Regarding that Chicken Noodle Soup graphic- she didn’t mention that J-Hope paid the authors of the song 1.2 million for the rights to use the song did she? Nope!
her: I dont believe in blaming people for old mistakes. I made this video because racism keeps happening in KPOP also her: lemme talk for 30 minutes about 2013 bangtan and noone else she thinks she's slick
Thank you Jurn for reacting to this and giving your thoughts. I'm tired of this bs that people keep giving BTS. I get they made mistakes in the past but please they are now better people and have learned. leave them alone, no one is forcing you to like them. The fact that till this day Namjoon is still getting dragged for being “racist” and “misogynistic” blows my mind😭
regarding the 'but namjoon' point, whenever an idol got called out for saying or doing ignorant/ racist things (not 10 years ago but RECENTLY) their fans would defend them and say 'but namjoon did this too' basically, namjoon did xyz so therefore you're not allowed to criticize my fav for doing the same (even tho again, namjoon did it 10 years ago, some of these idols do it to this day.) this also gets brought up when army just praise him, bitter fans will remind you that 'but hes a terrible person tho :)' its hard to find a single kpop group that hasnt done these things/ never did anything ignorant or insensitive. just ~2 years ago, a girl from a popular group sang along to a song and said the n-word on camera (not a performance, just behind the scenes vibing) and of course most people called her out, but not without having some fans bringing up the 'but namjoon did this too so shut up'. imo it just shows that they dont actually care, they just see everything as a fanwar, instead of caring about the actual issue. theres a legit subculture that just hates namjoon and keeps digging up his past to insult him/paint him as a horrible person as if he hasnt shown clear growth, and to defend or deflect from their own fav that is just as, or even more 'problematic' to this day. army also never denies that these things happened. but a lot of kpop stans will just ignore it when it comes to their favs, or straight up deny it. for example, when blinks hated on bts and brought up that 'namjoon said the n-word', army posted a clip of their fav, jennie from bp, who also said the n-word in a song. but since the n-word is censored with a peep in the video, blinks will forever deny that she actually said it, when its obvious. case in point, they dont care whether or not namjoon or jennie actually said that word, they just want to have that gotcha moment to hate on namjoon. its once again all fandoms against bts/army, the 'but namjoon' card is played by all of them and therefore became like an instant eye-roll expression for army, and evidently namjoon himself is aware of the usage of that phrase as well. sorry that this got so long lmao.
There were very few instances that were offensive in this video. The creator didn’t really seem to explain the harm caused (I’m not saying there wasn’t, I’m just saying it wasn’t a video that was informative enough). Especially the teepee in the background - are we not allowed to use teepees anymore? That’s news to me, a lot of these instances are a sign of ignorance rather than intentional racism. This was a huge waste of my time. I’m not even trying to defend BTS, I was just expecting a compelling argument of intentional racism and harmful content.
ugh, some people act like other genres weren't in bts' first albums and only came with HYYH era in 2015. meanwhile Like is literally on their debut album. and there's also Junt One Day, Coffee, Tomorrow, Miss Right, Look Here, etc, all before HYYH sure they have changed their image with HYYH, but in MUSIC they were already more diverse than just hiphop that's besides the point though, im just not happy with the wording of this lady.
Pls u gotta react to the 40mins long kpop racism and culture appropriation by the same girl, bc she tried to say what BTS are terrible bc of their past mistakes, when BTS faced way worse racism and death threats from white and black ppl bc they were korean, americans comparing them to Kim Jong Un, saying they eat dirt, dogs and cat,look like monkey, literally every asian stereotypes to can think of BTS faces and more. BTS past mistakes is literally nothing compared to the racism and hate they have received daily from the same ppl that act like they gaf about racism.....
I feel like I have a sort of different view when it comes to cultural appropriation. For me personally as a black person I actually don’t gaf if ur white or asian or wtv and you wear dreads or corn rows or any of that. I’d say cultural appropriation is when you use those things to elevate yourself as a non-black person and then completely drop it once your up. Like putting on a “black costume” and taking it off when ur at the place you wanna be at. I feel like BTS absolutely culturally appropriated in their past whether it was intentional or not. They put on costumes of what they thought was cool and hip-hop. However I don’t think that they’re disingenuous in their love for black music. They credit their inspirations, they take accountability for their actions, they haven’t “dropped black music”, and they learn from their mistakes. I don’t think ppl that were racist or anything would do that lol 😭 as far as the colorism idk how far that stems for them or if it’s something they even consider when interacting with ppl that are naturally more melanated but at the end of the day colorism amongst Koreans is very prevalent and I do hope that they’ve self reflected and maybe have different views of themselves when they get tanned.
I agree! And I wanted to add that the word “appropriation” bothers me because I was always raised to think that copying someone is the most sincere form of flattery. Just because a bunch of kids starting out in the music business tried to differentiate itself from all the other run of the mill kpop acts by making meaningful music, wearing clothing, and speaking a certain way which happens to be influenced by a different culture, doesn't make it cultural appropriation. To me, appropriation is when you try to take someone else's cultural identity as your own cultural identity AND not give credit to its source. At no point did BTS wear those clothes or try to speak in a certain way or make certain styles of music without giving credit and saying that they were huge fans of hip hop, rap and R&B and the members have many times listed their inspirations and idols. That said, BTS really genuinely loves the culture and it continues to influence their music and their fashion sense.
I just like to point out half of the things said were when they were teenagers/early 20's and so much dumb things are said at this age most of it being about colorism. They have matured as a group and has always credited their art and inspiration to Black creators. They have never pretended that it was never from our culture. Yoongi's sample of Jim Jones is a prime example of how people don't do their research when it comes to BTS lyrism & music. They just heard the sample and condemned it. The sample was used to condemn society, in particular Jim Jones and those type of leaders, if they actually read his lyrics they would see how the sample emphasized his message in the song.
Hi Jurnalist- People are going to be submitting “stuff” to increase issues with BTS. The resurfacing of old issues from 2013, 2014, 2015 etc. was a different world. Also, in regards to colorism, EVERYONE of color has those issues because of COLONIALISM and the perpetuation of the myth of white superiority. It has affected how the former colonized view themselves and others in the world. This video being brought up at this time is from the Min Hee Jin playbook and the attempt to bring BTS down and create issues between BTS and ARMY, and within ARMY to make people abandon BTS.
