Joshua Schmidt Reacts to Head Judge explaining Transaction Rollback Rulings
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ม.ค. 2024
- [Streamed Live on 18th January, 2024]
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Great, now we're once again at the mercy of whether your local Head Judge had his morning coffee or not. I love this game.
Lucky. Mine are usually hungover.
Colorado has the worst judges dude the worst I spent 3k on decks getting back into the game to be forced out of it by fools that can't rule cards. Never have I ever seen so many American rc-1s I got mine to contest the idiot rc-1s
OR just be a better player and know the rulings yourself. You shouldn't get bothered by judges outing themselves for being incompetent dumbasses.
@@Grayewick what??? They'll argue with you until the end of time or just straight up ban you from tournaments if you tell them they don't know what they're doing
Good thing my locals is besides Starbucks
Imagine in world 2024, OCG player banish rollback for the virus, TCG player said you can’t do that and OCG player said yes I can, our virus worded differently! XD
Worlds usually follow OCG ruling anyway, so it will work regardless
@@hirukashiro5995 but this isn’t a ruling issue it is a translation wording issue.
@Zeroyue622 I know. I was just trying to say that world is just OCG everything, card wordings, rulings, etc. It's OCG but with different banlist and cardpool
Then Master Duel usually follows the OCG so I guess it's just whatever they say it is.
isnt even funny
The difference between Diamond Dude and Transaction Rollback is that Diamond Dude says "You can activate the effect of that Spell in your GY" so you only do the post semicolon stuff and that's why you can use Ojama Delta Hurricane with Diamond Dude. Transaction Rollback says (for both the on field and GY effect) "This card's effect becomes that card's activation effect" which is i think why it needs to meet activation conditions to use either effect
this is why Transaction Rollback will be pivotal in the Ojama mirror match
oooooooh thank you!!! i was about to go look for this cause i was thinking of this interaction exactly!
Thank you! I actually commented on the head judge TH-cam video yesterday asking this same thing and it’s funny that my comment was answered here lol
But how does verte do copies of branded fusion and red eyes fusion who can’t meet the activation requirements of their cards
If I recall verte says similar that’s it becomes that cards effect when activated
@@Kurial94 Red-Eyes/Branded Fusion doesn't have any activation requirements. If you're wondering how you can summon other cards and then Verte copy one of them, it's because the restriction on the spells (normal/special lock for REF, Fusion lock for BF) isn't an effect
Conspiracy Theory: Eradicator will be in Rarity Collection 2 with errata card text because this highlighted a mistranslation.
...Deadass maybe given how much it was being used so I can believe it.
all but 1 of the virus cards are worded this way
Are you aware of what the word "conspiracy theory" actually means?
*I guess I'll leave a comment here with a summary on Transaction Rollback and similar effects.*
• When copying a Normal Trap Card's effect, you must meet the activation conditions, but costs are not paid. Anything else normally done at activation, such as targeting or declaring something, is still done as usual and done so at activation of the copying effect.
• You can copy an effect even if you wouldn't be able to pay the cost; e.g. you can still copy Raigeki Break even without any cards in hand.
• Copying cannot be done in the damage step, even if the effect you're attempting to copy can.
• You can only copy the effect of the Trap Card that would be applied when the card is activated, so you cannot copy Big Welcome's effect to bounce a monster.
• You cannot copy effects which would Summon the Trap Card as a monster or Equip it as an Equip Spell. Cards which attach themselves can generally be used, but only if you're able to do so; you cannot use Transaction Rollback's 2nd effect to copy Xyz Reborn, for instance, but you can use the 1st effect for that.
• You cannot copy effects which depend on the cost that was paid. For instance, cards like Burst Breath cannot be copied in any way. Do mind that targeting, declaring cards, etc. are not costs.
• You can copy effects which depend on the column, such as Fuse Line, but only if you're actually activating a card; e.g. Rollback's 1st effect or Trap of Darkness.
• You can copy effects which refer to the “card's activation”, but only if you're actually activating a card; e.g. Rollback's 1st effect or Trap of Darkness. N.B. This is where the sticking point regarding the Virus cards lie; the TCG text mentions this whereas the OCG text does not. Ask your Head Judge. DB will go with the OCG ruling until we're told otherwise.
• When copying effects, whether by banishing from the GY or actually activating a card, you circumvent “Once per Turn” clauses since you are simply copying a card, not activating another copy.
