Why would bombers that have maybe hundred or more bombs in them, stay in tight formation?! It's basically a suicide to do that, and worse than worst mistake. One blowing up will destroy all others too.
1:37 when you realize that your ship is a slow, poorly protected, bomb-ladden death trap. TBH just pack the bombers with ordnance, extra armor, and expendable droid crews. Then send them on a collision course with the Dreadnought.
@@NK-qn6pqthat's what I was just at getting at in another post. This is a bomber! Give it some serious fire power. Guns everywhere! Top rated shielding. Heck these seem to be loosely designed after the old B-wing a, they should at least be that mobile.
@josesantiago5858 not that fast. But they are very effective fighters/bombers. But I'm not going to lie as effective as the Y-wings are, even they would have trouble against the dreadnought, Snoke's star destroyer, and the other star destroyers because their armor is so thick. Almost like beskar.
@@aaronburtram3175 Make them the B-17? This are a stupid ripoff of those. They lack the armor (B-17 could survive a little), have one gun that never fire and are even slower. This are for carpet bombing cities (Leia want to tell us something?), not taking out ships. Even that fails when the specs are that awful.
The bombers were designed for bombing imperial bases and strongholds durning the early years of the new republic, they re-purposed the ships to use as bombers as they didn't have access to y wings as they were incredibly hard to find by that point in time and the resistance hadn't been around long enough yet to ensemble much of a fleet yet, case in point they only had 3 ships and a couple squadrons of fighters. Given time they may have gotten something better, but in the time they had some old bunker busters were the best they could do. And too be fair the bombers almost got the job done with 1 casualty, but that tie wing really threw a wrench in their plans taking out 3 in a chain reaction explosion.
actually the bombers are tough. it is just unlucky because one dead fighter had crashed into one of the bombers which had already loaded the bombs and then exploded, causing a domino like effect that killed all of the formation.
So a wrecked tie fighter can take out three bombers with an afterlife collateral triple kill but an entire fleet can’t take out a single fucking bomber ?!
@@zoeservo5474 if you think about it if they didn't destroy that ship it would have destroyed them because even if they jumped into hyper space they could track them. Sorry for my bad English and spelling.
>Me before rewatching this scene "Oh come on, heavy bombers makes sense to deal heavier ordinance than a y wing" >Me rewatching this scene "Who the hell designed these things? How is it a tie fighter can accidentally not only take out one but THREE at once?!"
It can because that happened after that had armed their bombs, meaning each ship was basically a time bomb that could blow away many of its surroundings when destroyed mid-air. You can see the actual bombs flying away into space without exploding with the first bomber losses, _before_ they were activated.
@@bboi1489 : If you watch the scene, the TIE fighter pretty much kamikazed the 3 bombers (so it didn’t stay intact _and_ it also wasn’t intentional) and that _only_ happened because their bombs had been armed. You can see some get destroyed before and the bombs just sort of fly out without exploding.
I just think everyone’s spitting at these bombers but that’s not how you criticize a movie. Seriously, that’s basic design. If they wanted to, they could’ve made super speedy and effective bombers and what not, but that’s not what they wanted to do with this movie. They intended it to be a lot slower and also underline how weak the Resistance is compared to the First Order.
The way she says it. Like you just lost a bunch of your squadron and were mere seconds away from being completely wiped out. She should sound more relieved than excited and giddy about it.
@TheGarbageGang let's focus on Star Wars. Any Star Wars heavy bomber is better than this. As much as I hate saying this, the TIE Bomber would have done better.
Prequels haters told me the same thing about the prequels so thank you for the prequels bashing flashbacks #weliveinarepeatedhistory Ps: I have a idea of where you are politically lol
Same way people in the hangar bays of star destroyer and the death star do. There is a force field containing the atmosphere in the area. Ships pass through it on hangar decks by transmitting some sort of signal that breaches the field. Same thing with the bombs. The artificial gravity in the ship causes them to fall, and they carry that momentum as they pass through the force field opening into space.
@The Xenomorphian great point, these bombers are painfully and unrealistically slow. Way better to have more bombers with less payload to improve speed if that was the issue. But in space......that shouldn't matter.
Everybody is complaining about the ridiculous bombers in this scene but....what about Paige catching the remote after literally watching it fly past the platform she was laying on? How quick is she?
When obi wan fights grievous he falls off the ledge and when he grabs it just in time it seems like he would have already fallen so not every scene is perfect for timing and it doesnt really matter
@@meowdonkey5811 That was clearly a mistake. I can't see how nowadays smth like that with *Disney* can be made. And, by the looks of it, she *turned over* after getting knocked out and caught it. Like, wtf?
Rebel starfighter: destroys half of a tie fighter The damaged starfighter: makes a kamikaze attack that destroys not 1, not 2, but 3 of the Resistance heavy bomber Rebel starfighter pilot: *surprised Pikachu face*
TheGarbageGang Oh, I meant that the dreadnaught hadn’t fired its cannons. It’s just a nitpick that they said 40 seconds until the cannons are ready, but a full minute later they still aren’t ready..
@@machogan1340 george lucas addressed that he believed the original star wars would be kids movies. It is good to have high expectations, but sometimes its good to not get overconfident with them.
Scene up to this day still doesn't make sense. Why would they send an obviously anti-installation vessel on a ship killing mission when the Y-Wings and B-Wings are more suited. It's like having a B-29 take on carriers in the Battle of Midway.
True. I’d also like to point out that similar heavy bombers, the B-17 Flying Fortresses, actually were used against enemy carriers during the battle, but with little effect as their bombs rarely made it to target. (The flying fortresses launched from the islands base btw). Dive and torpedo bombers were better suited for the job
Its almost as if those bombers are more suited for high level planetary bombing, say when theres a structure that needs to be destroyed in a do or die situation and all youre using are Xwing torpedoes, like 20 minutes before this in the last movie.
@@senatorluxbonteri6065 I can’t be fucked remembering why they couldn’t jump to hyper space but they could have I’m pretty sure. And stationary ship yards at the pace they move man you have some extra chromosomes if you think they’d make it past a tin of spaghetti hoops let alone a fortified base stationary or not.
The whole scene is retarded. The fact they were evacuating, have a bomber group ready means they knew the First Order will come for them. So where are the preparations for that eventuality? Hell, in Empire Strike Back, the Rebels have a huge ass ion cannon to take out Star Destroyers and an area shield to protect the ion cannon that forced Darth Vader to order a ground assault to take it out
Had Poe decided to listen to Leia and have all jump ship without destroying the dreadnought, the first order ships would have tracked them through light speed and then the dreadnought would have shot the rebel cruiser and it's support cruisers, killing all aboard.