Thank you and I agree. It’s this type of agenda-driven “journalism” that is trying to create a narrative. Look at all the stories trying to spin Vs convo with Suga on Suchwita (talking about how exhausted they were in 2018) into a narrative that V and JK wanted (and still want) to leave the label and go solo. That wasn’t what they said nor what the discussion was about, AND the articles conveniently omitted V stating that all those negative feelings are long gone. @Jurnalist, please take these types of video essays with a grain of salt and view it with the knowledge you’ve already gathered from what the members themselves have said.
Basically the three words is namjoons name. In the picture he’s pointing at a sign with three characters that spell out his full name Kim Namjoon. The “but Namjoon” thing is referring to when a kpop idol is under fire for something. Like say a member from a group in SM said the N-word, to defend the idol, the fans of that kpop idol will say “but Namjoon did (insert thing here)” to water down the actions of the idol they’re defending
I can tell you about racism (towards black people in particular) in Russia. I’ve been taught that racism is a bad thing (as mocking or offending people of another race/culture). But most of people are still not aware of things like n-word (etc) and cultural appropriation (what I personally can’t get. Isn’t it a cultural appreciation if nobody mocks?). I personally understood all these things only in my 18 by youtube and Netflix. Just because lots of things are not close to our culture. Historically, we didn’t have many black people in Russia, even slaves/serfs were white too, so thing like n-word is not even a topic here. FYI calling a person “black” is much ruder and offensive than other variations here. Just like many other people I was listening to rap and hearing n-word but never knew the real context of this word. Tbh I thought it was just another addressing to a black person because in Russia we address them as “negr”. I just mean that some people need to understand the historical context and difference between the cultures. And others should try to be aware of global problems and always educate themselves+not to make same mistakes. We can’t just blindly cancel everybody, can we? PS. I’m not trying to justify anybody here, I’m not the right person to do so. Just adding another point to conversation.
The video creator doesn't appear to have any understanding of Asian culture. They're not completely wrong but so one-sided. Even ignorant about the music business bc for sure early BTS did not make those style choices. They were dressed by stylists. Thanks Smokey for a balance and fair commentary.
@@soop5414 it will surprise you that the creator was actually an army before. She is very much aware of all of this but believes it is not an excuse for their past behavior. She just doesn't like bts anymore
@@mirabel_moonchildwhich is sad because if she really knew bts and the fandom, she’d know their hearts well….if she went with other K-pop grps then that’s even worse, performative and misinformed anger/hate, especially when no other has put themselves out in the line, donating $1.0M to blm and Army, the highly diverse fandom in religion, gender, age, nationality matching another milly in 24 hrs so…..yah. This fandom that set up charity project w/ Hotties fandom as a thank you to Megan d stallion and a clap back to her extortionist arrogant label that tried to block the release of her remix with bts, and so many more. I understand her though. Ignorance breeds hate for sure. It’s more a reflection of her than bts and Army. All cool. Those who do a deep dive know and Army keep all the receipts & records. Those who are not intellectually dishonest know better.
@ from what I've seen she just seems to hate the entire K-pop space as a whole. I watched her videos and just wondered why she does what she does. As a black K-pop stan myself there is just a community of very misguided black K-pop stans in her comments section as well. To each their own I guess
@mirabel_moonchild That's sad to hear. But I wouldn't brush it off as to each their own. Because they're not keeping it to themselves. These videos cause more people to become misguided. So I'm glad for Smokey 's commentary. And grateful for your input too. 💜✌️
So at timestamp 5:46 you wanted an explanation of what she was talking about. What she said, I don't undertand, because it had nothing to do with the picture. The actual picture with the banner is from Intro: Persona, RM's solo song to MAP OF THE SOUL. And the banner spells out his name Kim Nam-joon which is three syllables. 김남준
i cant speak korean fluently yet, but i can make research 깜둥이 kkamdoongie depends on the context a lot 1. said by korean to korean positively it means "tan". this was the case when Jimin called that Jungkook cutely 2. said by korean to korean negatively is colorism. It was used in kpop in derogatory way, im not going to point fingers, but it was a line in a song written by another young and inexperienced idol, but she's not mentioning it here for some reason, yet has a whole documentary about everything 2013 bangtan did wrong. her aim of the conversation is crooked at best 3. said by korean to black person it means the n word
I feel that people perceive the N word in a black American way, and point fingers expecting all countries to know and understand it's weight, but the rest of the world had a different history and development of this word. I'm west-asian, born in italy lived there most of my life, then moved to the UK. I got called equivalents of the N word in my west Asian country (won't say where as this comment has already too much about my identity) and frequently in italy, with old people using it even lovingly when I was a child (like, oh you're such a cute little N), and people hurling it at me as an insult. While it is a racist, it is not perceived in such a way that it gets censored everywhere, even in writing, because the development of the word hasn't landed there (yet). So can you imagine what happened when I moved to the UK?? Someone said something about the "N word" and I'm like "what's the N word?". They try to explain and I go "ooooh you mean N (insert full word)". They were SHOCKED. I said "wym, I'm not calling you the N word, I'm saying ppl used to call me N (insert full word) often" they warned me that if I say that again I'll have to leave. I was baffled, and I still am tbf, that I cannot say what ppl called ME to insult ME, I'm quoting something that was said to ME but apparently because I'm "brown" and not "black" I can't say that, even though I'm black enough for the racists. But it's a cultural difference so of course I adjusted... but I didn't know before because I grew up in countries that don't censor this word yet. There is an expectation for everyone to know American history, despite America knowing and respecting fk all of other cultures, and that grinds my gears. Anyways, for me BTS is an example of this... they didn't know and it took them some time to shift and adjust to integrate what they know now, but they make the effort.
Yoongi in that pic was mixing the song "Honsool" not the song with the problematic sample that by the way they removed and apologized for after the criticizm, it's literaly not on the album... And most of those JHope pics are actually not braids if you look clearly, especially the Chicken Noodle Soup' one but just curls made with gel. .. Clearly the creator of this video wanted to set BTS up and incite hatred towards them, you can literaly hear it in her narrative tone.