• Restrictions a card applies at resolution; e.g. “...when this card resolves”, are only applied if you actually activate a card; e.g. Rollback's 1st effect or Trap of Darkness.
• Restrictions, which directly refer to the card's activation, such as Heavy Storm Duster, are only applied if you are actually activating a card; e.g. Rollback's 1st effect or Trap of Darkness. It also means you cannot copy these cards via a card's activation if you've already violated their restruction, such as conducting your Battle Phase in the case of Heavy Storm Duster.
• Card text that mentions players are not allowed to respond to a card or effect is NOT copied.
• Cards that will set themselves face-down after being activated can be copied by both of Rollback's effects, but in the case of the 2nd effect, you simply do not apply the 'Set this card face-down' part.
I hope that covers everything; if anyone still has questions, you can post them here.
P.S. Copying Spell Cards, such as via Diamond Dude, works completely differently so do not confuse the two.
Let's make that the card text. Font size 1 pt.
Can you copy Paleozoic Dinomischus with Rollback? What happens? Do you have to target upon activation or resolution?
I mean Dinomischus effect to target and banish a card
So you target AND you have to discard right?
I didn't realise you could evenly matched and then activate Transaction rollback to banish your opponents entire field
As long as the activation requirement/condition is met, you will be able to use it.
Holy shitttt
Yugioh is a serious competitive game.
serious clown fiesta
@@ps_ichit’s the best tcg the only clown is you
It would be great if they knew how their cards worked before making them
It would be great if Tcg gives up trying to be a special girl and just copy the problem solving card text from the ocg. Seriously one of the biggest issues of Yugioh being too hard to learn is because the cards are worded like shit here.
@@nguyentandung42 also this. And number effects with bullet points. There’s zero reason to omit those
@@nguyentandung42 The reason they can't do that is because other languages use more characters per word than Katakana. The cards are just too small to do that with English text.
@@AusVtuber Going from 700 to 703 characters is mot a big increase.
@@XyloWangthe difference is way larger than that but ok.
Transaction Rollback feels like its inevitably going to be banned, like stuff like Verte Anaconda, Tyrant Neptune and Supreme King Dragon Starving Venom, cards which copy other cards effects without tight restrictions (like with several Darklord monsters) tend to be broken.
While the 'Ghost Meets Girl' Floodgate Trap is unfair from a basic gameplay standpoint, at least it is locked into its archetypes meaning it couldn't see play outside of its archetypes. The fact Transaction Rollback bypasses that and basically makes that card Vanity's Emptiness 2.0 is disaster. And even if you ban 'Ghost Meets Girl' there is probably some other trap card Rollback can break. Given the context of its anime appearance, would it really of been too much to include a "Activate only if you control a Cyberse monster" on the card to stop it being completely generic.
Nope. It was used in the anime to copy mirror force with no cyberse monsters present
No ban the Ghost Meets girl trap. It’s turned shiranui into a boring floodgate deck instead of a deck that makes cool synchros and beats your opponent with them.
No traps will be banned, only Beatrice. Transaction Rollback and Ghost Meets Girls are both functioning as intended, Beatrice Lady of the Eternal was made during an era where a Rank 6 was vastly more resource intensive to access and is no longer functioning as intended. Beatrice has had a warrant out since Drytron and Rollback slaps on the cuffs.
I think half your life is a tight restriction but that’s in my opinion
It is broken, absolutely, but IMO it'll be banned simply because it creates rulings nightmares like this, and that's just plain bad for the game
This feels like one of those cards that just shouldn't have been made. A weird effect that uses niche and confusing rulings to, in 95% of use cases, do something incredibly unfun
Everyone at TCG: "Why can't you just be normal?"
TCG: *screams*
Thanks for the Ghost Meets Girl tip lol. Makes me want to be on the lookout for other cards with an archtype-locked cost.
I guarantee none are as strong lol
Loka Samsara? Lol want a “Heart” monster? Or Soul of the Supreme Celestial King for a ZARC? 😂
Predaplant Verte Anaconda is a good example of a card that copies effects, for example if it copies super polymerization, you don't have to discard as part of the cost, but at the same time, your opponent can respond to the effect. Also the activation requirements must be met before the effect can even be activated, for example you need the appropriate fusion card in the deck to send as cost, you need to have LP to pay, and the materials must be present in the field for an appropriate fusion monster in your extra deck.