I can't look at this scene without laughing anymore. Because, I heard a rumor. The novelization of this movie basically said that the bombers were Holdo's ships, and pretty much the entire attack run was her idea. That explains SO much about this scene.
@@ratchaneetechamahalap5897 first this doenst make any sense The destroyer should have its shields on Second, if the bomb do this just make a missile from it instead of this giant slow and weak target, seriously a simple TIE crash just destroyed 3 of them
@@ratchaneetechamahalap5897 Practically only one bomber made it, and that's with only ( put thing ship in battle of endor, beginning of revenge of the sith battle over coruscant these thing wouldn't even have left the hangar)
So in the past trilogy and video games the bombers where the Y-wings and they weren’t slow at all so is star wars going backwards in technology? Or wtf did Johnson did some research at all ?
I can only rationalize this has the Resistance, with no aid from the New Republic, could only field these terrible bombers. Rag tag like the rebellion decades before them.
Rian Johnson did do his research. He learned how George Lucas was inspired by WWII combat and designed his ships and fighters based on historical battles... which is why the Ships use broadside weapons for most of their fighting, and the fighters are armed with lasers and torpedoes... some are even armed with missiles. It's just unfortunate that Rian Johnson didn't adapt that knowledge to the in-universe lore (had to look down the bomb bay to see if they were over the target when targeting computers were used in Episode IV, only capable of doing carpet bombing runs, and all bombs are armed and used or none of them are armed and used... all or nothing attacks)... and Supreme Leader Kathleen Kennedy didn't see the problem with the Star Wars equivalent of using B-17 bombers escorted by F-18s to take out the USS Gerald R. Ford. Sure, with the proper munitions, the B-17s could do the job... but surviving long enough to drop their load is a bit harder to do, right? There are many problems in that scene. The Resistance has a battlecruiser, two frigates, a corvette, 8 bombers (wiki says there were 12), and a single mixed A-Wing/X-wing squadron. If the resistance is relying on donations... then how the fuck can they afford to maintain a battlecruiser when they can't even afford fighters! They used outdated fighters, which I estimate to be around 120k credits each... so for nearly 3m credits (includes 12 fighters and spare parts) they fielded a single squadron. The frigates and corvettes are both in the multi-million credit range... the Raddus is in the multi-billion credit range... and they were too poor to buy hyper fuel... they were too poor to get more fighter squadrons... Rian Johnson has no clue how to write military Space Operas... he is more ignorant of tactics and strategy than George Lucas was when he first made Star Wars back in the 1970s. Each ship was commanded by a Vice Admiral or Admiral Akbar (talk about rank inflation! No wonder everyone disliked Poe... he was beneath them). Holdo told everyone that there were only 400 people remaining on those three ships (one Cargo Frigate was destroyed at the start of the chase and it had a crew of 23 anyway)... yet the battlecruiser requires a minimum of 1,000 people to be combat capable... why the fuck is the Resistance fighting with ships it can't even use? Wouldn't it be better if they donated the Raddus for more Frigates, Destroyers, and Corvettes along with several dozen fighter squadrons... and then take on the First Order? That fleet mix would be excellent for hit and hype raids that the Rebel Alliance was famous for... and in the meantime, that would buy time for the non-existent Republic Navy to start taking on the First Order. Note: I said non-existent navy because once Not-Coruscant was destroyed the surviving "senators" told all the remaining Republic Navy officers to bring their ships to their worlds to protect them... undoubtedly exposing critical systems to the First Order... and they only care about defending their system and not defeating the First Order... effectively the stupid senators and the incompetent admirals completed the destruction of the Republic. Good Job Supreme Leader Kathleen Kennedy for going on a Death Stick Trip and taking a beloved Franchise with you!
The difference is with this and previous space battles it that you didn't have to buy disney's visual dictionary to have a scene make sense. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy must wear their stomachs as hats because that's how far their skulls are.
Exactly my thought, the fighters were flying too close to the bombers. The resistance starfighters should have been above the bombers or at least out in front of them.
Formation seems kind of odd. Fighters usually in front, behind or surrounding bombers to make a path or protect bombers. Also they would intercept enemy fighters prior to enemy reaching the bombers. When there was a hull breach why does the remote fall towards her instead of being sucked out into space. Why does a bomber need a remote control for the bay doors. Whatever technology they are using for the artificial gravity, they need to apply it to the rest of the systems because it never fails regardless the damage to the ship.
So many problems I have with this one scene alone. I know Star Wars isn't normally meant to be dissected for scientific backing, but this scene is so ridiculous it ruins it. 1) why would you fly in such a tight formation? 2) why wouldn't you just hyperspace to the coordinates over the ship? Doubtful they fit on the hangar of the ship so they must have come from another base. 3) why would you fly so low to the ship where the blast would obviously affect you? 4) why is Poe talking to a ball gunner and not a bombardier or pilot? 5) how is Poe talking to her when she took her helmet off where her coms would be? 6) why is there a remote separate from the ship? 7) if the remote was clearly past the bay doors, how did she catch it and roll over at the same time? 8) why does disney rely so heavily on "everything comes down to the one last thing that's left" scenario? 9) why wouldn't Leia not want to destroy a dreadnought? They're about to destroy your fleet, you killed thousands of theirs, and casualties happen in war. I know disney's going for drama but it's just bad storytelling at this point.
1 - you wouldn't, 2 - this whole movies plot should have used hyperspace and changed the plot, 3 - you wouldn't 4 - Drama 5 - space magic? 6 - exactly, it's just.. just a stupid plot device, why would you it can be dropped as they showed. 7 - wasn't her back done.. she should be paralysed 8 - Lord of the rings did it as well, apparently audiences are stupid and need really really fake suspense. 9 - exactly. 10 - Why wouldn't they use Y or B wings instead, notice our militaries don't use dead drop bombs, because they rely on being over the target rather than just pointing and firing. It's just sooo dumb.
I do appreciate that while Leia doesn't stop the crew from celebrating a much-needed morale boosting victory, we see that she looks at the screen listing downed ships and is very aware of the cost in human lives it took to achieve this win.
@@DerpaTure9503 there is no such rule, at most they take more energy to accelerate but there is no reason why they should be slower. In any case, the physics of star wars space sense is extremely wonky it's not new, they could have just as easily propulsed the bombs toward the star destroyer, no need for stupid bombers in thos situation.