I agree with you on almost every thing I'm never going to chastise them for being colorist to their own people. When I am a black woman, we have done the same in our own culture, i called a dude, light skinned and told me him he was being sensitive recently I'm gonna have to learn to do better and try not to act like that. The hair it could go either way, are you wearing the hair, because you like it and you understand at least the cultural references to it, which I believe that they do, for the most part, or are you doing it, because it's a costume and you think it looks cool I'm not gonna walk around with chopsticks in my hair, because I don't understand the cultural reference to that and thats offensive But if I'm in South Korea in a Hanbok and go to a Temple I don't think I'm culturally appropriating. I do understand the cultural references to that. And I also it kind of goes both ways, which is the sad part about Asian and black/African American relations. Like Kendrick Lamar's nickname was Kung foo Kenny. We appreciate or at least like each others cultures, but I think there is a gap in the understanding of the cultures. And i blame white people lol (but i dead ass do)
In my family it’s crazy we are all black precisely from Nigeria although we live in the Uk now, but my mom always says something about me and my brother’s skin either getting lighter or darker I don’t care much about my complexion but my bother comes to me and ask now if his skin is getting lighter😢 ( fortunately at least she won’t dare recommend bleaching skin). My uncle and his cousin even compared my bother to darker skinned African’s like Sudanese and ask him if he bathed properly.
This issue is what I believe is what falls under “what-about-ism”. As if one person doing something wrong means it’s ok for others to repeat it when it’s become unacceptable later on. Two wrongs don’t make a right. In fact IMO it’s more of an issue when you do it in a time when it is known to be taboo. The difference between BTS committing such an offense vs other is that BTS mostly apologizes and makes effort to learn and not repeat the offense whereas other artists use what-about-ism to justify their behavior or they flat out deny they did it even when it’s recorded. At some point I hope SK realizes that accountability matters because all these KNetizens engaging in bullying should be held accountable
the amount of things that refer to asian colorism that she's trying so hard to portray as black hate says that she's either tremendously miseducated about asia which is surprising considering she's covering kpop or she just wants to have more points on bts' mistakes list. act surprised
I dont have an issue with the topic she stives to address, but rather I'm questioning her motives If we want to actually address the problems, why dont we talk about all kpop groups? Why is BTS the center of attention, while all other groups are a post note, a text on the screen or, most often than not, are not mentioned at all. I'm telling you now, it's not hard to make a similar compilation about non bts kpop acts. She focuses on BTS for what purpose exactly? Are we addressing racism in kpop or are we listing things to dislike BTS for? Because there's not a single PIECE of analysis in her video, it's just a compilation that gives no outputs or conclusions. It's not properly structured either. She's very vocal about bts being problematic, while covering asian colorism as if it's black hate, but then she includes examples of other korean people doing actual black face, but its only shown as a text on the screen, not a word said out lous - what is this editing? Looks to me like she recorded her parts about BTS, looked at a final result and thought it wasn't cutting deep enough to aggrivate people against BTS, so then she researched more examples to include and make it spookier, while the focus conveniently stays on BTS. this is just poorly done.
I'm not black or american, I'm white and portuguese and when it comes to these conversativon about bts I never know how to feel about certain things cause yeah a lot of things in this video is ignorant and wrong. Them saying the n word in plain wrong not justafiable, even tough they are not american they should've known better. The hair to me dosen't affect me so I never really tough much about it, just that it dosen't look good on him, cause from my perspective using hairstyles from other cultures is bad when you are trying to mock that said culture, but when you like for what it is I dont see the problem, but that might just be my ignorance for thinking like that. In terms of the jokes and comments about colorism, I feel like this video was made with an american lense and not really a korean one, colorism problem is different there than america and it has to do with things that happen centuries ago when kings ruled and slaves existed, being pale meant you were rich and "clean", and while colorism is still wrong, to this day this is a problem present especially in the kpop world where the "beauty standard" is being pale. The thing with three syllables that you didn't get is that in korean a lot of celebrities have done so much worse shit that bts has ever done but since bts is the most global and popular fans tend to do "but Kim Namjoon" to try and defend/defelect blame and accountability from they favorite celebrities/artists. Thats what he said on the song "persona". While I feel this video was trying to do good things, a lot of things that she tried to portray as bad was poorly made in my opinion. I dont know a single person in the world that was just born perfect and didn't say some fucked up shit. It's easy to look at celebrities and idolize them but then they say or do something they shouldn't have, people act like the world is burning. I think its just easier to think as everyone as humans and people make mistakes, my problem is when they do those mistakes do they grow from it? I love bts and can acknowledge that they have made mistakes in their life but I weigh that with the good aswell. I sincerely don't know a single celebritie in the world that tried to do so much positive impact in the world as they have. Sorry for writing a lot, loved the video and your insight! Keep up the good work in and out of youtube.
The person who made that video seems hellbent on making it seem that Namjoon was the first and only person in SK to have done this in that time clearly underscores her agenda.
I've traveled to about 20 countries & love all cultures. What I've seen is that emulating another culture is viewed as honoring that culture, not dissing it. The honored culture feels pride that someone likes them enough to want to copy them rather than mock them.
To honor a culture, you should first know what the people of that culture find honorable. The thing many fail to understand about the Black American, is that many of the attributes they emulate from us, are the things that were intentionally chosen by our oppressors to mock us. That history came before the global embrace of hiphop. So no, you can't just braid your hair and darken you skin, then tell us it's honoring. Because did you even try to look into what Black people might find flattering first? But in the end, at least BTS has gradually learned to understand that angle over the years - unlike many ARMY.
To some degree, being light-skinned isn't about anti-black. It's about being less Asian bc Asian is considered 2nd class. We aspired to be more like the "first class" British.
Lol 42:00+ What you were saying about having braids done for a few Hrs or so, and lmfho, "🌽rolls under Laced Fronts" 😂😂, "...you not just gonna Take them out rhe next day" Right👍 that is definitely true.😅
Great points made Jurn. Hope you had a great birthday🎉 Listen. At the end of the day....this is when they were in their younger days. Does Korea have an issue with race....um yes. Pale white skin is the goal for Japanese and Koreans and so for them anything darker than white is black ....for them. Heck you have to be very careful with Korean and Japanese skincare as some have whitening ingredients in it. I think im kinda lost on the video because she is stating that the kpop groups have a cultural appropriation /colorism issue currently but mostly focused on BTS and some other outside clips to back up her point on certain terms. I thought she would have shown other groups that were doing the same thing....currently. idk. I get what she wanted to say but and big but...her video came across as look at what BTS and dem were saying back in d day. Were they uneducated on the culture.......yes. Did they learn from their past mistakes? Based on my research they have...and i will continue to support them unless shown otherwise so if u dont like them based on these clips....fine. Nobody is forcing u too.
just fyi, the creator (adeola) has also made videos like this about other groups. i think she made this video some years ago, when bts just started to blow up. but she covered other groups as well (one or two videos where she covers multiple groups and incidents), and semi-recently made one specifically on bp/ she might post a second one about them in the future.
