain is the kind of chain that would typically be used to keep a box truck's door closed or on a locked fence so it isn't sharp or greasy like a bike chain, and it has 2 ends rather than being connected all the way around.
Love this
For the knife suggestion. What about lower back? On the belt? You could otient it horizontally so it didn't crack a disc if you landed on it and it was along your spine, and I think you could draw it with either hand. You'd have to get on your side, but whatever side you got on you should be able to draw from.
You should check out the SOCP system by Greg Thompson. Its the best thing I've seen for fighting in armor -- lots of focus on weapon retention and getting back to your guns. Also, I highly recommend wearing an ambidextrous fixed blade ring knife on your centerline where you can get to it with either hand at all times. Plus the muscle memory/index point for reaching for the knife is almost the same as reaching for a new 5.56 mag.
You might also consider wearing your pistol on your chest instead of your hip. It makes for a quicker draw at close quarters, a more defensible weapon, and it allows you to draw much easier from a seated position (esp. in a car).
I'm a big fan of wearing my knife horizontally at the waist with the handle pointing at my opponent. It makes it easy to draw with either hand and if the opponent goes to trap it in the sheath, you can pivot your hips back to get it out. Never tried with body armor and a gun though.
Mount the blade on your left shoulder/pec it’s easy to reach with both hands and if they are focused on your sidearm it’s ready as a back up
BRO!!! look up clinch picks and push daggers from shivworks. The guy that designed and sells them is a bad ass and knows his shit. I changed my plans with knife work and selection after watching him
I hope you let the other business know that you're just training in the parking lot. I'd hate for Cliff to get the cops called on him and receive a few "warning shots".
I would love to see more reviews of equipment after running it. Like I have the M2R Pro Warrior for work, and I'd love to see it moved through its paces and really tested.
Loved the slap to the bald head. 🤣
Put knife on your left shoulder if it has enough retention to stay upside down. This way you can either cross draw with right hand or just reach up with left hand. Fighting over gun they would switch priority if they are being stabbed.
Have you considered the clinch pick (by Shivworks) as an off-hand side carry option? It is pretty much designed to get you out of the exact situation you were training at the end.
Go to warrior poet society. They literally have a knife for you and an extreme close quarters combat series with guns.
Hey Mike, get a (fairly large, 3"+) push dagger to lash/clip to your vest, they don't take up as much space and lotta crossover with unarmed techniques. All imho.
Quick on the draw from a crowded position, also.
I think you could probably fit a small push-blade with a good clip-on right behind the chest area so you can access it readily with both arms. If not a push-blade, would have to be something small though. Some police-men i know do that and put one in their boots side or on the vest itself, so its also pretty hidden. Then you can pull it out like you're reaching for your guard.
3:35
Honestly i wanna see a whole unit of Hard2Hurt Final Form. Like, 50 dudes in a tight formation with them whips ready.
6:37 got me scared. I even went and did my investigation on this one. All I've found was people saying how great cats are and that they never snap. What snaps is fake ones and you should know how to tell real tourniquet (or any other medical supply) from fake one.
Also carry a knife on your beltline under your shirt (place it where you can reach it with either hand).
I need to train with my vest, and dummy gun, seems like a good exercise
I know some people like mounting their knife on their shoulder(when wearing a vest) for a quick draw. For rafting it's so they can quickly cut them selves loose if they get on some sort of line. Soldiers I can't speak personally but I would guess they prefer keeping their hands in front instead of to the side.
Teach me grappling is the best general h2h fighting channel, agreed. Yours is the best general fighting channel looking at self defense from many different angles. I only kindly disagree with your view of batons effectiveness :) but you know, nobody's perfect!
7:35 has me thinking, you can probably defend yourself against kimura's or other arm locking techniques if you can hold on to your belt or other straps on your body (assuming they're durable enough). There's probably a whole branch of grappling defenses for different clothing/gear used.
I've defended several kimuras but grabbing my belt. Unless you have a plan though, your grip will eventually get broken
@@GilleanFreire Sure, if you can't use the extra time it buys to escape
A great drill for non-wrestlers who need to get better at wrestling: switch off one person setting up a proper takedown while the other person just actively defends. You can go back and forth or do it for timed 1 minute, etc. A lot of people are gunshy about the takedowns when a chunk of the difficulty is the set up.
Cliff smiling!
Cliff is a beast
Small dude have to have big friends :-)
Mike any knife attached to a plate carier becomes a tool for your opponent to graba. I recomed you take a look at SOCP Dagger from Benchmade.
Hey! Something I don't *think* you've covered yet (if you did, I wasn't able to find it) would be joint locks. It just would be interesting to hear what you have to say about them in a self-defense context.
We did that like 2 weeks ago lol
@@hard2hurt So you did. Looks like I watched it, too, then completely forgot it existed somehow. Alas.