11:10 - my thoughts were. you target the trap on the grave, the card is not on grave so it can't be equipped because it lost target, the card cannot be equiped FROM the grave at resolution because it is not AT the grave.
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I can't wait to test use cases when this card comes out in MD
So TRB reads copy activated effect. So you have to complete activation requirement otherwise the effect does not activate.
Good that we clarified that.
now this can turn evenly matched into a full board wipe from grave lol
Damn, true
For a long time everything before the semicolon is referred to as cost. We finally have a meta relevant card that forces players to know the difference between activation cost and activation precedure. Besides the handful of people who have faced Junk Collector at a regional and weren't facing blasting the ruins/magical explosion FTK, the majority of players have probably never heard of the difference.
I wonder why they couldn't just add that junk collector activation clause into rollback, (i think it is also on rafflesia).
@@S0liD4CE They typically only add clauses like that to the first of its kind effects or cards that apply really niche game mechanics that haven't come up since pre-PSCT. Junk Collector is usually the reference point for Transaction Rollback. Traptrix Rafflesia and other archetype specific cards that copy effects like darklords typically don't have both an activation cost and procedure.
Spirit Reaper cares about being targeted. Had meta status. Traptrix Myrmeleo (+ Rafflesia) Mandatory SS effect wasn't prevelent in HAT. SD gave them competitive experimentation.
It was never correct. Even in an article about psct refers to targeting and cost separately when explaining what you do at activation
@@chewdoom8415 That's true but there has never really been a point where it widely mattered until transaction rollback.
Man, it's like we should have a place long form articles as well as a cohesive ruling questions
If they say eradicator epidemic virus can't be targeted by transaction rollback in the tcg, I'll start using Unwavering Bond when the opponent sets a pendulum scale because it doesn't mention the "Ghost ogre"-like restriction in the tcg.
The only issue is rollback only works with normal traps and not counter traps (thankfully)
@@babrad No I meant just: opponent sets a pendulum scale, I activate unwavering Bond. (Not a legal play with the OCG text, but a legal one with the TCG text)
“Waah Ghost Meets Girl is so broken with this card!! Vanity’s 2!!!” Haha yeah so crazy, anyway activate King’s Sarcophagus?
To me they should have add sentences to specifie the copied trap in grave should be possible to activate at this timing, as mirror force only activable when an attack is declare.
best way to see this. It replaces the original cost of a copied trap card. So if it requied a discard then yes, ghost meets girl, you replace the cost. D barrier you copy the effect.
in the case of eradicator, even deck devistation virus, or any virus card you can enjoy the benifits if set. This makes sense.
Only issue is the card graveyard effect. These will be big points.
the "condition" such as "to activate i need a winged beast, or 5 cards in gy, (etc)" The condition impacts what is on the board, and the current board state. (this is why you cannot just activate torrential tribute like a mad man/ or even use drowning mirror force.) the condition alone and cause to activate is not met. now if it was a "quick effect" then this will be diffrent as this impacts the card timming too.
I’ll just wait to see what happens when I activate it in Master Duel against Mikanko lol
So in OCG, if you draw using maxx c effect, while under the same turn when EE was activated, you don't need to show your card to your opponent, since it states "3 turns, counting after your opponent's turn" did i get that right?
Something to note about Master Duel text. It displays the TCG database text, but it uses the OCG database text.
The next step for Master Duel is to replace TCG card writing with OCG writing but in English.
@thonkingindeed It would be much appreciated. But they essentially reference the regional card database. So if they just update the card database to help the TCG anyway with current PSCT for everything, then it would also make Master Duel better.
asking for clarity
if there was a trap that could only be activated before dmg calc (don’t know any examples)
would rollback just be unable to copy the effect since the card itself doesn’t modify attack?
For the first scenario.... It is treated as new card when it leaves any zone. So you banish for cost but then if you were to equip it it "forgets" what it was while banished. So that's why imo you can't even do it in the first place.
You simply cannot copy effects that summon or equip themselves, regardless it is 1st or 2nd effect of TRollback, or Trap of Darkness. Effects that attach themselves as materials will be allowed as long as the requirements are fullfilled.
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Diamond dude and rollback have to be different right? Because Diamond dude can activate Ojama Delta Hurricane while the activation requirement is not performed.
"you can activate the effect of that Spell in your GY" vs. "this effect becomes that card's activation effect" difference.