So your telling me, if the resistance was willing to keep X-Wings, A-Wings, and a few Mon Calamari cruise ships, why tf did they not keep the Y-Wing *Bomber,?* It’s more maneuverable, it’s way more faster, and overall more efficient, Im pretty sure the Resistance has enough credits to spare to produce more Y-Wing bombers.
Koensayer produced the Y-Wing for the New Republic. The Galactic Concordance pretty much banned ordinance from being used on the Y-Wing, so it couldn't fulfill the role of a bomber.
@@Dark_Fusion19Good to know, but the Resistance is an unsanctioned paramilitary group working with deserters and stolen Republic nilitary equipment. It seems weird they follow the Galactic Concordance and not any other law that would prevent them from existing.
100% fatality rate for resistance bomber crews. Imagine if they just used Y-wings instead? Y-wings are way faster and more maneuverable than these things so I’m sure many more bombers and their crews would survive which would save the resistance lives AND money. But no Rian Johnson had to be a dipshit. Now that I think about it, couldn’t one of those bombers just go into hyperspace through the ship to destroy it?
Rian Johnson did not understand what George did when he used WW2 footage. Carpet bombers were not used in this kind of situation. That is why George desighned the Y Wing after Dive Bombers. Carpet Bombing is to destroy large areas, usually by flying faster, hegher of invisible. Those things are only fit to destroy unprotected, stationary targets. Why do the Resistance have those? Those would fit with war crimes against civilians. Orbital bombardment of civilians, maybe. Things the bad guys do.
Perfect example of how Rian Johnson failed to understand the universe he was tasked to make a movie about. That or simply chose to intentionally insult the fan base. Slow motion bomber attack, using a gravity bomb rack system...in space.
One of, if not THE, stupidest scenes in all of star wars. Like what the hell were they thinking? In a movie where they can float stuff with the force, THIS made less sense!
From what I could tell, it takes about 1:40 seconds to recharge their auto cannons, and assuming that it could destroy the heavily shielded Raddus in one salvo, then if you can protect this thing properly and keep it at the back of your fleet.......it definitely deserves the title of fleet killer.
@@NK-qn6pq I wouldn’t say it was poorly armored. Tbf do you see many other capital ships surviving a bombing run like that? And I believe it has over 10 shield generators so at least from enemy ship fire, sort of but certainly need to defend it well
@@kyloren114 except the gun turrets clearly are not armored or shielded in any way. If one X-wing can clear out ALL your defense cannons...your ship has a big problem.
@@NK-qn6pq The gun turrets were pretty weak, but because there were so many ties, the Resistance could barely move without casualty. Again, it may need help from other ships in the fleet to use it properly
Gravity exists in space. The ISS is weightless because it is in orbit (free fall balanced by momentum). Gravity doesn't just vanish once you escape the atmosphere. Gravity keeps the moon in orbit around earth and the earth in orbit around the sun.
The more mass an object has, the bigger is its gravitational pull. thats how the earth keeps the ISS and the moon close to itself. Seeing how every star wars character ever keeps walking and talking normally on their ships, I suppose they got something like a gravity generator or something.
Magnets, a motor pushing them down and them maintaining their momentum in space, the fact that space has been shown to pull stuff in previous movies (Ex. The bridge scene in Episode 3), gravity exerted by the mass of the ship below,, artificial gravity generators shown in pretty much every Star Wars ship, etc. Look, these bombers are idiotic, but if your problem with this scene is that you asked a question (which has answer but isn't important to understanding the movie), then you really need to reconsider your priorities.
I think we got used to "bombers" being A. fighters with bombs or B. Torpedo bombers. Yet this managed to make it like B-29, but about as armored as twine basket. I think Yamato 2199 showed how you can down a capital ship, albeit a make-shift carrier crewed by retirees and recruits.
As much as I hate this god awful film this one actually has a reasonable explanation in basic physics, because of the inertia of them falling from inside the ship once they leave the bay they will continue falling until another large enough force acts upon them to stop them, since there isn’t something like that around they just continue falling in the direction they started
The three bombers that blew up didn't have their bomb payloads explode at all judging by the small explosions. Because that last bomber showed us these were basically small nukes.
But there is gravity. See the interiors of the ships, see everyone staying firmly in place instead of floating around? Open your bastard eyes you inbred fuck.
You could argue the bombs are magnetized so it sorta makes sense but how did the remote drop onto the ground when there's no gravity? Wouldn't it just float around in space?
Why the fuck did she start kicking the ladder instead of getting up going up the ladder and grabbing the remote and the remote is not even close to the ladder
Kathleen Kennedy must be smoking when she wrote this awful scene to Rian Johnson. And of course everything went wrong to the sequel trilogy. Thank god Johnson made a comeback with Knives Out.
Y wings? Nah. B wings? Hell nah! Really slow moving and highly vulnerable bombers with a very light shielding and no armor whatsoever? HELL YEAH! REBELS!!!!1!!!!11
“The Last Jedi. I knew I wasn’t gonna like that movie in the first 5-10 minutes when all of a sudden they were dropping bombs in space. Dropping… bombs… in space!? Now if you’ve seen the movie Gravity or have taken a physics class, you know exactly what I’m talking about right now. And once that happened, the movie kind of just descended into stupidity the entire time.”
@zcorpalpha2462 As long as your corporate overlord gets its money, you can do whatever you want. Who cares about quality, just buy and consume, unlike these bigots.
If Leia has her way, the dreadnought would have chased after them....and then made short work of their entire fleet with those cannons. Poe made the right call. Those bombers were deathtraps anyways! Blown up now or blown up later.
I can forgive many, many scenes from the sequel trilogy - chalk them up to lack of lore knowledge, J.J. setting everyone up for failure, etc. but THIS? This is a first draft for sure. And why does Paige have no sense of urgency whatsoever? Her sister shoots first, asks questions later, but Paige looks around dumbly and hesitates the entire scene. Slow =/= suspenseful 101.
Here’s a question, how did the last bombers bomb control man die? Did he have a heart attack? They didn’t get hit at all during flight, there’s no breaches of the ships haul, so what happened?
@@Hammerfall541 lol you gotta be kidding right, or maybe you need to go to specsavers? The quality is rubbish, why would any sane person argue otherwise even if they did post it?
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"Bombers stay in tight formation."
*Instantly regrets that poor tactical decision*
It might have worked if the bombers had gun turrets that covered all the blind spots and not just 1 turret that never seemed to fire.