@ajlee2168 oh ok thanks for saying that as I thought it was going to be a general overview on the issue based on the title as the video itself felt BTS specific.
Just read my comment back, and I just want to specify that my ending comment is not directed to Jurn. Just in general to persons reading it and may feel negative on the whole matter and feel that they need to attack . I've seen within recent that ppl on social media platforms feel the need to attack other ppl for their opinions on a particular matter. We all have a brain and our own opinions, which can be shared, but at the same time, ppl shouldn't feel like they need to punish people for their choices. U can't please everyone and just accept and move on. Just my 2 cents....🙂
BigHit and Hybe's trainee mentors literally build their mentoring on the path of bts and the conclusions bts came to after interacting with cultures. There are classes about Cultural Diversity, Social Topics and Gender Sensitivity for hybe trainees
I haven’t watched the entire video yet, but I am familiar with Adeola. I don’t like the way she targets BTS. This is not her first video. I don’t know what she wants to accomplish. The ngr song. Did they understand culturally what they were doing? If you notice, most of these faux pas was when they were young. BTS educated themselves. When they learned, they did better. Namjoon was so concerned about offending Black people that he tried to eliminate using their own Korean word Naega. Colorism is around the globe. Also, you guessed it, NO ONE THINKS DARK IS BEAUTIFUL. WEST AFRICANS BLEACH THEIR SKIN. Taehyung is darker, he alluded to how he was treated sometimes in school. A significant number of Asians have never met Black people. Their perceptions/stereotypes come from the West. They are a homogeneous people. This is cultural. This is the whole country. Why is BTS the only subject of her story? Is she blaming BTS for all the ills? If she is calling out K-pop? Where is Black Pink? Koreans love watermelons and fried chicken more than we do. So there. Braids during slavery were a way to communicate hidden messages, so I understand the reason some may see it as offensive. However, Black women have made other races RICH buying someone else’s hair and wearing it like they grew it. Jhope was showing appreciation for Rasta. Jhope dropped a banner of ODB to pay homage at Lollapalooza. Teepees are also called forts and are in living rooms for camping out. One thing RM did was when he was called out, he visited the library. He educated his ignorance. No one else in K-pop has done that. I don’t like the nit picking against BTS when you have 4th gen group singing the N word loud and proud at a concert. With zero apologies. Perhaps that group needs a lesson. People won’t leave Joon alone. He did more than an empty apology. He learned about cultural appropriation. He probably understands it better than Adeola. Why does she have BTS living in her head? I love hanboks. I want to wear one. If I did, it would not be to mock Koreans or steal the concept of the Hanbok. However, Koreans would like the fact I like their culture and view me as me celebrating and loving their culture. Appropriation is taking something someone else created and calling it your own. Appreciation is fondness or liking something. In the 70’s there was a Black American female duo called A Taste of Honey--song Suki Yuki. They wore kimonos. Played music that sounded like Japanese music. She needs to go sit down. Did she explain in the video the reason braids are considered offensive for non Blacks to wear? Of course not. She had a moment to educate and she didn’t use it. Also, some men seem to have different position on this subject. A famous rapper gave Taehyung a du rag. Tae put it on to show armies the gift. He was happy. Immediately blasted for CA. Why bash Tae? Go to the artist who gave him a du rag. Obviously, he did not think his gift was CA. Why? White skin rep wealth. Chinese actors use awful white powder. Sk actors wear a better version.
If I remember correctly foreign’s video kinda lacked on the other side. As is a lot of us music cultural knowledge, not enough kpop and Korea knowledge. I think it’ll be interesting to see your take on both bc you have a good base on both sides
honestly if she actually cared about the issue, her video should have had a black culture section and a korean and asian culture section to set the contexts, a history section to set the timelines, then an overview of bts' problematic moments (instead of a compilation she did) AND an explanation of BTS' path of learning and correcting their mistakes. that's how good essay is done! that could actually encourage people to check themselves! often people are just scared to admit they are in the wrong, BTS could have been a positive example. instead she kept doubling down on some "sketchy" things bts have done in 2017-8 to prove they are still bad people. that's the only conclusion i can draw thinking about what she wanted to tell with the video, because she actually shares nothing fucking else about it if she really wanted to cover the issue, this is a very very very poorly done job if she only actually cared about painting bts in a certain light, that is even worse. using a sensitive topic to just drive your own hatered into masses ugh!
Since J-Hope can't wear dreadlocks and braids, I declared that all non-Asians are banned from using chopsticks and eating dumplings. Oh and we're taking ice cream back too.
Jurnalist had nothing but supportive and informative statements and input in his video, if you did watch it, you will see him fairly address any and all concerns in the video as related to actual racism.
I think It's important for people to recognise the gaps in cultural and historical education within homogeneous societies. For instance, as a Black person from Africa, I grew up with limited awareness of East Asian cultures and histories. My initial perceptions of Koreans were based on Kim Jong Un and North Korea. I associated Chinese people with stereotypes, like eating dogs, and lacked any knowledge about the historical significance of the Japanese rising sun flag. What I said in the past does not reflect who I am today. Also, I believe that colorism is less about race and more related to class and beauty standards. This is something I've experienced firsthand within my own family, where lighter skin is often related to beauty, while darker skin is unfairly viewed as less attractive.
We cant make excuses for others behavior. As much as we can guess if any of this was intentional or not, or how much of the style was their callor not, the past is what it is. People have made mistakes, what matters is how any of us grow from them. I hate when someone takes offense to another person being offended. None of us have right to tell someone they can not be ofended to something. The actions we should take is try to understand why someone is offended instead of being hardcore one sided about everything.
I think bts know and didn't wanted to hate on black people. It was 10 years ago they apologized and never do it again. I hope you don't stop with bts bc of that.
Regarding that Chicken Noodle Soup graphic- she didn’t mention that J-Hope paid the authors of the song 1.2 million for the rights to use the song did she? Nope!