Diamond Dude doesn't require meeting the activation requirement while Transaction Rollback does. Obv both don't need to pay any cost.
Diamond Dude is different. Diamond Dude, even with PSCT, specifically does not carry Rollback's 'becomes that card's activation effect' text. Meaning Rollback requires the card's activation requirement in order for it to be copiable, but Diamond Dude does not have this restriction. So you are able to, as you said, copy the effect of Ojama Delta Hurricane without requiring 3 Ojamas.
What if it's like accesscode? where it loses the targeting aspect so it will get around targeting protection?
Wing blast should be errated to discard 1 card ; and if u do put that target on the top of the deck
damn josh almost skipped the EEV explanation because he was so certain that he already knew how it worked.
I don’t see how EEV Ruling is confusing. The “for 3 turns” part of the effect is still part of the whole effect of the card. So you activate rollback, target EEV, declare spells/traps, destroy spells/traps, and for the next 3 turns all spells/traps drawn get destroyed.
It works in master duel and if Konami hasn’t declared it as an issue then I believe that is how it should work. It’s basically like chaining labrynth barrage to EEV. It’s pretty close to the same thing.
30:52 ohhhh so this is why in MD if you used big welcome effect in grave it does not count towards your daily of *activating* a trap card. You only activated the effect
It's also the same in the TCG.
The keyword is "Card", that's why many omni negates have "card and effect" in their wording.
Yes. For the same reason Traptrix Sera effects it's not triggered by trap effects activating in the graveyard since she requires a trap card activation.
12:58 if I understand rulings right, the problem is with the wording “this card” and the card being banished.
Once the card is banished, it is no longer “this card”
Labrynth is a candidate for top 3 decks to be banned in April? With this acquisition of Rollback, does it consolidate this?
If it stayed in the graveyard then it would equip too the monster. Sadly, since it banishes it cannot equiped. For example, pseudo space banishes field spell in grave too become the field spell right. Its banishing the spell in grave but isnt leaving anywhere so its not reintroduced. This is why transaction rollback cant become a equiped. Rollback is unique and not that broken.
No, effects that summon or equip themselves cannot be copied by both Transaction Rollback's effects. Effects that attach themselves as materials can be copied.
If the ocg and tcg would have a different ruling - different way of resolving, it would be a problem when the card comes to master duel, as some ppl play in japanese and some play in english etc
There are a bunch of cards that have different rulings between ocg/tcg
Master duel just follows the ocg ruleset + ocg ruling database and simply ignores any tcg rule differences
@@mattr791 It really sucks when they have different rulings, like hand triggers. I dont care which one but Konami please just pick one to make it universal everywhere.
I also agree to ban eradicator, easy solution lol
Does DD Crow prevent Transaction Rollback from resolving? It specifies “that card” in the copy effect so I think if you banish whatever Transaction Rollback targets. If it works this way then DD Crow seems beyond mandatory to not get rolled by a Vanity’s Emptiness before you can even do anything. The Mayakashi trap will have to be banned and both EEV and D Barrier should’ve been banned ages ago.
Vanity's Emptiness is a continues trap, not a normal trap.
@ dragonqueenniisan4122 the Shiranui trap shown in the video is a one turn special summon lock accessible off Transaction Rollback. Hence, Vanity’s Emptiness
@@dariuspenner2528yes DD crow works against rollback unlike something like Verte.
You are correct, chaining D.D. Crow in response to Transaction Rollback will cause Rollback to resolve without effect.
One important note that I feel obligated to point out. Cards and effects ALWAYS resolve. They will either:
1) resolve with effect.
2) resolve without effect.
3) resolve negated.
Yall cry about EEV and D barrier because one deck runs them competently.
Problem doesn’t sound like them being overpowered, sounds like a problem of people being overly dependent on the extra deck.
"Except Frog the Jam." "Except Harpie's Brother." Counter Counter. Konami established a long time ago that if a TCG card's text and an OCG card's text conflict, the TCG text is wrong. I don't know why judges are still ruling like this isn't the case. If Transaction Rollback can target, copy, and resolve the full effect of EEV in your GY in the OCG, it can do it in the TCG. The TCG's EEV has an error in its text and the OCG's (correct) text must be used in all rulings. That's all there is to it.
TCG rules are still different even with these attempts to make TCG and OCG work more similar to each other. Like Trigger Effects work completely differently in TCG and OCG still.
