Love your vids and how you break everything down, you truly are the best in the business at explaining your thought process. Keep up the amazing content!!!
@@SpitefulAZ well wizards rigs the shuffler in MTGA anyway. also it's not so much full of hackers as it is just completely unmoderated. the UI is also terribad, tho really every UI for MTG will always be bad, even IRL, just cause it's too complex a game. I've joined casual games of commander where the stipulation for the match would be things like "no infinites" or whatever and then had the very person who started the match play out an infinite, but in those cases you could just assume you've won
Love to see all this builts from you man. I’m so glad to see non meta decks that you can really enjoy and have a good time with. And the fact that you’re so humble makes me feel even better. Keep on bro! ♥️
Deck is great as always but I really appreciate the small bits of humor your insert into your videos, be it through your commentaries or things like the moment at 7:21
This deck is what playing Simic should always feel like. First you play a flying hydra jellyfish and then you also mutate it into a bat and and a Brokkos and so on. That's why I called my first mutate deck evil Simic (Sultai colours). Your deck is much better than mine of course
@Legenvd at 30:15, why did you kill the copy? I would have killed the original, then they wouldnt be able to use thasa blink anymore if they didnt have anything in hand.
probably to deter them from playing another gyruda from hand but since i am just guessing, this comment is more of a way to get a notification for when someone smarter comes along :D
Yeah, LVD's cryptonite seems to be gyruda decks. You definitely need to keep them off mana to slow them down and then yeah kill the main gyruda to prevent spark doubles and thassa blinks.
I wish they had made it so that the creature wouldn't enter the battlefield if they removed the target creature for mutate. Like, they already made all of them pretty value without that extra safety net
@@MineRoyale. Whithout the creature entering the battlefield the mutate would be just another aura enchantment. Trading 2 for 1 is just what makes auras bad.
@@MineRoyale. I thought mutate was beyond broken at first. I guess the only thing that balances it is that you're trading the value for decreased board presence. If you're mutating, you end up with one attacker/blocker instead of two.
He does not have many cards that are actually worth being cheated out with starix. I like the card but it does not fit into this deck imo. Especially starix into krasis is a feels bad moment and he actually mentions starix in his deck explanation
Personally I think the deck could run (Edit: A full playset of) Paradise Druids to great effect. A stack of mutations on a hexproof creature is amazing. My own Sultai Mutation deck is a burn deck primarily combo-ing Paradise Druid, Insatiable Hemophage, and other mutates. Running Umori as companion.
Could be decent, the bar for non-mutate creatures is just very high. It also takes a lot of mana before we actually get the Rider in play, which is probably too slow.
I would definitely try polukranos on this deck, a 0/0 with 6 counters and a very relevant fight hability once it gets a body, and since yo're cycling throught your deck with the cmc 2 frog, you can easily achieve it's scape cast mode.
I think you might want at least 3 gemrazers, or even all 4, considering how popular fires of invention and Elspeth conquers death is. Also gets rid of Oven and Reflection, so it's good vs most decks. Most importantly, it's 4/4, so it's good when mutating on feather or 2 drop even if you don't use mutation trigger. Also green castle seems like a nice inclusion, you have quite a lot of forests, so it will usually come into play untapped, and with umori you can draw an extra card thanks to it when casting Krasis.
I never played against an azorius flyers without the lord, usually the cast it on turn 3 AND 4, but you had the bats anyway. I have to say that starrix version is more fun, and probably more synergistic and effective than krasis. Nice video after all
Hey Legend I have a fairly similar sultai deck. What do you think about including 4 copies of Lazotep Plating? It can protect your mutated creatures, the amass will give you a free non-human to mutate onto and since it also gives you hexproof it will protect you against win conditions like Zenith Flare.
How are you finding platinum? I played a sultai mutate from bronze to platinum but had to switch because every game was against yorion decks and the deck folded hard to sweepers.
Trophy Guide 101 it’s going good, managed to get to platinum 3, it gets swept aside from red white cycles which is all that I seem to be matched up against, if you want you can add me for a couple friendly games, name is MacNeil10#00880
@@19fabregas I've noticed an uptick in cycle decks recently so I might switch back because the sultai deck I played was highly favoured against it as it won by just mutating paradise druid over and over and draining their life while increasing my own with the 4 mana black mutate card (insufferable hermorage or something) so even the biggest zenith flair wasn't enough. Yeah a few games would be fun, I'll add you next time I'm on.
@@TrophyGuide101 I've taken this deck from platinum 4 to mythic: www.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/videos/simic-mutate-standard-andrea-mengucci/ It does lose to yorion and it struggles against counter flash. But it beats pretty much everything else. Don't know if I'd ever play mutate without Starrix. I haven't tried, but it seems weird to abuse a mechanic without the best pay off card.