He also let the original authors keep all the royalties!!!!
her: I dont believe in blaming people for old mistakes. I made this video because racism keeps happening in KPOP
also her: lemme talk for 30 minutes about 2013 bangtan and noone else
she thinks she's slick
Thank you Jurn for reacting to this and giving your thoughts. I'm tired of this bs that people keep giving BTS. I get they made mistakes in the past but please they are now better people and have learned. leave them alone, no one is forcing you to like them. The fact that till this day Namjoon is still getting dragged for being “racist” and “misogynistic” blows my mind😭
regarding the 'but namjoon' point, whenever an idol got called out for saying or doing ignorant/ racist things (not 10 years ago but RECENTLY) their fans would defend them and say 'but namjoon did this too' basically, namjoon did xyz so therefore you're not allowed to criticize my fav for doing the same (even tho again, namjoon did it 10 years ago, some of these idols do it to this day.) this also gets brought up when army just praise him, bitter fans will remind you that 'but hes a terrible person tho :)'
its hard to find a single kpop group that hasnt done these things/ never did anything ignorant or insensitive. just ~2 years ago, a girl from a popular group sang along to a song and said the n-word on camera (not a performance, just behind the scenes vibing) and of course most people called her out, but not without having some fans bringing up the 'but namjoon did this too so shut up'.
imo it just shows that they dont actually care, they just see everything as a fanwar, instead of caring about the actual issue.
theres a legit subculture that just hates namjoon and keeps digging up his past to insult him/paint him as a horrible person as if he hasnt shown clear growth, and to defend or deflect from their own fav that is just as, or even more 'problematic' to this day.
army also never denies that these things happened. but a lot of kpop stans will just ignore it when it comes to their favs, or straight up deny it. for example, when blinks hated on bts and brought up that 'namjoon said the n-word', army posted a clip of their fav, jennie from bp, who also said the n-word in a song. but since the n-word is censored with a peep in the video, blinks will forever deny that she actually said it, when its obvious. case in point, they dont care whether or not namjoon or jennie actually said that word, they just want to have that gotcha moment to hate on namjoon. its once again all fandoms against bts/army, the 'but namjoon' card is played by all of them and therefore became like an instant eye-roll expression for army, and evidently namjoon himself is aware of the usage of that phrase as well. sorry that this got so long lmao.
What song Jennie said it tho😂 or Namjoon, it's crazy why would Namjoon say the n word I thought he was criticised for saying something about girls
There were very few instances that were offensive in this video. The creator didn’t really seem to explain the harm caused (I’m not saying there wasn’t, I’m just saying it wasn’t a video that was informative enough). Especially the teepee in the background - are we not allowed to use teepees anymore? That’s news to me, a lot of these instances are a sign of ignorance rather than intentional racism. This was a huge waste of my time. I’m not even trying to defend BTS, I was just expecting a compelling argument of intentional racism and harmful content.
ugh, some people act like other genres weren't in bts' first albums and only came with HYYH era in 2015. meanwhile Like is literally on their debut album. and there's also Junt One Day, Coffee, Tomorrow, Miss Right, Look Here, etc, all before HYYH
sure they have changed their image with HYYH, but in MUSIC they were already more diverse than just hiphop
that's besides the point though, im just not happy with the wording of this lady.
Pls u gotta react to the 40mins long kpop racism and culture appropriation by the same girl, bc she tried to say what BTS are terrible bc of their past mistakes, when BTS faced way worse racism and death threats from white and black ppl bc they were korean, americans comparing them to Kim Jong Un, saying they eat dirt, dogs and cat,look like monkey, literally every asian stereotypes to can think of BTS faces and more. BTS past mistakes is literally nothing compared to the racism and hate they have received daily from the same ppl that act like they gaf about racism.....
Don't play oppression Olympics. It's a bad look and doesn't serve BTS in the slightest.
Nah I'm tired of this girl bye 🤣
I feel like I have a sort of different view when it comes to cultural appropriation. For me personally as a black person I actually don’t gaf if ur white or asian or wtv and you wear dreads or corn rows or any of that. I’d say cultural appropriation is when you use those things to elevate yourself as a non-black person and then completely drop it once your up. Like putting on a “black costume” and taking it off when ur at the place you wanna be at. I feel like BTS absolutely culturally appropriated in their past whether it was intentional or not. They put on costumes of what they thought was cool and hip-hop. However I don’t think that they’re disingenuous in their love for black music. They credit their inspirations, they take accountability for their actions, they haven’t “dropped black music”, and they learn from their mistakes. I don’t think ppl that were racist or anything would do that lol 😭 as far as the colorism idk how far that stems for them or if it’s something they even consider when interacting with ppl that are naturally more melanated but at the end of the day colorism amongst Koreans is very prevalent and I do hope that they’ve self reflected and maybe have different views of themselves when they get tanned.
This!
I agree! And I wanted to add that the word “appropriation” bothers me because I was always raised to think that copying someone is the most sincere form of flattery. Just because a bunch of kids starting out in the music business tried to differentiate itself from all the other run of the mill kpop acts by making meaningful music, wearing clothing, and speaking a certain way which happens to be influenced by a different culture, doesn't make it cultural appropriation. To me, appropriation is when you try to take someone else's cultural identity as your own cultural identity AND not give credit to its source. At no point did BTS wear those clothes or try to speak in a certain way or make certain styles of music without giving credit and saying that they were huge fans of hip hop, rap and R&B and the members have many times listed their inspirations and idols. That said, BTS really genuinely loves the culture and it continues to influence their music and their fashion sense.
6 minutes in, do i even want to listen to this in the morning 😭
I just like to point out half of the things said were when they were teenagers/early 20's and so much dumb things are said at this age most of it being about colorism. They have matured as a group and has always credited their art and inspiration to Black creators. They have never pretended that it was never from our culture. Yoongi's sample of Jim Jones is a prime example of how people don't do their research when it comes to BTS lyrism & music. They just heard the sample and condemned it. The sample was used to condemn society, in particular Jim Jones and those type of leaders, if they actually read his lyrics they would see how the sample emphasized his message in the song.
Hi Jurnalist-
People are going to be submitting “stuff” to increase issues with BTS. The resurfacing of old issues from 2013, 2014, 2015 etc. was a different world. Also, in regards to colorism, EVERYONE of color has those issues because of COLONIALISM and the perpetuation of the myth of white superiority. It has affected how the former colonized view themselves and others in the world. This video being brought up at this time is from the Min Hee Jin playbook and the attempt to bring BTS down and create issues between BTS and ARMY, and within ARMY to make people abandon BTS.
I appreciate your analysis, so thanks for your levelheaded analysis of this issue. 💜
Thank you and I agree. It’s this type of agenda-driven “journalism” that is trying to create a narrative. Look at all the stories trying to spin Vs convo with Suga on Suchwita (talking about how exhausted they were in 2018) into a narrative that V and JK wanted (and still want) to leave the label and go solo. That wasn’t what they said nor what the discussion was about, AND the articles conveniently omitted V stating that all those negative feelings are long gone. @Jurnalist, please take these types of video essays with a grain of salt and view it with the knowledge you’ve already gathered from what the members themselves have said.