@The ghost 89 tell that to the Russian and Israeli troops and pilots who have kicked dome serious add.
@The ghost 89 dude you're the reason that feminazis are still around.
If only they were B17's..
Why would bombers that have maybe hundred or more bombs in them, stay in tight formation?! It's basically a suicide to do that, and worse than worst mistake. One blowing up will destroy all others too.
Y-wings were obviously too effective for the plotline to handle.
1:37 when you realize that your ship is a slow, poorly protected, bomb-ladden death trap.
TBH just pack the bombers with ordnance, extra armor, and expendable droid crews. Then send them on a collision course with the Dreadnought.
@@NK-qn6pqthat's what I was just at getting at in another post. This is a bomber! Give it some serious fire power. Guns everywhere! Top rated shielding. Heck these seem to be loosely designed after the old B-wing a, they should at least be that mobile.
Y-wings are faster and can disable a capital ships
@josesantiago5858 not that fast. But they are very effective fighters/bombers. But I'm not going to lie as effective as the Y-wings are, even they would have trouble against the dreadnought, Snoke's star destroyer, and the other star destroyers because their armor is so thick. Almost like beskar.
@@aaronburtram3175 Make them the B-17? This are a stupid ripoff of those. They lack the armor (B-17 could survive a little), have one gun that never fire and are even slower. This are for carpet bombing cities (Leia want to tell us something?), not taking out ships. Even that fails when the specs are that awful.
Did that wrecked tie fighter got an afterlife triple kill?
Correct.
Same thing that destroyed Executor, a broken fighter
@@a_balloon it was a A wing
Plus in every bomber there are 4 people
Martyrdom
with the capable technology in Star Wars, it's still unbelievable the Rebels would build something as dumb as these bombers.
Yeah, they should’ve used Y-wings instead
Yeah i feel like they should have built death star lazer b-wing from star wars rebels. Those ship will be much more efficient than those bombers
The bombers were designed for bombing imperial bases and strongholds durning the early years of the new republic, they re-purposed the ships to use as bombers as they didn't have access to y wings as they were incredibly hard to find by that point in time and the resistance hadn't been around long enough yet to ensemble much of a fleet yet, case in point they only had 3 ships and a couple squadrons of fighters. Given time they may have gotten something better, but in the time they had some old bunker busters were the best they could do. And too be fair the bombers almost got the job done with 1 casualty, but that tie wing really threw a wrench in their plans taking out 3 in a chain reaction explosion.
@@RezgamerLuc at some point it's worst than nothing becomes a thing
@@RezgamerLucTrash Disney writing!
this whole scene is just a giant middle finger to physics
Star Wars in general is just a giant middle finger to physics
@@alxyms2672 not as bad as this bullshit
Damn, B-17 flying fortresses have better survivability then those bombers.
THE TYE WING WAS A BETTER BOMBER THAN THESE PIECES OF JUNK!
actually the bombers are tough. it is just unlucky because one dead fighter had crashed into one of the bombers which had already loaded the bombs and then exploded, causing a domino like effect that killed all of the formation.
Made in China bombers
Such wasted money just put pew pew pew on the screens.... these movies could have been so much better... It's so sad
Fun fact, these bombers are called b-17sf. Freaking Ryan Johnson
So a wrecked tie fighter can take out three bombers with an afterlife collateral triple kill but an entire fleet can’t take out a single fucking bomber ?!
Poe gets the heat for getting everyone killed but surely not everyone turned off communications. "This is General Leia. Bombers, pull back." "Okay."
Wasnt it tallies fault cuz she had the bright idea to keep the bombers in a tight formation
Yeah I don't even know why they continued the attack they knew the bombers were slow
@@zoeservo5474 if you think about it if they didn't destroy that ship it would have destroyed them because even if they jumped into hyper space they could track them. Sorry for my bad English and spelling.
Soo wait trading a hand full of fighters and a half dozen bombers is a bad trade?.... That was one of the most efficient military trades ever.
@@spencerfellows4724 It was a great trade... if the forces were balanced.
Honestly it’s kind of miraculous that her bomber wasn’t destroyed when she fell.
No, it's just plot armor.
I hate it.
>Me before rewatching this scene
"Oh come on, heavy bombers makes sense to deal heavier ordinance than a y wing"
>Me rewatching this scene
"Who the hell designed these things? How is it a tie fighter can accidentally not only take out one but THREE at once?!"
Half a crashing TIE Fighter.
It can because that happened after that had armed their bombs, meaning each ship was basically a time bomb that could blow away many of its surroundings when destroyed mid-air.
You can see the actual bombs flying away into space without exploding with the first bomber losses, _before_ they were activated.
@@nouche I think he's talking about how it somehow managed to pinball itself and stay intact through *three* bombers.
@@bboi1489 : If you watch the scene, the TIE fighter pretty much kamikazed the 3 bombers (so it didn’t stay intact _and_ it also wasn’t intentional) and that _only_ happened because their bombs had been armed. You can see some get destroyed before and the bombs just sort of fly out without exploding.
I just think everyone’s spitting at these bombers but that’s not how you criticize a movie. Seriously, that’s basic design. If they wanted to, they could’ve made super speedy and effective bombers and what not, but that’s not what they wanted to do with this movie.
They intended it to be a lot slower and also underline how weak the Resistance is compared to the First Order.
“Bombs away”
Who is she talking to? The entire squadron is basically whipped out
I dunno, maybe the capital ship we see reacting seconds later?
You can still acknowledge it even if no one is alive to see it. Heck I would
The way she says it. Like you just lost a bunch of your squadron and were mere seconds away from being completely wiped out. She should sound more relieved than excited and giddy about it.
Lmao hahahahaha 🤣
Audience probably lol
I WOULD NOT WANT TO SERVE ON A RESISTANCE BOMBER! That's for sure.
Me neither
Same here.
#SuicideMission
i think all these bombardiers have massive gambling debt and/or crippling depression.
they want out anyway.
Service on a resistance bomber is short. Once
Lancasters would've done a better job than those glorified tinderboxes.
Y-wings!!!!!
@TheGarbageGang the B-17’s would have done a better job than the Resistance bombers.
@TheGarbageGang let's focus on Star Wars. Any Star Wars heavy bomber is better than this. As much as I hate saying this, the TIE Bomber would have done better.
@TheGarbageGang i'm fine with that. Think the German HE-111 could have done better than the Last Jedi odd bomber?