Do you think the simic mutate version with illumina, Apex of wishes and the Raze board is more powerful, or you sultai version in the actual meta ? Btw, I prefer your list ^^
If you mutate onto one of those lands that can be a creature until end of turn, do they stay creatures? Or does the mutated creature fall off once the turn ends? Or is the mutated creature still there when the land becomes a creature again?
"If a mutating creature spell merges with a creature that's only temporarily a creature, it will remain a merged permanent when the effect making it a creature expires. It still has all of the characteristics of the topmost object, which may cause it to be a creature or to not be a creature, and it has all of the abilities of its other cards."
@@LegenVD thank you. So in theory if I was determined to do something stupid, I could use the Guildmage of the Clans to have a land become a creature for a turn and then mutate underneath it thus protecting it from sorcery speed removal. Then assuming that the guildmage is still alive I can turn the land into a creature and keep on mutating on the next turn.
@@Avatarbee I wonder what other stupid things you could mutate, you could use Karn to make an artifact into a creature 🤔 you could also try mutateing vehicals
The closest comparison is probably to Murderous Rider, which has also fallen out of favor recently. The Bat requires a little more setup, but with the right cards surrounding it like Pollywog and Umori, you can potentially start mutating for one or two mana, which is where it really shines. Like most synergy cards it will be higher variance than a simple removal spell, but that's what makes it compelling to build around.
They are super consistent and you can mulligan aggressive for your payoffs. They are super cheap to craft (lurrus + lands are the only rares), and they are easy to pilot.
I love mutate, but I don't think Brokkos is a real card, especially compared to Snapdax or Illuna. I'm also kind of afraid to run this list against a competitive Fires/Yorion/Ramp deck.
@@NoFutureForG0uda To answer the latter, of ourse it gets to late game .... a tedious, repetitive lategame, but a (possibly) recurring 6/6 doesn't stand a chance in this meta. Starrix is a much more powerful card, but as LVD said, it doesn't really have a home here. Brokkos ia a bomb in limited, but I'm 100% sure it's unplayable garbage in a Standard that goes either under it (LurrusAggro/Cycle) or runs 4 ECDs and lots of sweepers.
against gyruda I don't understand why you killed the double instead of the OG gyruda. spark double, thassa, and charming prince are far less powerful without a gyruda on the field
That's fair, I was mainly thinking about Spark Double which doesn't care about it being the original. This way we save a little more damage and if they play another Gyruda from hand they would lose one to the Legendary rule. But given the Thassa and Prince interaction it is probably worth killing the original.
He searches them before each video. You can see that in the search bar before he goes into the deck. He also has a stacked aetherhub account to keep track of everything that he can't fit in game.
7:21 - I love these little edits here and there! :)
Love your vids and how you break everything down, you truly are the best in the business at explaining your thought process. Keep up the amazing content!!!
Yeeeessss! I love mutate! But you can’t keep doing this to me! I don’t have enough wildcards for every deck you make!
Only two Mutate decks left 😅
it's not legenVD doing that to you tho, it's wizards doing it to you. or yourself, you could just play on cockatrice or some other alternative
@@LegenVD what is the # at the end of your name. Trying to be friends with you.
dont draft this, its not standing any chance in this meta against so many decks
@@SpitefulAZ well wizards rigs the shuffler in MTGA anyway.
also it's not so much full of hackers as it is just completely unmoderated. the UI is also terribad, tho really every UI for MTG will always be bad, even IRL, just cause it's too complex a game. I've joined casual games of commander where the stipulation for the match would be things like "no infinites" or whatever and then had the very person who started the match play out an infinite, but in those cases you could just assume you've won
No almighty brushwagg, but it’s ok. His holiness blesses this deck nonetheless
Love to see all this builts from you man.
I’m so glad to see non meta decks that you can really enjoy and have a good time with. And the fact that you’re so humble makes me feel even better. Keep on bro! ♥️
LOL the "doesn't suck" on the MVC at the end shows your true opinion on this deck. great vid as always
I think it was a pun. The creature is a bat, and they usually 'suck', as in 'sucking blood'.
Deck is great as always but I really appreciate the small bits of humor your insert into your videos, be it through your commentaries or things like the moment at 7:21
This deck is what playing Simic should always feel like. First you play a flying hydra jellyfish and then you also mutate it into a bat and and a Brokkos and so on.