@@hannessteffenhagen61the only fundamental difference between TCG/OCG is that Hand Triggers aren't able to chainblock because they are private.
But on specific cards we have a lot of differences. For example Fusion Tag to this day works very differently.
Lol i pulled one the other day. Just tossed it into my traptrix deck and added foolish burial goods. I don't like the first effect. The banish from grave is crazy tho
Opinion on using TR on-field to target your opponent's Horn: It should copy the equip effect, but not the continuous effects, so you end up with TR equipped to a monster for no benefit.
Wow so with eer it sounds like a translation issue not a ruling issue Konami needs to clarify this ASAP but they prob won’t.. I like at the end it’s just oh the wording is actually all the same so it should work all the same regardless 😂 got me
This card will be banned ASAP. The fact that it can copy a card that has a hard once per turn text is too much.
Earlier in our locals tournament, I faced a guy that plays Labrynth with THIS card. It was such a nightmare.
I see Beatrice to be banned first tho...
Beatrice is being banned way faster.
Either Beatrice or Eradicator. LOL.
@@BGLoscar maybe both if we are lucky
Thank you, purple Tyrant, for the circus
Someone on DUELING NEXUS USED ROLLBACK TOO COPY THE EFFECT OF the virus card And... It went through!! .. Virus card was in the Gy along with rollback and OPP used rollback too COPY virus effect
In a similar random sense, I have a question (from observing a game). For instance, my opponent is playing Ghoti, and I use DD Crow to banish Snopios. On resolution, the Snopios attempts to banish a fish from grave to add itself to hand, I then chain Ghost Belle to negate. Is this legal? Because I thought the banish on Snopios is cost, but after this video, I'm not sure. The judge ruled that Belle could be activated and negate the Snopios.
I could be mistaken, but I think that judge was incorrect. Banishing another fish certainly appears to be a cost to activate the last effect of Snopios, therefore it is not an effect that banishes a card, nor is it an effect that summons anything, nor is it an effect that adds a card from the GY to the hand (since it's adding a card from the banished zone to the hand).
@@phiefer3 As a Ghoti player, I can confirm that this is correct. Belle can negate a card like Arionpos that targets a fish in the GY banishes it on resolution. Snopios banishes for cost, which is not an activation requirement.
Just errata EEV to say „for the next three of their turns“.
So after talking to some judges in the netherlands it seems like u CAN use rolback on eradicator when in grave because unlike extingtion on schedule it has as effect that does something directly (checking field/hand and destroying cards) HOWEVER, the part of the effect that checks draws for 3 turns after activation will not take effect since no card got activated
Is there an update on eradicator ?
It’s actually simple how cards read. Activation requirement: cost; effect
No, not all cards are structured that way, in fact, a lot of cards are not like what you mentioned. Check Raigeki Break, or Phoenix Wing Blast mentioned in the video. They only have the "...; ...." structure, which basically mix the cost and the activation requirement in the same sentence before the ;
For once I was aware of a controversial ruling such as the cost of copying effect cards.
Recently in Time Wizard formats I'm cooking a lot with Serial Spell which has a literal essay as a ruling explanation. For example: if you chain it to magical stone excavation you need to target the second card you are attempting to add to your hand.
you know what would be extremely funny? seeing the differences between Transaction Rollback and Destiny Hero Diamond Dude, because they do not work the same way XD
transaction rollback will be banned it def feels like it more and more the way all these situations make more complicated issues
They’ve banned cards for being ruling nightmares before right? It will have its moment in the sun, but I don’t see it lasting for too long.
@@SuperSilver316Last Turn been banned since 2005, I think.
this is why card games have a rule book. if you need to ask the judge to know how a card would resolve its an failure on konami. judges should only be needed to clear mid game confusion not the basic act of resolving a card properly. players should be able to read the card and know how it resolves, with a rulebook to the side if there are niche rulings or mistake mechanics.
What about Soul Of the Supreme King/Soul of The Celestial Supreme King and Transaction Rollback ?.
Soul of The Supreme Celestial King should work without any issues. Soul of The Supreme King has 2 effects. The first one which just summons is no issue but I'm not sure if the second effect would work
@@MaexxLoL You can not copy the GY effect of Soul Of The Supreme King (or any other trap card) with Transaction Rollback, Transaction Rollback can only copy on-activation effects of traps.