Submarines would do a better job
Unbelievable scene. As in, I literally could not believe such an event would ever happen in the Star Wars universe.
This scene is terrible and makes no sense
@@RumenAsenov2206 it’s call fantasy
Tell that to the 479👍 against 220👎
@@starwarsprequelsandsequels7582 so in fantasy universe people need to be brain dead? aight
Prequels haters told me the same thing about the prequels so thank you for the prequels bashing flashbacks
#weliveinarepeatedhistory
Ps: I have a idea of where you are politically lol
How was she breathing? The whole ship was open to space
Same way people in the hangar bays of star destroyer and the death star do. There is a force field containing the atmosphere in the area. Ships pass through it on hangar decks by transmitting some sort of signal that breaches the field. Same thing with the bombs. The artificial gravity in the ship causes them to fall, and they carry that momentum as they pass through the force field opening into space.
@@WatchThisA there's usually a visible force field.
THE FORCE
The Xenomorphian you stupid........
@@DerpaTure9503 those are always visible....
When your chips get stuck in the vending machine and you give it one last shove
The chip being the remote in this case
I felt more for these people in this scene than I did for the entire new main cast of characters.
I'd feel for anyone that would have to fly one of these things
Reminds me of nam
@TheGarbageGang it absolutely did. tons of B52 carpet bombing
@The Xenomorphian great point, these bombers are painfully and unrealistically slow. Way better to have more bombers with less payload to improve speed if that was the issue. But in space......that shouldn't matter.
Sad thing is that the f4 phantom of Vietnam had a larger payload than the b-17 of ww2 while having half the engines and a fifth of the crew.
Everybody is complaining about the ridiculous bombers in this scene but....what about Paige catching the remote after literally watching it fly past the platform she was laying on? How quick is she?
You assuming it's normal earth gravity. This is space, so how they propel the bombs and why things fall is very different. Could be very slow
When obi wan fights grievous he falls off the ledge and when he grabs it just in time it seems like he would have already fallen so not every scene is perfect for timing and it doesnt really matter
@@meowdonkey5811 That was clearly a mistake. I can't see how nowadays smth like that with *Disney* can be made. And, by the looks of it, she *turned over* after getting knocked out and caught it. Like, wtf?
Like this pretty much.
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Yes but why did it fall when they are in fucking space
Rebel starfighter: destroys half of a tie fighter
The damaged starfighter: makes a kamikaze attack that destroys not 1, not 2, but 3 of the Resistance heavy bomber
Rebel starfighter pilot: *surprised Pikachu face*
1:30
Tie fighter: “From the grave, double kill, triple kill, overkill, killtacular.”
You forgot the most important medal of all: "Unfriggenbelievable!"
1:43 "40 seconds until full charge" - 3:28 the ship still hasn't fired
TheGarbageGang Oh, I meant that the dreadnaught hadn’t fired its cannons. It’s just a nitpick that they said 40 seconds until the cannons are ready, but a full minute later they still aren’t ready..
Come on, it’s a movie, probably most of the sequences took place at the same time, just showing us various different points of view
Because scenes can happen concurrently?
When me and the bois are approaching our crushes “ bomber keep that tight formation “
I like how the bomber dies in the same explosion that it created.
So Trash 🤣🤣
@@joshuatso4581aye in Empire Strikes Back when they drop bombs on the asteroid in space as well
@@joshuatso4581 they’re magnetic dipshit
3:49 awaiting death like a true military officer.
Nah, he's just a fashy prick. Fuck him. Fuck you too while we're at it.
Tamlinearthly
We found the last jedi fan everybody.
@@Tamlinearthly OMG You are such a dick. Go fuck yourself. Noone wants you there.
Gotta love how some of the crew behind him are just walking around like nothing happened.
Tamlinearthly Going through An Edgy Phase i see
the wrong sister died.
So true. The best always die first.
Denethor.
@L Beckett Rose was such a waste of time. They should've kept her in that coma for the rest of the trilogy.
Like Han Solo in the force awakens
Agreed. At least this one was hot.
They say the films are for 12 year olds..,then they prove it.
What the fuck are you talking about. Toy story is a film
@@machogan1340 george lucas addressed that he believed the original star wars would be kids movies.
It is good to have high expectations, but sometimes its good to not get overconfident with them.
I agree
Scene up to this day still doesn't make sense. Why would they send an obviously anti-installation vessel on a ship killing mission when the Y-Wings and B-Wings are more suited. It's like having a B-29 take on carriers in the Battle of Midway.
True. I’d also like to point out that similar heavy bombers, the B-17 Flying Fortresses, actually were used against enemy carriers during the battle, but with little effect as their bombs rarely made it to target. (The flying fortresses launched from the islands base btw). Dive and torpedo bombers were better suited for the job
This is the same type of energy as spiderman walking through disaster while chaos pursues around him
Its almost as if those bombers are more suited for high level planetary bombing, say when theres a structure that needs to be destroyed in a do or die situation and all youre using are Xwing torpedoes, like 20 minutes before this in the last movie.
HOLY CRAP YOUR RIGHT! 🤯
Lets be honest, Poe did the right thing. The entire bomber squad would've been lost even if they hadn't destroyed the dreadknought.
Yeah, if they didn’t destroy the battleship it would’ve destroyed the rebel cruiser with that underside cannon
@@senatorluxbonteri6065 I can’t be fucked remembering why they couldn’t jump to hyper space but they could have I’m pretty sure. And stationary ship yards at the pace they move man you have some extra chromosomes if you think they’d make it past a tin of spaghetti hoops let alone a fortified base stationary or not.
The whole scene is retarded. The fact they were evacuating, have a bomber group ready means they knew the First Order will come for them. So where are the preparations for that eventuality? Hell, in Empire Strike Back, the Rebels have a huge ass ion cannon to take out Star Destroyers and an area shield to protect the ion cannon that forced Darth Vader to order a ground assault to take it out
Had Poe decided to listen to Leia and have all jump ship without destroying the dreadnought, the first order ships would have tracked them through light speed and then the dreadnought would have shot the rebel cruiser and it's support cruisers, killing all aboard.
I can't look at this scene without laughing anymore.
Because, I heard a rumor. The novelization of this movie basically said that the bombers were Holdo's ships, and pretty much the entire attack run was her idea.
That explains SO much about this scene.
That soooo makes sense since she can’t come up with a good plan anyway and costed the resistance close to 90% casualties.