That's why I called my first mutate deck evil Simic (Sultai colours). Your deck is much better than mine of course
racist
@@blitheringape5321 Okay why? Or did you want to respond to someone else?
adding black makes it evil you said
@@blitheringape5321 lol
CAUSE I'M JUST A TEENAGE DIRGE BAT BABY
Thanks for the earworm. ^^
I swear I have gotten so much better at the game after watching your videos! I sometimes hear your voice in my head when I'm making a decision lol
Cool Deck build, thanks for the content as usual! I dropped a land and a single Krasis for 2x Sea Dasher Octopus- it's amazing as a Dirge Bat Partner
Killer deck Legend. Very well thought out.
You need Starrix to compete with Gyruda. Cool deck nonetheless.
I LOVE your version. Made a very similar one today, and it did so good I ranked from bronze 4 to platinum 4 thank you so much
Sweet. I'm hyped about mutating. Thanks for your work.
@Legenvd at 30:15, why did you kill the copy? I would have killed the original, then they wouldnt be able to use thasa blink anymore if they didnt have anything in hand.
probably to deter them from playing another gyruda from hand
but since i am just guessing, this comment is more of a way to get a notification for when someone smarter comes along :D
Yeah, LVD's cryptonite seems to be gyruda decks. You definitely need to keep them off mana to slow them down and then yeah kill the main gyruda to prevent spark doubles and thassa blinks.
@15:31 - you can play your Krasis for x + 1 more due to Umori, worth keeping in mind for that extra token/life/card
Hurray! Finally some love for the Dirge Bat!
I see a LVD video before bed Im happy, game on my dude.
I somehow just love the mutate mechanic, I would really love to see more of it on ladder!
I wish they had made it so that the creature wouldn't enter the battlefield if they removed the target creature for mutate. Like, they already made all of them pretty value without that extra safety net
@@MineRoyale. Whithout the creature entering the battlefield the mutate would be just another aura enchantment. Trading 2 for 1 is just what makes auras bad.
@@MineRoyale. I thought mutate was beyond broken at first. I guess the only thing that balances it is that you're trading the value for decreased board presence. If you're mutating, you end up with one attacker/blocker instead of two.
I think a couple auspicious starrix should be in the deck to help it close out and I just love that card as a value engine
I mention it in the video.
He does not have many cards that are actually worth being cheated out with starix. I like the card but it does not fit into this deck imo.
Especially starix into krasis is a feels bad moment and he actually mentions starix in his deck explanation
Personally I think the deck could run (Edit: A full playset of) Paradise Druids to great effect. A stack of mutations on a hexproof creature is amazing.
My own Sultai Mutation deck is a burn deck primarily combo-ing Paradise Druid, Insatiable Hemophage, and other mutates. Running Umori as companion.
@@Suikeina it does run it, it just didn't draw it
@@wimfranken826 I should have said a full playset. Guess I'll edit my comment.
37:16 bat-on-bat action
Any thought given to Murderous Rider for the removal as its adventure and lifelink makes its a decent card to mutate onto?
Could be decent, the bar for non-mutate creatures is just very high. It also takes a lot of mana before we actually get the Rider in play, which is probably too slow.
I would definitely try polukranos on this deck, a 0/0 with 6 counters and a very relevant fight hability once it gets a body, and since yo're cycling throught your deck with the cmc 2 frog, you can easily achieve it's scape cast mode.
Could be a fine addition, the bar is just really high on expensive non-mutate creatures.
I think you might want at least 3 gemrazers, or even all 4, considering how popular fires of invention and Elspeth conquers death is. Also gets rid of Oven and Reflection, so it's good vs most decks. Most importantly, it's 4/4, so it's good when mutating on feather or 2 drop even if you don't use mutation trigger.
Also green castle seems like a nice inclusion, you have quite a lot of forests, so it will usually come into play untapped, and with umori you can draw an extra card thanks to it when casting Krasis.
I never played against an azorius flyers without the lord, usually the cast it on turn 3 AND 4, but you had the bats anyway. I have to say that starrix version is more fun, and probably more synergistic and effective than krasis. Nice video after all
Hey Legend I have a fairly similar sultai deck. What do you think about including 4 copies of Lazotep Plating? It can protect your mutated creatures, the amass will give you a free non-human to mutate onto and since it also gives you hexproof it will protect you against win conditions like Zenith Flare.
Could be nice, but wouldn't want more than two copies.
I love your decks, I made the snapdax one from last week and its its amazing, first time being in platinum
How are you finding platinum? I played a sultai mutate from bronze to platinum but had to switch because every game was against yorion decks and the deck folded hard to sweepers.
Trophy Guide 101 it’s going good, managed to get to platinum 3, it gets swept aside from red white cycles which is all that I seem to be matched up against, if you want you can add me for a couple friendly games, name is MacNeil10#00880
@@19fabregas I've noticed an uptick in cycle decks recently so I might switch back because the sultai deck I played was highly favoured against it as it won by just mutating paradise druid over and over and draining their life while increasing my own with the 4 mana black mutate card (insufferable hermorage or something) so even the biggest zenith flair wasn't enough. Yeah a few games would be fun, I'll add you next time I'm on.