Other than that, you can copy both effects normally.
you can copy eev with transaction rollback in md
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Gotta love the piss poor job Konami TCG does compared to the ocg. you'd think after the 4th "except frog the jam" issue they would hire a translator worth a damn. Konami TCG will probably just reprint it with the correct text in a reprint set like altergiest manifestation or altergiest hexia. Assuming they give a shit.
Well for gandora they never fixed the text. So why would they do it for eridicator
@@dannyboers4704gandora was one of the very few TCG mistranslations that actually became an OCG errata for balancing reasons.
ocg: of course we have an entire rulings database that we update all the time why wouldn’t we?
tcg: I WORKED ALL MY LIFE FOR THIS JUDGE POSITION WHAT I SAY GOES
from my understanding, transaction rollback can indeed copy eradicator epidemic virus, but the effect to look and destroy THAT TURN resolves, but the lingering effect that lasts 3 more turns doesnt apply. EEV still has an effect that activates this turn.
if you used EEV on the field and declared traps, you look and only see spells, you can use transaction rollback to copy it again and declare spells, clearing all the spells in hand, however, for the next 3 standby phases, only the EEV that was used on field for traps will continue to look and destroy, the one copied by rollback will not.
At first I would have argued such. But the effect of Erad is both destroying the declared card type PLUS the lingering condition. You can't just copy the part of the effect which doesn't defy the activation requirements.
In any case, thank God you can't copy Erad. Turning Beatrice into a free "blowout of a third of the card pool" is just stupid.
@@ivanmaterazzo2631this is not confirmed, only speculation at the moment. And we have followed OCG plenty of time despite our cards being worded differently.
Personally I believe Rollback will be universally ruled to copy EEV (I just want an errata in addition so that our PSCT doesn't seem useless)
@@babrad I'm sorry, but if you believe EEV deserves an errata just to achieve an universal agreement, you have to be biased my dude.
Also, do not use "we". Many times judges refused to acknowledge OCG ruling resources. Even during major events.
@@ivanmaterazzo2631 why am i biased? Because i want the cards to work the same way in both TCG/OCG (hand triggers is the only exception and is a core mechanic not a card ruling)
I also want an errata for Fusion Tag and other cards that are confusing to this day.
About "we", i was referring to the community, and not that i have judged major events. A prime example is TTT vs CL2 Branded in Red summoning Guardian Chimera. There have been some issues with "bad apples" (especially NA rulings) but after Master Rule Revision 2020 this is becoming less and less relevant.
@@babrad I'm sorry fella. I just find hard to believe someone not playing specifically Lab or somehow a Beatrice spam deck, would love to see cheap access to a ban worthy card such as EEV, lol.
But if you are fighting for a noble cause I apologize.
To me that's not the right battleground.
Emergency ban EEV not bothering about reprints.
yh pak went over this on stream
tldr u can not erad with rollback
Having the TCG version of a card work differently the OCG version is stupid, ESPECIALLY when it's just due to essentially a mistranslation. Just stick to the original OCG text.
Deck Epmedimic Virus is a super old card, translated before localizers realize how important it is to translate as accurately as possible cuz it wasn't just semantics. You can't just translate "Summoned Daemon" as "Summoned Skull" just cuz you think it's cool.
That card is going to cause a lot of Saltiness and i love it and hate it lol
I am once again asking Konami to put universal symbols and acyonyms for common phrases instead of reading a dictionary
Trap of Darkness lol
so is this card basically D-Hero Diamond Dude?
More like Verte Anaconda. Diamond Dude is worded differently, hence works differently.
Eradicator ev has multiple effects therefore its still a valid target
Personal opinion
No. EEV doesn't have multiple effect. It only has 1 effect. If you can resolve it fully, you can copy it. If any requirement/part of effect cannot be met, you won't be allowed to copy it, simple as that.
Video starts @ 8:00
So anything before semicolon that alters the game state is a cost, got it.
So its destiny hero Dimond dude
Cicular best card
As Shiranui enjoyer, another example why the trap is a bad support for the arctype.
So explain to me how you meet the activation requirement for winged wind blast..... When you didn't activate it. Makes zero sense.....