The worst bombers ever
Kyle the D2 Guardian oh really only 1 bomber can destroy 1 destroyer/dreadnought DO YOU HAVE BRAIN???
Resistance bomber not worst !
Its bulky slow and despite having multiple as turrets were RIPPED to shreds, Y-wings would've done the job as their faster, more capable bombers
@@ratchaneetechamahalap5897 first this doenst make any sense
The destroyer should have its shields on
Second, if the bomb do this just make a missile from it instead of this giant slow and weak target, seriously a simple TIE crash just destroyed 3 of them
@@ratchaneetechamahalap5897
Practically only one bomber made it, and that's with only
( put thing ship in battle of endor, beginning of revenge of the sith battle over coruscant these thing wouldn't even have left the hangar)
3:26 what a cringey delivery of that line.
Travis McCutchan
At least, she died though. Yet, it still cringey to think about.
@@DSMCasual ngl you got a shit taste in music
Diego Franco sorry? Don't know what u mean?
That whole shot was cringey. Very disney esque
Did star wars never have cheesey humor prior to the last Jedi
So in the past trilogy and video games the bombers where the Y-wings and they weren’t slow at all so is star wars going backwards in technology? Or wtf did Johnson did some research at all ?
I can only rationalize this has the Resistance, with no aid from the New Republic, could only field these terrible bombers. Rag tag like the rebellion decades before them.
Rian Johnson did do his research. He learned how George Lucas was inspired by WWII combat and designed his ships and fighters based on historical battles... which is why the Ships use broadside weapons for most of their fighting, and the fighters are armed with lasers and torpedoes... some are even armed with missiles.
It's just unfortunate that Rian Johnson didn't adapt that knowledge to the in-universe lore (had to look down the bomb bay to see if they were over the target when targeting computers were used in Episode IV, only capable of doing carpet bombing runs, and all bombs are armed and used or none of them are armed and used... all or nothing attacks)... and Supreme Leader Kathleen Kennedy didn't see the problem with the Star Wars equivalent of using B-17 bombers escorted by F-18s to take out the USS Gerald R. Ford. Sure, with the proper munitions, the B-17s could do the job... but surviving long enough to drop their load is a bit harder to do, right?
There are many problems in that scene. The Resistance has a battlecruiser, two frigates, a corvette, 8 bombers (wiki says there were 12), and a single mixed A-Wing/X-wing squadron.
If the resistance is relying on donations... then how the fuck can they afford to maintain a battlecruiser when they can't even afford fighters! They used outdated fighters, which I estimate to be around 120k credits each... so for nearly 3m credits (includes 12 fighters and spare parts) they fielded a single squadron. The frigates and corvettes are both in the multi-million credit range... the Raddus is in the multi-billion credit range... and they were too poor to buy hyper fuel... they were too poor to get more fighter squadrons...
Rian Johnson has no clue how to write military Space Operas... he is more ignorant of tactics and strategy than George Lucas was when he first made Star Wars back in the 1970s.
Each ship was commanded by a Vice Admiral or Admiral Akbar (talk about rank inflation! No wonder everyone disliked Poe... he was beneath them). Holdo told everyone that there were only 400 people remaining on those three ships (one Cargo Frigate was destroyed at the start of the chase and it had a crew of 23 anyway)... yet the battlecruiser requires a minimum of 1,000 people to be combat capable... why the fuck is the Resistance fighting with ships it can't even use? Wouldn't it be better if they donated the Raddus for more Frigates, Destroyers, and Corvettes along with several dozen fighter squadrons... and then take on the First Order? That fleet mix would be excellent for hit and hype raids that the Rebel Alliance was famous for... and in the meantime, that would buy time for the non-existent Republic Navy to start taking on the First Order.
Note: I said non-existent navy because once Not-Coruscant was destroyed the surviving "senators" told all the remaining Republic Navy officers to bring their ships to their worlds to protect them... undoubtedly exposing critical systems to the First Order... and they only care about defending their system and not defeating the First Order... effectively the stupid senators and the incompetent admirals completed the destruction of the Republic.
Good Job Supreme Leader Kathleen Kennedy for going on a Death Stick Trip and taking a beloved Franchise with you!
@@aralornwolf3140 Indeed. There's a difference between "inspired by" and "direct copy paste." Sadly, this nuance is lost on some...
@Carlie Mckenna ,
In multiple interviews with RJ he talked about his inspiration of the Bombers... so he was intelligent enough to use google...
The difference is with this and previous space battles it that you didn't have to buy disney's visual dictionary to have a scene make sense. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy must wear their stomachs as hats because that's how far their skulls are.
Just like in war thunder
But with the difference is nobody protects you
A snail can move faster than that
But a snail can't destroy a Mandator IV dreadnought
@@starwarsnerd47484 But a y-wings can
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Yes but you need many Y-Wings, but only 1 Mg-100 StarFortress 17 Bomber
@@starwarsnerd47484 Anything is better than those slow, big and easy targets.
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Yep definite Yes
Lulz ‘fighters protect the bombers’
How????? 🤣🤣
Exactly my thought, the fighters were flying too close to the bombers. The resistance starfighters should have been above the bombers or at least out in front of them.
Formation seems kind of odd. Fighters usually in front, behind or surrounding bombers to make a path or protect bombers. Also they would intercept enemy fighters prior to enemy reaching the bombers. When there was a hull breach why does the remote fall towards her instead of being sucked out into space. Why does a bomber need a remote control for the bay doors. Whatever technology they are using for the artificial gravity, they need to apply it to the rest of the systems because it never fails regardless the damage to the ship.
These bombers should've been used in destroying Starkilller Base instead..
They’re able to travel at light speed, but not able to make explosives that don’t get set off by external impact. Becauseeee plot…
0:31 This man, Jamie Christopher, passed away recently at 52. RIP
*29 August, 2023
So many problems I have with this one scene alone. I know Star Wars isn't normally meant to be dissected for scientific backing, but this scene is so ridiculous it ruins it. 1) why would you fly in such a tight formation? 2) why wouldn't you just hyperspace to the coordinates over the ship? Doubtful they fit on the hangar of the ship so they must have come from another base. 3) why would you fly so low to the ship where the blast would obviously affect you? 4) why is Poe talking to a ball gunner and not a bombardier or pilot? 5) how is Poe talking to her when she took her helmet off where her coms would be? 6) why is there a remote separate from the ship? 7) if the remote was clearly past the bay doors, how did she catch it and roll over at the same time? 8) why does disney rely so heavily on "everything comes down to the one last thing that's left" scenario? 9) why wouldn't Leia not want to destroy a dreadnought? They're about to destroy your fleet, you killed thousands of theirs, and casualties happen in war. I know disney's going for drama but it's just bad storytelling at this point.