Basically the three words is namjoons name. In the picture he’s pointing at a sign with three characters that spell out his full name Kim Namjoon. The “but Namjoon” thing is referring to when a kpop idol is under fire for something. Like say a member from a group in SM said the N-word, to defend the idol, the fans of that kpop idol will say “but Namjoon did (insert thing here)” to water down the actions of the idol they’re defending
Yes like "but namjoon did it too" or "namjoon did worse"
I can tell you about racism (towards black people in particular) in Russia.
I’ve been taught that racism is a bad thing (as mocking or offending people of another race/culture). But most of people are still not aware of things like n-word (etc) and cultural appropriation (what I personally can’t get. Isn’t it a cultural appreciation if nobody mocks?).
I personally understood all these things only in my 18 by youtube and Netflix. Just because lots of things are not close to our culture.
Historically, we didn’t have many black people in Russia, even slaves/serfs were white too, so thing like n-word is not even a topic here.
FYI calling a person “black” is much ruder and offensive than other variations here. Just like many other people I was listening to rap and hearing n-word but never knew the real context of this word. Tbh I thought it was just another addressing to a black person because in Russia we address them as “negr”.
I just mean that some people need to understand the historical context and difference between the cultures. And others should try to be aware of global problems and always educate themselves+not to make same mistakes. We can’t just blindly cancel everybody, can we?
PS. I’m not trying to justify anybody here, I’m not the right person to do so. Just adding another point to conversation.
The video creator doesn't appear to have any understanding of Asian culture. They're not completely wrong but so one-sided.
Even ignorant about the music business bc for sure early BTS did not make those style choices. They were dressed by stylists.
Thanks Smokey for a balance and fair commentary.
@@soop5414 it will surprise you that the creator was actually an army before. She is very much aware of all of this but believes it is not an excuse for their past behavior. She just doesn't like bts anymore
@@mirabel_moonchildwhich is sad because if she really knew bts and the fandom, she’d know their hearts well….if she went with other K-pop grps then that’s even worse, performative and misinformed anger/hate, especially when no other has put themselves out in the line, donating $1.0M to blm and Army, the highly diverse fandom in religion, gender, age, nationality matching another milly in 24 hrs so…..yah. This fandom that set up charity project w/ Hotties fandom as a thank you to Megan d stallion and a clap back to her extortionist arrogant label that tried to block the release of her remix with bts, and so many more. I understand her though. Ignorance breeds hate for sure. It’s more a reflection of her than bts and Army. All cool. Those who do a deep dive know and Army keep all the receipts & records. Those who are not intellectually dishonest know better.
@ from what I've seen she just seems to hate the entire K-pop space as a whole. I watched her videos and just wondered why she does what she does. As a black K-pop stan myself there is just a community of very misguided black K-pop stans in her comments section as well. To each their own I guess
@mirabel_moonchild That's sad to hear. But I wouldn't brush it off as to each their own. Because they're not keeping it to themselves. These videos cause more people to become misguided.
So I'm glad for Smokey 's commentary. And grateful for your input too.
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So at timestamp 5:46 you wanted an explanation of what she was talking about. What she said, I don't undertand, because it had nothing to do with the picture. The actual picture with the banner is from Intro: Persona, RM's solo song to MAP OF THE SOUL. And the banner spells out his name Kim Nam-joon which is three syllables. 김남준
i cant speak korean fluently yet, but i can make research
깜둥이 kkamdoongie depends on the context a lot
1. said by korean to korean positively it means "tan". this was the case when Jimin called that Jungkook cutely
2. said by korean to korean negatively is colorism. It was used in kpop in derogatory way, im not going to point fingers, but it was a line in a song written by another young and inexperienced idol, but she's not mentioning it here for some reason, yet has a whole documentary about everything 2013 bangtan did wrong. her aim of the conversation is crooked at best
3. said by korean to black person it means the n word
I feel that people perceive the N word in a black American way, and point fingers expecting all countries to know and understand it's weight, but the rest of the world had a different history and development of this word. I'm west-asian, born in italy lived there most of my life, then moved to the UK. I got called equivalents of the N word in my west Asian country (won't say where as this comment has already too much about my identity) and frequently in italy, with old people using it even lovingly when I was a child (like, oh you're such a cute little N), and people hurling it at me as an insult. While it is a racist, it is not perceived in such a way that it gets censored everywhere, even in writing, because the development of the word hasn't landed there (yet).
So can you imagine what happened when I moved to the UK?? Someone said something about the "N word" and I'm like "what's the N word?". They try to explain and I go "ooooh you mean N (insert full word)". They were SHOCKED. I said "wym, I'm not calling you the N word, I'm saying ppl used to call me N (insert full word) often" they warned me that if I say that again I'll have to leave. I was baffled, and I still am tbf, that I cannot say what ppl called ME to insult ME, I'm quoting something that was said to ME but apparently because I'm "brown" and not "black" I can't say that, even though I'm black enough for the racists. But it's a cultural difference so of course I adjusted... but I didn't know before because I grew up in countries that don't censor this word yet.
There is an expectation for everyone to know American history, despite America knowing and respecting fk all of other cultures, and that grinds my gears.
Anyways, for me BTS is an example of this... they didn't know and it took them some time to shift and adjust to integrate what they know now, but they make the effort.
Damn, sorry fr the long comment 🤣
Yoongi in that pic was mixing the song "Honsool" not the song with the problematic sample that by the way they removed and apologized for after the criticizm, it's literaly not on the album... And most of those JHope pics are actually not braids if you look clearly, especially the Chicken Noodle Soup' one but just curls made with gel. .. Clearly the creator of this video wanted to set BTS up and incite hatred towards them, you can literaly hear it in her narrative tone.
Guess which company has their trainees take classes in "Cultural Diversity & Social Topics"? People have chosen to forget the answer
I agree with you on almost every thing I'm never going to chastise them for being colorist to their own people. When I am a black woman, we have done the same in our own culture, i called a dude, light skinned and told me him he was being sensitive recently I'm gonna have to learn to do better and try not to act like that. The hair it could go either way, are you wearing the hair, because you like it and you understand at least the cultural references to it, which I believe that they do, for the most part, or are you doing it, because it's a costume and you think it looks cool I'm not gonna walk around with chopsticks in my hair, because I don't understand the cultural reference to that and thats offensive But if I'm in South Korea in a Hanbok and go to a Temple I don't think I'm culturally appropriating. I do understand the cultural references to that. And I also it kind of goes both ways, which is the sad part about Asian and black/African American relations. Like Kendrick Lamar's nickname was Kung foo Kenny. We appreciate or at least like each others cultures, but I think there is a gap in the understanding of the cultures. And i blame white people lol (but i dead ass do)
In my family it’s crazy we are all black precisely from Nigeria although we live in the Uk now, but my mom always says something about me and my brother’s skin either getting lighter or darker I don’t care much about my complexion but my bother comes to me and ask now if his skin is getting lighter😢 ( fortunately at least she won’t dare recommend bleaching skin).