Imagine when OCG has cleaner and simpler rulings then big ol' western TCG wants to complicate things and be like, hey OCG, just make cards, I'll take the rulings from here! Kinda makes me chuckle on how they made everything complicated, honestly at this point they should just copy MTG and add simpler card text that way they wont need to make paragraph effects lol
Wouldn't eradicator still do the destroy spells effect, even if it couldn't do the other effect?
It will still destroy spells or traps but it will no longer linger for 3 turns
@@lz9275 That's what I thought. That's the important bit anyway.
No, by the TCG wording you couldn't activate the graveyard effect of TR on Eradicator _at all_ . It's unclear yet if it will actually be ruled that way, they could also decide it works like in OCG in which case the destroy in hand/field and the lingering destruction would both work normally. It is _not_ possible for only half the card to work either way.
@@lz9275this is NOT how YGO works, you can't "half resolve" effects unless they have ALREADY LEGALLY ACTIVATED or require a luck factor (like dangers)
@@hannessteffenhagen61 I legit thought that it's two different effects. One that destroys immediately, and a second that applies a lingering effect. Even if the second isn't legal, wouldn't the first still activate?
People have never played with or read dark lord cards, evidently.
No. I dont get a chance to response to cost. also i can remove a target. Now what that card is non targeting. This doesnt following yugioh rules.
Semi-colonoscopy
This is why I play master duel
Is it just me or tombox didn’t answer to the first question??
The only thing I really hate about Yu Gi Oh is that you have to have good reading comprehension and interpretation skills just to be able to fucking play it. I wish we had the OCG way of writing cards, and it could be made better by having keywords such as COST, ACTIVATION CONDITION, EFFECT 1, ON SUMMON EFFECT, etc...
tcg with rarity of cards and ruling ICANT
TLDR:
Activation conditions (before the colon) must all be met. Activation timing must still be correct.
Before the semicolon:
Costs are not paid.
Other parts of the activation procedure (targeting, declaring card names/types) are done on activation of rollback.
The effect is only the part after the semicolon, this is what is applied as rollback's effect.
Eradicator should not work according to TCG text, but there are situations where we just apply the OCG ruling. Ask your head judge.
Cost just means it happens before opponent can respond, and you have to be able to pay the cost to fulfill its activation requirements. If it says target before the semi colon, it’s still targeting for cost. Duh.
No, costs are activation requirements but not all activation requirements are cost. Targeting is _not_ a cost, but it _is_ an activation requirement. This is not some new ruling, that's always been how it works, and the video even went over it again like 3 times.
This mindset is what makes a lot of people confused. This is not the official way of understanding "cost". Everything before a ; is activation requirement, which some part of it can be cost, but not all of them is cost
The player base tried to make this simpler by saying that everything before a ; is a cost. Which, to be fair, a very good way to simplify an already complicated yugioh. But a side effect of this is that it misleads players to the wrong understanding, and it causes problem when a relevant card like Rollback challenges that simplification
Wtf rollback sounds like it should of never been printed or at most at 1 either it gets ban or it gets a bunch of cards ban
Another point for Master Duel. Konami is compelled to program the rulings they want into the game, effectively the final authority, rather than leaving up to the whims of judges taking shitty guesses with potentially conflicting outcomes.
Yugioh is just another comprehension reading class
So intuitive that even the punctuation matters
Their is condition you can make and other no
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The TCG really needs a central body of authority when it comes to rulings and rely completely and utterly on card text and interpretation of said card text; not only is PSCT not infallible, but people can still interpret interactions differently. In the TCG, it is my opinion EEV should not be able to be copies by Rollback's second effect, just because of the card's text. I think Konami will have to think about this for a while, but TCG PSCT is, imo, doomed to fail as the last and only line of defence; card text is so complicated, effects so elaborate, and the space for card text is actually running out.
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What an unnecessarily complicated game. Just copy EVERYTHING on the original card and leave it at that, sheesh. The only ruling needed is that since it banishes itself, it can't maintain the equip effect of certain cards.
Adding the clause "this card's activation" is unironically one of the best future-proof balancing decisions ever made by the TCG, but not enough to redeem itself from the sin of Maxx "C".
Snake eyes > Fire king, we should stop playing fire king with snake eye engine and play snake eye with fire king engine
this card should have never been released... want more ppl to play your game and in the same time you go and make cards like this that not even judges or the rules (that barely even exist) know how to react to..
You know who reads and who needs to go back to school with regarding transaction rollback
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i hate the TCG so much, just use the same rullings as the OCG FFS