You wrote an essay over something that doesn’t really matter L
@@Da_Homie12 these things actually matter, they should be omitted, because they made the movie that is already dumb to look even dumber
1 - you wouldn't, 2 - this whole movies plot should have used hyperspace and changed the plot, 3 - you wouldn't 4 - Drama 5 - space magic? 6 - exactly, it's just.. just a stupid plot device, why would you it can be dropped as they showed. 7 - wasn't her back done.. she should be paralysed 8 - Lord of the rings did it as well, apparently audiences are stupid and need really really fake suspense. 9 - exactly. 10 - Why wouldn't they use Y or B wings instead, notice our militaries don't use dead drop bombs, because they rely on being over the target rather than just pointing and firing. It's just sooo dumb.
This is an example of a director wanting a wishlist scene regardless of whether or not it makes sense.
I hear a Subaru in the background at 2:25
Recording method combined with a noisy neighbourhood did that.
thanks for uploading this scene. I hate it so now that you uploaded this you are allowing us to roast the living hell out of that scene. Thank you!
Your welcome.
The worst sentence in all the Star Wars universe: "Bombers, keep that tight formation."
Actually, worst line in Star Wars universe and the worst line ever spoken overall is this: "Let the past die, kill it if you have to "
"I've won........... but at what cost"
The good news.... Direct hit! Dreadnought down 😀
The bad news.... All our bombers are toast 😭
The shocking lack of speed armor maneuverability was really the death of these bombers
I do appreciate that while Leia doesn't stop the crew from celebrating a much-needed morale boosting victory, we see that she looks at the screen listing downed ships and is very aware of the cost in human lives it took to achieve this win.
How did the technology through star wars get worst? I could jog faster then those bombers top speed
FreezingTNT dude, both of the cruisers can go faster than the bombers
FreezingTNT they can jump light speed which is definitely faster than the bombers
FreezingTNT those cruisers base speed as are faster than the bombers.
@@DerpaTure9503 there is no such rule, at most they take more energy to accelerate but there is no reason why they should be slower. In any case, the physics of star wars space sense is extremely wonky it's not new, they could have just as easily propulsed the bombs toward the star destroyer, no need for stupid bombers in thos situation.
So your telling me, if the resistance was willing to keep X-Wings, A-Wings, and a few Mon Calamari cruise ships, why tf did they not keep the Y-Wing *Bomber,?* It’s more maneuverable, it’s way more faster, and overall more efficient, Im pretty sure the Resistance has enough credits to spare to produce more Y-Wing bombers.
Koensayer produced the Y-Wing for the New Republic. The Galactic Concordance pretty much banned ordinance from being used on the Y-Wing, so it couldn't fulfill the role of a bomber.
@@Dark_Fusion19 well that’s just bullshit justification, thank you disney
@@literallytired5469 there are a few Y-wing at episode 9
@@Dark_Fusion19Good to know, but the Resistance is an unsanctioned paramilitary group working with deserters and stolen Republic nilitary equipment. It seems weird they follow the Galactic Concordance and not any other law that would prevent them from existing.
100% fatality rate for resistance bomber crews. Imagine if they just used Y-wings instead? Y-wings are way faster and more maneuverable than these things so I’m sure many more bombers and their crews would survive which would save the resistance lives AND money. But no Rian Johnson had to be a dipshit. Now that I think about it, couldn’t one of those bombers just go into hyperspace through the ship to destroy it?
because the y wing can only carry a few bombs and it has to be a bombing run
@@oom.144k Actually only 3 Y wings can disable an entire Star Destroyer.
@@eragonbromsson1122 Vader destroyed all the y wings during the Trench run, only 1 y wing survived
@@oom.144k And if the TLJ bombers were there instead, they wouldn't last 1 second.
Rian Johnson did not understand what George did when he used WW2 footage. Carpet bombers were not used in this kind of situation. That is why George desighned the Y Wing after Dive Bombers. Carpet Bombing is to destroy large areas, usually by flying faster, hegher of invisible. Those things are only fit to destroy unprotected, stationary targets. Why do the Resistance have those? Those would fit with war crimes against civilians. Orbital bombardment of civilians, maybe. Things the bad guys do.
I love how the “Fleet Killer” couldn’t destroy one X-Wing.
Also, you need a 1980s garage door opener to drop bombs……in space.
Perfect example of how Rian Johnson failed to understand the universe he was tasked to make a movie about. That or simply chose to intentionally insult the fan base. Slow motion bomber attack, using a gravity bomb rack system...in space.
I hate when we get to see characters that seem pretty interesting and admirable, like Paige, and then they're immediately killed....
One of, if not THE, stupidest scenes in all of star wars. Like what the hell were they thinking? In a movie where they can float stuff with the force, THIS made less sense!
From what I could tell, it takes about 1:40 seconds to recharge their auto cannons, and assuming that it could destroy the heavily shielded Raddus in one salvo, then if you can protect this thing properly and keep it at the back of your fleet.......it definitely deserves the title of fleet killer.
Except it's poorly armored and seems to lack shields. And it's so big...it's going to get hit. A lot.
@@NK-qn6pq I wouldn’t say it was poorly armored. Tbf do you see many other capital ships surviving a bombing run like that? And I believe it has over 10 shield generators so at least from enemy ship fire, sort of but certainly need to defend it well
@@kyloren114 except the gun turrets clearly are not armored or shielded in any way. If one X-wing can clear out ALL your defense cannons...your ship has a big problem.
@@NK-qn6pq The gun turrets were pretty weak, but because there were so many ties, the Resistance could barely move without casualty. Again, it may need help from other ships in the fleet to use it properly
What a wonderful and unintentionally funny clip.
@@DerpaTure9503 Please don't swear. It's neither clever or funny
Carrie fisher looked like she didn’t even wanna be there lol I don’t blame her
i left the theater after this scene and washed my hands from the franchise
They really fucking targeted the planet before the cruiser lmao
How could ya miss one, small, slow moving object. Ya ha Juan job, and ya failed.
one word: stormtroopers!
You would think it would be easy to get at least one bomber to survive
That dead TIE pilot knew kamikaze tactics for sure
They're basically shooting grenades from slingshots
Poe's following his order to destroy that Star Dreadnought before they'll annihilate the Resistance fleet, other's no other choice.