My uncle and his cousin even compared my bother to darker skinned African’s like Sudanese and ask him if he bathed properly.
This issue is what I believe is what falls under “what-about-ism”. As if one person doing something wrong means it’s ok for others to repeat it when it’s become unacceptable later on. Two wrongs don’t make a right. In fact IMO it’s more of an issue when you do it in a time when it is known to be taboo. The difference between BTS committing such an offense vs other is that BTS mostly apologizes and makes effort to learn and not repeat the offense whereas other artists use what-about-ism to justify their behavior or they flat out deny they did it even when it’s recorded. At some point I hope SK realizes that accountability matters because all these KNetizens engaging in bullying should be held accountable
the amount of things that refer to asian colorism that she's trying so hard to portray as black hate says that she's either tremendously miseducated about asia which is surprising considering she's covering kpop or she just wants to have more points on bts' mistakes list. act surprised
I dont have an issue with the topic she stives to address, but rather I'm questioning her motives
If we want to actually address the problems, why dont we talk about all kpop groups? Why is BTS the center of attention, while all other groups are a post note, a text on the screen or, most often than not, are not mentioned at all. I'm telling you now, it's not hard to make a similar compilation about non bts kpop acts. She focuses on BTS for what purpose exactly? Are we addressing racism in kpop or are we listing things to dislike BTS for? Because there's not a single PIECE of analysis in her video, it's just a compilation that gives no outputs or conclusions.
It's not properly structured either. She's very vocal about bts being problematic, while covering asian colorism as if it's black hate, but then she includes examples of other korean people doing actual black face, but its only shown as a text on the screen, not a word said out lous - what is this editing? Looks to me like she recorded her parts about BTS, looked at a final result and thought it wasn't cutting deep enough to aggrivate people against BTS, so then she researched more examples to include and make it spookier, while the focus conveniently stays on BTS. this is just poorly done.
I'm not black or american, I'm white and portuguese and when it comes to these conversativon about bts I never know how to feel about certain things cause yeah a lot of things in this video is ignorant and wrong. Them saying the n word in plain wrong not justafiable, even tough they are not american they should've known better. The hair to me dosen't affect me so I never really tough much about it, just that it dosen't look good on him, cause from my perspective using hairstyles from other cultures is bad when you are trying to mock that said culture, but when you like for what it is I dont see the problem, but that might just be my ignorance for thinking like that. In terms of the jokes and comments about colorism, I feel like this video was made with an american lense and not really a korean one, colorism problem is different there than america and it has to do with things that happen centuries ago when kings ruled and slaves existed, being pale meant you were rich and "clean", and while colorism is still wrong, to this day this is a problem present especially in the kpop world where the "beauty standard" is being pale.
The thing with three syllables that you didn't get is that in korean a lot of celebrities have done so much worse shit that bts has ever done but since bts is the most global and popular fans tend to do "but Kim Namjoon" to try and defend/defelect blame and accountability from they favorite celebrities/artists. Thats what he said on the song "persona".
While I feel this video was trying to do good things, a lot of things that she tried to portray as bad was poorly made in my opinion.
I dont know a single person in the world that was just born perfect and didn't say some fucked up shit. It's easy to look at celebrities and idolize them but then they say or do something they shouldn't have, people act like the world is burning. I think its just easier to think as everyone as humans and people make mistakes, my problem is when they do those mistakes do they grow from it? I love bts and can acknowledge that they have made mistakes in their life but I weigh that with the good aswell. I sincerely don't know a single celebritie in the world that tried to do so much positive impact in the world as they have.
Sorry for writing a lot, loved the video and your insight!
Keep up the good work in and out of youtube.
The person who made that video seems hellbent on making it seem that Namjoon was the first and only person in SK to have done this in that time clearly underscores her agenda.
I've traveled to about 20 countries & love all cultures. What I've seen is that emulating another culture is viewed as honoring that culture, not dissing it. The honored culture feels pride that someone likes them enough to want to copy them rather than mock them.
To honor a culture, you should first know what the people of that culture find honorable. The thing many fail to understand about the Black American, is that many of the attributes they emulate from us, are the things that were intentionally chosen by our oppressors to mock us. That history came before the global embrace of hiphop. So no, you can't just braid your hair and darken you skin, then tell us it's honoring. Because did you even try to look into what Black people might find flattering first? But in the end, at least BTS has gradually learned to understand that angle over the years - unlike many ARMY.
To some degree, being light-skinned isn't about anti-black. It's about being less Asian bc Asian is considered 2nd class.
We aspired to be more like the "first class" British.
I am sorry but this video seems to be made by a hater. Just seems to be obviously reaching to prove something that fell far short.
Lol 42:00+ What you were saying about having braids done for a few Hrs or so, and lmfho, "🌽rolls under Laced Fronts" 😂😂, "...you not just gonna Take them out rhe next day" Right👍 that is definitely true.😅
Great points made Jurn. Hope you had a great birthday🎉
Listen. At the end of the day....this is when they were in their younger days. Does Korea have an issue with race....um yes. Pale white skin is the goal for Japanese and Koreans and so for them anything darker than white is black ....for them. Heck you have to be very careful with Korean and Japanese skincare as some have whitening ingredients in it.
I think im kinda lost on the video because she is stating that the kpop groups have a cultural appropriation /colorism issue currently but mostly focused on BTS and some other outside clips to back up her point on certain terms. I thought she would have shown other groups that were doing the same thing....currently. idk. I get what she wanted to say but and big but...her video came across as look at what BTS and dem were saying back in d day.
Were they uneducated on the culture.......yes. Did they learn from their past mistakes? Based on my research they have...and i will continue to support them unless shown otherwise so if u dont like them based on these clips....fine. Nobody is forcing u too.
just fyi, the creator (adeola) has also made videos like this about other groups. i think she made this video some years ago, when bts just started to blow up. but she covered other groups as well (one or two videos where she covers multiple groups and incidents), and semi-recently made one specifically on bp/ she might post a second one about them in the future.