@@TrophyGuide101 I've taken this deck from platinum 4 to mythic: www.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/videos/simic-mutate-standard-andrea-mengucci/ It does lose to yorion and it struggles against counter flash. But it beats pretty much everything else. Don't know if I'd ever play mutate without Starrix. I haven't tried, but it seems weird to abuse a mechanic without the best pay off card.
Do you think the simic mutate version with illumina, Apex of wishes and the Raze board is more powerful, or you sultai version in the actual meta ? Btw, I prefer your list ^^
Right now I think the Illuna version is better positioned. That could change in a week.
@@LegenVD okay thanks
If you mutate onto one of those lands that can be a creature until end of turn, do they stay creatures? Or does the mutated creature fall off once the turn ends? Or is the mutated creature still there when the land becomes a creature again?
"If a mutating creature spell merges with a creature that's only temporarily a creature, it will remain a merged permanent when the effect making it a creature expires. It still has all of the characteristics of the topmost object, which may cause it to be a creature or to not be a creature, and it has all of the abilities of its other cards."
@@LegenVD thank you. So in theory if I was determined to do something stupid, I could use the Guildmage of the Clans to have a land become a creature for a turn and then mutate underneath it thus protecting it from sorcery speed removal. Then assuming that the guildmage is still alive I can turn the land into a creature and keep on mutating on the next turn.
@@Avatarbee Sounds like a plan.
@@Avatarbee I wonder what other stupid things you could mutate, you could use Karn to make an artifact into a creature 🤔 you could also try mutateing vehicals
LedenVD: We have 4 Sultai Triomes
Zagoth Triome: Am I a joke to you?
What bothers me with mutate is opening up to 2 for 1 and paying 6 mana for a 3/3 with an effect thirteen of a dozen cards achieve with 2 mana.
The closest comparison is probably to Murderous Rider, which has also fallen out of favor recently. The Bat requires a little more setup, but with the right cards surrounding it like Pollywog and Umori, you can potentially start mutating for one or two mana, which is where it really shines. Like most synergy cards it will be higher variance than a simple removal spell, but that's what makes it compelling to build around.
Two Magic the Gathering videos from Luka van Doune, proooobably better known as LegendVD or LVD, in one day? Amazing!
The previews were the appetizer.
32:30 3 mana open.. Thwart the enemy for the win XD
Hey, Legend! Have you already told Wizards of the Coast that we want to return to Kamigawa? If not, do it. Everyone is doing so!
Looks like the Cycle decks are #1 aren't they?
They are very good considering how inexpensive they are to build.
They are super consistent and you can mulligan aggressive for your payoffs. They are super cheap to craft (lurrus + lands are the only rares), and they are easy to pilot.
I'm sure killing original Gyruda was a right play. You'd receive one more damage, but Thassa couldn't bounce it anymore. Am I right?
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I love mutate, but I don't think Brokkos is a real card, especially compared to Snapdax or Illuna.
I'm also kind of afraid to run this list against a competitive Fires/Yorion/Ramp deck.
i guess the point of brokkos is that it makes your goose and arboreal draws better in the late game, but does this game ever reach lategame anymore?
@@NoFutureForG0uda To answer the latter, of ourse it gets to late game .... a tedious, repetitive lategame, but a (possibly) recurring 6/6 doesn't stand a chance in this meta.
Starrix is a much more powerful card, but as LVD said, it doesn't really have a home here.
Brokkos ia a bomb in limited, but I'm 100% sure it's unplayable garbage in a Standard that goes either under it (LurrusAggro/Cycle) or runs 4 ECDs and lots of sweepers.
what laptop and software do i need to play mtgo in england
This is Magic Arena, not MTGO.
Sultai flach please
I think you have to choose between Simic or Dimir.
Fitting Slitherwisp and Frilled Mystic into the same deck wouldn't be consistent.
against gyruda I don't understand why you killed the double instead of the OG gyruda.
spark double, thassa, and charming prince are far less powerful without a gyruda on the field
That's fair, I was mainly thinking about Spark Double which doesn't care about it being the original. This way we save a little more damage and if they play another Gyruda from hand they would lose one to the Legendary rule. But given the Thassa and Prince interaction it is probably worth killing the original.
Guy has only one deck in library ? I have to delete decks everytime I want to try something new... max is 75 btw.
He searches them before each video. You can see that in the search bar before he goes into the deck. He also has a stacked aetherhub account to keep track of everything that he can't fit in game.
28 lands?!
The deck is very mana hungry and you can discard them later with the Pollywog.