How are the bombs falling if they're in space?
Gravity exists in space. The ISS is weightless because it is in orbit (free fall balanced by momentum). Gravity doesn't just vanish once you escape the atmosphere. Gravity keeps the moon in orbit around earth and the earth in orbit around the sun.
@@triprichert423 wouldn’t fall that fats though
The more mass an object has, the bigger is its gravitational pull. thats how the earth keeps the ISS and the moon close to itself. Seeing how every star wars character ever keeps walking and talking normally on their ships, I suppose they got something like a gravity generator or something.
The ships have gravity. They start falling while in the ship and the momentum keeps it going when they are in space.
Magnets, a motor pushing them down and them maintaining their momentum in space, the fact that space has been shown to pull stuff in previous movies (Ex. The bridge scene in Episode 3), gravity exerted by the mass of the ship below,, artificial gravity generators shown in pretty much every Star Wars ship, etc.
Look, these bombers are idiotic, but if your problem with this scene is that you asked a question (which has answer but isn't important to understanding the movie), then you really need to reconsider your priorities.
This entire space battle just made no sense. Then again, the movie made no sense so its consistent.
A crashing TIE Fighter takes out 3 frigates. Fuck me drunk, what a drumming!
I think we got used to "bombers" being A. fighters with bombs or B. Torpedo bombers.
Yet this managed to make it like B-29, but about as armored as twine basket.
I think Yamato 2199 showed how you can down a capital ship, albeit a make-shift carrier crewed by retirees and recruits.
Upvoting this because of the truth to it.
Meanwhile Y wings and an escort of a few X wings could have bombed that weak spot with minimal casualties.
3:18 "Battle of the Heroes"?
How can the bombs even fall, it's in space the bombs would remain floating until pushed
Star Wars is a fantasy space opera. They’ve never been too concerned with physics
As much as I hate this god awful film this one actually has a reasonable explanation in basic physics, because of the inertia of them falling from inside the ship once they leave the bay they will continue falling until another large enough force acts upon them to stop them, since there isn’t something like that around they just continue falling in the direction they started
Something something magnets
gravity bombs in space 😂😂😂®️
It was magnetic
Every single ship in Star Wars history has had gravity in space.
This isn’t Star Wars. It’s fake Star Wars.
T-wing bomber:
- nice design
- shit sublight performance
The three bombers that blew up didn't have their bomb payloads explode at all judging by the small explosions. Because that last bomber showed us these were basically small nukes.
ah yes the classic bombs falling down even though there is no gravity
Those bombs are magnetic
@@bananatank9048 they would still stick on their own ship
But there is gravity. See the interiors of the ships, see everyone staying firmly in place instead of floating around? Open your bastard eyes you inbred fuck.
@@Charoi64: Yeah, and every Star Wars ship bigger than the Millennium Falcon has a wide-open hangar bay that ships fly right in and out of from space.
Tamlinearthly just because you like this movie doesn’t mean your right and has the right to call people the thing you’re being currently
Why aren’t the escorts covering the dreadnought?
Awesome beginning scene of a movie.
Breath in outer space no problem...
2:30 this girl be breathing in space
Ha wtf
Where did you all learn tactics?
When u realize, the baydoors magically opened.
You could argue the bombs are magnetized so it sorta makes sense but how did the remote drop onto the ground when there's no gravity? Wouldn't it just float around in space?
This was obviously Leia’s plan
Why the fuck did she start kicking the ladder instead of getting up going up the ladder and grabbing the remote and the remote is not even close to the ladder
Kathleen Kennedy must be smoking when she wrote this awful scene to Rian Johnson. And of course everything went wrong to the sequel trilogy. Thank god Johnson made a comeback with Knives Out.
that's why she was so full of furies and transformed to the gangster Ms Lin 😅😅
Y wings? Nah.
B wings? Hell nah!
Really slow moving and highly vulnerable bombers with a very light shielding and no armor whatsoever? HELL YEAH! REBELS!!!!1!!!!11
What dreadnoght has a weakspot like the Mandator IV's?
They shouldve used k wings
@@DerpaTure9503 They could easily make them re exist
@@DerpaTure9503 I agree but its a way better design than this garbage
@@DerpaTure9503
It feels a whole like star wars than this crap, not mention it would function way better
“The Last Jedi. I knew I wasn’t gonna like that movie in the first 5-10 minutes when all of a sudden they were dropping bombs in space. Dropping… bombs… in space!? Now if you’ve seen the movie Gravity or have taken a physics class, you know exactly what I’m talking about right now. And once that happened, the movie kind of just descended into stupidity the entire time.”
Maybe just enjoy a film 🎞 & don’t think 💭 so much & enjoy life like it’s 1977 🤣🥃
@@zcorpalpha2462 th-cam.com/video/c6RGyHa4K2k/w-d-xo.html
@@zcorpalpha2462 It's damn near impossible to enjoy a movie this terrible
@zcorpalpha2462 As long as your corporate overlord gets its money, you can do whatever you want.
Who cares about quality, just buy and consume, unlike these bigots.
Why does this exist!? They would have had the goddamn K-Wing at this point!
If Leia has her way, the dreadnought would have chased after them....and then made short work of their entire fleet with those cannons.
Poe made the right call. Those bombers were deathtraps anyways! Blown up now or blown up later.
I can forgive many, many scenes from the sequel trilogy - chalk them up to lack of lore knowledge, J.J. setting everyone up for failure, etc. but THIS? This is a first draft for sure. And why does Paige have no sense of urgency whatsoever? Her sister shoots first, asks questions later, but Paige looks around dumbly and hesitates the entire scene. Slow =/= suspenseful 101.
Here’s a question, how did the last bombers bomb control man die? Did he have a heart attack? They didn’t get hit at all during flight, there’s no breaches of the ships haul, so what happened?
How did the bombs fell into that space ship if there is no gravity in the space?
The bomber had gravity.
Magnetic
I haven't seen footage this low quality since I was last in a bar in Thailand, clearly recorded on a crappy 80's handy cam lol
Incorrect.
@@Hammerfall541 So you mean you have seen worse? Or you think it's good quality?
@@davidlittle7418 I have seen better and worse quality videos. Thank you for your comments have a nice day.
@@Hammerfall541 lol you gotta be kidding right, or maybe you need to go to specsavers? The quality is rubbish, why would any sane person argue otherwise even if they did post it?
@@davidlittle7418Your comments have been noted.
Likely answer: Disney probably thought they were too George Lucas.