@@hard2hurt Ok, I've rewatched it. That's a discussion on why you think chokes are better (with legitimate reasoning behind it), but it doesn't go into the mechanical aspects of joint locks or their application in a self-defense situation (i.e. which locks are most practical and when to use them, that sort of thing), which is more what I had in mind. But ok.
You didn't need an extra weapon, you need to be about a foot taller and 70lbs heavier, or you just need to hit Cliff with your car 😂
Legit might buy now
@JiveTurkey0001 I mean every body armor company has backlog rn. Hoplite had ppl complain about orders from 6 month ago. And tbf I wouldn't buy a soft rifle plate(can we still call it plate at that point?) regardless. I'd personally stick with the more conventional ceramic at that point
@@gavinlee6196 You mean more conventional steel?
@@scout3058 na, steel isn't as good as ceramic stuff nowadays. Spalling and weight is steels worst issues. Personally I would use steel like ar500 bc it's cheaper, but if we talking abt budget in the 1000s ceramic stuff is the way to go
@@scout3058 t Rex arms made a good video about body armour. They had better explanation than me u should check them out if u r interested
dam bro.....i subscribed already......put the knife away !!! lol
As a medic who used those tq's on actual patients in Afghanistan as recent as 2020 The gen 1 softT is garbage it's too thin so you have to crank the windless so much more to effectively stop the bleeding a cat get 7 or the sofT wide is a much better option
I walk two miles and do pull ups every day in my level 3+ carrier. I don't take it with me to the range though. After watching this I need to up my training.
Now this is the kind of training I like. I even did weirder shit using air guns because real firearms would be too dangerous, such as setting up a range in the apartment boiler room in the basement. Anyways, as Mike just told you, you should always have an off hand option. I see cops with their belts, they have a tazer, gun and pepper spray as well as a flashlight, all on their right side. A few mags and a radio on the left, cuffs in the rear. So they usually have no offhand option. Mike, set the knife lower on the carrier, handle up for good retention, higher on the carrier handle down for ease of access. Mikah from Black Bear custom Kydex, a sheath and blade draw master, pointed out something the other day, that a nice option for an offhand blade is to carry it cross draw, that way you can draw it with either hand, but that would be on a war belt. That was Ssmething I never thought about, but I agree.
Look into a clinch pick. It might be easier to mount on a vest and they are designed for grappling.
Bigman cliff
Look into Shiv Works Extreme Close Quarter Concepts (ECQC). Craig Douglas is a wizard in close quarters combats with weapons in mind. Has great suggestions with what kind of weapons and where to carry and why.
If your pistol mag pouch has Velcro to hold the mag, you can always buy a pocket knife to fit that mag pouch so you will have a knife on you
I have the same vest, I slipped a ka bar TDI on the left side, the clip fits the molle pretty well, for a knife that long, maybe inside the waste band, attached with a lanyard, angled forward on support side? If you demand it be on your vest, it will take up a lot of real estate.
regarding knife position: are you thinking you would wear the vest in a panic situation, hence quickly and ready for action or more covert, like under a coat?
I prefer knives on the lower left side of my back, keeping it more concealed (small punchknife)
However i started playing with the knife on my left shoulder so could grab it with both hands if needed, i just do not like how easy it can be grabbed by someone with a top position.
Any advice?
Also what do you think of tim kennedy's sheep dog response? would you join a class?
So in the world of molle vest stuff and sheaths fuck a tech lock run zip ties/wire ties through the holes on your sheath and then through the webbing. The more ties the better if one breaks or what ever no biggie more are holding it. As far as hands on stuff strongly encourage you to get a trainer knife and roll with the big guy again assuming he knows you have both a gun and knife see how it goes. Great channel love the content!
Great video. Fantastic self evaluation with realistic failures noted.
My only complaints are your presentation to target at 5 minutes (you "bowled" the gun instead of coming up into your workspace and straight out at the target) and your magazine reload method (how you hold the magazine).
What about the Benchmade SOCP dagger for your vest? It only takes up one MOLLE webbing column so it should be easier to get it on there. It's a good, last ditch type of weapon too.
That struggle in the parking lot made me slightly nervous that a trigger happy good samaritan would be driving by and think that an officer was in need of assistance.
The knife thing is a whole separate video. I’ve carried a knife on my vest and was always concerned about weapons retention for two instead of one. My suggestion would be to conceal it as best as possible but yet in a way that you can still draw it. I personally stuck with a pocket knife in my pants pocket.
Your knife in your pocket is your backup to the fixie on the carrier :P
put the training blade on with it and see how easy it is for your opponent to relieve you of a weapon on your web gear in the grapple. I wonder how easy/difficult it is for them
Hey mike, what about a benchmade socp dagger on that vest? Doesn’t have a handle, so an attacker will hardly take it and use against you. Also fits quite well on that molle webbing. I think it might do the trick on those grappling scenarios...