@ajlee2168 oh ok thanks for saying that as I thought it was going to be a general overview on the issue based on the title as the video itself felt BTS specific.
Just read my comment back, and I just want to specify that my ending comment is not directed to Jurn. Just in general to persons reading it and may feel negative on the whole matter and feel that they need to attack . I've seen within recent that ppl on social media platforms feel the need to attack other ppl for their opinions on a particular matter. We all have a brain and our own opinions, which can be shared, but at the same time, ppl shouldn't feel like they need to punish people for their choices. U can't please everyone and just accept and move on.
Just my 2 cents....🙂
BigHit and Hybe's trainee mentors literally build their mentoring on the path of bts and the conclusions bts came to after interacting with cultures. There are classes about Cultural Diversity, Social Topics and Gender Sensitivity for hybe trainees
I haven’t watched the entire video yet, but I am familiar with Adeola. I don’t like the way she targets BTS. This is not her first video. I don’t know what she wants to accomplish. The ngr song. Did they understand culturally what they were doing? If you notice, most of these faux pas was when they were young. BTS educated themselves. When they learned, they did better. Namjoon was so concerned about offending Black people that he tried to eliminate using their own Korean word Naega.
Colorism is around the globe. Also, you guessed it, NO ONE THINKS DARK IS BEAUTIFUL. WEST AFRICANS BLEACH THEIR SKIN.
Taehyung is darker, he alluded to how he was treated sometimes in school. A significant number of Asians have never met Black people. Their perceptions/stereotypes come from the West. They are a homogeneous people. This is cultural. This is the whole country. Why is BTS the only subject of her story? Is she blaming BTS for all the ills? If she is calling out K-pop? Where is Black Pink?
Koreans love watermelons and fried chicken more than we do. So there.
Braids during slavery were a way to communicate hidden messages, so I understand the reason some may see it as offensive. However, Black women have made other races RICH buying someone else’s hair and wearing it like they grew it.
Jhope was showing appreciation for Rasta. Jhope dropped a banner of ODB to pay homage at Lollapalooza. Teepees are also called forts and are in living rooms for camping out.
One thing RM did was when he was called out, he visited the library. He educated his ignorance.
No one else in K-pop has done that. I don’t like the nit picking against BTS when you have 4th gen group singing the N word loud and proud at a concert. With zero apologies. Perhaps that group needs a lesson.
People won’t leave Joon alone. He did more than an empty apology. He learned about cultural appropriation. He probably understands it better than Adeola. Why does she have BTS living in her head?
I love hanboks. I want to wear one. If I did, it would not be to mock Koreans or steal the concept of the Hanbok. However, Koreans would like the fact I like their culture and view me
as me celebrating and loving their culture.
Appropriation is taking something someone else created and calling it your own. Appreciation is fondness or liking something.
In the 70’s there was a Black American female duo called A Taste of Honey--song Suki Yuki. They wore kimonos. Played music that sounded like Japanese music. She needs to go sit down. Did she explain in the video the reason braids are considered offensive for non Blacks to wear? Of course not. She had a moment to educate and she didn’t use it.
Also, some men seem to have different position on this subject. A famous rapper gave Taehyung a du rag. Tae put it on to show armies the gift. He was happy. Immediately blasted for CA. Why bash Tae? Go to the artist who gave him a du rag. Obviously, he did not think his gift was CA. Why?
White skin rep wealth. Chinese actors use awful white powder.
Sk actors wear a better version.
If I remember correctly foreign’s video kinda lacked on the other side. As is a lot of us music cultural knowledge, not enough kpop and Korea knowledge. I think it’ll be interesting to see your take on both bc you have a good base on both sides
honestly if she actually cared about the issue, her video should have had a black culture section and a korean and asian culture section to set the contexts, a history section to set the timelines, then an overview of bts' problematic moments (instead of a compilation she did) AND an explanation of BTS' path of learning and correcting their mistakes. that's how good essay is done!
that could actually encourage people to check themselves! often people are just scared to admit they are in the wrong, BTS could have been a positive example. instead she kept doubling down on some "sketchy" things bts have done in 2017-8 to prove they are still bad people. that's the only conclusion i can draw thinking about what she wanted to tell with the video, because she actually shares nothing fucking else about it
if she really wanted to cover the issue, this is a very very very poorly done job
if she only actually cared about painting bts in a certain light, that is even worse. using a sensitive topic to just drive your own hatered into masses
ugh!
Since J-Hope can't wear dreadlocks and braids, I declared that all non-Asians are banned from using chopsticks and eating dumplings. Oh and we're taking ice cream back too.
Jurnalist had nothing but supportive and informative statements and input in his video, if you did watch it, you will see him fairly address any and all concerns in the video as related to actual racism.
Take it. Take the ice cream and take the chop sticks. There you go.
"But Namjoon" is used a lot by kpoppies
I think It's important for people to recognise the gaps in cultural and historical education within homogeneous societies. For instance, as a Black person from Africa, I grew up with limited awareness of East Asian cultures and histories. My initial perceptions of Koreans were based on Kim Jong Un and North Korea. I associated Chinese people with stereotypes, like eating dogs, and lacked any knowledge about the historical significance of the Japanese rising sun flag. What I said in the past does not reflect who I am today. Also, I believe that colorism is less about race and more related to class and beauty standards. This is something I've experienced firsthand within my own family, where lighter skin is often related to beauty, while darker skin is unfairly viewed as less attractive.
We cant make excuses for others behavior. As much as we can guess if any of this was intentional or not, or how much of the style was their callor not, the past is what it is. People have made mistakes, what matters is how any of us grow from them.
I hate when someone takes offense to another person being offended. None of us have right to tell someone they can not be ofended to something. The actions we should take is try to understand why someone is offended instead of being hardcore one sided about everything.
13:18 Even without context that sounds like RM's impression of someone they all recognize
The pic supposedly being Namjoon young with Afro hair style is not him... Antis use it to harrass RM but it's not him.
Please time stamp, I don't know which photo it is.
@@jessicapierce3027 11:27
I think bts know and didn't wanted to hate on black people. It was 10 years ago they apologized and never do it again. I hope you don't stop with bts bc of that.
But Namjoon………
He’s apologized and made himself a better human since then. I don’t see other kpop artists apologizing and they keep doing it.
I'm surprised they didn't cover the photoshoot shots with that uniform
Y porque crea que no se pudieran equivocar obvio pero esto es pñsilo para buscar sonido
Creo que es el único video tuyo que no veré 😂 son estupideces la mayoría sacados de contexto